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On February 26 2014 13:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 13:25 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 13:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 13:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 13:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
I see absolutely no reason why he should be assuming that suki's posting is either coming from a scummy place or a bad towny place at all, and to me that shows a scum mindset of setting the stage of placing her in a bad light/misrepresenting what she does. He gives her no options that make her look good-towny. Scum agenda, very clearly.
Well he has commented on this and explained his thought process which reads very clear to me. Yet you have nothing to say about the explanation but the original action instead? I literally respond to his post here. On February 26 2014 12:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh and by martyr-y post I meant gumshoe's, if that wasn't clear. The over-defensive 'woe is me I'ma get mislynched' I find is usually more likely to come from town (or scum jaybrundage), but yeah, gonna go read a scumgame. On February 26 2014 12:00 gumshoe wrote:
As for accusations regarding meta, my post on Suki talked about how I felt the post wasn't made a long time in Advance ( because it was careless) but felt crafted, she had to have thought about the Harry potter thing at least , it's a somewhat complicated thought, not really a spur of the moment one . I then supplemented the read with meta.
Same with toad, his serius change in tone felt abrupt, it felt odd, especially after a very serious scum game, so I tried to think of a motivation for it. I always combine and justify my reads with a combination of substance and meta, the substance provides actus reus , the meta providing men's reus. I fail to see your issue, what's more in past games we've played, you were aware of my lurker meta yet never treated me as hostilely as this. Have I pissed you off somehow? Because you came out of the gates swinging at me ( a target so easy that if I'm not being attacked I'm probably scum) and you haven't stopped, using every bit I post to reinforce your baseless confirmation bias. Whoa, this shoe has claws. Where do you get confirmation bias from anything I've said? And my 'lurker attack' of you has nothing to do with me coming up with a scumread on you at first that is now threatening to devolve. Please stop talking about how easy of a mislynch you are, because you're just going to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy. And Rayn, as I said before, you don't have marv to back you up here with baseless shit so you're gonna have to try harder than that if you want me to swing this time around. His response isn't good enough for me on its own, especially because it doesn't address the problem I have with that post of his to begin with. Saying a post is 'crafted' on its own is silly; what would it being a forethought have to say about suki's alignment to begin with, and even then every post is 'crafted' to some degree. I also mention multiple times that I don't appreciate his use of meta here; specifically how he bases his reads heavily on mindset that he believes people should have 'coming off of their last game.' Your vote can stay on me for all I care Rayn, but my vote stays on gumshoe until I feel better about him. Crafted( very deliberate purposeful game call back) but sloppy(easily called out by Mocsta) made me think it was planned in a quick span of time, a mafia role pm would be ample motivation for production of such a rough intro post. The arguments not bad, just not necessarily right, but it is there / : also as for the two options I shoe horned her in, you imply both are bad and serve as a trap, they dont, theres no motivation for trapping her into an answer if those answers arent scummy. I picked those two because they seemed most likely and would provide more discussion than "I'm just having fun". There is, as I said earlier, discrediting a townie can often be the first step towards a mislynch. Same question I asked to Rayn though---do you think her refusal to outright address you properly and provide the 'more discussion' you wanted is scummy?
It's easy to feel threatened as town, from her perspective she might have felt the only thing we would garner out of the conversation was a mislynch. Just as easily she could have been scum dodging. Also have you also considered that she was having the same argument with Moc, and didn't feel like having the same conversation twice?
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On February 26 2014 13:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe if suki had said she was a) nervous or b) baiting how would that have made her mafia?
It wouldn't, it would just get her to talk, which is something that asking "hey suki you maf?" would not acomplish. People on tl mafia always go ham with thier cases, I bilieve there is a middle route, that works partly because mafia are more likely to adress a non threatening case that most greens ,secure in their townieness, would choose not to.
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On February 26 2014 13:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:46 TheChyz wrote:To me it seems more like JJD has only tunneled on Mocsta for a read that mocsta made on suki. Apart from that he has done nothing really after that. On February 26 2014 11:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:
So...
in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy.
in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie.
in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.
Congratz JJD.
Lol, I thought rayn was the only person I always read backwards. But actually, I'm starting to come around on you being town because I feel like gumshoe is using you to try and get suki lynched. Like I think u've been acting kinda scummy mostly because of ur suki read. But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case. Also in bold, I have never as town thought "does calling you something make me look scummy". It's only something scum usually worries about. I dont understand what you're getting at here. How do you scumhunt if you don't look for scummy things that people say?
Jar Jar where do you think Geript's case on you is coming from? Overall what do you think of him.
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On February 26 2014 13:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 13:39 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 13:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe if suki had said she was a) nervous or b) baiting how would that have made her mafia? It wouldn't, it would just get her to talk, which is something that asking "hey suki you maf?" would not acomplish. People on tl mafia always go ham with thier cases, I bilieve there is a middle route, that works partly because mafia are more likely to adress a non threatening case that most greens ,secure in their townieness, would choose not to. But I thought it wasn't a 'trap?'
The options arent traps, theyre just discussion, there is no trap, only the generation of contribution.
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On February 26 2014 13:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay so gumshoe: - First you say "suki is either mafia or A or B"
- Then you say "i wanted to ask about A or B because they would be scummy answers and there is no reason to ask about townie answers"
- Now you say "actually answering A or B would not make her scum at all"
Now how does any of this make any sense?
1: in that first post, I asked her to respond, the a or b were just options I wanted to see her react to. You make it sound like I was just stating something, whereas the point was always to gleam info from her, otherwise I wouldnt have asked her which option.
2: When did I say they would be scummy answers 0_0.
3: Again never said that, methinks your misunderstanding me, point is this. I found something wierd, I asked myself what motivations were available for wierd behaviur, and wanted to hear how she reacted, at the time perfectly willing to consider her scum or town based off the merit of her answers and continued contribution. End of story. I you got jangled in my words, I apologize / :. Thats kinda what happens when you have to explain something over and over again.
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On February 26 2014 13:48 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 13:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No fuck.. Damn your posts are hard to read gumshoe. Wait a sec, i gotta read all of this crap again. This is how I feel trying to delve into Geript's thought process.
I can understand what Geript is saying, the problem is when you get to the core of it, hes really not saying much ) :
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On February 26 2014 13:52 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 13:51 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 13:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 13:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No fuck.. Damn your posts are hard to read gumshoe. Wait a sec, i gotta read all of this crap again. This is how I feel trying to delve into Geript's thought process. I can understand what Geript is saying, the problem is when you get to the core of it, hes really not saying much ) : Explain
The miller thing is a silly question. But super fast townread for bullshazazzle reasons. It's not a weird enough reason to call you town to make the observation likely come from town. Equally it's not obvious enough to be an alright soft read. It's just a completely random townread for no reason. That's super scummy.
Long tangent under the assumption that Toad actually thinks Rayn is town for no reason 0_0 it's early game trolling man, what the hell are you taking it at face value for.
I honestly haven't looked seriously at either of you. One of his posts threw me off a bit. Why do you care about my read on you?
What kind of a turnaround is this? Townies look for other townies reactions to major events, dont see why you question her for it.
A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind.
Same crap about Toad 'buddying' rayn but now 4 lines longer.
It's like some of the same reasoning for why I'm still scum on Toad (regarding the JJD comment). Like, Toad hasn't ever said that his townread on you then was baiting and I don't believe his was counter-trolly. So coming from that perspective it feels really odd that his defense of why I'm red on Toad is that post hoc townread on you is because of how you didn't respond to it. I mean your townread on him initially seemed super trolly so no scum would take that seriously for an reason. But the counter townread makes complete sense as scum especially on Rayn who's one of the "names" in this game. Like, apparently it looks like I ignored the millers thing because well, not important; I do understand the miller read which makes me feel better about toad. It's just how it's panning out doesn't feel like town on town to me.
2 A random unsubstantiated townread isn't super scummy automatically. Like, it's how you get there. For town there's a clear thought process no matter how good or bad. Rayn's good enough scum that he could 'fish back' as either alignment. Like it's a really simple thing for him to flat out say, "the miller fish response" for the townread thing and it's something really straight forward and I get. That type of response normally is pretty indicative of town, but how he responded initially had absolutely nothing to do with the miller thing. More importantly, the miller thing is only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn and not for Toad. The instatownread thing makes me feel even less confident about him. Like I don't get why he couldn't have explained the miller thing initially.
3 How people play scum is subjective. I don't think that everyone goes for the blendy-long-game type.
MORE OF THE SAME THING, how much effort are you going to sink into a conversation that means virtually nothing?
Almost all of your posting concerns this one exchange, that realistically gleans nada regarding alignment. Yet at a glance, your filter looks packed and well reasoned, while in reality it is the opposite.
Whats your read on Jar?
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On February 26 2014 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay let's go from the beginning. gumshoe, when you made this post: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? ..did you think suki is scummy or not?
I thought she was the scummiest person in thread at the time, which is not saying much. I dont put much stock in a conclusion I come to not an hour into the game, but the read itself was useful for pressure, so I made the post with the aim of hearing more out of her. As the game went on though, I got distracted and in my absence she deflected, then left.
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On February 26 2014 14:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:04 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay let's go from the beginning. gumshoe, when you made this post: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? ..did you think suki is scummy or not? I thought she was the scummiest person in thread at the time, which is not saying much. I dont put much stock in a conclusion I come to not an hour into the game, but the read itself was useful for pressure, so I made the post with the aim of hearing more out of her. As the game went on though, I got distracted and in my absence she deflected, then left. Well just a yes or no would do. No need to over-explain anything. Okay, so you thought she was the scummiest person in thread. Now your final line, what was it supoosed to achieve? What happens if suki answers (a)? What happens if suki answers (b)? What happens if she answers something else? In any situation, what does that make her? In other words, why did you ask those particular questions and what would you expect a townie/scum to answer (like, that's how you are supposed to scumhunt)?
I did not expect any particular answer, I played instinctually, in the moment I wanted to hear more out of her, so I crafted questions, I did not especially consider what her answers might be, or what they would mean before hand.
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On February 26 2014 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:10 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 14:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 14:04 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay let's go from the beginning. gumshoe, when you made this post: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? ..did you think suki is scummy or not? I thought she was the scummiest person in thread at the time, which is not saying much. I dont put much stock in a conclusion I come to not an hour into the game, but the read itself was useful for pressure, so I made the post with the aim of hearing more out of her. As the game went on though, I got distracted and in my absence she deflected, then left. Well just a yes or no would do. No need to over-explain anything. Okay, so you thought she was the scummiest person in thread. Now your final line, what was it supoosed to achieve? What happens if suki answers (a)? What happens if suki answers (b)? What happens if she answers something else? In any situation, what does that make her? In other words, why did you ask those particular questions and what would you expect a townie/scum to answer (like, that's how you are supposed to scumhunt)? I did not expect any particular answer, I played instinctually, in the moment I wanted to hear more out of her, so I crafted questions, I did not especially consider what her answers might be, or what they would mean before hand. Okay two questions: 1) Why do you ask questions that have no purpose behind them? Townies do things for a reason, usually because they try to ask stuff that makes people reveal their alignment. What's your reason? 2) Where does suki's actual answer put her and why?
1) I am reactive, not proactive, at points in the game I run through filters and find scummy things and build cases around them. Traps, well pointed questions, pressure, is not my forte, when I ask questions, my only goal is to create content, so long as I can get people talking I feel that thier alignment will reveal itself overtime regardless of the discussion itself. This is how I've always played, an answer to a question for me is not a fork in the river, but rather a random water toy sunk to the bottom of a wave pool.
2) She chose not to answer, which puts her at null. As the games goes on, I will probally look back at her reactions and try and put two and two together. At the moment shes not here, so not much to go on.
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On February 26 2014 14:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:19 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 14:10 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 14:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 14:04 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 13:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:Okay let's go from the beginning. gumshoe, when you made this post: + Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? ..did you think suki is scummy or not? I thought she was the scummiest person in thread at the time, which is not saying much. I dont put much stock in a conclusion I come to not an hour into the game, but the read itself was useful for pressure, so I made the post with the aim of hearing more out of her. As the game went on though, I got distracted and in my absence she deflected, then left. Well just a yes or no would do. No need to over-explain anything. Okay, so you thought she was the scummiest person in thread. Now your final line, what was it supoosed to achieve? What happens if suki answers (a)? What happens if suki answers (b)? What happens if she answers something else? In any situation, what does that make her? In other words, why did you ask those particular questions and what would you expect a townie/scum to answer (like, that's how you are supposed to scumhunt)? I did not expect any particular answer, I played instinctually, in the moment I wanted to hear more out of her, so I crafted questions, I did not especially consider what her answers might be, or what they would mean before hand. Okay two questions: 1) Why do you ask questions that have no purpose behind them? Townies do things for a reason, usually because they try to ask stuff that makes people reveal their alignment. What's your reason? 2) Where does suki's actual answer put her and why? 1) I am reactive, not proactive, at points in the game I run through filters and find scummy things and build cases around them. Traps, well pointed questions, pressure, is not my forte, when I ask questions, my only goal is to create content, so long as I can get people talking I feel that thier alignment will reveal itself overtime regardless of the discussion itself. This is how I've always played, an answer to a question for me is not a fork in the river, but rather a random water toy sunk to the bottom of a wave pool. 2) She chose not to answer, which puts her at null. As the games goes on, I will probally look back at her reactions and try and put two and two together. At the moment shes not here, so not much to go on. 1) Okay so you are trying to create content with your questioning. Now why did you think asking some random questions is a better way to create content than asking about her scumreads? 2) See (1). Also how can you look at her reactions to this particular happening "later on" when you don't know what to expect in the first place?
1: Because I found Moc innocent (her primary scum read cause omgbus) and I assumed she could make us aware of her other reads at her leisure, whereas the questions I asked her, while generic, where very specific to the thread I was talking at the time and would not go answered if not asked. They felt like natural extensions of the argument I was raising. I wasnt sure what answer to expect, but I did want one, like a dog wants a belly rub that never ends.
2: No idea what your saying here, but ill take a shot, my lack of ability in predicting what people will say and guiding their answers has nothing to do with my ability to make reads off what they already said.
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On February 26 2014 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the purpose of your post i quoted in the first place is totally unclear to me.
You don't think suki is mafia, yet you say she looks scummy.
You ask her questions, which do not help you in any way.
You don't expect anything, and when she does something that says nothing you get nothing out of it.
What was the point of the post in your opinion?
The purpose of the post was to see how other people reacted and to share my thoughts on Suki at the time. Also you make it sound like I think Suki is great all of a sudden, shes not, I consider people townie already but Suki is null on that spectrum, which means she did not prove her towniness to me in our exchange, but also did not give me any reason to tunnel her. Oh and The questions dont help me, it was the answers I was counting on and who says I didnt expect anything? I'm always hopeful.
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I think the real question you need to ask yourself Rayn is this, if I'm scum, what do I gain by flip flopping? If suki's town, I just keep pushing her, makes me look consistent and helpful, if Suki's scum why bus her in the first place only to flip flop?
Also do you really think Geript is this dense? I feel hes is deliberately being unhelpful and hes getting a pass for it cause geript.
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On February 26 2014 14:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:47 gumshoe wrote:
I think the real question you need to ask yourself Rayn is this, if I'm scum, what do I gain by flip flopping? If suki's town, I just keep pushing her, makes me look consistent and helpful, if Suki's scum why bus her in the first place only to flip flop?
Also do you really think Geript is this dense? I feel hes is deliberately being unhelpful and hes getting a pass for it cause geript. I don't know. I have no idea what would your goal be from any perspective tbh.. That's why i don't push it further. It does not answer anything, jsut raises more question that will never be answered because you are gumshoe.  I don't know what exactly do you mean with "dense" on geript, but yeah, he's quite meh atm.. I find it very unlikely he would read the thread and people's intentions this carelessly as town.
dense means dumb.
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On February 26 2014 14:45 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:42 TheChyz wrote:
I don't think he's mafia, but I do think this sentence "But it's way scummier to call you town and sheep that case" is scummy. He is addressing himself to mocsta and basically saying (or this is how I read it, maybe misinterpreted) that if he [JJD] calls Mocsta town and sheeps that case it will make him [JJD] look scummier. And I don't understand why a town would be afraid of having a "scummier" image. If you are town, you know your intent was not scummy and you can give an explanation out of it. However if your scum it seems more likely that you are afraid of your image. Why is it that you don't think he's mafia, but you think he's scummy? Are mafia and scum two different entities?
This. Although I'm not sure Chyz's incompetence in his past few posts translates to guilt, unless he feels unreasonably pressured.
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On February 26 2014 14:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:47 gumshoe wrote:
Also do you really think Geript is this dense? I feel hes is deliberately being unhelpful and hes getting a pass for it cause geript. What do you think he's being dense about? Just the thing w/ my quote? ANd how do you know he's not being helpful? Are you reading me as town?
No, I'm not, because Geript's case on you is half hearted enough to be an exoneration bus. Also, have you read half his posts? he literally has five paragraphs on why Toad is scum just because he said hed be buddies in response to Rayn at the start... The argument is dumb and hes pushing it hard. The rest of his posts are lack luster. As for you specifically, I havent seen enough to make a read yet, so carry on.
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On February 26 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gumshoe why did you ask me about geript? I think i have pretty clearly stated what i think of geript before you asked.
I hadn't seen those posts because atm I am not looking at your filter. I also felt his behaviour deserved more attention, problem officer?
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On February 26 2014 15:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript has really been misguided a lot in this game.
Like everything he has talked about he has been misguided or "misguided" in.
Do you feel somewhat sympathetic towards Geript because of how hes treated you?(ironic considering his whole case on toad is that he buddied you).
How do you expect a scum Geript to play?
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On February 26 2014 15:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well geript, you interpretation of me <-> Toad exchange is a big pile of i don't even know what but you are clearly not on the same page with us and your case on JJD is based on him talking about himself when he is actually talking about gumshoe which is in fact very easy to see if you read the post in question in context. Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 14:03 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 14:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well geript, you interpretation of me <-> Toad exchange is a big pile of i don't even know what but you are clearly not on the same page with us and your case on JJD is based on him talking about himself when he is actually talking about gumshoe which is in fact very easy to see if you read the post in question in context. That's not the point. The point is that he's aware of 'scumminess" but not pushing anything in either direction. IDK, I just don't get you Rayn. He clearly says gumshoe is scummy for sheeping Mocsta's bad case. no?
Can you cut this passive aggressive stick? If you want to go for a hat trick, come at me, but I'd appreciate it if I could have a discussion with you without having to defend myself every other post.
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On February 26 2014 15:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 15:04 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 15:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 13:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript has really been misguided a lot in this game.
Like everything he has talked about he has been misguided or "misguided" in. Do you feel somewhat sympathetic towards Geript because of how hes treated you?(ironic considering his whole case on toad is that he buddied you). How do you expect a scum Geript to play? What? I think he is scummy.
See I dont get that from your posts, you portray him as misguided and foolish, is that the same as scummy to you?
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