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Is there anything i need to read or is the game solved already?
Vivax claimed blue and mafia didn't save suki right?
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I'm still bothered about suki bithing about the thread atmosphere when Mocsta was up for lynch.
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Especially after Mocsta's vote did not end up on suki but he was here.
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On February 28 2014 14:12 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Especially after Mocsta's vote did not end up on suki but he was here. Then why bus Suki in the first place? Why would scum arrange a lynch to be between scum ) : the only way we lose here Rayn is if we defeat ourselves, lets not do that.
Mocsta called all his fucking scumteam scum on D1 @ LXIV.
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On February 28 2014 14:15 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:05 Mocsta wrote:
Didn't u vote me cav......
Or am I getting confused? I voted suki to start with and then TheChyz pressured me to change it because apparently it was stupid.
Well that's not really what happened. You basically called suki town and TheChyz asked why your vote is still on suki.
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On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:Guys its obviously close to end game if we lynch town. Lets make the most of the 48hrs and not rush into voting anyone. Treat this like an instant majority lynch (which it kinda is with the mayor power anyways) FYI, I am working off: Town Pool of players for lynch ordered by scumminess - bumatlarge
- Coagulation
- Skanjab1s
- Oatsmaster
- Balla24
+ Show Spoiler [more here if you want to read] +Frankly, Bums play makes a lot of sense as scum. - After an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game.
- His position on voting in BC as mayor is wishy-washy as heck. THe contradictions are easily time-stamp verified -- and guess what, BC was vouching to lynch at least one confirmed town (and I am working off BH as town) so its a no brainer for Bum to just drop his campaign.
- Bum has provided no substance in his reads and in IRC is hesistant to give details. It was always me having to raise items
In short: he is doing the bare minimum to blend in whilst contributing nothing. SCUM What I would like to see from bum: (1) Please give me an update on your top 2 or 3 scum reads with justifications to why. (2) I would also like to know if you have been in correspondance with Coag. CoagulationPotential Pro: - Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con: - We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
- Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association: - His first mayor vote was on Bum.
Some questions to all regarding Coag: (1) Has anyone shared PM/IRC with Coag? If so, has the game actually tried to be discussed in a way conducive to solving it? (2) Bum/Coag: Did you two talk together before Coag voted you as mayor? Lower Priority Reads SkanjabsI would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. OatsI dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? Balla24I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill?
bumatlarge was mafia
Coag was mafia
Balla was mafia
Mocsta definitely busses if he wants to.
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On February 28 2014 14:20 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:Guys its obviously close to end game if we lynch town. Lets make the most of the 48hrs and not rush into voting anyone. Treat this like an instant majority lynch (which it kinda is with the mayor power anyways) FYI, I am working off: Town Pool of players for lynch ordered by scumminess - bumatlarge
- Coagulation
- Skanjab1s
- Oatsmaster
- Balla24
+ Show Spoiler [more here if you want to read] +Frankly, Bums play makes a lot of sense as scum. - After an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game.
- His position on voting in BC as mayor is wishy-washy as heck. THe contradictions are easily time-stamp verified -- and guess what, BC was vouching to lynch at least one confirmed town (and I am working off BH as town) so its a no brainer for Bum to just drop his campaign.
- Bum has provided no substance in his reads and in IRC is hesistant to give details. It was always me having to raise items
In short: he is doing the bare minimum to blend in whilst contributing nothing. SCUM What I would like to see from bum: (1) Please give me an update on your top 2 or 3 scum reads with justifications to why. (2) I would also like to know if you have been in correspondance with Coag. CoagulationPotential Pro: - Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con: - We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
- Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association: - His first mayor vote was on Bum.
Some questions to all regarding Coag: (1) Has anyone shared PM/IRC with Coag? If so, has the game actually tried to be discussed in a way conducive to solving it? (2) Bum/Coag: Did you two talk together before Coag voted you as mayor? Lower Priority Reads SkanjabsI would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. OatsI dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? Balla24I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill? bumatlarge was mafia Coag was mafia Balla was mafia Mocsta definitely busses if he wants to. Yes, but do you honestly believe that Mocsta and suki, both being mafia, would turn around and both be the highest votes of the day?
That's what happens if you bus because people talk only about you.
Remember that if Vivax hadn't claimed blue he would have most likely get lynched.
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On February 28 2014 14:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:20 Cavalinho wrote:On February 28 2014 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:Guys its obviously close to end game if we lynch town. Lets make the most of the 48hrs and not rush into voting anyone. Treat this like an instant majority lynch (which it kinda is with the mayor power anyways) FYI, I am working off: Town Pool of players for lynch ordered by scumminess - bumatlarge
- Coagulation
- Skanjab1s
- Oatsmaster
- Balla24
+ Show Spoiler [more here if you want to read] +Frankly, Bums play makes a lot of sense as scum. - After an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game.
- His position on voting in BC as mayor is wishy-washy as heck. THe contradictions are easily time-stamp verified -- and guess what, BC was vouching to lynch at least one confirmed town (and I am working off BH as town) so its a no brainer for Bum to just drop his campaign.
- Bum has provided no substance in his reads and in IRC is hesistant to give details. It was always me having to raise items
In short: he is doing the bare minimum to blend in whilst contributing nothing. SCUM What I would like to see from bum: (1) Please give me an update on your top 2 or 3 scum reads with justifications to why. (2) I would also like to know if you have been in correspondance with Coag. CoagulationPotential Pro: - Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con: - We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
- Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association: - His first mayor vote was on Bum.
Some questions to all regarding Coag: (1) Has anyone shared PM/IRC with Coag? If so, has the game actually tried to be discussed in a way conducive to solving it? (2) Bum/Coag: Did you two talk together before Coag voted you as mayor? Lower Priority Reads SkanjabsI would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. OatsI dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? Balla24I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill? bumatlarge was mafia Coag was mafia Balla was mafia Mocsta definitely busses if he wants to. Yes, but do you honestly believe that Mocsta and suki, both being mafia, would turn around and both be the highest votes of the day? That's what happens if you bus because people talk only about you. Remember that if Vivax hadn't claimed blue he would have most likely get lynched.
Actually i am not sure this is even true because i still have not re-read so maybe i shut up before i have actually read what happened after my vote on suki.
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On February 28 2014 14:23 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote:Guys its obviously close to end game if we lynch town. Lets make the most of the 48hrs and not rush into voting anyone. Treat this like an instant majority lynch (which it kinda is with the mayor power anyways) FYI, I am working off: Town Pool of players for lynch ordered by scumminess - bumatlarge
- Coagulation
- Skanjab1s
- Oatsmaster
- Balla24
+ Show Spoiler [more here if you want to read] +Frankly, Bums play makes a lot of sense as scum. - After an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game.
- His position on voting in BC as mayor is wishy-washy as heck. THe contradictions are easily time-stamp verified -- and guess what, BC was vouching to lynch at least one confirmed town (and I am working off BH as town) so its a no brainer for Bum to just drop his campaign.
- Bum has provided no substance in his reads and in IRC is hesistant to give details. It was always me having to raise items
In short: he is doing the bare minimum to blend in whilst contributing nothing. SCUM What I would like to see from bum: (1) Please give me an update on your top 2 or 3 scum reads with justifications to why. (2) I would also like to know if you have been in correspondance with Coag. CoagulationPotential Pro: - Was reading the thread and decided to swap to Rayn for mayor. Considering BC wanted to lynch town, a scum Coag had no reason to make this play.
Potential Con: - We can make an assumption that Coag swapped BECAUSE he thought Storr/BH may have been town and did not want them lynched. However, is this evident in Coag filter anywhere?
- Other than the Rayn post, has posted nothing of any substance which ties closer to this scum meta than town meta (as town he still tries to troll post; as scum he doesnt post at all)
Potential Association: - His first mayor vote was on Bum.
Some questions to all regarding Coag: (1) Has anyone shared PM/IRC with Coag? If so, has the game actually tried to be discussed in a way conducive to solving it? (2) Bum/Coag: Did you two talk together before Coag voted you as mayor? Lower Priority Reads SkanjabsI would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. OatsI dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? Balla24I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill? bumatlarge was mafia Coag was mafia Balla was mafia Mocsta definitely busses if he wants to. I guess? Are you telling me mafia allowed the lynch to be between two scum? Eh.
This has happened in the Quiet game where the lynch was between Mr.Cheesecake and Corazon on D1. Also in NMM where we piled on zarepath and when he fakeclaimed we decided to lynch Balla.
It's not that black and white, it depends on the stiuation and what actually happened and if scum can or can't do anything about it. Now i actually do shut up and go do the read so i even know what i am talking about. 
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Ange is really town, like supertown. She basically says all the right things and not in a way she already knows what's going on.
gumshoe is scary. Like really scary and i would keep an eye on him. He's like scum kushm4sta way of right. It's like he is too right in calling JJD and suki scum together. I read pages 74-76 and my impression of gumshoe is "what the fucking hell, is this post-flip already??". Really, if you don't believe me read it. Either he is playing a towngame of his life and is just really right or he is too right and scum. Anyways would not lynch but instead listen to unless something really strange happens.
Wave is really feelyeyey! I like Wave a lot. Good Wave <3
Vivax will prove his claim tonight. If he is mafia he outs himself or they waste a roleblock on him as long as he is alive. Both are good for the town. If he claims he shot the same target mafia did, we lynch him no questions asked.
Toad never talks anything about suki. Worries me a bit. Like, it does line up with his scumreads on geript/Mocsta but to not talk anything at all about the other main lynch candidate is really odd. I have yet to read the SMB game and how Toad acted as town close to lynch. More to come on this.
Basically there is no way Vivax is fakeclaiming.
I have a man-crush on Wave. His posts are so cool, like supercoolio and feel-y.
geript is really bad, like really really bad, but i don't know if scummy.
Cavalinho's comment on Chyz pressuring him is weird. If there is "pressuring" on his vote on suki it's JJD and not Chyz, Chyz asked a simple question which btw is correct. Other than that, Chyz is really fucking scummy. Like "idk what to do with my vote, plz teammates help me".
One of Cavalinho / TheChyz is scum. I am really sure about it. Like really really sure. I just don't know which one yet. Mocsta gets a free pass for like until close to LYLO because JJD is also friggin scummy. Now it's still possible Mocsta was away, suki was away, and Cav/Chyz didn't know what to do and scum had no chance of pushing to vote into anything but 2 scum on the line, so my theory stands. Possible? Yes. Likely? No. But still possible. Anyways.
Vivax - you gotz to shoot into JJD/Cav/Chyz based on what they do on this night phase. One thing that speaks in Chyz' favor is that he indeed didn't save suki by voting Mocsta. So maybe don't shoot him after all, it's unlikely he is mafia unless Mocsta is. Other contenders for mafia are imo Toad and geript, in that order. gumshoe and Mocsta as wildcards that should be considered if something weird happens, but not for days. Just keep and eye on them. Next thing i do is gonna be the the Toad shit from SMB which i have been trying to do for like a day but the thread just keeps getting bigger so maybe i now have actual time to do so. Shame on you Broodwar, headache and sleep for that.
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Cavalinho i am interested why you read this:
On February 28 2014 08:53 TheChyz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 08:49 Cavalinho wrote:
See, this is what I was talking about. Every time she showed up, she contributed and made solid posts and analysis on other players. The second she disappears people think she is scummy.
HolyFlare, is there anyone else you'd be particularly satisfied to vote for? I think suki is town, and Mocsta is probably the better lynch between the two. And yet your vote is in suki.......?
..as "pressuring you into not voting suki", but this:
On February 28 2014 08:49 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 08:27 Cavalinho wrote:
Fair enough.
I'm still not entirely sure why rayn and HolyFlare think suki is scummy. The only reason I'm this indecisive is that if my strongest townreads are jumping to take her out, then there might be something to it. I don't see it, and the only people I really want to vote for have almost no votes on them. I think JJD's filter shows that he's trying to contribute, but he's only arguing around in a circle with everyone else.
I think I'm going to have to trust my townreads on this one. ##Vote suki can we lynch this guy?
..is not?
???
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Okay i have read SMB D1 and maybe geript is right and Toadesstern is mafia. In that game he actually cares about the lynch and discusses different possibilities with multiple people, in this game he doesn't give a flying fuck about the lynch.
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On February 28 2014 16:08 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +I know why you voted for her, and its complete garbage the case you make. You basically said that your going to vote a town read who you think is supplying good analysis to the game just because some other of your town reads are voting her. ROFL what a joke Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 09:07 TheChyz wrote:Wow I was worried my read was wrong. Glad I didnt cave Let's take a quick look at these two quotes. Chyz said that he didn't mind if suki was lynched, but kept his vote on geript. He then takes credit for the lynch, even though he didn't actually partake. Compare this to my involvement. My case was supposedly bad, but I switch on the lynch upon realizing that it is and thinking that suki is town and wind up with a vote on the wrong guy. If my vote is on mafia, no less one of his scumreads, why is it that he is trying to get me to vote someone else? Especially when he supposedly wants this person dead in the first place? (Don't forget, this goes for JJD as well. Both of them came up with weird reasons for pushing my vote away, even though Chyz came up with one that's more solid, despite the fact that it was right.)
Yes that's what i was thinking about aswell as i read the thread. But it does not make sense he did not vote for Mocsta unless Mocsta is mafia too. Like he says he is okay with both suki/Mocsta dying, he is here watching, but does not save his godfather. It makes no sense unless Mocsta is scum too because he could easily just say "fuck i think this lynch is better" and vote for Mocsta with some arbitary bullshit reason.
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And even if Mocsta is mafia, why would Chyz not vote for one of them? One of them gets lynched 100%, why does Chyz NOT take ACTUAL credit for the lynch by hammering scum? It makes no sense to me and that's why i think he is not mafia.
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Maybe this game is just too ezpz and JJD and Toad are mafia.
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No no no no Cavalinho, you don't lynch your scumbuddy on D1 if you can avoid it. Lynching mafia D1 is far worse for scum than even all scum hard defending that said mafia.
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On February 28 2014 16:28 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2014 16:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No no no no Cavalinho, you don't lynch your scumbuddy on D1 if you can avoid it. Lynching mafia D1 is far worse for scum than even all scum hard defending that said mafia. I disagree, but like that sort of damage control needs to be done way earlier.
Exactly, that's why lynching mafia on D1 as scum is terrible.
It confirms too much when you look at early D1 reads. It's the worst position you can ever be as mafia.
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I also agree with your interpretation of Chyz' & Cav's latest posts geript.
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On February 28 2014 16:31 geript wrote:
Rayn here's the situation. Scum has no thread control or presence. I'm calling it. I'm town, you're town, Wave's town, HF's town. Vivax is probably town. Like it's a really big unlynchable circle right now.
Yes, i agree. That's why the mafia D1 lynch was horrible for them. That's exactly what i mean.
Whoever is scum with suki i know she is good enough to know to not lynch her if it's avoidable and she would tell that in scum QT. That's why Chyz is town too.
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gumshoe is probably town too.
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