[S] Shadowed Mini Mafia: The Reboot

On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:

It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town.
I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game.

1. Because I said it last game.

2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D

I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day.

On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:

I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that.

I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it.

Koshi is scum. I caught one :D

On February 07 2014 08:49 suki wrote:
##unvote King Balla
##vote Jaybrundage

What the hell are you seriously posting a super-serious-scum-hunt long ass post with quotes and reasoning two hours into the game? Take a CHILL PILL man.

Holy shit. Why the hell are you in such a rush to find scum out of the first four people who have entered the thread. This attitude is completely different from last game and I don't mean that in a good way.

On February 07 2014 08:58 suki wrote:
It's not the action but the motives.

Posting a long ass scum case this early just screams try-hard scum look at me I'm hunting scum! Why do you have to prove yourself this early as town, forcing a pure meta "koshi should be happy but he's not" argument to say that Koshi is definitely scum?

On February 07 2014 09:08 suki wrote:




Bahhhh bahhhhh.

Anyways it's kind of mean for me to troll you. But the hole you're digging yourself in is going straight to china at this rate. Maybe take a break because this Balla+Koshi chainsaw defense scum theory is not doing you any favours.

On February 07 2014 13:51 suki wrote:
Regarding people's concerns that I'm not scum hunting, I was just having fun at the beginning of the game. So, you can decide if I'm scum hunting or not going forward.



I skimmed JayB's case and didn't like it. I don't see the point in meta reading someone off of their pre-game content, or meta reading them 2 hours into the game as the game is still getting started.

What threw me off was that he put in a ton of effort trying to find every little thing he could in order to paint Koshi as scum. He basically became super sure that Koshi was scum off of a weak case. He had already stated that he was going to scum hunt and he was hunting so hard it just felt forced and contrived.

In other words, I didn't care about the case that he made, or the fact that it was made early, I cared about what motivations he could have had when making that case. Does it make more sense for town to hard tunnel someone off a weak case and try to make them look scummy, or does it make more sense for scum? The fact that the case was made so early is just a bonus point against a town scum-hunting mindset.

In my opinion, it's more scummy to take this line of action. Thus I voted Jay.


On Koshi

Koshi has talked the talk. He just needs to walk the walk.

His attitude is different in this game than last. He's more confident and more 'willing' to be active and contribute.

If he doesn't hold up his end of the deal then he's an easy lynch.

Other than that he hasn't done anything so I am waiting for his contributions when he returns.

On February 07 2014 14:50 suki wrote:
I've had a skim through most of the people in this thread and I want to bring people's attention to one person in particular:

Sidesprang

Sidesprang is not a high-quantity player. This is true throughout all his games.

I noticed something when I was reading his posts while catching up, and this notion became stronger when I reread his filter.

With this notion in mind, I then looked up his game history. I found 3 town games and 1 mafia game.

Meta analysis in spoiler:
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Now my point with this case is not to say that sidesprang is totes scum, but rather to point out some observations that I've made that make it seem that he is in a different mindset this game, and that this mindset makes him more likely scum.

sidesprang's attitude this game feels different from his town games.

He asks 'Are you basing your scum read on Suki just off meta atm?' then spends two large posts talking about how my meta is different and basically soft-defending me.

I'm used to sidesprang asking tough questions, questions whose answers have meaning. It's kind of subtle but I feel like if sidesprang really cared about Aquanim's answer he would have waited for Aqua's reply.

The other thing I noticed is that when he talked about Jay, he talked directly to Jay 'Regarding your Koshi case.. you better get more meat on it ... I think it's too early to call you scum...'

In all of his town games he has always referred to other players as 'this guy' and spoke about them in the third person. Not once did he ever directly write an analysis against someone as if he was talking to them. A weak point but just something that caught my eye.

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This is admittedly a lot of words to describe a few subtle things. However there was just something different about sidesprang this game, and I wanted to explore it. Now that I have I want to share this information and just keep a closer eye on him.

The fact that so much has happened in the thread and sidesprang has only called Jay scummy is something that is different than his previous town games.

The fact that he spends a lot of time discussing my meta feels like he's playing this game with a different mindset, one that's not so focused on scum hunting and more focused on looking like he's contributing. In fact, in the previous three town games that I skimmed I didn't see one instance of him defending a player. All his efforts were on scum hunting.

So. Conclusion: Sidesprang is scummy because his approach to this game is different, which can be seen as scummy for the reasons expressed above. We should keep a close eye on him and see how he chooses to continue the game.

On February 07 2014 08:24 Koshi wrote:
The kid with the lollipop is when I roll scum.

It goes like this:
I see scum PM, I am very angry --> I pretend to be really happy in the thread.

But this game it went like this:
I AM FUCKING TOWN HELL FUCKING YEAH --> I don't have to pretend shit and I simply scumhunt.


Currently I am looking at Jonny and JayB.
Why am I not looking at Balla atm? Because isn't it more likely Balla is scum and I am being blindfolded?
Good question but no!
Balla posts about current topics, his posts influence how I think and are well thought out and he posts carefree and townylike. I just like everything about him.

And I really dislike you 2 atm. JayB is shaking in his boots and Jonny you just left the thread as soon as JayB got attention.

##unvote
##vote: JonnyLaw

Let it be known.

On February 07 2014 16:15 JonnyLaw wrote:
Why do you even want me to look at that Suki? Balla says I think his king post was funny. Am I supposed to take that seriously? I refuse to do so.

I talk to Jay about the last game. Uhhh....I felt bad for tunneling a townie so hard? I want jay to play the game and you guys start out right where I fucking left off. If he's scum (which I get to in my next post) we can lynch him.

And Balla's mad that I don't think he's paying attention and I refuse to call him "king." Yeah...what is there to say about that "case" on me.

Finishing the jay post. be back with you in a second.

On February 07 2014 16:33 JonnyLaw wrote:

LOL. Hi aqua. Sorry assumed the chain kept going from Suki. I'm getting very weary from the long night out.





The second post is the scummiest thing Jay's said all day. Actually it's scummy as hell rereading it. Under what town mindset are you ready to lynch one person and vig another two hours into the game? I wanna go look at balla before I crash.

On February 08 2014 01:32 suki wrote:
What do people think about lynching slam or LoneMeow for pulling the same 24 hour disappearance trick that Hopeless did in the previous game?

I know that slam can check the game from his phone and has no qualms about posting from his phone. This behaviour is not typical of either of them.

On February 08 2014 14:37 Balla24 wrote:
Okeydokeyroleypoleyoley, this game is moving along much better than last game IMO. There are more townie people, less questionable people. Obviously this is good. So let's get to it.

The probable mafia for me today are Jonnylaw and Alakaslam. Unfortunately they are both relatively lurky, thus hard to read. However this is in direct contrast to the previous game where they were both spammy and somewhat active for a period during every section of day 1.

Alakaslam has so little content. I get the impression that he doesn't really know what to talk about in this game. I've expected to see a lot of posts on the verge of being spammy when he is here, related to what he is reading at the current moment. He started to do that earlier but didn't really follow through. The things he HAS chosen to talk about are just not helpful to town:



This is his first post. The first thing he decides to talk about is the change in suki and I's play. Mind you, I buckled down pretty quickly and got to business within the first 2 pages of the thread and this post is coming today LONG after everything has settled and there is plenty of real content to talk about. I don't understand the reasoning behind this post. What conclusion is he trying to draw? I don't see any attempt to draw a conclusion about our alignment. He leaves it open-ended for us to guess at what he's trying to get at. As if he wanted us to look back at it and say "Wow! These two really were trolly! That must mean they are scum. There had already been discussion on suki about it too.

Same thing here, I don't understand the intent:
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On his second return to the thread, he becomes more Alakaslam like. Starts posting inquiries on what he is currently reading. This is good. However it abruptly ends before he even gets to anywhere good within the thread, with him posting some self-meta analysis that he posted last game. I would have expected some conclusions from his read through. Does my vote that he commented on make me scummy? Is suki trolling more scummy? There are no conclusions. Slam makes conclusions regardless of how far-fetched they are. Is JB scummy for suggesting that he will policy lurkers and not having his vote on you? These are the questions I would expect him to be asking himself and posting the conclusions to. Instead he just makes broad statements and questions about the posts he finds interesting. The posts I am referencing are in the spoilers below, but it's basically just the rest of his posts.

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One more thing:



First off, I don't recall Jaybrundage calling out me and suki for trolling and stuff. Maybe he's talking about Jonnylaw? Regardless of who it is, this is a strange statement because that's literally all he's done himself, and if he's calling JB scummy for that then that's pretty sketchy...

Moving on, Jonnylaw. I feel bad here because of his drunk posting last night and how I said I wanted to ignore it while waiting for Jonny to come back and tell me if they were serious or not. But it's been a while now... his activity level is making me very wary(did I use the right word?) on top of all the other stuff I've already posted about.

So actually, mid-writing this I decide I don't really have anything more to say about Jonny. I'd appreciate if he would try again to refute the points I brought up against him last night, because all drunk jonny did was mis-interpret what I was saying and ignore other stuff then call me scum for my filter which has still not been followed up on. Actually he also did this while he was sober too:



It's actually giving me flashbacks to Normal Mini Mafia 1 vibes where I was scum and I was called scum early by multiple people because of my activity, and unfortunately I wasn't able to re-establish myself in the thread like I would have liked. I'm not sure if that's what's happening here obviously until Jonny gives me some sense that this is not what's happening. Another thing that makes me feel worse about him is that when we are both town, we tend to work very well together, regardless of how clashy our personalities are. We're not working well together. I don't know who he thinks is scum, all I know is he read my filter and thought it smelled bad. Maybe that will change.

The townies

Suki, Aquanim, Hopeless1der all seem to be pushing pro-town things.

Hopeless1der's game is much much different than last and i'm not getting any super bad vibes from him. The things he is doing he seems to have reason for it and anything that is unexplained he seems to have a followup and explanation for it. The things that stuck out to me last game are not apparent here. He is not content to sit around and talk about early game shennanigans, he is not super afk lurky like last time.

Here's where I get the impression he doesn't want to be talking about policy, whereas like I made the case on last game, he is content to do so as scum:



Then there are multiple points where I feel he is asking the right questions, these are things that I want to ask too and there seems to be reasoning behind them.
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Here is an example of where he follows up on something. This was in reference to me asking him about his read on oats, sure it took a little for me to get it out of him but he got it out quickly in response to me. There's logical thinking here, and the desire to learn oats' alignment (and mine, in a previous post).

The trolliness you guys can see on your own in his filter, I think that is more of a town trait for hopeless.

Aquanim is more of the same. He has a natural inquisitive nature that I think is clear in his posting. He's trying to learn people's alignments. A lot of the questions he's asking are questions I would have asked myself, though there are also a lot of easy questions that have obvious answers as well. He's also trying to bring new information to the thread.

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In the first quote is an example of something he does a lot: where he clearly thinks suki is scummy with his followup case on her, so he wants to force her to take a stance on the other possible other people he may or may not think are scummy for obvious reasons. He does this multiple times towards multiple people. The other two are examples of good questions that are attempting to learn more about the person and understand their alignment. Even though the last one is an easy question, it's something that Oats really has to address because it's just a weird thing to say. Everything seems to indicate that Aquanim is very curious, attempting to learn everybody's alignment.

I said earlier that his attempts at starting conversation seemed awkward and he wasn't really getting that done. That's changed drastically and I think he's really getting what he wants from the thread now.

The main thing for Suki is that, while I didn't like her initial cases on people. She defends them as if she really thought what she was saying was true. The koshi case was pretty bad, but she never really backed down from it. The jaybrundage meta case was unexplained, but she followed up with a great case on what she saw. The sidesprang case is one of the few where she does somewhat backdown:



But the way she does it is humble, she doesn't try to stick up for it at all when she realizes how off it is, and actually gives reasoning why it was bad. In contrast, if you remember Koshi's case from last game, when he realized it was bad it was more like "shit yeah this was bad sorry guys peace!" trying to sweep it under the rug.

I'm probably one of the few, but I think that suki's trolling and roleplaying and all that is actually more indicative of a town player. They are more likely to be happy and care-free and attempt to have fun. Now i'm not saying this couldn't come from a scum player who is good at the game (like suki is), but I believe a scum player would be much more serious in attempting to fit in right away with the town, trying to scum hunt, trying to be pro-town etc.

Beyond that I see real attempts at trying to figure out other's alignments, and a curiosity, almost more fierce then anybody else in this game. She has 7 pages of filter already for crying out loud. It's reminiscent of a town koshi, town rayn type player.

Questionables

Everybody else is rather questionable.

I'm getting tired of sidesprang's dissapearing acts. He does this way too much. From the little he has posted he leans town-null. He wants to dispell attacks on him. Hes sharing his opinions on people more freely then last game. It's good.

Lonemeow is playing similar to last game, where I thought he was scum, but he was town... sooooo...... we'll see about him. He posted a lot today, which is good in comparison to last game and the games i've read of him. That means he is somewhat motivated to play this game. We've seen him shut down in a scum game, and he's expressed his hatred for playing scum, so that bodes well for him.

Jaybrundage started off bad pretty bad and since then he hasn't been amazing, but when he explained what was going through his head at the time of the shitstorm in the beginning, it kind of makes sense from a town perspective like others were saying. Lots of OMGUS which is annoying, but maybe it's because all the scum are picking on him so he can't even get anything else out before he is attacked again. And in all seriousness, he isn't actually thinking like me at all. So we'll see what that means at the end I guess lol.

Finally....

##vote Jonnylaw