EPTYou say you have been doing all the stuff this cycle, but all that stuff just consists of you dumping more and more shit on hopeless, hardly a good way to convince people.
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Oatsmaster
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You say you have been doing all the stuff this cycle, but all that stuff just consists of you dumping more and more shit on hopeless, hardly a good way to convince people. | ||
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On February 17 2014 12:46 Aquanim wrote: How exactly have you "confirmed that hopeless is town"? Why would I tell scum how? | ||
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On February 17 2014 12:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Because a bus is only useful if you get cred for it, why jump on a lynch already happening in a totally suspicious manner that doesnt give you cred? Also LM was attacking Coag for the majority of the last day and only switched when suki and balla switched. Super opportunistic. Hopeless' vote was unnecessary on all occasions and he didnt give a shit about looking like hes sheeping. You say you have been doing all the stuff this cycle, but all that stuff just consists of you dumping more and more shit on hopeless, hardly a good way to convince people. Do you think a scum Hopeless would evaluate that situation on Day 1 and think "I'm just going to leave my vote on someone random with no reasoning while my scumbuddy gets lynched, that will make me look super-good"? No. Sheeping onto the Jonny wagon made him no towncred, but NOTHING he did at that point was going to make him towncred. "<Hopeless> was attacking Coag for the majority of day 2 and only switched when suki, balla, <Aqua and LM> switched. Super opportunistic." Wow, that was an easy point to refute. Describing my play this cycle as "dumping shit on Hopeless" is a lazy misrepresentation. I'm trying to get my scumread lynched, which is more than I can say for you. | ||
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Aquanim
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...to save him from being mislynched if he is indeed town? dunno if you've noticed, but votes are currently 2-2 and Coag has the hammer. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On February 17 2014 12:53 Aquanim wrote: Do you think a scum Hopeless would evaluate that situation on Day 1 and think "I'm just going to leave my vote on someone random with no reasoning while my scumbuddy gets lynched, that will make me look super-good"? No. Sheeping onto the Jonny wagon made him no towncred, but NOTHING he did at that point was going to make him towncred. "<Hopeless> was attacking Coag for the majority of day 2 and only switched when suki, balla, <Aqua and LM> switched. Super opportunistic." Wow, that was an easy point to refute. Describing my play this cycle as "dumping shit on Hopeless" is a lazy misrepresentation. I'm trying to get my scumread lynched, which is more than I can say for you. 2 people are on LM same as 2 people on Hopeless. Except hopeless switched when it was beyond a doubt, LM switched when it was 4-4. I think scum hopeless would read the situation way better and hard bus johnny. He didnt even really push jay, just poked him a bit and kept calling him scum. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On February 17 2014 12:54 Aquanim wrote: ...to save him from being mislynched if he is indeed town? dunno if you've noticed, but votes are currently 2-2 and Coag has the hammer. I dunno if you've noticed, but there is no way hopeless can be confirmed town. | ||
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Aquanim
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On February 17 2014 12:59 Oatsmaster wrote: I dunno if you've noticed, but there is no way hopeless can be confirmed town. On February 17 2014 12:43 Oatsmaster wrote: Does me having confirmed that hopeless is town make any difference to you aqua? You are soooo tunneled. what are you even saying now, I do not understand | ||
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On February 17 2014 12:58 Oatsmaster wrote: 2 people are on LM same as 2 people on Hopeless. Except hopeless switched when it was beyond a doubt, LM switched when it was 4-4. I think scum hopeless would read the situation way better and hard bus johnny. He didnt even really push jay, just poked him a bit and kept calling him scum. now that is a point worth at least considering... I shall consider it. Not sure why you think "not even really pushing jay" makes hopeless town tho. | ||
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Hopeless' vote for Jonny: On February 08 2014 23:44 Hopeless1der wrote: Of course he disagrees with me, he's scum Koshi. /sarcasm I may not be back before deadline, family stuff. I'll try to keep updated by phone ##Unvote ##Vote: JonnyLaw Hopeless' last post before his vote for Jonny: On February 08 2014 12:24 Hopeless1der wrote: i hadnt noticed the omgus trend. that is interesting to note. Note that there is a 12 hour gap between the two. Previous to Hopeless' last post on Feb 8 12:24 was my vote and Koshi's vote on Jonny. In between the two was Balla's vote and almost all of the thread swing against Jonny. At the time Hopeless left the thread, the momentum had not yet really swung against Jonny - so I don't think he'd have chosen to hard bus Jonny at that point. When he came back it was too late to make it look particularly good. This does weaken my own point as well in that a fair bit of the thread discussion of Jonny took place while Hopeless was absent. Still somewhat scummy that he didn't talk to or about him at all before that... but no longer a slam-dunk. | ||
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##Unvote Let's talk some more. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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What makes LM townie Aqua? | ||
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On February 17 2014 14:28 Oatsmaster wrote: uh sorry went out. What makes LM townie Aqua? To be honest, it's a pretty weak townread. I like that he's been asking a lot of questions, I think throughout the game he's been curious about other players' point of view which is primiarily a town trait. I don't get anything conclusive either way from his attitude to either of the lynches - he expressed some suspicion of Jonny early, but nothing implausible as a bus. His attitude to the Sidesprang lynch was very similar to mine - namely, overridden until very late in the day by an intense desire to lynch Coag. If LoneMeow is scum and therefore knew that JayB was both town and probably a power role, this post strikes me as pretty weird from that perspective. I don't much like that he's voting Hopeless as a "pressure" vote today - that strikes me as off. That being said, if I was certain Hopeless was the scum out of these two I'd have voted him at the start of the day, rather than later on like I did. If you - or anybody else - wants to try to convince me I'm wrong, I'm listening. | ||
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On February 17 2014 15:10 Oatsmaster wrote: wanna lynch coag? Whether I want to and whether I think it's more likely to result in a town win are two different things here. With regard to the second: If Coag is certainly just gonna lynch me tomorrow if we mislynch today, from my perspective (knowing I'm town) if he is town then we lose nothing by lynching him today. The difference would be that instead of you, me and Coag choosing between Hopeless and Lone it would probably just be me (since you're the most likely shot). Which is something of a downside, but meh. It's still lynch-scum-or-lose. Obviously if Coag's scum we have to lynch him to win. The point about Coag's scum meta being to do absolutely nothing useful at all, and him doing slightly more than that this game, remains true - but I'm still unconvinced that Coag is actually just completely incapable of doing anything as scum. Just because it's what he's done the last couple of times isn't conclusive. IIRC the only other reason to think Coag is town is the rageposts he made, which I think could possibly be posted by a scum Coag. Remember, he was pissed off about that town-seal stuff before he even got his role in this game. tl;dr I can't find any particularly good reason not to lynch Coag. No huge downside if he's town considering if the game runs into tomorrow we'd probably mislynch him or me anyway, and we win if he's scum (which I reckon is still more-or-less possible.) | ||
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