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Oats, my problem here is that neither of the other three have played in a manner today which I can easily ascribe to townie motivation.
Coag dropped one or two comments in the thread then left. Then again, one of these was pretty interesting... I'll get to it in a second.
LoneMeow wandered into the thread, put a vote on Hopeless as "pressure" then wandered out. I feel like the time for solely "pressure" votes is well and truly over and this might have been Lone trying to not take some responsibility for this vote. Then again, he has at least justified his vote of Hopeless.
Hopeless tried to convince me to vote for LoneMeow with some BS argument, which notably included no analysis of his own alignment nor LoneMeow's. I feel like a town Hopeless should be at least kind of comfortable explaining what in his main scumread's play makes them scum, but the only reason I can find in Hopeless' filter for LM being scum is process of elimination.
I'd actually forgotten about this little exchange he had with Coag:
On February 17 2014 03:55 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 03:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
If I agree to lynch aqua (and he isn't scum) do you agree to lynch LM the next day, coag? This is the scummiest fucking post all game. Like how the fuck do I know whats going to happen between now and 2 lynches later. reads like the last scum setting up mislynches. Do you see how scummy that shit sounds?
So Hopeless tried to make some deal with Coag to lynch me, then LoneMeow.
AND he tried to make some deal with me to lynch LoneMeow.
I can kind of see how he might do this as a townie, if he was absolutely and positively convinced that Lone was scum and was willing to make any deal to see him lynched. Problem is, he doesn't have a case on Lone, just some PoE... I don't see how he can be sure enough about LM-scum to make this make sense from a townie point of view.
Oats, if you can see how this makes any kind of sense from a townie Hopeless let me know. In the meantime:
##Vote: Hopeless1der
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The thing about either of the situations Hopeless is trying to push is that I feel like they both involve him surviving through LYLO as a focus.
If he lynches me then Lone with Coag, he survives.
If he convinces me to vote Lone, he has a pretty good chance of surviving the Hopeless-Coag-Aqua LYLO.
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Hmm... I guess that isn't really the point, any townie would also not want to be lynched themselves.
But I feel like there's a fundamental disconnect between being willing to work with me to lynch LoneMeow and being willing to work with Coag to lynch me.
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On February 14 2014 17:22 LoneMeow wrote:Actually, now that I went back and checked the timing of things Aquanim looks very town for the D1 push on JonnyLaw, far more than I originally thought. When he made this big push to get JonnyLaw lynched the votes, if I'm not mistaken, were like this: Jaybrundage ( 3 ) : Balla24, Koshi, suki, Hopeless1der, Oatsmaster, Alakaslam JonnyLaw ( 3 ) : suki, Koshi, Aquanim, Balla24 Alakaslam ( 0 ) : jaybrundage Sidesprang ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster suki ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster, Balla24, Jaybrundage Koshi ( 1 ) : Jaybrundage, JonnyLaw Balla24 ( 0 ) : Jaybrundage, suki Aquanim ( 0 ) : Balla24There's always a slight chance it was a bus given how JonnyLaw was playing and how much suspicion he was getting, but I'd say that he looks town enough for now.
So I checked, the following people were voicing suspicion on JonnyLaw before Aquanim posted his case:
suki
jaybrundage
Balla24
Koshi
myself
So considering the timing, it could very well have been a bus but that's pretty inconclusive.
Aquanim, were you voting Coagulation on D2 because you thought he was scum or because he was a liability?
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On February 17 2014 04:20 Hopeless1der wrote:
Like ignore that I'm scummy, look to Oats for your advice since he's going to die tonight if we don't lynch scum. He says I'm town at least...
If there is a tomorrow, it is going to be Coag + whoever doesn't get lynched out of (me/aqua/lm) = 2v1 LYLO. Coag is the undisputed town component here and basically the game will hinge on you to 'pick' the scummer out. My hands are tied, I have to go for LM or Aqua and its going to be like that for the rest of the game. If you want to compromise, fantastic, if not I'll have to see about tryharding some bullshit case together because I would fucking have to.
This is some pretty shifty reasoning. As town, you are here to lynch scum, not try to strategize what keeps you alive. If that forces you to make an unpopular case then so be it.
Also, we don't know for a fact that Oatsmaster is town (even though it seems very likely) - and even if he is town it does not mean he's right about who's town/scum.
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On February 17 2014 22:21 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 17:22 LoneMeow wrote:Actually, now that I went back and checked the timing of things Aquanim looks very town for the D1 push on JonnyLaw, far more than I originally thought. When he made this big push to get JonnyLaw lynched the votes, if I'm not mistaken, were like this: Jaybrundage ( 3 ) : Balla24, Koshi, suki, Hopeless1der, Oatsmaster, Alakaslam JonnyLaw ( 3 ) : suki, Koshi, Aquanim, Balla24 Alakaslam ( 0 ) : jaybrundage Sidesprang ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster suki ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster, Balla24, Jaybrundage Koshi ( 1 ) : Jaybrundage, JonnyLaw Balla24 ( 0 ) : Jaybrundage, suki Aquanim ( 0 ) : Balla24There's always a slight chance it was a bus given how JonnyLaw was playing and how much suspicion he was getting, but I'd say that he looks town enough for now. So I checked, the following people were voicing suspicion on JonnyLaw before Aquanim posted his case: suki jaybrundage Balla24 Koshi myself So considering the timing, it could very well have been a bus but that's pretty inconclusive. Aquanim, were you voting Coagulation on D2 because you thought he was scum or because he was a liability?
Both. I thought he was reasonably likely to be scum, and if he was town would likely either be mislynched later or contribute to a mislynch at LYLO - hence, a liability. I'm sure my reasons are in my filter, if you look.
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On February 17 2014 21:11 Aquanim wrote:
LoneMeow wandered into the thread, put a vote on Hopeless as "pressure" then wandered out. I feel like the time for solely "pressure" votes is well and truly over and this might have been Lone trying to not take some responsibility for this vote. Then again, he has at least justified his vote of Hopeless.
It's a serious vote to lynch scum, but I'm also hoping that since Hopeless1der keeps saying he is super effective active when under pressure it would make him actually post reasoning what he finds scummy about me and whether he's suspicious of anyone else at all.
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On February 17 2014 22:42 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 22:21 LoneMeow wrote:On February 14 2014 17:22 LoneMeow wrote:Actually, now that I went back and checked the timing of things Aquanim looks very town for the D1 push on JonnyLaw, far more than I originally thought. When he made this big push to get JonnyLaw lynched the votes, if I'm not mistaken, were like this: Jaybrundage ( 3 ) : Balla24, Koshi, suki, Hopeless1der, Oatsmaster, Alakaslam JonnyLaw ( 3 ) : suki, Koshi, Aquanim, Balla24 Alakaslam ( 0 ) : jaybrundage Sidesprang ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster suki ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster, Balla24, Jaybrundage Koshi ( 1 ) : Jaybrundage, JonnyLaw Balla24 ( 0 ) : Jaybrundage, suki Aquanim ( 0 ) : Balla24There's always a slight chance it was a bus given how JonnyLaw was playing and how much suspicion he was getting, but I'd say that he looks town enough for now. So I checked, the following people were voicing suspicion on JonnyLaw before Aquanim posted his case: suki jaybrundage Balla24 Koshi myself So considering the timing, it could very well have been a bus but that's pretty inconclusive. Aquanim, were you voting Coagulation on D2 because you thought he was scum or because he was a liability? Both. I thought he was reasonably likely to be scum, and if he was town would likely either be mislynched later or contribute to a mislynch at LYLO - hence, a liability. I'm sure my reasons are in my filter, if you look.
This is the conclusion you came to after reading up on both players:
On February 12 2014 06:28 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 04:16 Coagulation wrote:
Aquanim is defending sidesprang hard and making up illogical shit in the process. sidesprang Aquanim scum team
calling it now. You're hilarious Coag. Also, you disgust me... but the fact you're posting anything game-relevant at all is apparently a town-tell. (Much happier with the scum-meta from the PYP LoL game than the others I found.) Imma go take a quick look at Sidesprang again.
On February 12 2014 06:45 Aquanim wrote:
Ha! Do your worst Coag.
Reading his filter again, it's still marginal but I think there was a significant amount more thought going into his posts in the newbie, rather than just summarising the thread (which more accurately describes here).
Can't say I'm hugely confident in this one but
##Unvote
##Vote: Sidesprang
Give me some kind of idea how strongly you thought each of them was scummy/towny at this point.
Also, why did you feel a need to change your vote if you were unconfident about the lynch, given that it did not affect the outcome?
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I can kind of see how he might do this as a townie, if he was absolutely and positively convinced that Lone was scum and was willing to make any deal to see him lynched. Problem is, he doesn't have a case on Lone, just some PoE... I don't see how he can be sure enough about LM-scum to make this make sense from a townie point of view.
Oats, if you can see how this makes any kind of sense from a townie Hopeless let me know. In the meantime:
Uh you just said it. He is convinced.
bleh why are you doing this LM?
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Aqua I have 2 available lynches and 2 townreads. POE is sufficient for me to be trying to make bargains with whoever I can to ensure that the people who are not me get lynched.
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Votecount:
LoneMeow ( 2 ) : Hopeless1der, Oatsmaster
Hopeless1der ( 2 ) : LoneMeow, Aquanim, Aquanim
1 people who haven't voted yet: Coagulation
With 2 votes LoneMeow is set to be lynched
Deadline on Monday, Feb 17 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00).
That means you've got left to vote!
if you happen to find any mistakes in the above, please inform us/me about it immediatly, thanks.
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Hey guys lets just remove the question mark that has shown he doesnt want to put in any effort at all.
##unvote
##vote Coag
I think that in lylo, if I die, LM/Aqua/Hopeless probably has the best chance of winning cause probably everyone is nullish on each other.
kk gonna sleep.
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Votecount:
Hopeless1der ( 2 ) : LoneMeow, Aquanim, Aquanim
Coagulation ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster
LoneMeow ( 1 ) : Hopeless1der, Oatsmaster
1 people who haven't voted yet: Coagulation
With 2 votes Hopeless1der is set to be lynched
Deadline on Monday, Feb 17 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
if you happen to find any mistakes in the above, please inform us/me about it immediatly, thanks.
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that's good oats...real good. Now I'm gonna die.
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coag, sucking the fun out of mafia since I can't remember when.
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ok Im gonna vote lonemeow Any town vibes I get from him saving me from lynch earlier has pretty much been absolved by him dropping off the radar when crunch time hits and the real deal starts happening. and the 1 guy (aqua) that I think was kinda scum seems to be having a fucking fit of epic proportions about who is the last scum. Hopeless is null for the most part but reading more and more town to me as time goes on however I never really wanted to say that because I dont want him operating under the impression that theres no pressure from me. Honestly he has said some of the scummiest shit in this game but hes really putting a ton of visible effort and discomfort in figuring out who the last scum is.
##vote Lonemeow
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On February 18 2014 03:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey guys lets just remove the question mark that has shown he doesnt want to put in any effort at all.
##unvote
##vote Coag
I think that in lylo, if I die, LM/Aqua/Hopeless probably has the best chance of winning cause probably everyone is nullish on each other.
kk gonna sleep.
yeah uh how about no
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please please pretty please aqua just win the game now and vote LM?
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On February 18 2014 04:34 Hopeless1der wrote:
coag, sucking the fun out of mafia since I can't remember when.
I have been busy working so fucking spare me.
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EPT
