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Mmmm.. Something doesn't feel right.
Jay starts out D2 by voting sidesprang, but quickly jumps on Coag. The order of votes at the time was me, then aqua, then lonemeow, then Jay.
If Jay thinks I'm scum N1, why would he vote with me on what is essentially a policy lynch... If I'm scum going for the easy policy lynch wouldn't that set off warning bells?
Hmm.
Jay eventually votes sidesprang, but he is #7 to vote.
That means that in Day 2 his play could be described as a sheep onto Coag, followed by a late bandwagon onto sidesprang.
On February 12 2014 06:52 jaybrundage wrote:
Sidesprang not being in the thread when hes about to be lynched doesn't look so great.
Coag could be town reading up on him. I do find it odd that he asked for a vig shot and then got angry when people were gonna lynch him.
##Unvote
##Vote Sidesprang
Lets hope for the best.
mmmmmmm.. This feels weird. Why is he switching from Coag to Sidesprang? Why does he think Coag could be town all of a sudden?
He voted both Coag and Sidesprang as "policy lynches" Day 2. When he switches to sidesprang as #7th on the vote, he says Coag could be town.
On February 12 2014 06:54 jaybrundage wrote:
I also think Oats is pretty townie sticking his neck out like that. But he had a town read and defended so that looks pretty good on him. I'm not sure about Sidesprang being scum or not. Difficult to read him.
He's not sure about sidesprang either.
So basically, his vote on sidesprang was weak as hell and seems to have been made only because everyone else was on Sidesprang. Unlike other people, who he provides reasons for why they're scummy or townie to him, he basically says nothing about Sidesprang.
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I'm also really really curious to hear what exactly was up with his 'blue claim' on Day 1. I want an answer on this tonight.
Also, Jay you haven't stated who is suspicious to you right now after Day 2. Me, Coag and Sidesprang were the only people you commented on as being scummy. Who are you looking at for Day 3?
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A note to start off with: I am mostly throwing out any interactions with Jonnylaw because I believe he was way too hard of a slam dunk on day1. There's just not enough to go on and fake interactions are easy to keep up with in ONE day. In two days however, not so much, so here are my notes on LoneMeow, Jaybrundage and Hopeless' interactions with Sidesprang. I believe the last scum are within them, and I agree with most of you who are saying Aqua is definitely town.
+ Show Spoiler [Sidesprang interactions] +
Jay -> Sidesprang interactions
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-asks koshi about Suki/Sidesprang
-null on sidesprang
-asks oats about sidesprang
-asks aquanim about sidesprang
-asks LM about sidesprang
-says he will policy lynch him and there's actually a decent chance he's scum (no case)
-says he never intended to follow up with the policy lynch and just wanted to pressure him since he "doesn't have enough content in the thread"
Sidesprang -> Jay interactions
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- weird Q -> jay about me and Koshi
- says he was an easy townread last game but not getting the same feel
- chainsaw defense of jayB/suki vs Oats...
- "i'll give jayB a pass for now since he claimed blue"
- another chainsaw defense of jayB vs alakaslam and then suki
- asks Jay where the pressure is after jay threatens to policy him...
- calls oats scummy for townreading jay (sheep of me)
- calls suki scummy for dropping her jayB push
- calls jayB town along with me and aqua for "blueclaim and N1 play..." wat
Vote comparison
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Jay:
D1 Balla -> Koshi -> Slam -> Suki
D2 Sidesprang -> Coag -> Sidesprang
SS:
D1 Jonnylaw
D2 Coagulation
LM -> Sidesprang interactions
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- Asks Koshi about his conclusion about sidesprang
- Chainsaw defense of sidesprang by attacking oats
- Null on sidesprang in response to JB
- if coag is town, sidesprang might be mafia, he thought he looked towny but now he's far less sure
- asks suki about sidesprang's meta and thinks it looks similar to "titanic 2" where he was town cop
- asks sidesprang to elaborate on everyone else
- asks sidesprang to explain why JB is town.
- asks me if sidesprangs D1 posting = scum and says my case is not super convincing, then when I explain he agrees and votes and says "he wishes he was more confident in this lynch"
SS -> LM interactions
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- Says he will look into LM same time he gives jayB a free pass
- needs to look at LM because he had a HUGE afk
- doesn't see anything scummy but nothing townie either.. not worht looking at this late in the cycle? suddenly after saying he needs to look into him
- null on lonemeow end of d2
Vote comparison
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LM:
D1 Jonnylaw
D2 Coagulation -> Sidesprang
SS:
D1 Jonnylaw
D2 Coagulation
Hopeless -> Sidesprang Interactions
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- explains why he had a townread on oats to sidesprang
- chainsaw defense of sidesprang by attacking suki's meta analysis
- calls sidesprang out for false facts and crushes his jayB town reasoning
SS -> Hopeless interactions
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- Doesn't mind hopeless so far and says he made good points against jayb
- nothing towny or scummy in his filter, doesn't like how he gives oats a townread
- says hopeless didn't really mention jonny and because of that he might be scum
- asks oats why is hopeless town and thinks its scummy for him to be townreading him
- says hopeless is leaning scum after oats/suki/coag
- says again that hope did a cheap vote on jonny
- calls oats out for giving hopeless town cred just cause he voted with no reasoning on jonny
- suddenly says he's null on hopeless because of big ass suki post (even though that was before he called hopeless slightly scummy)
Vote comparison
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Hope:
D1 Jaybrundage -> Jonnylaw
D2 Coag
SS:
D1 Jonnylaw
D2 Coag
The most inconsistent thing I find out of these three is sidesprang's opinion of jay. Beyond that, I find hopeless' opinion of sidesprang pretty non-existent. He's been attacking suki's meta case of sidesprang but not really saying what he thinks about sidesprang. LoneMeow consistently looks like he's trying to find out sidesprang's alignment, whereas the other two don't.
I think the last scum is between those two (jayB and hopeless) for now. Let's first look at what I'm talking about in regards to sidesprang's inconsitent opinion of jay.
On February 10 2014 17:17 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 12:30 suki wrote:
##vote Coagulation
I see that Oats has posted a bunch. I want to hear from Sidesprang. Specifically these questions:
1. Who is your number one lynch at the moment for Day 2 and why?
2. Who is scummy to you?
3. Comments on the Jonny lynch and the events leading up to it.
I'll comment on Oats in the morning when I'm not tired and I really hope to see something from Sidesprang. I would prefer to lynch Oats, reasons being. He hardly mentioned jonny, had no reasons for voting him. Has two suspect townreads (hopeless / JayB). He is also not being very helpfull to town. People who is leaning scum to me is Oats, You, Coag, Hopeless. Pretty much in that order I think. Koshi and Balla lead the lynch, they were too me the two guys looking most towny. Koshi prolly died because of it. 3 guys have votes that they pretty much did not explain. You had Jonny as second lynch (I think), but for some reason was very reluctant to get JayB lynched instead. I feel usualy town when having two scumreads are happy lynching either atleast when its such a landslide in votes. The fact that you are no dropping him completly for the day while having gone that hard for him I don't understand. Anyhow, off too school. I'll check in when I got time.
Here he says that Oats has a suspect townread of jayB (which was basically a sheep of me), doesn't explain why. He also says suki dropping him completely is confusing. Later on he says:
On February 11 2014 15:11 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 03:22 LoneMeow wrote:On February 10 2014 17:17 sidesprang wrote:On February 10 2014 12:30 suki wrote:
##vote Coagulation
I see that Oats has posted a bunch. I want to hear from Sidesprang. Specifically these questions:
1. Who is your number one lynch at the moment for Day 2 and why?
2. Who is scummy to you?
3. Comments on the Jonny lynch and the events leading up to it.
I'll comment on Oats in the morning when I'm not tired and I really hope to see something from Sidesprang. I would prefer to lynch Oats, reasons being. He hardly mentioned jonny, had no reasons for voting him. Has two suspect townreads (hopeless / JayB). He is also not being very helpfull to town. People who is leaning scum to me is Oats, You, Coag, Hopeless. Pretty much in that order I think. Koshi and Balla lead the lynch, they were too me the two guys looking most towny. Koshi prolly died because of it. 3 guys have votes that they pretty much did not explain. You had Jonny as second lynch (I think), but for some reason was very reluctant to get JayB lynched instead. I feel usualy town when having two scumreads are happy lynching either atleast when its such a landslide in votes. The fact that you are no dropping him completly for the day while having gone that hard for him I don't understand. Anyhow, off too school. I'll check in when I got time. There's a few people you don't mention here as either town or scum. What do you think about their alignments and why? I guess it dont hurt to mention the rest of the reads as I think most of the players are on the same page. I'm town on Balla Aqua JayB JayB is town because his blueclaim and his N1 play.
This is his ONLY reasoning for thinking jay is town, this is very alarming for jay because sidesprang has been acting like oats and suki are wrong for town-reading jay, but then he puts him up there with me and Aqua (who have consistently been put at the top of most others townreads).
Sorry guys I actually can't be bothered to continue this analysis atm lol.... i have more kingly matters to attend to. Jay's probably scum. Better explain that blue shit tonight~~ I'll try to continue this during the resolution period.
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If Jay is scum by the way I want you all to apologize for saying my tunnel on Jay was horrible!!!
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I agree with Balla that Hopeless and Jay look the worst going into Day 3.
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The thing that strikes out most about Aquanim is this progression:
On February 11 2014 17:10 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 17:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
He was useful in pyp 4. Caused 2 scum deaths. I dont even know why coag keeps playing when you guys keep shitting on him every game when he doesnt do what you want <shrug> I don't read theme games. And I don't see what's so unreasonable about asking someone to justify their views.
On February 12 2014 06:28 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 04:16 Coagulation wrote:
Aquanim is defending sidesprang hard and making up illogical shit in the process. sidesprang Aquanim scum team
calling it now. You're hilarious Coag. Also, you disgust me... but the fact you're posting anything game-relevant at all is apparently a town-tell. (Much happier with the scum-meta from the PYP LoL game than the others I found.) Imma go take a quick look at Sidesprang again.
On February 12 2014 14:32 Aquanim wrote:
Later on somebody linked LoL PYP (which I hadn't found, since it isn't in the database and I didn't check every game for the last three months) and I thought that game was more reliable as a reference for his scum-meta - since it indeed had him doing sweet fuck all, even less than what I saw in his towngames or what he was doing here, I obtained a townread on Coag on that basis.
There's some cognitive dissonance between the idea that he doesn't want to bother to check the game because it's themed, yet when it's linked to the thread he in fact does read it and use it as reason to swap his vote.
But him being scum would imply a pretty hard bus on D1. I need to look into that but it's bedtime now so that will have to wait until morning.
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No explanation leads me to believe you are ACTUALLY blue...
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EBWOP: Actually CLAIMING blue.
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On February 13 2014 05:25 LoneMeow wrote:The thing that strikes out most about Aquanim is this progression: Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 17:10 Aquanim wrote:On February 11 2014 17:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
He was useful in pyp 4. Caused 2 scum deaths. I dont even know why coag keeps playing when you guys keep shitting on him every game when he doesnt do what you want <shrug> I don't read theme games. And I don't see what's so unreasonable about asking someone to justify their views. Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 06:28 Aquanim wrote:On February 12 2014 04:16 Coagulation wrote:
Aquanim is defending sidesprang hard and making up illogical shit in the process. sidesprang Aquanim scum team
calling it now. You're hilarious Coag. Also, you disgust me... but the fact you're posting anything game-relevant at all is apparently a town-tell. (Much happier with the scum-meta from the PYP LoL game than the others I found.) Imma go take a quick look at Sidesprang again. Show nested quote +On February 12 2014 14:32 Aquanim wrote:
Later on somebody linked LoL PYP (which I hadn't found, since it isn't in the database and I didn't check every game for the last three months) and I thought that game was more reliable as a reference for his scum-meta - since it indeed had him doing sweet fuck all, even less than what I saw in his towngames or what he was doing here, I obtained a townread on Coag on that basis.
There's some cognitive dissonance between the idea that he doesn't want to bother to check the game because it's themed, yet when it's linked to the thread he in fact does read it and use it as reason to swap his vote. But him being scum would imply a pretty hard bus on D1. I need to look into that but it's bedtime now so that will have to wait until morning.
The first post would have been better expressed as "I don't read themed games for recreation", IIRC that's what I meant at the time.
I'm also not greatly keen on them for meta but under the circumstances PYP is the best of a bad lot of games with respect to Coag's scum meta. When needs must and all that.
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EBWOP to the first sentence: Hence why I personally have no idea what happened in PYP 4. It's also why I had no idea Coag had played in LoL PYP until someone linked it.
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If jay is not dead tomorrow we should lynch him.
There were 2 plausible options that I had his blue claim under:
1. He was mafia and trying to gain cred in case he needed to claim a role when about to get lynched (to draw out the real blue role).
2. He was vanilla town and just fake claimed blue to draw a shot or an RB.
There's no way he is actually blue, as as a real blue you would be WAY more careful with how you do that & you would have claimed during resolution period today to get you out of the running for tomorrow.
Depending on his explanation, if he is not dead tomorrow or RB'ed then just lynch him. Personally as mafia I would have killed or RBed him D1, as he did a decent job selling the followup by not commenting on it and I wouldn't want to take the risk of it.
Anyways, my 2cents about it.
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Make your own opinions on it though, cause i'm probably being hasty.
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I don't intend to lynch Jay without thinking about it, but this claim of his is looking sketchier and sketchier.
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On February 13 2014 06:58 Aquanim wrote:
I don't intend to lynch Jay without thinking about it, but this claim of his is looking sketchier and sketchier.
Yep. I didn't mean it to be the be all end all, but definitely something about, and I had to post now so it was kinda rushed.
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As in, I would vote Jay because I thought his play was scummy, not only because of this blueclaim shit.
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EBWOP: something to think about
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is the deadline up yet? can I still say things?
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