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LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 16 2014 10:15 GMT
#1736
To emphasize:

##Vote: Hopeless1der

Consider yourself under pressure, start producing analysis.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 16 2014 10:58 GMT
#1738
On February 16 2014 19:53 Aquanim wrote:
@LoneMeow: Why are you "pressuring" Hopeless at this point?


Because I'm not absolutely certain he's the last scum, so having him talk instead of just leaving his vote on me and disappearing for the rest of the day would be good.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 16 2014 11:17 GMT
#1741
On February 16 2014 20:01 Aquanim wrote:
EBWOP: that wasn't really clear. I'm trying to ask "if not Hopeless, who else are you primarily looking at?"


Well let's see:

Coagulation - I have no idea how to even try to read him, D2 / meta suggests he's town
Oatsmaster - D2 push on sidesprang makes him look town
you - D1 push on JonnyLaw looks town for the votes, but considering how many people were suspecting him at that point without voting... maybe not

So you would be the most likely person to be scum if Hopeless1der is not.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 17 2014 13:21 GMT
#1824
On February 14 2014 17:22 LoneMeow wrote:
Actually, now that I went back and checked the timing of things Aquanim looks very town for the D1 push on JonnyLaw, far more than I originally thought.

When he made this big push to get JonnyLaw lynched the votes, if I'm not mistaken, were like this:

Jaybrundage ( 3 ) : Balla24, Koshi, suki, Hopeless1der, Oatsmaster, Alakaslam
JonnyLaw ( 3 ) : suki, Koshi, Aquanim, Balla24
Alakaslam ( 0 ) : jaybrundage
Sidesprang ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster
suki ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster, Balla24, Jaybrundage
Koshi ( 1 ) : Jaybrundage, JonnyLaw
Balla24 ( 0 ) : Jaybrundage, suki
Aquanim ( 0 ) : Balla24

There's always a slight chance it was a bus given how JonnyLaw was playing and how much suspicion he was getting, but I'd say that he looks town enough for now.


So I checked, the following people were voicing suspicion on JonnyLaw before Aquanim posted his case:
suki
jaybrundage
Balla24
Koshi
myself

So considering the timing, it could very well have been a bus but that's pretty inconclusive.


Aquanim, were you voting Coagulation on D2 because you thought he was scum or because he was a liability?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 17 2014 13:40 GMT
#1825
On February 17 2014 04:20 Hopeless1der wrote:
Like ignore that I'm scummy, look to Oats for your advice since he's going to die tonight if we don't lynch scum. He says I'm town at least...

If there is a tomorrow, it is going to be Coag + whoever doesn't get lynched out of (me/aqua/lm) = 2v1 LYLO. Coag is the undisputed town component here and basically the game will hinge on you to 'pick' the scummer out. My hands are tied, I have to go for LM or Aqua and its going to be like that for the rest of the game. If you want to compromise, fantastic, if not I'll have to see about tryharding some bullshit case together because I would fucking have to.



This is some pretty shifty reasoning. As town, you are here to lynch scum, not try to strategize what keeps you alive. If that forces you to make an unpopular case then so be it.

Also, we don't know for a fact that Oatsmaster is town (even though it seems very likely) - and even if he is town it does not mean he's right about who's town/scum.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 17 2014 13:54 GMT
#1827
On February 17 2014 21:11 Aquanim wrote:
LoneMeow wandered into the thread, put a vote on Hopeless as "pressure" then wandered out. I feel like the time for solely "pressure" votes is well and truly over and this might have been Lone trying to not take some responsibility for this vote. Then again, he has at least justified his vote of Hopeless.


It's a serious vote to lynch scum, but I'm also hoping that since Hopeless1der keeps saying he is super effective active when under pressure it would make him actually post reasoning what he finds scummy about me and whether he's suspicious of anyone else at all.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 17 2014 13:57 GMT
#1828
On February 17 2014 22:42 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 22:21 LoneMeow wrote:
On February 14 2014 17:22 LoneMeow wrote:
Actually, now that I went back and checked the timing of things Aquanim looks very town for the D1 push on JonnyLaw, far more than I originally thought.

When he made this big push to get JonnyLaw lynched the votes, if I'm not mistaken, were like this:

Jaybrundage ( 3 ) : Balla24, Koshi, suki, Hopeless1der, Oatsmaster, Alakaslam
JonnyLaw ( 3 ) : suki, Koshi, Aquanim, Balla24
Alakaslam ( 0 ) : jaybrundage
Sidesprang ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster
suki ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster, Balla24, Jaybrundage
Koshi ( 1 ) : Jaybrundage, JonnyLaw
Balla24 ( 0 ) : Jaybrundage, suki
Aquanim ( 0 ) : Balla24

There's always a slight chance it was a bus given how JonnyLaw was playing and how much suspicion he was getting, but I'd say that he looks town enough for now.


So I checked, the following people were voicing suspicion on JonnyLaw before Aquanim posted his case:
suki
jaybrundage
Balla24
Koshi
myself

So considering the timing, it could very well have been a bus but that's pretty inconclusive.


Aquanim, were you voting Coagulation on D2 because you thought he was scum or because he was a liability?

Both. I thought he was reasonably likely to be scum, and if he was town would likely either be mislynched later or contribute to a mislynch at LYLO - hence, a liability. I'm sure my reasons are in my filter, if you look.


This is the conclusion you came to after reading up on both players:
On February 12 2014 06:28 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 04:16 Coagulation wrote:
Aquanim is defending sidesprang hard and making up illogical shit in the process. sidesprang Aquanim scum team
calling it now.

You're hilarious Coag.

Also, you disgust me... but the fact you're posting anything game-relevant at all is apparently a town-tell. (Much happier with the scum-meta from the PYP LoL game than the others I found.)

Imma go take a quick look at Sidesprang again.


On February 12 2014 06:45 Aquanim wrote:
Ha! Do your worst Coag.

Reading his filter again, it's still marginal but I think there was a significant amount more thought going into his posts in the newbie, rather than just summarising the thread (which more accurately describes here).

Can't say I'm hugely confident in this one but

##Unvote
##Vote: Sidesprang


Give me some kind of idea how strongly you thought each of them was scummy/towny at this point.

Also, why did you feel a need to change your vote if you were unconfident about the lynch, given that it did not affect the outcome?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 17 2014 21:00 GMT
#1849
I'm here now. I'm not exactly happy with Oatsmaster just opting out of the lynch like that. Though with Coagulation's wanting to lynch me for not being here when it's not exactly like he is here either... Meh.

Hopeless1der, did you ever like explain why you think I'm scum besides "he was my weakest town read"?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 17 2014 21:14 GMT
#1854
On February 18 2014 06:00 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2014 22:57 LoneMeow wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:42 Aquanim wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:21 LoneMeow wrote:
On February 14 2014 17:22 LoneMeow wrote:
Actually, now that I went back and checked the timing of things Aquanim looks very town for the D1 push on JonnyLaw, far more than I originally thought.

When he made this big push to get JonnyLaw lynched the votes, if I'm not mistaken, were like this:

Jaybrundage ( 3 ) : Balla24, Koshi, suki, Hopeless1der, Oatsmaster, Alakaslam
JonnyLaw ( 3 ) : suki, Koshi, Aquanim, Balla24
Alakaslam ( 0 ) : jaybrundage
Sidesprang ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster
suki ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster, Balla24, Jaybrundage
Koshi ( 1 ) : Jaybrundage, JonnyLaw
Balla24 ( 0 ) : Jaybrundage, suki
Aquanim ( 0 ) : Balla24

There's always a slight chance it was a bus given how JonnyLaw was playing and how much suspicion he was getting, but I'd say that he looks town enough for now.


So I checked, the following people were voicing suspicion on JonnyLaw before Aquanim posted his case:
suki
jaybrundage
Balla24
Koshi
myself

So considering the timing, it could very well have been a bus but that's pretty inconclusive.


Aquanim, were you voting Coagulation on D2 because you thought he was scum or because he was a liability?

Both. I thought he was reasonably likely to be scum, and if he was town would likely either be mislynched later or contribute to a mislynch at LYLO - hence, a liability. I'm sure my reasons are in my filter, if you look.


This is the conclusion you came to after reading up on both players:
On February 12 2014 06:28 Aquanim wrote:
On February 12 2014 04:16 Coagulation wrote:
Aquanim is defending sidesprang hard and making up illogical shit in the process. sidesprang Aquanim scum team
calling it now.

You're hilarious Coag.

Also, you disgust me... but the fact you're posting anything game-relevant at all is apparently a town-tell. (Much happier with the scum-meta from the PYP LoL game than the others I found.)

Imma go take a quick look at Sidesprang again.


On February 12 2014 06:45 Aquanim wrote:
Ha! Do your worst Coag.

Reading his filter again, it's still marginal but I think there was a significant amount more thought going into his posts in the newbie, rather than just summarising the thread (which more accurately describes here).

Can't say I'm hugely confident in this one but

##Unvote
##Vote: Sidesprang


Give me some kind of idea how strongly you thought each of them was scummy/towny at this point.

Also, why did you feel a need to change your vote if you were unconfident about the lynch, given that it did not affect the outcome?

Pretty sure that's in my filter too. I thought Sidesprang was significantly more likely to flip scum at that point but it still wouldn't have utterly shocked me for Coag to do so.

As for why I changed my vote... pretty sure I've covered this too. Suffice it to say that I prefer my vote to be on the person I want to lynch at the end of the day, regardless of whether it's necessary. Keeps things simple.


Right, the story checks out, nothing here that would make you look scummy.

Do you think there's a chance both wagons may have been on scum?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 17 2014 21:19 GMT
#1858
On February 18 2014 06:17 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2014 06:14 LoneMeow wrote:
On February 18 2014 06:00 Aquanim wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:57 LoneMeow wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:42 Aquanim wrote:
On February 17 2014 22:21 LoneMeow wrote:
On February 14 2014 17:22 LoneMeow wrote:
Actually, now that I went back and checked the timing of things Aquanim looks very town for the D1 push on JonnyLaw, far more than I originally thought.

When he made this big push to get JonnyLaw lynched the votes, if I'm not mistaken, were like this:

Jaybrundage ( 3 ) : Balla24, Koshi, suki, Hopeless1der, Oatsmaster, Alakaslam
JonnyLaw ( 3 ) : suki, Koshi, Aquanim, Balla24
Alakaslam ( 0 ) : jaybrundage
Sidesprang ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster
suki ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster, Balla24, Jaybrundage
Koshi ( 1 ) : Jaybrundage, JonnyLaw
Balla24 ( 0 ) : Jaybrundage, suki
Aquanim ( 0 ) : Balla24

There's always a slight chance it was a bus given how JonnyLaw was playing and how much suspicion he was getting, but I'd say that he looks town enough for now.


So I checked, the following people were voicing suspicion on JonnyLaw before Aquanim posted his case:
suki
jaybrundage
Balla24
Koshi
myself

So considering the timing, it could very well have been a bus but that's pretty inconclusive.


Aquanim, were you voting Coagulation on D2 because you thought he was scum or because he was a liability?

Both. I thought he was reasonably likely to be scum, and if he was town would likely either be mislynched later or contribute to a mislynch at LYLO - hence, a liability. I'm sure my reasons are in my filter, if you look.


This is the conclusion you came to after reading up on both players:
On February 12 2014 06:28 Aquanim wrote:
On February 12 2014 04:16 Coagulation wrote:
Aquanim is defending sidesprang hard and making up illogical shit in the process. sidesprang Aquanim scum team
calling it now.

You're hilarious Coag.

Also, you disgust me... but the fact you're posting anything game-relevant at all is apparently a town-tell. (Much happier with the scum-meta from the PYP LoL game than the others I found.)

Imma go take a quick look at Sidesprang again.


On February 12 2014 06:45 Aquanim wrote:
Ha! Do your worst Coag.

Reading his filter again, it's still marginal but I think there was a significant amount more thought going into his posts in the newbie, rather than just summarising the thread (which more accurately describes here).

Can't say I'm hugely confident in this one but

##Unvote
##Vote: Sidesprang


Give me some kind of idea how strongly you thought each of them was scummy/towny at this point.

Also, why did you feel a need to change your vote if you were unconfident about the lynch, given that it did not affect the outcome?

Pretty sure that's in my filter too. I thought Sidesprang was significantly more likely to flip scum at that point but it still wouldn't have utterly shocked me for Coag to do so.

As for why I changed my vote... pretty sure I've covered this too. Suffice it to say that I prefer my vote to be on the person I want to lynch at the end of the day, regardless of whether it's necessary. Keeps things simple.


Right, the story checks out, nothing here that would make you look scummy.

Do you think there's a chance both wagons may have been on scum?

...Also in my filter. I think Oats asked me at some point.

I think it's conceivable - in that case there wouldn't have been any scum with thread presence trying to drive a lynch on a townie, so there's no exceptionally good reason why a two-scum-wagon day should be impossible.


Sorry, the question was a bit badly formed: What I meant to ask was whether there's anything about the play of Coagulation/sidesprang that would make it more/less likely?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 17 2014 21:23 GMT
#1860
On February 18 2014 06:18 Aquanim wrote:
What is the purpose behind these questions LoneMeow?


Mainly to get more insight on your thought process.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 17 2014 21:24 GMT
#1861
On February 13 2014 03:07 Hopeless1der wrote:
Pretty Colors

Show nested quote +
On February 09 2014 06:28 Toadesstern wrote:
Votecount:

JonnyLaw ( 8 ) : suki, Koshi, Aquanim, Balla24, Oatsmaster, LoneMeow, Hopeless1der, Sidesprang, Hopeless1der, Coagulation
suki ( 1 ) : Oatsmaster, Balla24, jaybrundage
Koshi ( 1 ) : jaybrundage, JonnyLaW
jaybrundage ( 1 ) : Balla24, Koshi, suki, Hopeless1der, Oatsmaster, Coagulation

Balla24 ( 0 ) : Jaybrundage, suki
Aquanim ( 0 ) : Balla24
Coagulation ( 0 ) : jaybrundage, Hopeless1der
Sidesprang ( 0 ) : Oatsmaster

DAY1 VCA:
My weaker townreads/ (only) scumread are the following players:
Aqua LM Jay Suki


Things to note:
  • Suki vs JayB
  • Did Aqua or LM appear to be bussing Jonny?


Show nested quote +
[B]On February 12 2014 06:55 Toadesstern wrote:
Votecount:

Sidesprang ( 7 ) : Oatsmaster, Jaybrundage, Coagulation, suki, Balla24, LoneMeow, Aquanim, jaybrundage
Coagulation ( 2 ) : Suki, Aquanim, LoneMeow, jaybrundage, Hopeless1der, sidesprang, Aquanim

Oatsmaster ( 0 ) : Balla24, Aquanim

  • Did Aqua or LM appear to be bussing sidesprang?
  • Suki 'needed to give jay some space'
  • Did jay deliver re: above? Was his vote on sprang contrived or did it seem genuine?


So what are your conclusions to the emphasized questions? What's the purpose of writing them if you don't expect anyone to answer and don't post any analysis yourself?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 17 2014 21:27 GMT
#1864
On February 18 2014 06:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'm not the type of player to cram my reads down your throat. I try to gently show you evidence and let you draw conclusions. Giving you the votecounts is a base point to then consider what the wagons show, and then weighing that against my scumreads.


Yes, but what I'm asking is whether you ever found any evidence for or against the bus scenarios you mention?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 17 2014 22:01 GMT
#1888
Phew, good job Aquanim.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 17 2014 22:02 GMT
#1890
I was actually getting very convinced that Aquanim was town and would have pushed Coagulation next if we had mislynched Hopeless1der, that 180 on reads looked so much like posturing to look better after mislynch...
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 17 2014 22:04 GMT
#1896
For funsies, this was the first thing I wrote in my notes when I caught up with the game:


town:
- Balla24

maybe scum:
- jaybrundage
- suki

scum:
- JonnyLaw

scrutiny:
- Oatsmaster
- Hopeless1der
- sidesprang
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 17 2014 22:09 GMT
#1904
Thanks to Artanis[Xp] and Toadsstern for hosting.

Super massive big thanks to BlazingHand for being awesome coach.

Sorry for being somewhat afk at times, I've been working 7 days a week, 10 hours a day but I really wanted to participate since who knows when the next opportunity like this appears - think I learned something here. At least my filter was bigger than ever before!
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 17 2014 22:50 GMT
#1921
On February 18 2014 07:36 suki wrote:
I humbly apologize to both Jay and LoneMeow for my incessant tunneling of both of you. I didn't mean it! I really thought you both were scum~~~


No worries, it's not like I didn't tunnel you into a mislynch... Sorry about that

For future reference, I was actually getting worried about the lynch when you were actively talking back to me and trying to convince people it was a mislynch, but then you gave up - if you had continued to protest your innocence and perhaps made just a small concession into analyzing others than just me I might've tried to derail the wagon near deadline. Though it would still have been a mislynch, since I would have tried to push Hopeless1der as the alternative.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 17 2014 22:59 GMT
#1925
On February 18 2014 07:57 suki wrote:
Also I didn't really know what to say to defend myself. A lot of the points brought up against me were true, things like soft defending Jonny, some of the contradictions.

It felt like people just had this image of my scum being totally godlike when if you look at how I played these last three town games vs the scum game people are referring to, my playstyle, attitude etc are completely different. But of course when I try to explain that the response was 'well, suki knows these things about her play so she can compensate for it' so it felt like fighting a losing battle.


I think some wise coach once told me to not bother too much defending and instead just post as much analysis as possible. Even if it does not save you it will be useful to the remaining townies after your flip.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
February 17 2014 23:06 GMT
#1928
On February 18 2014 08:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Overall though, I think the town played a great game. Coag actually played a great scumgame too; he derailed a perfect town atmosphere and got people to read him as town while doing it. I feel that if Coag kept posting the way he did on D2, he would've probably won the game.


Coagulation actually really managed to disturb things.

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 10 2014 15:31 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 15:17 LoneMeow wrote:
On February 10 2014 15:08 Coagulation wrote:
because all game hes preaching how im auto scum and then he votes someone else.


This is really all you get from his 7-page filter? You do realize that if you play like this we will have to ensure you die before LYLO?


NO SHIT thats why I asked for a vigi shot.
You know the only difference between me and you is that I at least admit I havnt done anything.




That made me actually surprisingly angry, given that I was trying very hard this game and thought I had actually produced some analysis. Made it hard to trust my own reads on him because I thought I might be biased.
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