EPTIf Alakaslam were building a complete argument that you were scummy and putting down a vote, I'd expect to see reference to the rest of your filter. Since he wasn't, I don't expect it.
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Aquanim
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If Alakaslam were building a complete argument that you were scummy and putting down a vote, I'd expect to see reference to the rest of your filter. Since he wasn't, I don't expect it. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On February 08 2014 12:27 suki wrote: So right now you think Slam, Koshiand me are the most scummy (and in that order) and you'd be willing to lynch any three of us? No one else is looking scummy to you? I have no plans to tunnel Koshi you can do it your self if you want. I think Slam Koshi and you are all scummy yes. I think jonny could be scum and I'm null on sidesprang. But its very possible he could be scum. Process of elimination baby  | ||
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suki
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JayB said Koshi is scum but I don't plan on writing a case on him. How is this pro-town at all? | ||
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Balla24
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On February 08 2014 11:22 jaybrundage wrote: Guys I don't wanna go thru this again we shouldn't be trying to lynch me. I'm a true-blue townie. This better not be a real blue claim. It's too obvious for me to just ignore and hope that scum doesn't see it like I would normally do with a soft-claim. | ||
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suki
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If you still think this is coming from a town Jay please speak up and tell me my case on him isn't any good. | ||
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suki
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There will be sprinkles. | ||
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Aquanim
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On February 08 2014 12:41 suki wrote: Are all you people on the fence about Jay reading this? If you still think this is coming from a town Jay please speak up and tell me my case on him isn't any good. My current opinion on Jay is "don't like his play so far, but he is at least posting cases and appears to give a damn about the game. My read on him will improve with time, so I'd prefer to lynch Jonny who's done f-all and does not appear to give a damn about finding scum." Do you have a single, unified case on Jay? If so I couldn't find it. | ||
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suki
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On February 08 2014 12:49 Aquanim wrote: My current opinion on Jay is "don't like his play so far, but he is at least posting cases and appears to give a damn about the game. My read on him will improve with time, so I'd prefer to lynch Jonny who's done f-all and does not appear to give a damn about finding scum." Do you have a single, unified case on Jay? If so I couldn't find it. Please do tell where he is posting cases. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
Wow If your gonna do the same shit Hopeless1der did as scum then how about this. DON'T FUCKING PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH ##Unvote ##Vote Suki | ||
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suki
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But since you asked so nicely, here are the relevant posts: + Show Spoiler + On February 08 2014 03:29 suki wrote: Jay's play in previous games: + Show Spoiler + Scum in Roulette Mini Mafia On June 04 2013 09:13 jaybrundage wrote: So im down with the whole claim role thing. But if the scum can also get the roles it doesnt really lead us to any lynches. But i guess the point of it would be transparency and all that jazz. I hate playing with people i never played with before I cant rely on previous experiences  Also if anyone has not played with me I would suggest reading a previous game or two I play rather..... unorthodox (I occasionally be hardcore lynchbait D:)Kinda all over the place but I always feel like day 1 is just typing shit until someone says something questionable. Then the Rage-arguments take place :D self-consciousness. On June 05 2013 05:55 jaybrundage wrote: Maybe you missed the post where i said to go look at previous games. I said that im often lynch bait because its true. As town i often get mislynched. I prefer for people to know this and take at look at my play rather then straight up die as town for my play. Me poking someone with a stick is not pressure. The fact that you have that in your case shows how weak it is. Besides the fact that your just piggy backing of someone elses post. The fact that you think a joke post is the scummiest post as of yet just shows your lack of a real case. #Vote S0lstice self-consciousness. On June 05 2013 10:59 jaybrundage wrote: Well how would you start day 1. I stuggle day one because there is no content to go off of. And the whole purpose is to create content. excuses. Scum in British Empire Mini Mafia II On March 05 2013 19:31 jaybrundage wrote: Meh, don't like that we already have an outed blue already. But whatever, no reason crying over spilled claims. Not sure what I think about the early votes. Its prolly people fooling around OR SCUM TRYING TO GET AN EASY LYNCH o.o Buuuuut prolly za jokes. Also scum Yamato did this last game. And he got away with it D: YOU KNOW THIS AND STILL VOTE ME QQ joking attitude with mislynch comment. On March 06 2013 11:01 jaybrundage wrote: I saw this coming. People would comment on how i wanted to lynch Dandel but now my votes on thrawn. I wanted to vote dandel because of his complete lack of content in his posts. He (finally) started putting in at least some effort with going for Vivax. Which is a plus. He isn't a townie read my any means. But I completly forgot about thrawn. When you mentioned him I remembered Lamp and his meta case on Thrawn as scum super lurking. That is exactly the case here. Once thrawn found out his role pm he legit stopped posting. He lurked super hard and attributed it to life reasons. Ill be damned if thrawn doesnt come back and give the same excuse. Also if you recall Hapa I was going after DP and then you had a read on him so i backed down eventually I didn't want to do a 180 then because i was worried about how it would look. But if you have a town read on Vivax I respect that and wouldn't want to go against your reads regardless. On March 06 2013 11:25 jaybrundage wrote: I wasn't confident in my reads. I wanted to act like i was to try to put more pressure on them (dandel, vivax) Never have been big on questioning my scum reads tbh. Thats more your forte. My reckoning is if someone is scum they wont give any satisfactory answers anyway. But ill try it out. As for going with the flow. Your right. I prefer to go with people's reads I have a town read on. I have done this to death palmar and even you at points in games. I hate day 1 for a reason. There is no concrete information to go on. self-consciousness. Town in Nomination Mafia On February 08 2013 13:52 jaybrundage wrote: In regards to the bold isnt that what everyone does? In all seriousness there isn't much to say about JX. JX was lurking hard and didn't contribute anything till some pressure was on him and even then he didn't produce much. I was having second thoughts about him per palmars post but no one wanted to lynch prplhz. I dont care if i bring your comments on Oats back to the limelight. If I think something you did was questionable I will call it out. You stated something I didn't agree with so I said as much. And are you fucking kidding me with this consolidation bit. Ofc we have to consolidate as town. If we don't it gives mafia more leeway to swing the vote. Also you your self were asking people to consolidate on JX so how is what you say even make sense. Also why do you ask if im a bad townie. Why not just ask if people think I'm scum? Notice how he doesn't really defend himself, he just shoots back a question. On February 08 2013 14:35 jaybrundage wrote: I fail to see anything in your response that indicates im scum. The mislynch occurred cause JX was lurking hard till pressure was applied to him. And he didn't respond in a townie way. I once heard a good town player say. That for the day one lynch the only thing you need to do as town is to make sure you aren't the jackass that gets lynched. You usually have to play badly for it to happen. Also yes I prefered JX to die over Palmar wasn't that clear. Your issue with consolidation isn't a real issue. It was the end of the day and I asked people to consolidate. Again, he doesn't excuse his play he re-iterates his reasoning. On February 08 2013 23:46 jaybrundage wrote: To give you some quick context. I am the best mislynch na. I used to get lynched about 90 percent of my games, though I have improved a bit cause people were getting used to my meta aka being scummy as fuck as town. I usually lurk hard as scum and get spammy as town. But this game I don't wanna get overly spammy as it makes me look scummy lol. Questions? He is best mislynch NA. But it's not in the joking manner as before. His tone is more serious. Town in Normal Mini Mafia IV On January 30 2013 09:16 jaybrundage wrote: This is your pressure vote are you fucking srs? Or do you actually think im scum Questions when he's pressure voted rather than defensive or instant counter attack. On January 30 2013 10:24 jaybrundage wrote: What the hell are you talking about. God forbid I have more then one scum read. Sharrant and JX are both scummy. Yes JX voted thrawn early but it doesn't make all his scummy actions irrelevant. Also Iamp also had JX as a scummy read. I have Lamp as a town read and i give his opinion some weight in my decisions. That is primarily why I started rereading filters and such to see if i could see what he said about Sharrant and JX. Note the confident attitude. Town (Fake doctor? XD) in our previous Shadowed Mini Mafia On February 04 2014 12:24 jaybrundage wrote: Oh I answered all those questions in my Google spreadsheet already. I ll post what I got on you guys so far. Its not all up to date on the recent things that happened. 1. Balla24 Town I like him so far very aggressive and making discussion and seems like a real player in this game 2. Sidesprang Bleh One post so far I knew he would be a candidate for a policy lynch and hes confirming that. 3. Alakaslam Posted 2 things with no content so far 4. cakemanofdoom no content There is quite a bit of things in the game atm and he chooses to comment on suki saying thats nice. Pretty lackluster choice 5. LoneMeow slightly scummy His first post sucked I don't like it at all and might be down to vote him just based on that. He followed up with basic policy stuff. I dont like him so far 6. Jaybrundage The towniest town that ever towned 7. Hopeless1der Meh we argued a bit over nothing hasn't posted any content tho so much is going on in the thread where did he go? 8. Oatsmaster Hasn't posted yet. I think at the start of the game is pretty late for him tho 9. JonnyLaw Pretty waffly at the start. He is posting but he doesn't seem to have firm convictions. He didn't liike Balla early but he has played with baller 3-2 times with him being scum so his suspicion is warrented. He hasn't produced much content tho he just seems like going with the flow 10. Suki scummy I don't like suki so far she just seems like she has no real motivation behind her posting. Her poke at jonnys waffleing was ok but then when balla inquired about it she said she never said she implied hes scum or anything LIke wtf? Why poke at someone but have no real reason behind it. It would seem that she didn't understand him but then she didn't say that she got very defensive. Said she didn't see anything with LM posting slight defending I dont like her atm 11. Koshi Posted some generic lets post alot then disappeared No waffling here, no excuses on 'I can't get reads easy in D1' On February 05 2014 02:15 jaybrundage wrote: I understood them in the sense that you think im scummy and don't like some of my posts. However why you thought they were scummy is a mystery to me. I would love to hear your thinking. I still adhere to the fact that if you can't see someone's username and see who is posting what. That your reads are going to be terrible. I hope you can read the game knowing who is posting what. Confidence. No heavy defense, no excuses. On February 05 2014 12:13 jaybrundage wrote: I have no need to defend oats. Oats can do that himself. I liked the case in general. Why should I nitpick when I have no need too. Can I not agree with a case? I liked the case. Its that simple. I agree with the case. I dont see how you don't get it. Yes I changed my read on suki. I'm trying to figure out the game. She made a good case so more likely to be town. More confidence. Jay's play this game: + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote: It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. excuses. On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote: I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D Immediate counter attack. Something tells me town Jay would be more likely to say "Can you explain why I feel off?" and prod with questions. In other words, his townie confidence is missing. On February 07 2014 08:55 jaybrundage wrote: Suki. Being aggressive does not =! equal scum. I am scum hunting. Why are you voting me. Instead of reading up on my case and seeing if it has merit. You asked me how I was going to change my approach this game. I said it was going to try to do more pressuring and scum hunting. I am doing that. Should I not want to lynch scum this game. Your question doesn't make sense. It is not that they are in the first four people in the game that I have targeted them. I have targeted balla and Koshi because I find them the most likely to be scum. I think Jonny on the other hand is hella townie atm. Self consciousness. Defensive, trying to provide reasons for the way he is playing. On February 07 2014 11:44 jaybrundage wrote: I can't win with this town. If I give advice and try to make well thought out posts. Then I'm giving advice and I'm not scum hunting enough. If I actively try to scum hunt and push things I think are scummy. Then I'm scummy for unknown reasons. Pretty frustrating. This is new. I don't think I've seen frustration in his previous games so I don't have a meta read on what this means. The thing that comes to mind is if he was confident townie he probably wouldn't care that people are calling him scummy and would question them right back in their faces. Joking tone that's present in his scum games when he mentions he's #1 mislynch. On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote: Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true. Self-conscious. This sort of thing doesn't show up in his town games. + Show Spoiler + just look at this quote from the previous game: On February 05 2014 11:49 jaybrundage wrote: Yes I thought suki was scummy before. Her thing about not calling Jonny scum but interesting or what ever word she used did bother me. She just seemed to have no point to your posts. However with her case on Oats it showed that she wasn't just trying to appear to be posting. She actually was analyzing the game and looking for scum. So my read turned on her. Is it possible she's scum that noticed she was getting heat and decided to post a case? Sure possible. But I think the most likely possibility at this point is town. I don't remember Oats too well in my previous games. He was never someone I really suspected. He can be hard to draw a bead on sometimes. Not a huge poster mostly short clip comments. I even had to go back and look briefly at the LoL PYP game. I think the case made good points I hadn't noticed before. Oats was not on my lynch list before Suki posted her case. And she made a good enough case for me to consider lynching him. Also I felt the reason to make my own case because I want to contribute to the town. I didn't plan to just sheep Suki's read and just say yea I like all this Ill join. Because I wanted to post my own analysis I got's me an ego you know. Also by posting other scummy people we can choose as a town who we want to go for based on the information we have. Notice how his reasons for finding me scummy were weak, however he doesn't say 'Oh yeah my reasons for thinking suki was scummy weren't that great.' he simply states what he thought. Ie. Confidence. On February 07 2014 13:50 jaybrundage wrote: Does what I said make sense to you from a town perspective now? Why does he care that other people think he's town? Again, self-conscious, lack of confidence. On February 08 2014 02:24 jaybrundage wrote: Yea Balla is leaning town for me atm. I still think Koshi could be scum but everyone shitting on my push on him, means that the push wasn't not as good as I thought it was. So I won't be pushing him now and will try to get reads on other people. excuses. Huh. I think I've just convinced myself Jay is pretty damn scummy. Also I noticed how in the town examples above, Jay has no problem asking people why they think he's scum, or confirming that they their read on him is that he's scum. In this game he'd rather defend himself than confirm someone's scum read or call them out on it. On February 08 2014 07:00 suki wrote: Yeah you mentioned this: And I noticed it in my meta analysis too.. Frustration is something that I haven't seen from Jay before. But like.. This just.. He's just giving excuses. + Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 13:11 jaybrundage wrote: Ok so this makes alot more sense. You were not saying my initial response to Koshi's vote on my post was scummy. You think my response to him validating the seriousness of his vote was scummy. Ok so let me go thru my reasoning. So Koshi comes back after I dismiss his post and responds with that his vote is "very real" However where he should put a reason about why his vote is real. He instead just says "you feel off." So this is in hindsight perhaps where I may have misread Koshi's intention with that post. It might have been a joke post and he wasn't being serious. But what I thought was that Koshi actually thought I was scum. He said the vote was real... Twice. So I assumed that he was serious and voting me with the intention that he thought I was scum. At this point I believe that I was making up my case on why Koshi's first post not being excited was scummy. So I was already thinking that Koshi was mafia. This just firmed that in my mind. I had brushed off his vote on me as not being serious. So when he does say its serious he gives me the reason why. The reason is "You feel off" That was it. This is a very noncommittal answer and I think it reeks of scum. I had no reason to ask for why he voted me cause he already provided it it was "You feel off." So instead of asking him I dissected why I thought this post was scummy. Does my thinking make sense? And even when I did ask Koshi why he felt i was off. He never expanded on it. Also you confused me originally with what you said in your post If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. But you were not talking about my reaction to the fake votes. You were talking about my reaction to Koshi's explanation that his vote was real. and this.. so much backtracking. Like... uughh. In Shadowed Mafia he was top 2 lynch target and he was nothing like this. On February 08 2014 07:09 suki wrote: By the way in my first Mafia game ever, I rolled scum and got lynched Day 1. One of the things that happened was I made some contradiction that people were all calling me out on, and I thought really hard about a way to explain it so it wasn't contradictory. So then I posted my defense, and people were like yeah I guess that sounds reasonable but we're going to lynch you anyways because you're the most scummy. Afterwards, people were telling me that my defense almost had them convinced and that's where I think people were telling me that they thought I would be a good mafia player. Sooo in short, JayB being able to explain away his crappy early activity is not a townie point. The fact that he wastes so much effort defending himself and explaining him is a point against him, as per my meta analysis. On February 08 2014 11:58 suki wrote: The only scum hunting I see from you is a refusal to let go of a bad tunnel on Koshi and a policy lynch on a lurker. What are your thoughts on Jonny? What are your thoughts on Oats and LoneMeow? Who else do you find scummy? Why aren't you pushing a Koshi lynch because 'he's not on the menu'? As I recall, last game people were mostly on LoneMeow right at the deadline, and a few people hopped off LM and onto you. The vote count was: LoneMeow (4): Koshi, suki, Balla, jay Jay (4): Hopeless, Alakaslam, Jonny, LoneMeow Koshi (1): cakeman And you decided to unvote LoneMeow and start a push on Koshi. At the very last minute. I realize that at the time you didn't know what the vote count was and you didn't realize that voting Koshi would get you lynched. However, the point is that even with Koshi not having many votes on him and mixed sentiments across the board about his alignment, you had no problem switching to your most preferred scum target. This game, there's still about 20 hours to the lynch and you're already like 'nope nothing I can do to convince people Koshi is scum guess I'll just vote slam'. I really want to hear some good analysis because right now all I see are excuses. On February 08 2014 12:24 suki wrote: Consider this a request for you to "continue tunneling' Koshi. LoneMeow and Jonny are unsure of Koshi's alignment, and LoneMeow is townie to you. What things about Koshi's play recently make you think he's scummy? On February 08 2014 12:27 suki wrote: So right now you think Slam, Koshiand me are the most scummy (and in that order) and you'd be willing to lynch any three of us? No one else is looking scummy to you? On February 08 2014 12:35 jaybrundage wrote: I have no plans to tunnel Koshi you can do it your self if you want. I think Slam Koshi and you are all scummy yes. I think jonny could be scum and I'm null on sidesprang. But its very possible he could be scum. Process of elimination baby | ||
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Aquanim
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Well there were his cases on Koshi and Alakaslam. I didn't say they were good cases, but they exist. He committed to at least two reads and gave some reasons. | ||
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suki
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If you are town Jay I deeply apologize. However I think the only thing that will convince me of that is seeing you bleed green. All my points against you aside, when I ask you for a scum read I expect a scum read. Not some flaky excuse that you don't want to do it. I don't see any analysis going on here. Just excuses and OMGUS. | ||
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suki
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He thinks I'm scummy but he won't elaborate or try to get people to see why I'm scummy. He has one case on slam, and everyone else that he found scummy he's waiting on them to contribute more. He had no problem writing a giant case on Koshi with red letters 2 hours into the game using pre-game quotes, but 31 pages into the game his next greatest contribution is a 2 paragraph post on Slam. | ||
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suki
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I feel bad for pushing on Jay this much but honestly I was expecting a different response. I'll be back later. I would like everyone to post their thoughts on JayB because if he gets lynched tomorrow it's going to look very stupid to not have taken a stance on him. | ||
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Alakaslam
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On February 08 2014 12:41 suki wrote: Are all you people on the fence about Jay reading this? If you still think this is coming from a town Jay please speak up and tell me my case on him isn't any good. Alright I'll find it in your filter and read it then. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On February 08 2014 13:03 suki wrote: Hmm.. If you are town Jay I deeply apologize. However I think the only thing that will convince me of that is seeing you bleed green. All my points against you aside, when I ask you for a scum read I expect a scum read. Not some flaky excuse that you don't want to do it. I don't see any analysis going on here. Just excuses and OMGUS. Look who's talking. All I have been seeing from you is lying about what i said and tunneling. Your points are terrible. If on the chance your town. Then your just jonny 2.0 I am going to ignore you because you aren't being logical. BUT if you twist my words again. I WILL do my best to get you lynched. | ||
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jaybrundage
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On February 08 2014 13:11 suki wrote: Anyways I think I'm done here. I feel bad for pushing on Jay this much but honestly I was expecting a different response. I'll be back later. I would like everyone to post their thoughts on JayB because if he gets lynched tomorrow it's going to look very stupid to not have taken a stance on him. Suki I'll make this clear I'm not getting lyncyhed. So move on. | ||
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I've given you lots of chances. I've asked you for reads. What am I supposed to think now? JayB said BUT if you twist my words again, I WILL get my scumbuddies to shoot you in the night Go on. Try to get me lynched. I dare you. | ||
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Alakaslam
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On February 08 2014 07:09 suki wrote: By the way in my first Mafia game ever, I rolled scum and got lynched Day 1. One of the things that happened was I made some contradiction that people were all calling me out on, and I thought really hard about a way to explain it so it wasn't contradictory. So then I posted my defense, and people were like yeah I guess that sounds reasonable but we're going to lynch you anyways because you're the most scummy. Afterwards, people were telling me that my defense almost had them convinced and that's where I think people were telling me that they thought I would be a good mafia player. Sooo in short, JayB being able to explain away his crappy early activity is not a townie point. The fact that he wastes so much effort defending himself and explaining him is a point against him, as per my meta analysis. You and hurricane sponge wouldn't get along all that well XD All he ever had me do when I was up for suspicion was defend, I refused on these grounds and was mislynched later. Is this the case you were talking about? | ||
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