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On February 07 2014 08:54 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:41 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 08:33 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not? Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1. On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it. Your first post was obviously pre-written. It's not "icky" but it's not alignment indicative. You'd post the same thing as scum or town. The sections you highlighted in his posts make me feel wary. They're scummy sure. Does that make him scum? On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it. Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum". I actually agree with Jay here. I don't give a shit about votes an hour into the game. 1. That's interesting to me because that's literally what you always jump on as town is people making excuses for their play. But at least you are wary. 2. That's not the point. Think about your reaction if someone just random votes you without explaining anything. You either think it's trolly or you think "wtf". If it's trolly you basically ignore it, which jb started to do. If you think wtf, you become curious and try to understand wtf they are thinking, and SPECIFICALLY if they have actually think they see something or not. After he thinks their real, he basically goes "WTF" and goes HAM on koshi for being non-commital. NOWHERE does he show a curious, townie, scum-hunting mindset but instead just straight up attacks him. He doesn't ask what is that "feels off", he just says that saying that is scummy.I would seriously expect him to think harder about what Koshi is doing. That's the most important part of your post. Anyone who calls jay scum must be scum. Easy defense. Jay looks scummy. So does Koshi. Honestly you've done nothing to show otherwise either.
I don't understand what you're saying, sorry. The bold says "anyone who calls jay scum must be scum?". I'm not seeing the flow here, could you re-state or something?
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On February 07 2014 08:59 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:19 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 08:14 Koshi wrote:
Are you shaking or something jayB? Or did you steal Alakaslam his phone? My hands are cold.  Thank you for your concern my scum friend. Anyway you said I feel off do you want to expand on that?I'm still working on your case so don't worry about that. You claim I'm scummy but your not even reading my posts
That's because this isn't at all what I was speaking about, and it happens AFTER the fact.
This is the post i'm talking about:
On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D
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On February 07 2014 09:00 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:59 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 08:54 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 08:41 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 08:33 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not? Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1. On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it. Your first post was obviously pre-written. It's not "icky" but it's not alignment indicative. You'd post the same thing as scum or town. The sections you highlighted in his posts make me feel wary. They're scummy sure. Does that make him scum? On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it. Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum". I actually agree with Jay here. I don't give a shit about votes an hour into the game. 1. That's interesting to me because that's literally what you always jump on as town is people making excuses for their play. But at least you are wary. 2. That's not the point. Think about your reaction if someone just random votes you without explaining anything. You either think it's trolly or you think "wtf". If it's trolly you basically ignore it, which jb started to do. If you think wtf, you become curious and try to understand wtf they are thinking, and SPECIFICALLY if they have actually think they see something or not. After he thinks their real, he basically goes "WTF" and goes HAM on koshi for being non-commital. NOWHERE does he show a curious, townie, scum-hunting mindset but instead just straight up attacks him. He doesn't ask what is that "feels off", he just says that saying that is scummy.I would seriously expect him to think harder about what Koshi is doing. That's the most important part of your post. Anyone who calls jay scum must be scum. Easy defense. Jay looks scummy. So does Koshi. Honestly you've done nothing to show otherwise either. I don't understand what you're saying, sorry. The bold says "anyone who calls jay scum must be scum?". I'm not seeing the flow here, could you re-state or something? Jay instantly attacks his attacker.
Got it, so you changed your mind and agree with me? ^_^
Also, jay, I don't want to tunnel you any longer but please, if you are going to accuse me of not reading your posts then at least read mine fully. I get the impression that you didn't even read what I wrote about you at the start of this whole mess.
On February 07 2014 07:59 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not? Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1. On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it. You should catch up on the thread. This post is already outdated.
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On February 07 2014 09:03 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:57 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 08:48 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 08:41 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 08:33 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 07 2014 07:58 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:28 suki wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
Legitimate question. Jay, since you're 0.29% more likely to be scum than me, and since you were the top 2 Day 1 lynch in the previous game, how do you plan to play differently in order to avoid being targeted for lynch this game? It might be a rough game. I tryharded the shit out of last game. And jonny wanted to lynch me cause I was "acting" like town. I guess the first thing would be too not give as much advice this game. 1. Because I said it last game. 2. Because now I can just policy lynch lurkers cause they have been warned :D I want to just say scum hunt more. But its not easy too early day 1. Maybe more pressure less advice for the early day. You're making so many excuses for no reason. Why would you tryharding last game have anything to do with this game or how tough it's going to be? In fact, what are you trying to say when you say you "tryharded the shit out of last game"? What, are you implying you're not going to tryhard the shit out of this game, why not? Scumhunting is scumhunting. Sure there's not much to talk about on day1 but that's where you make stuff to talk about and then scumhunt from there. There has been no effort to do that. Instead, all you have done is called my first post "icky", which was 100% totally intended to do just that, get people to start talking and scumhunting from the get go which should be pretty obvious to everybody, but for some reason you decided it was icky and then make excuses for what I can only assume is going to be bad scumhunting on day 1. On February 07 2014 07:32 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:23 Balla24 wrote:
@jaybrundage, that implies that you were thinking something, so what was it that you were thinking before you came to that conclusion?
@suki, that implies that you think jaybrundage is town, even though I am clearly 2.5% less likely to be scum than he is. That first post. Ugh I'm still feeling icky from it. Your first post was obviously pre-written. It's not "icky" but it's not alignment indicative. You'd post the same thing as scum or town. The sections you highlighted in his posts make me feel wary. They're scummy sure. Does that make him scum? On February 07 2014 08:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 07:47 Koshi wrote:
Mine is very real. Super real.
you feel off. I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D In fact, this post is so very scummy. If you are town, your reaction to these "fake votes" would be completely different. You would be confused and curious as to what they find scummy about what you said, or you would just think that it's totally trolly and ignore it. Here you find it is scummy? What cause he thinks you feel off? Your response should have been "what feels off about me then oh wise one koshi" and not "you're scum". I actually agree with Jay here. I don't give a shit about votes an hour into the game. 1. That's interesting to me because that's literally what you always jump on as town is people making excuses for their play. But at least you are wary. 2. That's not the point. Think about your reaction if someone just random votes you without explaining anything. You either think it's trolly or you think "wtf". If it's trolly you basically ignore it, which jb started to do. If you think wtf, you become curious and try to understand wtf they are thinking, and SPECIFICALLY if they have actually think they see something or not. After he thinks their real, he basically goes "WTF" and goes HAM on koshi for being non-commital. NOWHERE does he show a curious, townie, scum-hunting mindset but instead just straight up attacks him. He doesn't ask what is that "feels off", he just says that saying that is scummy. I would seriously expect him to think harder about what Koshi is doing. These are contradictions. I am not attacking him. I even called him my scum friend. I did ask what feels off. Your wrong here. This last bit is a contradiction again. I am thinking real hard about what Koshi is doing. That's why I analyzed it and wrote a case up about it. My conclusion is that he is scum. Why are you chainsaw defending Koshi instead of reading up on my post and seeing if I have any valid thoughts in it. What makes you so convinced that Koshi is town, that you are hard defending him so much? You're not attacking him? Really? You did not ask what feels off, please quote. I'd be happy to be wrong about it, but I just skimmed that section. I'm not talking about your case on Koshi, that's ok I guess, it's pretty silly to use pre-game stuff at all but that's fine since at least it's somewhat relevant. I don't like that the whole thing is built on the fact that he would be "happier" though. I'm not defending koshi at all, where do you get that? I don't like your case on him, that doesn't mean i'm defending him. Chainsaw defense though? I'm the one who brought up real points about this whole situation in the first place. Just because you reacted to him instead of me doesn't make this a chainsaw defense. I think Koshi is town atm though, yes. Same thing as last game, he's thinking like me just like you were thinking like me. He saw what I saw. We shall see if this continues. Please can you give me a case on why you have a town read on Koshi. Explain it. If you can explain your thinking then maybe I can see it from your perspective and my read on Koshi can change. I do think both of you are scum. However I do not plan on becoming tunneled on it and exclude all other reasonings (cough cough jonny last game  ) Also you are defending Koshi... Hard. I can go back and point it out. However I am not going to waste my time go read your own filter and look at it and see if you can find any posts that can be construed as you defending Koshi.
I'm not going to post a "case", it's a feeling. It's not like I read his filter and say wow this guy is town. It's based on how the thread was moving. I can give you examples of what makes me feel good about him though if that's what you want.
On February 07 2014 07:33 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
That post is worse than Koshi's opening post. how bored were you waiting for this game to start?
Fuck man, I was happy last game thinking you were prob town. You're making me go back to my roots here. Jonny. Come on. It was a joke post. No need to exaggerate. Heads up for you: When I am town, I post like a fucking madman. You are allowed to stop me if it is too much. Because I think you are special. Instead you are never allowed to call me scum. Deal?
Taking responsibility for his actions later on. If he doesn't post like a madman, we lynch him.
On February 07 2014 08:24 Koshi wrote:
The kid with the lollipop is when I roll scum.
It goes like this:
I see scum PM, I am very angry --> I pretend to be really happy in the thread.
But this game it went like this:
I AM FUCKING TOWN HELL FUCKING YEAH --> I don't have to pretend shit and I simply scumhunt.
Currently I am looking at Jonny and JayB.
Why am I not looking at Balla atm? Because isn't it more likely Balla is scum and I am being blindfolded?
Good question but no!
Balla posts about current topics, his posts influence how I think and are well thought out and he posts carefree and townylike. I just like everything about him.
And I really dislike you 2 atm. JayB is shaking in his boots and Jonny you just left the thread as soon as JayB got attention.
##unvote
##vote: JonnyLaw
Let it be known.
This is essentially what I was thinking about you two as well, + points for him.
Things I don't like:
- I don't like how antagonistic he's being towards you.
- I don't like how he never explains what "feels off" about you. Koshi, please explain, what felt off?
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Are you? JB asked me to do that.
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Suki if I take you to be my Queen will you stop trolling and calling people sheeps even though you are relatively sheepy yourself?
If so then you may be my Queen.
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On February 07 2014 09:17 jaybrundage wrote:
Bleh I can't analyze your first post Balla gotta go soon. I believe you were defending koshi before he posted the second thing tho but thats just what I remember from the top of my head could be wrong.
That's fine you probably just saw it wrong based on how the thread developed that seems like what you did. Understandable since this thread has accrued what... 12 pages in the time we got 2 pages last game?
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On February 07 2014 09:22 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 09:19 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 09:17 jaybrundage wrote:
Bleh I can't analyze your first post Balla gotta go soon. I believe you were defending koshi before he posted the second thing tho but thats just what I remember from the top of my head could be wrong. That's fine you probably just saw it wrong based on how the thread developed that seems like what you did. Understandable since this thread has accrued what... 12 pages in the time we got 2 pages last game? Noooo Im pretty sure I remember it right. I am just lacking for time right now.
Let me remind you how this all went down:
1. I vote you without explaining
2. Koshi votes you without explaining seconds later.
3. You say our votes aren't real.
4. I immediately say, "oh but aren't they" (paraphrased from memory)
5. Koshi follows up seconds later with "my vote is real, you feel off" (paraphrased from memory)
6. You go ham on Koshi for saying "you feel off"'
7. Koshi antagonizes you a lot
8. I explain why my vote was real and why I was voting.
9. You say I should catch up with the thread because what I wrote is outdated (even though it wasn't at all)
10. I reply and say why I think the way you did 6 was scummy, and then how wrong you are on 9.
and the rest is history.
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On February 07 2014 09:26 suki wrote:
I will be honored to be your queen, my King.
However, I find Jay's desire to scum hunt forced and contrived. I can't believe that he's seriously saying that you and Koshi are a scum team. I find his self-consciousness (that you pointed out) to be a scum tell on him because, as per my meta-read in Shadowed mafia, that was one of the features which I found in his scum play.
I don't want to come to any hard conclusions on him yet because his tunnel on Koshi is stupid both as town and scum, and 'tryhard town' does seem like something he would do, however my vote on him is serious.
Then you my queen you shall be.
I like your point that the tunnel on Koshi is stupid as both town and scum. I don't see this huge tunnel on us from a scum player. This is a very very good point indeed.
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Also @jaybrundage, Koshi is confirmed town don't you remember?
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On February 07 2014 10:22 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'm a little miffed that people are so hung up about talking about the old game. It is better than policy, so there's that...
Like who? Is there any particular instance you feel is scummy or are you just miffed?
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On February 07 2014 10:32 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 07:06 JonnyLaw wrote:
Honestly though, I appreciate you starting the game with style rather than discussing scum koshi's bad plan.
We should have lynched him when he said "I didn't want to follow that plan anyway." This is the kind of thing Im talking about Balla. Then there's you harping on how your confirmed town when you know thats false. I know your joking, it doesnt make you scum etc etc. That's why I threatened you with assassination.
Well saying i'm confirmed town doesn't really have anything to do with last game, but moving on since I know it's annoying ^_^.
I know the kind of thing you are talking about, I can give you plenty of instances of it, but I want you to take a stance. Do you see any of those kind of references that are scummy? If not, why did you bring it up in the first place?
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On February 07 2014 10:40 Hopeless1der wrote:
They aren't scummy yet. But its similar to how people who drone on incessantly about policy or setup speculation are more likely to be scum. Continuing to talk about the previous game without drawing conclusions about what it means in this game is scummy. Agree/Disagree?
i.e. I brought it up because I saw it becoming a circlejerk
Agreed. One of the things I brought up against Jonny.
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I'm assuming you aren't caught up with the thread yet then? Because it really didn't get out of hand for anybody I think.
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Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens.
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On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens. Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true.
If you are referring to the big "case", I never said that was scummy. I said that it was ok, but I don't really like the fact that it's built off of koshi not being happy. It's new information, which is good, but the information isn't that great, you know? I don't think that case is scummy at all.
What I think was possibly scummy was your initial reaction to koshi's "fake vote". I explained multiple times so I don't really want to type it all out again, but it was based on the fact that your initial reaction was more scum like than town like in the fact that you weren't really trying to figure out what koshi was doing, and were just attacking him. You weren't curious, as I expect a townie who is having a WTF moment would be having.
After your initial reaction, you calmed down and started displaying more townie traits, but still, the initial reaction is what my read on you is based off of. Everything after that is "meh" to me. Does that not make sense?
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On February 07 2014 11:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens. What are you doing to push someone? Nothing.
This is a really silly post Oats, like you have barely read the thread. I've done plenty. In fact your reads are mostly just sheeps off of what I created in the thread.
I have something for you:
On February 07 2014 11:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Aqua is being very very guiding without actually hunting scum.
Guiding as in more similar last game's jaybrundage, or he's being more similar to LoneMeow? To me Aquanim is being very similar to LoneMeow atm, but there's no real loaded questions like he had and he seems to be making conclusions about stuff in the thread. His questions seemed more to try to generate discussions, and he seems very eager to do so, but he's not really accomplishing it in my opinion.
Can you elaborate on aqua's "guidiness" and how he's not trying to hunt scum?
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On February 07 2014 12:16 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 12:01 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 11:54 jaybrundage wrote:On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens. Balla talk to me why do you think my push on Koshi is scummy. I think while it isn't the most amazing case. It is after all an early day 1 case. And I think alot of things I said are completely true. If you are referring to the big "case", I never said that was scummy. I said that it was ok, but I don't really like the fact that it's built off of koshi not being happy. It's new information, which is good, but the information isn't that great, you know? I don't think that case is scummy at all. What I think was possibly scummy was your initial reaction to koshi's "fake vote". I explained multiple times so I don't really want to type it all out again, but it was based on the fact that your initial reaction was more scum like than town like in the fact that you weren't really trying to figure out what koshi was doing, and were just attacking him. You weren't curious, as I expect a townie who is having a WTF moment would be having. After your initial reaction, you calmed down and started displaying more townie traits, but still, the initial reaction is what my read on you is based off of. Everything after that is "meh" to me. Does that not make sense? Hmm So rereading it. I responded to your vote. Cause it was like a foolishness cameo. I had voted you semi-jokingly before. So I didn't take it seriously. I didn't respond to Koshi's vote because it just seemed like a throwaway/joke vote. Then I posted my thing about him not being excited enough in his first post. Then you posted your thing about me not commentating on them. But I actually had commentated on one of them. Which was yours. But I didn't feel a reason to comment on them indepth because they didn't seem like real votes in the first place from what I thought. Does that make sense?
First off you didn't reply to everything I said in there haha, does that make sense what I said? Like I don't want you to misunderstand where I think you are scummy and where you're not.
Ah but that wasn't me who said you didn't comment on them, that was Koshi. Interesting.
So actually, I think your initial reaction to my vote was super town. I wasn't expecting it to go any further than that after that response until you blew up at Koshi which set off red flags everywhere for me. Turns out, Koshi here is the catalyst for everything. And his antagonizing behavior led to all this.
Koshi: i know you're asleep but I want you to answer this so i'm asking it again, what was it that "felt off" about the post we voted jaybrundage for?
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On February 07 2014 12:22 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 12:15 Aquanim wrote:Hey guys I'd like to discuss SukiFilter in the original game as town: Asks lots of questions, discusses reads, VERY direct Filter in this game: Mostly trolly one-liners about "King" Balla, doesn't talk much about reads unless directly asked, is not asking many questions. I haven't thoroughly meta-d Suki but I'm really feeling a serious gap in her attitude between the two games. I can't see any reason in Suki's filter to think she is town so far. Does anyone else have any? Yea I didn't like her play so much as I mentioned in my response to her earlier. I hesitated on calling her scum tho lol. I had already been pretty ambitious with calling people scum this game. I found it odd that she ignored my correction of her post where she is trolling me. But is completely wrong on it because she mixed up which post came first. I would of expected an opps or oh my thing. But she didn't even comment on it. That just seemed odd to me. As suki is usually first to make amends when she makes a mistake.
I'd just like to note that I think suki's point about jayb's case on Koshi being early or whatever is pretty bad. There's no reason to think that jaybrundage posting a case on koshi because it's early is scummy. That's just wrong. It's coming from a position where you KNOW jaybrundage is scum, which nobody knows except his possible scum buddies, thus he is OBVIOUSLY trying to fit in as town by posting a case early.
On February 07 2014 12:22 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 12:08 Balla24 wrote:On February 07 2014 11:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 07 2014 11:51 Balla24 wrote:
Are you guys seriously pushing jay right now?
There's really nothing new. Everybody knows he's made some scummy decisions. He's been pressured to no end, no reason to keep pushing him now because we know almost everything about him. Let him play the game, watch him to see if he redeems himself, but there's no reason to keep pushing him unless there is NEW information.
Let him play unpressed, see what happens. What are you doing to push someone? Nothing. This is a really silly post Oats, like you have barely read the thread. I've done plenty. In fact your reads are mostly just sheeps off of what I created in the thread. I have something for you: On February 07 2014 11:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
Aqua is being very very guiding without actually hunting scum.
Guiding as in more similar last game's jaybrundage, or he's being more similar to LoneMeow? To me Aquanim is being very similar to LoneMeow atm, but there's no real loaded questions like he had and he seems to be making conclusions about stuff in the thread. His questions seemed more to try to generate discussions, and he seems very eager to do so, but he's not really accomplishing it in my opinion. Can you elaborate on aqua's "guidiness" and how he's not trying to hunt scum? The part where he doesnt ask anyone questions that are hard to answer, but mainly asking them to clarify and phrase their points better. The point I was making is that you asked us to stop harping abotu JayB but you arent doing anything away from that. Which is totally true.
Ah. That makes very much sense, I thought you were accusing me for doing nothing the entire game. Eh, I don't mind that then but I still kinda disagree considering I just sat down at my computer again and see you guys pushing jayb ^_^. All i'm doing now is having a conversation with him to clear things up.
On Aqua:
That's good. I do think he's trying to come up with conclusions about people though which is good. And since you brought it up, he has brought new information to the thread with the suki stuff. So we'll see.
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On February 07 2014 12:30 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 12:23 sidesprang wrote:On February 07 2014 12:15 Aquanim wrote:Hey guys I'd like to discuss SukiFilter in the original game as town: Asks lots of questions, discusses reads, VERY direct Filter in this game: Mostly trolly one-liners about "King" Balla, doesn't talk much about reads unless directly asked, is not asking many questions. I haven't thoroughly meta-d Suki but I'm really feeling a serious gap in her attitude between the two games. I can't see any reason in Suki's filter to think she is town so far. Does anyone else have any? Are you basing your scum read on Suki just off meta atm ? I don't think acting another way from one game to another is a good way to meta someone, especially when the person have scumgames you can read. She was scum in Mafia Newbie Mafia LI I think, prolly better to start there. I played in that game and dont remember to much of the meta, other than she was good :S It's a kind of half-meta case, in that her play so far does not seem to be directed towards scumhunting, and I can verify that she is capable and willing to direct her play towards scumhunting by checking a previous town game. The argument holds without any need to refer to her scumgames, though I would take a look at it if I were to start seriously pushing for her lynch. For now I want to discuss her play so far. Putting aside your opinion of my methods, what's your read on suki so far?
Just from memory, she scum hunts as scum and her scumgame resembles her towngame. Neither of which resemble this game at all. I've never seen her this trolly and happy, but that just be because of the way the game opened, how I opened etc. We know each other somewhat out of mafia, so it totally fits with her personality, but I can't compare this game to any of her previous games.
Essentially, her scumgame doesn't resemble this at all, so your meta argument I don't believe holds true. We'll see how she follows up.
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