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Basically mafia decides 3 names up for night kills, town chooses who dies, every night. scum favoured? hell no. | ||
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i am, i am gonna wreck this scumteam to pieces. wanna help? | ||
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I would say discussing townreads (or giving out townreads in general in a scale people usually do) helps mafia in the nomination phase, as they can more likely tell who would people vote for over who. Agreed? | ||
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VE and geript what's it exactly you think is wrong with yamato? I certainly do not argee with the inactvity comment, you might wanna elaborate on that geript. | ||
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On February 08 2014 18:53 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know what this means, but Cora is feeling fine to me for now. Inquisitive enough and active enough to not lynch for me. Do you think asking about Slam's vote or geript's scumhunting strategy counts as inquisitive? | ||
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How exactly am i buddying with marv? I am trying to talk to him and his last post and "comeback" to the thread was quite undewhelming imo. | ||
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 There is no reason for me to repeat what geript said. I know yamato pushed the same thing in the last game and actually now, that i just listened the podcast, i want to ask him why is he doing the same thing here as in the podcast in my opinion he agreed that was not the best strategy for the town. | ||
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On February 08 2014 22:15 WaveofShadow wrote: See this is what I mean. Is this a strategy thing this game that I shouldn't be giving out townreads period? I thought you were gonna be supportive of feels Rayn If we pretend this is a nomination phase and let's say you are town here's what we got: Mafia knows you think Risen is town. Mafia probably also knows who you think is mafia if you have contributed enough. IF they wanna plan their nominations based on what people think about other people (why would they not?) it's easier if you can "rank" the players based on their towniness and make an educated guess on who is gonna get lynched if you nominate X, Y and Z. You would probably not vote for Risen in this scenario. So if Risen is town and put up for lynch candidate you will probably be voting for one of the two other guys. So, if mafia wants to put one scum out there, they already have information that your vote is gonna be at best for them 50/50 (assuming they wanna put Risen up for some reason). Now that's what mafia gains. What does town gain? That we know you think Risen is town "because of feels". Does that help? Is he up for lynch? Do you feel like he is getting mislynched now and that he needs your help because otherwise we lynch town? | ||
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On February 08 2014 22:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Can you comment on the VE/ Cora thing I mentioned earlier? I think VE and Cora are the scummiest people from the one's that have posted. | ||
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On February 08 2014 19:01 yamato77 wrote: RE: Cora Didn't care for this bit: Shoots down Oats for Oats' dumb "who is scum?" question, then Turns around and does the same stupid thing. I, unlike you, give him no townie points for the Slam questions because it was a silly thing to ask anyway. | ||
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On February 08 2014 22:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Well aside from one obvious case, are there others who fit in the category of not having said anything intelligent (not counting those who haven't participated). Slam, Holyflare. Dunno what to think about marv yet and Oats' being lurkish (he posted in the LXIV thread) is weird. | ||
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On February 08 2014 22:39 WaveofShadow wrote: This is too hard to carry on from phine atm Rayn will you be around in a few hrs? yes | ||
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On February 09 2014 14:57 Oatsmaster wrote: I would lynch cora and rayn right now. Marv getting into stupid shitfests probably means he is town. How come nobody thinks im scum??? This is a really bad post given Oats' reasoning later on. He thinks i am mafia because he doesn't remember me doing anything. Except the most i have done is questioning Cora, his other scumread. There is no way Oats' read on me is legit. | ||
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On February 09 2014 20:36 geript wrote: 2 posts above, isn't holy in modkill zone? lol, i am so bad. | ||
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On February 09 2014 20:36 marvellosity wrote: oh hi rayn. We are both here. Let's do something. Just got 2 pages to finish reading. Corazon, Vayne, VE, Holyflare, Odinslot, (Oats, Palmar) Who do we lynch? I think everyone else is town. | ||
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- I dunno what VE is doing. - Sad but true, Odin could have just replaced out because he rolled scum given his shitty self-modkill in PYP and how terrible his scumplay is. But i wanna see what Grack does because this is a cheap read. - Corazon seems working in fear of something and not doing anything. - Holyflare knows the game is on but he's not playing for some reason. - Vayne is weird, but probably not a good D1 lynch given his posts. - Oats' read on me was crap. - Palmar did weird stuff. Okay it had a potential to be good but his follow up was not that good. | ||
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On February 09 2014 20:53 marvellosity wrote: One difference between this game and Quiet game is that Corazon tunnelled yamato for about the first page and a half of his filter and then tunnelled bugs for the subsequent page. Consecutive tunnelling. Kinda the opposite of what's going on here really. The difference is i caught him in Quiet game. In this game he is being more friendly towards me and more hostile towards yamato when we were saying the same thing about him. | ||
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On February 09 2014 02:02 Corazon wrote: I know this going to sound like a cop-out, but I don't have any scumreads right now. (This thought line only works for me) I know that because I am VT, people attacking me either have to be wrong or scum. Rayn- I think your attack of me hinges on the interpretation that Geript's play was pro-active rather than shitting up the thread. It's not scummy if you disagree with me. Yamato- This: .. Is just blatantly wrong. He calls me out without saying that my play has been useless/I'm shitting up the thread. He doesn't want to make these specific statements that I can easily disprove. My post to Geript was basically saying "When are you going to stop shitting up the thread" and he basically stated that I was shitting up the thread too, which is a complete lie. My behavior ≠ Geript's behavior, and it's pretty bad for Yamato to try and link them together. That is most of my thoughts on the game. I haven't seen too many egregious posts which also makes me think that we have another huge lurker scum team. But it's just a feeling. Like compare these two things. I even QUOTED YAMATO'S post and based my read on Cora on that post.. | ||
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On February 09 2014 10:58 Corazon wrote: We could always lynch Palmar for going after Geript, because attacking Geript is a pretty easy thing to do as scum. I think this really is not a stance at all and he is following geript (who i think was right in his argument with Palmar besides the "Palmar is totes scum"). He's not really attacking Palmar here imo, he's just saying something. He does not explain if he even thinks Palmar is amfai or why Palmar's argument makes him mafia. He just defends geript for some odd reason. | ||
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On February 09 2014 21:01 marvellosity wrote: Right, bear with me here. Going to try to explain it from a possible townCora perspective, let's see if it's believable. Cora reads it like this: yamato - Cora is shitting up the thread just like geript is rayn - geript is being proactive and not shitting up the thread. Cora's reply: rayn is reading geript differently from me and that's ok, but yamato is saying i'm shitposting like geript which is unfair. How's that? Okay that's apossibility. I still don't get it because this is what i literally posted: I just quoted yamato's post and said i agree with it. | ||
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##Vote: Corazon See this post from yamato and Cora's response: On February 09 2014 14:53 Corazon wrote: Sorry for only talking about what I could talk about at that point in time. I even said there wasn't much I wanted to comment on. After that, I've talked about Koshi and Palmar so now you are just lying. GJ Yamato First he even agrees with yamato in that he has only called out and talked about people who think he is mafia (see the bolded parts). He also says he has talked about Koshi and Palmar. So let's see where he ends up with those talks. + Show Spoiler [Koshi] + On February 09 2014 11:21 Corazon wrote: Then I ask you the same question I asked Geript: when do you plan on scumhunting? He asks one question which is not even a good one because Koshi has given reads. His vote is on VA. + Show Spoiler [Palmar] + Ends up in no clear read. He doesn't even call Palmar mafia. So, all Corazon has said is some people are nul land yamato is a lying bitch (which is not even true). | ||
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On February 09 2014 21:14 marvellosity wrote: Why can't town Cora do any of that though? Do you think the possibility of townCora doing that is less than the nonsense (non)read on you that Oats has? I am trying to figure it out. The thing is town!Cora has reads and he pushes them no matter how stupid they are to other people. This is like something so different and bad. town!Oats can be calling me scum jsut for the sake of calling me scum. In the last game he voted for me in an IML game and he thought i was town, or idk.. he didn't really think. Sad but yes, he could, probably even WOULD do that as town.  | ||
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On February 09 2014 21:21 geript wrote: That was my read. I don't think Cora's a good lynch then because he reacted essentially the same as I did. I'm gonna look at oats, grack and holy again then. If you are town and Palmar is town what would mafia!Corazon do? | ||
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I could lynch VE too for the lazy vote on Koshi. | ||
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Then i'll reread. | ||
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And don't say you didn't because you said you think i am mafia. | ||
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Because i do not think what he has posted makes him necessarily mafia. He's just useless atm. | ||
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On February 10 2014 02:13 Koshi wrote: Also I said some stuff about WoS. He is maybe probably town. Also I commented on those names from rayn. Also I commented on Grack. Oats go fuck off. THX Yeah about this. You didn't agree but all the reads you gave line up with mine. What's up with that? | ||
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1 and 2 are not even about Grack. 3 is not necessarily scummy. 4 is wtf and has nothing to do with Grack's alignment. 5 might be something. 6 is crap. Not lynching Grack over Cora who has no reads at all. | ||
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On February 10 2014 07:20 marvellosity wrote: I... think I'm ok with the case. Not because I think the case is good, I just don't think it's badly intentioned. Especially the "I know this bit is weak" - I'm not sure geript is that sneaky as mafia Who makes a case that says "Grack is mafia because Corazon lynch is too easy". srsly? | ||
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On February 10 2014 07:26 marvellosity wrote: That was only a little bit of it. And it's a valid concern. If Corazon had showed an ounce of emotion I'd have itchy feet right now. Yes i understand the concern, i don't understand what does it have tpo do with Grackaroni and how the case is presented it looks like it has. | ||
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On February 10 2014 07:28 marvellosity wrote: meh it's point #2 out of 6 points. It's not that central, I'm not sure why you're upset over it tbh In fact 5 out of 6 points are really bad. | ||
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On February 10 2014 07:29 geript wrote: A lynch being too easy is a pretty good standard of a mislynch. You know that. Why aren't you taking a serious look at other people? You agreed w/ me about the dandelion bus in nuke game because of it. Explain the difference here. Because this is a different game with different people. People do not have thread presence, i have been watching the thread and not posting for ages and i still have like the most posts of all people. If me and marv are town there is nothing much mafia can do to prevent D1 lynch if it is on their own. Like which palyer as mafia would you say is gonna push a lynch? VE is like the only one who i could think doing so. Or you, which you are doing. And then there is the weird shitwagon on Koshi where noone even knows why those people think Koshi is mafia. | ||
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Need to look at Rayn and Vayne again with some sleep behind me. Also why this over other people? | ||
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On February 10 2014 23:31 geript wrote: Because for you I need to look at how and when you pushed things in the thread and where thread sentiment was going and then look at those people. And Vayne because I don't feel like I've gotten to a satisfactory point on him. I am mostly interested in why you need to loo kat me over yamato who did the exact same things than me on D1 except that i actually got my target lynched and he didn't really seem like he cared for the most of the D1. | ||
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On February 10 2014 23:34 geript wrote: Bc wave and I have history and at a specific point i get an exact understanding of where he's at. Like Marv/VE or you/Koshi. I just think he's wrong on Koshi. So you just let him be wrong about Koshi and don't really give a shit? But i might be scum because i am right on Koshi? On February 10 2014 23:35 geript wrote: Because I've played more with you than I have with him and feel like from voice I can get a solid read on you. Well this is quite bullshit because trying to compare voice mafia meta to forum mafia meta is bad and never holds any water.. | ||
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On February 10 2014 23:50 geript wrote: I let him do his thing on Koshi because my time is pretty limited 1 so my ability to read thoroughly is down, because he should read me as obv town by now (and at least consider my opinion), because our schedules haven't seemed to align yet and because Wave needs the back and forth. Besides, at no point has Koshi ever been under any actual realistic lynch potential. I really don't get why you'd expect me to protect a townread when there's no chance of him being lynched right now. No, I think you might be scum because of how/when you pushed things. With you I need to go into more depth in a read than just filters. And yes, while voice doesn't transfer over 100% I don't think it's a 0% rate either. Like you make conscientious attempts to protect your scum bros until they're Unsalvageable. So do you care at all about the Koshi wagon which had no case behind it and some people just throwing their votes on Koshi and not commenting on Corazon at all. Namely VE and Oats as WoS actually provided even a read on Koshi although it was not strong. | ||
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On February 11 2014 00:06 marvellosity wrote: Do you remember what game it is that Vayne was mafia in and he made that small post about WoS saying he'd looked fine or town from his earlier posting, I pressed him on it, and he was unable to actually back up his post properly? Was it first iteration of LXIV? Yes it was. | ||
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After that LXIV game (the post marv pointed out) he even said that. He didn't read the thread properly and felt like he needed to post something and made something up he could not back up later. | ||
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On February 11 2014 00:12 marvellosity wrote: Dunno. His filter told me nothing at all but that doesn't have to make him mafia. See LXIV for similar I guess. I need him to interact with the thread. The problem is LXIV was a PM game, he was talking with WoS constantly and a lot. He in fact had thoughts, he just did not feel the need to bring them into the thread. This is a different game, he is just idk.. saying some random stuff?? That's how it feels like to me. He's not really trying to talk to anyone and doesn't care if people even pay attention to what he says. The stuff he says looks "clean" but does not really have an effect to anything. Hiding in plain sight if you know what i mean? There is nothing he is trying to accomplish, which makes sense as mafia especially given that Corazon was town. | ||
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On February 11 2014 01:07 marvellosity wrote: I've also had naughty thoughts running along the lines of "if Wave is mafia, that explains why I'm confused and nothing seems to make sense this game" By the way your point that I didn't make is bang on rayn - for all his talk on Koshi/VA, he never really tried to convince people on to him very much, and he barely mentions Corazon. Ctrl-f Cora in his filter... he questions a couple of people about Cora, and on page 2 he says he doesn't like something from Cora. But that is *it*. He never gives a real opinion on the person who was heading for the gallows for a long time. Was Wave happy with the Cora lynch? Was his vote on Koshi because Koshi is mafia but maybe Cora is also mafia? If he thought Cora was town, he should have been campaigning against the lynch. If he thought he had a decent chance to flip mafia... then he certainly never said so. That's what bothers me about everyone who did not want to lynch Corazon (or implied so by having their vote on someone else) besides geript. Noone did anything about the lynch. I thought Corazon had a decent chance of flipping mafia because of what i said on D1, in case you are town too (which i am quite sure of now - and was a bit less, but still quite sure about on D1) there is very little mafia can do even if Corazon is mafia and therefore the size of the wagon and the lack of resistance does not really matter (for example see some of the last games where scum have been lynched on D1, Quiet mini mafia (pretty much considered only 2 scum for D1 lynch and a weak early push on town!yamato), NMM (only a scumwagon until they claimed, then we lynched another scum), LXIV (only real lynch candidates were Derrida/Xatalos besides BH's dumb plan to not elect and lynch you)). But if those people thought Corazon is not mafia (which WoS' posts indicate, as he says "if i was here bla bla...") why not try to lynch someone else? Like really try to lynch someone else. | ||
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I found his post about some of the votes worrying. This one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512¤tpage=41#803 This to me (especially considering the timing) looks like "let's find some people suspicious given that Cora will flip town". This posts doesn't seem to be achieving anything and Holyflare brings it up later with a mindset that to me reads like "look what i said earlier". | ||
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On February 11 2014 01:37 marvellosity wrote: Yes, it was a ridiculous thing to say really. Don't know if in particular it's scum-ridiculous or just ridiculous though. I could bounce a counter-question to him - Why is he not buddying VE like usual? In LXIV all he did was circle-jerk with VE, now he is not apparently even reading his posts. | ||
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On February 11 2014 01:43 Palmar wrote: Mostly because I felt his approach to talking to me after the lynch was relatively healthy. It's entirely possible I may be mistaking tentative with reasonable (ie, given people like Cora called me scum for no reason, it's nice to talk to people who actually ask questions and respond), but yeah. I thought his questioning was indicative of someone who had an actual interest in finding out what went on. I find it problematic because he does not really have any insight to provide in those particular "reads" (i don't even know what he is trying to say). Like he points out something that is suspicious (??), doesn't say why and ends up with a question "are all these people scum", like someone else needs to decide for him. Then he brings the same thing up again after the lynch. | ||
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On February 11 2014 01:48 marvellosity wrote: The main issue I have with Holy is his activity, and we'll see on that My main issue is that he is using clear arguments and has clear thougts when he is town and makes a lot of fluff posts that don't really end up saying anything as mafia and this looks more like the latter. | ||
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On February 11 2014 01:52 marvellosity wrote: I don't really agree with that assessment tbh. Do you remember something I wrote about Holy in Vengeful? I said his focus on Prome looked suspicious, but he had more little posts that I felt were more likely to come from a town-Holy. I expect longer blocks of paragraph + text from a mafia Holy than I've seen this game. It's not conclusive but it means I'm not particularly interested in him atm tbh, form my pov in Vengeful (i might be biased as i was scum) Holyflare was the towniest person in the game. | ||
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On February 11 2014 01:55 Palmar wrote: So now that we're all here. should we lynch yamato to make him mad? We could do that, then when he calls us all idiots and retards we know he is town and we can switch to WoS or VE. | ||
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On February 11 2014 01:55 marvellosity wrote: Well, you have to understand I'm in the superior position of viewing him from a position of not knowing his alignment in both games  But you have to understand that i have played only one game where we have both been town and i insta-cleared him as town for myself. In all the other games i have found him scummy at some point or been scum when he has been town. Statistics say he is mafia because i am town. j/k, maybe we'll learn more about him tonight. | ||
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On February 11 2014 01:57 Holyflare wrote: Would rather do it after nominations tbh which is probably around the time I'll be back. Got 2 scum i think though. Fair enough. | ||
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On February 11 2014 02:00 Holyflare wrote: And if you don't know what's scummy about them then you have no hope as a mafia player! One was a safe vote on a guy that wasn't mentioned, another was an unexplained shenanigans and the other one was what looked like someone saying this lynch looks bad, he can't be doing this as scum but voting him anyway? I agree that Vayne's vote was really bad as marv already pointed out. Palmar explained himself and i don't see much wrong with his stance on Cora knowing how Palmar plays. Koshi looks town to me based on his other posts, and i don't see him being scum at least for now. I have no problem with your stance on them, to me it just seemed like you left some open ended questions to the thread instead of providing answers if you get what i mean. | ||
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On February 10 2014 09:52 Koshi wrote: Meh, I had a bad d1. Bit too spammy, with less spam I could have maybe been less suspicious and then pushed VA lynch. Even though Cora lynch not the worst lynch all by all. gn. Koshi what's this? Also could you answer Holyflare? | ||
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On February 11 2014 02:14 Grackaroni wrote: Did you know that Kushm4sta only attacks Rayn's play as scum? That's not true. What's stupid about it is that he does it as scum to piss me off and nowadays he does it as town to piss me off (which makes no sense). But why do you even say this? | ||
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On February 11 2014 02:16 Grackaroni wrote: I thought we were playing the silly meta game. I still don't know what you are referring to? | ||
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On February 11 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote: Could you be a little more specific? I mean, you're not me and I'm not you. It's possible for someone to have a townread on me and not you and vice versa I suppose. And to people who aren't me and maybe only one or two others, you're more sneaky scum than I am :> No offence to geript, but him saying "I want to look at rayn" has about zero thread impact, it probably just means he wants to look at rayn. Also Palmar thinks geript is mafia which makes geript very likely to be town. If he thinks you are town, given the meta between us don't you think he would think you have a decent read on me? Like you called me scum for my first post in the last game and called me scum in the end of D1 in the game before the last game i was scum and you were town in. | ||
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On February 11 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote: Also Palmar thinks geript is mafia which makes geript very likely to be town. I don't think this is a good heuristic. Palmar called "confirmed town geript" scum in LXI basically in all of his posts lol. | ||
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On February 11 2014 02:36 marvellosity wrote: Meh, maybe? It seems a lot less egregious than Wave ignoring what we think on Koshi, for example. I've never explicitly called you town this game I don't think either, I've just treated you that way mostly, which is more subtle and for people not-us isn't totally evident, and perhaps even if it was evident he'd like to have his own opinion. Well idk, what would you think if someone agrees with someone else on the lynch and on other things? Would you think they can possibly have a scumread on the other dude? | ||
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On February 11 2014 02:38 marvellosity wrote: No, but I also don't think it's good logical thinking to think "two people who agree on various things must be the same alignment", at least not to the extent where it's bad to want to look into someone. ofc it's not, but the thing is you can assume something from it. You are one of the people who can actually read me in mafia, i think that should hold some weight in how other people form reads on me -> and therefore having a townread on you and a possible scumread on me makes little sense to me. | ||
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On February 11 2014 02:41 marvellosity wrote: Put it this way rayn: if geript is somehow mafia, it won't be for that. yeah i guess what he comes up with from his reread. | ||
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On February 11 2014 02:42 marvellosity wrote: Did geript play in ##? LXIV? Vengeful? No... You're looking at this through our eyes. No, but he has read those games, i have even talked about a lot of games with him on TS. | ||
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On February 11 2014 03:06 Koshi wrote: In theory VA lynch was always better than Cora lynch if we look at it now. So what I said didn't make much sense. I am in a idk state atm. Everything is blurry except some townreads and people I don't want to kill if I had the power. We wait and see. So why is one of me or marv or both scum? | ||
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On February 11 2014 03:10 VisceraEyes wrote: No bish. ME. You're talking to ME rayn. You've been in here stoking the "VE is Mafia" flames and it ends. Why didn't you want to lynch VA with me? Because you never really wanted to lynch Vayne. I would expect more from you, especially in this game where players are not bad. Why are you not playing VE? | ||
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On February 11 2014 03:11 Koshi wrote: Ah no. I was just saying things. atm you are both town, marv a bit more than you. the truth. now this is really bad Koshi. | ||
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On February 11 2014 03:19 Koshi wrote: What. Nobody was saying anything and we were 2 hours from the lynch or so. I just called you out for saying things for just sake of saying things like other people did aswell. Why are you saying things just for sake of saying things? Why are you not saying things that you actually think are true? | ||
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On February 10 2014 02:15 VisceraEyes wrote: But you are voting for VA. I am too, see? ##Unvote ##Vote VA On February 10 2014 02:16 VisceraEyes wrote: We all should lynch VA. For the town. | ||
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Why is Palmar's vote fishy? Why couldn't mafia!Palmar just have pushed his case on geript instead of putting his vote on Cora? | ||
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On February 11 2014 03:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Like, people don't listen to me rayn. How long have you been playing here? You should know that in spite of getting "vet cred" people don't EVER listen to me. So I've given up trying to be listened to. Instead, I just make my opinions known and see if anyone who IS listened to agrees with me, and make things happen that way. VE this is bad. I listen to you, atm i am trying to figure out what you are up to and why. | ||
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On February 11 2014 03:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Rayn you've been calling me scum this whole cycle. Forgive me if I take EVERYTHING you say with a grain of salt. Let's assume this is true. If i call you scum is it a reason to not listen to anything else i say? How is this a decent town play? You know townies can be wrong, is it a reason to tell them to fuck off and not read a single post of theirs? VE that's what gets you lynched. I'll try to be clear. I am not sure if you are mafia. I am not sure if you are town. I want to figure it out now, as you are here. So could you please talk to me? I am trying to get out of my unreasonable tunnel shitfest play and it's not working quite well as people like you and Oats (no offence, but still..) make it so hard for me to not rage. So, forget about my read on you for a while if you are town and talk to me okay? | ||
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On February 11 2014 03:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Like you say you listen to me but you cherrypick two one-line posts to try and disprove me "pushing" Vayne. Why didn't you include the post where I provide the reasoning for my read rayn? Because you're not interested in "figuring me out", you're interested in garnering enough thread sentiment to lynch me. Fair enough. You are right you gave reasoning before you voted for him. | ||
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On February 11 2014 03:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: VE do you think Grack is scum? On February 11 2014 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so, you didn't know if Grack is town or scum and you still have no idea about it afaik(??) Why is Palmar's vote fishy? Why couldn't mafia!Palmar just have pushed his case on geript instead of putting his vote on Cora? Could you answer these posts when you have read Grack? | ||
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On February 11 2014 11:01 marvellosity wrote: Given he gave a max percentage of 6%, that doesn't seem that fair rayn He is voting someone because he thinks they have the highest percetance of being mafia. That's idiotic, he even called me or you mafia "if one of us is". nono. Made up reasons for a vote. | ||
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1) stop asking stupid questions from marv unless you think he is mafia. In which case you are stupid or scum. 2) find scum instead. 3) please. good night. | ||
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On February 11 2014 11:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Did you ever do this? I see Koshi and Oats. It doesn't matter because i can do what the fuck i want to as i am okay for getting lynched. It'll come, maybe. | ||
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We are all town because if me/Palmar was mafia it would be a 50/50 because marv would not get lynched anyways. It would be stupid to nominato one of us, if we were both mafia it would be not only stupid but suicide. So we are town. If marv is mafia it would be okayish to nominato him but he gets shot at the end of D3 anyways because we are now going to find a D3 lynch who is mafia on this phase and it will confirm marv as town and he will get shot. Also he's been so pro-active, especially on N1 that he is town. So anyone who considers any of us mafia is either out of their mind or scum. If marv and the one of me/Palmar who does not get lynched do not lynch mafia on D3 then marv needs a relook but anyways he is not scum. So is there anyone who wants to call us mafia? If not, stop asking stupid shit from us and find mafia instead. | ||
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On February 11 2014 19:59 marvellosity wrote: the only townie thing Oats has done in the game is his case on me. Otherwise he doesn't seem to care about anything. +1 If he does not start playing he is mafia, right now looks like it. | ||
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On February 11 2014 20:00 Palmar wrote: Oats meta question: His filter is very short, I can't remember if this is normal or abnormal for him. Please halp? Usually he has a shitton of oneliners, he changes his mind for no apparent reason and it feels like his reads on people are basically based on their last post. Which can be quite annoying. He COULD play a decent towngame if he put in a little bit effort, but sadly he usually won't. He is aware of his meta and does same stuff he does a s town as scum. Latest scumgame he lurked really hard. | ||
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On February 11 2014 20:02 marvellosity wrote: His filter is normally longer. As both alignments to be fair. Not necessarily. His filter was ~15 pages in last PYP, he lived to endgame which was something like D9. And a lot of posts were at D0 or the last day where he got lynched or shot or whatever it was. | ||
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On February 11 2014 20:10 marvellosity wrote: Right, and we're in the first cycle rayn :p His filter was like 7 pages for the first cycle there Yes there was also the N0 where anyone could post whatever shit because there was no scumhunting. Well okay, you are right in that sense, but after D1 Oats just lurker lurked and lurked until everyone almost forgot he was in the game. | ||
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On February 11 2014 10:55 VisceraEyes wrote: Myself, Koshi and rayn. Myself because I'm heavily lynchable based on thread sentiment, Koshi because no one seems interested in lynching him (Wave is literally screaming about it) and rayn because he's pretty much a universal townread. I didn't get this. At all. Koshi was just arguing a while ago that me or marv could be scum (joke or not, but not a town read), Palmar did not have me as town, geript was "looking into me" etc.. Where did this come from? | ||
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On February 11 2014 20:38 marvellosity wrote: What Vayne is doing is trying to claim he is confirmed town because the nomination picks were garbage - safe/obvious/boring - and yet in the same breath is saying one of the nomination picks is mafia. The two *cannot* go together. If he is town he believes the picks are garbage and therefore we are all mafia. Or he believes the picks are not garbage at all because someone is mafia. Holy fuck i just realized he hadn't posted for a day. Maybe he was not discussing the nominations at all. That would make sense why he said what he did if he is mafia. | ||
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On February 11 2014 22:05 Palmar wrote: I don't think it's a stretch to believe marv's townread of reyn is genuine and correct. You need to lynch me so that one idiot can do something else than having a delusional scumread on me which he could even do as mafia. | ||
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On February 11 2014 22:14 Koshi wrote: That doesn't even make sense. I say you are best lynch for today. Tomorrow I might go Grack. or VA. Cuz I can pick many people. There are no posts of your that make any sense to me. You keep coming up with some stupid lies you admit are lies and you keep calling people scum for some fucking stupid %'s. You have not done anything in this game besides calling me mafia which you do every game regardless of your alignment and then you even think you can read me. Here is a pro-tip for you, calling someone scum every single fucking game with reasoning like "he voted a townie for mayor, scum yo" does not qualify as a read. You are doing it again and if we do not lynch me you will keep doing it and then we most likely lynch you because you are being an idiot. | ||
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On February 11 2014 22:23 marvellosity wrote: He could be. What Koshi wrote might be valid. Plus he voted me for terrible reasons. (of course going by this metric alone we have 7 mafia or something but never mind). I don't really know how to read Grack though, because he doesn't ever do anything. As mafia in... Golden Sun, he came across very sensibly, kinda like here. I just can't see any mafia team where Grack fits. Vayne? Not really. VE? No. geript? Definitely not. Wave? No. Holyflare? No. So if Grack is mafia maybe the last 3 mafia is then in Oats/yamato/Koshi/Risen. So Koshi has solved the game then. Gratz. | ||
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On February 11 2014 22:33 marvellosity wrote: Maybe less likely with geript? Wouldn't say much else though. Because those people, if mafia with Grack, are bussing him or the other way around. If that's the case then i don't mind because mafia is going to lose because they run out of mislynches. WoS and grack need to call each other scum. Grack is calling Vayne scum already, geript has to call grack scum, okay maybe VE could be mafia with him because he has this fishy "idk how to read grack so i just ignore him kthxbye" stance. Holyflare has a scumread on Grack and an converstion "going on" where he is accusing Grack. So, good job bussing to the limit if Grack is mafia. | ||
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On February 11 2014 22:33 Palmar wrote: I think that mafia team is a long stretch. Also I don't know why geript/grack cant be mafia together, I thought that push was clearly half-assed. The thing is geript needs to follow that up. I guarantee you i will/would 100% push geript lynch on D3 if i am/was alive in case he comes up with a sudden town read on Grack, because grack's play has not changed a single bit from D1. If he is bussing then good fucking job, that will fall apart at some point. | ||
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On February 11 2014 22:38 marvellosity wrote: Mafia won with that strat quite recently if you recall :p That's because town was full of supersoft's and other retarded people who wanted to lynch townies because "there had to be scum in.yamato's mayorwagon" and for other stupid shit. | ||
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On February 11 2014 22:38 marvellosity wrote: Mafia won with that strat quite recently if you recall :p Also last 2 times when mafia went bussing and town actually knew what they did was Quiet game where scum conceded on N1, and Titanic II where all scum ended up dead on D4 despite the fact that Corazon shot obv-town HF, BH did nothing in the game and i didn't even want to lynch mafia but i had no other options because they just claimed scum and the last mafia who was somewhat hiding (because of all game bus) i thought was a cop and i shot him because he was too confident in his scumread on scum. soo... | ||
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On February 11 2014 22:56 Palmar wrote: btw is this normal holyflare play? big cases, loooow activity Not really no.. As either alignment. Big posts are as either alignment but activity should be better so i think it's not alignment indicative. I still need to look at his case on Cora, somehow it makes me think all the things HF said were brought up earlier and he just reworded them. | ||
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On February 11 2014 23:08 Palmar wrote: I wish we could clear like one or two people more. Quite impossible with the level of participation in this game. I personally do not think grack is mafia, so it leaves me with WoS/HF/VE/Vayne/yamato/geript/Oats. Maybe Koshi is just dumb!Koshi again. From those people yamato is probably the least likely to be mafia, but kinda impossible to say. meh.. | ||
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On February 11 2014 23:12 Koshi wrote: It can't be helped you are most likely mafia out of Palmar/marv. If you are going to help post a real fucking read on someone and not some arbitary bullshit you know is 99% not true in the first place. | ||
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On February 11 2014 23:27 marvellosity wrote: Palmar, that VA stuff is the best stuff on yamato there is, I think. Defending someone as readable and then casually saying you could lynch him is pretty sketch. I think i get yamato's thought process there but i'll let him answer, let's see what he says. | ||
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On February 11 2014 23:35 yamato77 wrote: The stars aligned and you sheeped my case on Cora before anyone else. And then we mislynched. Bad strategy yamato, you should have gone after me first. | ||
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On February 11 2014 23:50 marvellosity wrote: Wave or VE what? For the last mafia. Assuming Koshi is town. geript, Oats, Vayne for the first three. | ||
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On February 12 2014 00:01 Palmar wrote: we have plenty of time right? or is this phase shorter? This phase ends tonight. | ||
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On February 11 2014 03:39 VisceraEyes wrote: Rayn you've been calling me scum this whole cycle. Forgive me if I take EVERYTHING you say with a grain of salt. On February 11 2014 03:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Like you say you listen to me but you cherrypick two one-line posts to try and disprove me "pushing" Vayne. Why didn't you include the post where I provide the reasoning for my read rayn? Because you're not interested in "figuring me out", you're interested in garnering enough thread sentiment to lynch me. On February 11 2014 03:47 VisceraEyes wrote: I am talking to you - if you're on the cusp of rage that's your thing, not mine. I never said I wouldn't talk to or listen to you. I said I'd take everything you say with a grain of salt - meaning that because I'm a scumread of yours, you're obviously not going to be talking to me about your real scumreads and you're only trying to get me to "slip" or whatever and everything you say has a sole purpose of getting me lynched whenever the opportunity arises. So rage on friend. It makes literally zero difference to me. If you're town then perhaps your rage will make you see things differently. This is a set of posts that bother me the most about VE. Especially the bolded parts. He kinda says i am mafia because why else would you write the bolds? But right after the nominations he says i am an universal townread (which was not even true). These two do not go together very well for me. | ||
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On February 12 2014 00:18 marvellosity wrote: No, what he's saying is that you are town and you think he's mafia (and you're possibly tunnelled), so you're just trying to make him slipup and reveal things rather than talk genuinely about his scumreads. However, that doesn't actually make the posts look any better, because if he's town and he thinks you're town, he should be looking to convince you that your scumread on him is incorrect. Well apparently he thinks i am town. Has VE just become 100x worse player he used to be? Like what's that shit then? | ||
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On February 12 2014 00:24 marvellosity wrote: I'm not sure, it's kinda insidious. I don't know if you remember in LXIV, he kept telling people to go away who thought he might be scum. For example I read coag as clear town in that game because he'd engaged in VE, VE had told him to shit off, and coag thought he'd caught VE (they were both town for anyone wondering). I think VE did the same to you as well maybe? This game, those posts... they aren't that blatant compared to LXIV. You've not come across to me as particularly tunnelled on VE, so his posts repeatedly saying he won't engage with you because you're just going to be unfair come across quite badly indeed. To be fair i talked with Coag about his scumread on VE in LXIV and it was because of "this one 100% scumtell from OMGUS.net where VE bolds random words and that's why VE is scum". That was his reasoning, or at least what he gave me, not that VE told him to "fuck off" because VE always tells people to fuck off, especially as town. But yeah, the explanations in those posts do not make any sense to me unless he thinks i am mafia, which can't be true because he called me town a bit after that. | ||
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On February 12 2014 00:26 marvellosity wrote: One thing about VE that makes me wary of being sure he's mafia is that I somehow feel that as scum he'd push some agenda more. Mafia-VE has never ever been afraid to push an agenda, and I don't really see it very much here. The thing is does he really have to? Or rather has there been a point in this game where he needed to d oso? We were pretty set on lynching Cora on D1 because he decided it was cool to not play at all. There was pretty much nothing mafia needed to do and especially considering me, you and palmar are very very VERY likely to be town why would you need to push any agenda instead of keeping options open when one of yours is not even close of getting lynched? | ||
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On February 12 2014 00:29 marvellosity wrote: Well the thing about VE is that it's not really that he "needs" to, he just "does". I don't remember a single scum-VE game where there isn't a clear direction in his play. Correct me if i am wrong but VE's play has changed a lot since his last scumgame? | ||
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On February 12 2014 01:04 Grackaroni wrote: No he's right. If Palmar is scum then he can make it to the end without having to do much else of anything this game; we are pretty much accepting he is town at that point. So do you think he is mafia then? | ||
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On February 12 2014 01:05 Koshi wrote: Hey, I am telling you guys that if there is a mafia between these it is most likely rayn. Like, when rayn flips mafia out of the freaking blue there isn't that much to go on that was pushed by rayn himself into this thread. Which is really lacking in his play this game. Like where are the 2 certain scumreads rayn had right before nomination and where are they after thread suddenly went. Let's lynch rayn guys, it's not Palmar. It was Oats and geript. Now yo ucan go do something productive. | ||
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On February 12 2014 01:07 Palmar wrote: rayn so I don't have to go through your filter and to shut koshi up. What were the scumreads you intendend to announce (even if they're outdated by now). Oats and geript. | ||
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On February 12 2014 01:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think Oats/geript/Vayne/yamato is a fine scumteam. Why not Wave? | ||
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On February 12 2014 01:10 Koshi wrote: Then why didn't you add something nice to what marv said about Oats but instead you just went +1 on marv his thing. I don't remember what we said about geript. rayn, bro, I know it is unlikely you are scum. But I got this nagging feeling that out of the marv/Palmar/you the chance that it is you is so much higher than the other 2. So much. Also this game is really good so I don't have to tunnel you so much in other games and 1 of you need to die anyway. I was totes nice to you in the previous games PYP, LXIV and SMB. Because there is nothing Oats has done all game long. | ||
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On February 12 2014 01:13 marvellosity wrote: No-one is flipping Koshi this game unless it's in a nomination lynch. Yes i agree with this, i was just mad at him. | ||
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On February 12 2014 01:14 marvellosity wrote: I like rayn too, didn't stop me pursuing him like a bitch in heat last game :d I won the town over but unfortunately you had a gun. | ||
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Do you think geript made a purposely shitty case on his scumbuddy Grack on D1? Or do you think he thought his case would be good and he did it in fear that Grack could be lynched (knowing he is mafia)? Both seem unlike to me. | ||
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On February 12 2014 01:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you think geript made a purposely shitty case on his scumbuddy Grack on D1? Or do you think he thought his case would be good and he did it in fear that Grack could be lynched (knowing he is mafia)? Both seem unlike to me. Like the first one can possible draw attention to him (which it in fact kinda did) and the second one might draw attention to Grack now or later. So what's the point as mafia? I mean it's possible, and to be investigated but i think it's unlike because it's dumb. | ||
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Yeah you have called pretty much all the players in the game scum and now you have about 7 scumreads with no reasoning given. To me that does not count as doing something productive. | ||
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On February 12 2014 01:32 Risen wrote: Option two doesn't seem so far fetched given... stuff. To me it does. Unless you are gonna do a Risen and just kill the fuck out of the town after that. | ||
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On February 12 2014 01:36 Oatsmaster wrote: I have 3 scumreads with 4 leaning scummy but really quite null. l2read. l2bgoodatmafia. If someone can tell me why you think anyone of your reads is mafia besides Vayne (read on yamato does not count because apparently it's based on misinterpretation/misreading) i am willing say you are right and i am wrong. You have thrown some arbitary names with no reasoning behind any of them and that's what always gets you mislynched when you are town. When people who are willing to read you ask you stuff you don't give them anything. Then they die (in this case two of me/marv/Palmar) and then close to LYLO scum AND town goes "yeah Oats is mafia because he was just coasting by and refused to explain anything" and then it's too late. Trust me Oats, that's what happens ALWAYS when you get mislynched. And there is noone to blame but you, you refuse to play the game properly when it actually matters and you drive yourself into position where there is no other way than to lynch you regardless of your alignment. That's really sad because you are capable of decent play if you just want to.- | ||
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Ultimate phase of the best contributions ever! You can show these last 30 pages to your friends and all the new people on TL mafia to show how to play mafia. Be sure to ignore everything me/Palmar/marv said, apparently that all was useless. good night. i hope i am not alive on D4. | ||
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On February 12 2014 07:11 Koshi wrote: Well I also did other things. To be fair not enough talk about who is towniest out of these 3. By a lot of people. I would never lynch you if not vs msrv palmar. That was the most useless topic anyone could possibly talk about this phase. | ||
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On February 12 2014 07:19 Holyflare wrote: well i'll tell you names now; grack/wos/geript/va expect walls of text with all their names on it soon so if i've found mafia (i'm pretty sure i have) then what else can i be doing in my downtime from writing the cases other than reasoning out this lynch that's happening now? It doesn't really matter who we lynch now because it's irrelevant because we are all town. The discussion about who has 1% chance or who has 0% chance of flipping scum is fucking retarded. It's like having 3 blue claims in a game where there can be 3 blues and all you can talk about is who is fakeclaiming if someone is. lol. But yeah, those 4 stand out for me the most too. Drop in Oats if Vayne is somehow town (i think he could be, if he is just being dumb and refuses to do shit like he unfortunately does as town because he is just dumb). | ||
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On February 12 2014 07:27 Holyflare wrote: no but palmar admits himself that his scum hunting falls off after day 1 so the best vote is on him because you and marv do not lose scum hunting abilities in that time If i am alive there is going to be a problem where Koshi and Oats will refuse to cooperate and regardless of their alignment that's bad for town. Trust me, Koshi is going to get paranoid at some point and Oats continues being an idiot. I can 100% tell that's what is going to happen. | ||
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On February 12 2014 07:31 Holyflare wrote: so you're saying we should lynch you so as to stop one guy who we think is town and 1 guy who we don't have a clue about not cooperating? I am saying if we do not lynch me Oats is better be scum because he will lose the game for the town if he is town. | ||
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On February 12 2014 08:10 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I'm suspicious of yamato, why do my posts about him not count as anything Rayn? Why are the nominees the only ones whose contributions count? Bullshit. I dunno, should i think yo uare REALLY suspicious of yamato? After this: On February 12 2014 01:09 VisceraEyes wrote: I think Oats/geript/Vayne/yamato is a fine scumteam. On February 12 2014 01:10 VisceraEyes wrote: OH YEAH KOSHI. Oats/geript/Vayne/Koshi. ftw. On February 12 2014 01:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Well, any of those dudes, then yamato, then wave. To me. Does not look like it VE. | ||
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Well that's like.. hmm, everyone in the game besides me/Palmar/marv/Grackaroni. Do you think it helps a lot? | ||
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On February 12 2014 09:22 VayneAuthority wrote: honestly it was just a mistake for me to join this setup. There is literally nothing I can analyze well in this setup with no PRs and no real lynches. Live and learn. You are perfectly capable of doing behavioural analysis as town Vayne. | ||
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On February 12 2014 09:25 marvellosity wrote: What really sucks from my perspective is at this point of the game I'm still pretty lost. A whole tonne of people could be mafia but they could also still be town. A lot of stuff got discussed today but the net result of it is that the people i already thought were town I continued to think were town, and the people I think/thought were mafia could still be mafia but I still don't really know. Finding it almost impossible to pick out any sensible 4 man team. geript, wave, wos, va, oats, grack... could be any of them, and probably mafia outside these names too, and I just don't know. Sucks. The problem is they don't talk to each other. This is like a conversation between the people who look town <-> other people and then everyone just disagrees with themselves being mafia but do not try to find mafia. Impossible to tell who is scum. | ||
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