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On February 10 2014 23:59 marvellosity wrote: Why do this thing that literally no-one else picked up on but me? the net of it is this Oats. Vayne decided to "shenannie" on to you and gave some vague crap reasons. Actually that's a perfectly decent play and if it had been left there it would look quite normal. The kicker is that I decided to press him on it and he actually had no good answer for his actions, and then he just shut up and hoped it went away. | ||
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On February 11 2014 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah Vayne looks pretty bad aswell. Do you remember what game it is that Vayne was mafia in and he made that small post about WoS saying he'd looked fine or town from his earlier posting, I pressed him on it, and he was unable to actually back up his post properly? Was it first iteration of LXIV? | ||
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On February 11 2014 00:10 Palmar wrote: Sure, it's strange, but are you certain there is benefit in mafia for doing what he did? I just decided it was illogical as either faction really. I don't believe "getting off a wagon" is a thing because anyone who is reading the game knows he was on Corazon, in addition he didn't do anything to claim credit for "moving off Cora". He made a random statement about the attitude of Cora that may well be right. I actually agree Cora's hyper aggressiveness at the end made him less likely to be scum. So why did he do it? Shenanigans? sure, but is that alignment indicative? Maybe it is, please explain to me why. I had a weak town-read on him for some early game posts. Most notably this one. This just felt like a pretty good random observation to make at the time. It's a bit of Vivax logic but I like vivax logic. Also this feels like sort-of straightforward attitude. I'm no expert at reading this guy obviously, but I need to be convinced that I should think he's scum. I wish he participated more though. VA makes more good observations as mafia than town because as mafia he knows all the answers already | ||
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On February 11 2014 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv what's your stance on VE? Dunno. His filter told me nothing at all but that doesn't have to make him mafia. See LXIV for similar I guess. I need him to interact with the thread. | ||
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On February 11 2014 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem is LXIV was a PM game, he was talking with WoS constantly and a lot. He in fact had thoughts, he just did not feel the need to bring them into the thread. This is a different game, he is just idk.. saying some random stuff?? That's how it feels like to me. He's not really trying to talk to anyone and doesn't care if people even pay attention to what he says. The stuff he says looks "clean" but does not really have an effect to anything. Hiding in plain sight if you know what i mean? There is nothing he is trying to accomplish, which makes sense as mafia especially given that Corazon was town. I know, I know, and I cannot disagree with anything you say. Like your paragraph is a perfectly good case on him. I'd just like to give him some more time I guess. I can see him playing this way as town. | ||
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On February 10 2014 06:52 Grackaroni wrote: This is the only part I'm going to address. I'm definitely less confident about being correct with reads this game; I don't have anyone I really want to lynch too strongly except maybe Marv but he's actually made himself hard to read by just refusing to chat with me. And yet On February 10 2014 09:34 Grackaroni wrote: Lulz Yamato. I probably should have known but Marv was super confident he would rage and that's just hard to ignore. On February 10 2014 10:05 Grackaroni wrote: Sooooo who's getting nominated? I bet it will be Marv/Palmar/Yamato and his playful "blaming" of me for the lynch don't seem to suggest a mafiaread on me. | ||
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On February 09 2014 17:53 WaveofShadow wrote: No you know what? Reading that made me angry at VA's contribution level. And whenever I get angry at VA's contribution level he's town, without fail. That's where I stand on that. ##Vote: Koshi "VA looks town because he's bad, therefore I will vote Koshi" His thing where your "buddying" of me felt bad also raised my eyebrows. And his VE attitude & interactions... On February 09 2014 15:24 WaveofShadow wrote: FUcking ##unvote ##Vote: VE He does this after literally talking about Koshi non-stop for the last century. Why? Because VE didn't answer his questions. Wave and VE have a kind of thang going on which makes this hard to assess. But given whatever their thang is, I find it quite odd that he's willing to throw a vote on VE because VE hasn't answered him yet? He then drops it because he apparently found an answer from VE that he'd missed. Then VE is kinda left behind and Wave goes back to only talking about Koshi/VA etc. | ||
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By the way your point that I didn't make is bang on rayn - for all his talk on Koshi/VA, he never really tried to convince people on to him very much, and he barely mentions Corazon. Ctrl-f Cora in his filter... he questions a couple of people about Cora, and on page 2 he says he doesn't like something from Cora. But that is *it*. He never gives a real opinion on the person who was heading for the gallows for a long time. Was Wave happy with the Cora lynch? Was his vote on Koshi because Koshi is mafia but maybe Cora is also mafia? If he thought Cora was town, he should have been campaigning against the lynch. If he thought he had a decent chance to flip mafia... then he certainly never said so. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 09 2014 04:41 WaveofShadow wrote: What exactly are you referring to do when you say 'geript being geript?' I don't know I'd go so far as to say he was 'shitting up the thread,' but it was him I was referring to when I said his early efforts seemed 'forced,' not you. Cora, I have a problem. See, you share ideas that I somewhat agree with in that I believe something is 'up' with geript, and this though, I suppose and obvious question isn't exactly alignment indicative when we're both thinking it, (btw Koshi I am VERY interested in this particular question) but this post. I hate it. On one hand it seems like the kind of stuff I'd say as town, (ie drawing attention to yourself by saying having no scum-reads might be a cop-out, being all apologetic) but then why does this only apply to you? Cora what is your D1 play normally like? But the it looks like you're drawing distinctions where you feel like drawing them. Like it looks like you're afraid of Rayn (or maybe me lol) and throwing suspicion at yamato when Rayn literally said it was yamato's post that made him think you were scummy in the first place! Also you're saying the scumteam is hugely lurky IS a cop-out. Do you think everyone who has posted so far is town? Is yamato scum for saying what he did? Attacks Cora, doesn't call him mafia but attacks him. Whatever, that doesn't have to mean the world. On February 09 2014 05:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Any relevant thoughts? Ohai VE, can we let's have talk plz? VE, why was Cora's answer here acceptable to you? It looks as though this was you letting HIM 'off the hook' considering how quickly he dropped it after a smile from you. And considering Cora's posting in the game so far, you categorize him as 'lazy' townie? He doesn't look lazy to me. Cora is scummy? On February 09 2014 10:34 WaveofShadow wrote: The rationale you explained actually does make sense, but the problem is like I said, it involves me simply trusting you and taking your word for it, and I can't do that. Since Palmar appears to be ignoring me for the moment, is there anything else we can discuss then? Thoughts on Cora perhaps and his refusal to 'defend himself' (when all I really expected was some sort of response)? Question... On February 09 2014 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote: Yamato do you think Cora is scum or not? You're harping on shit that has already been brought up: Or alternatively have a look at what I wrote about Koshi. Marv is the only person aside from Koshi himself who has bothered to talk to me about it. Also I just realized, we haven't heard from Holyflare and VE STILL hasn't answered my damn questions. This was the last I heard from him, I made my post and he hasn't responded to that OR the specific questions I asked him. Fuck this I probably should just assume marv is town every game and just lick his asshole because he's often the only one that bothers to read anything I write. Question... On February 09 2014 17:55 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm going to bed. Yamato consider VA and Koshi again. I believe one of them is likely scum. Both have done nothing all day. One is playing like ass and making no excuses for his play, and martyring to some degree. The other is acting odd as all hell, and hiding behind the strong players in the game. My money's on Koshi. Going to bed - no mention of main lynch target On February 10 2014 03:26 WaveofShadow wrote: Phoneposting Not following the rage from Koshi All he has done this game is suck up to the big names in this game and hide behind their egos Only does relevant things when attention is drawn to it/under pressure. Super town And I must say I hate this technique of bullying the hell out of people who vote for you Looks like you've taught Koshi well marv, soon everybody can act like an asshat. Vote stays---raging and acting antitown on top of a previous useless day doesn't make me want to unvote you, if anything it makes me want to remove you from the game more the only way I know how Back later Vote stays on Koshi - no mention of Cora We have this post after the lynch On February 10 2014 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright back. I can't say I'm entirely surprised with the way the lynch today went---I don't care what other people say it certainly did look 'too easy,' and while I doubt I would have necessarily fought against it, especially since my lynch wagon on Koshi lost any support, I would have at least mentioned that fact as geript did. (Make of that what you will, obviously can't prove any of it.) Cora didn't exactly look great to me either but I was waffling on it throughout the day so in the end I'm happy my vote is on scum, whether you guys are willing to believe it or not. Hindsight is a beautiful thing, isn't it? As is being absent (which normally Wave advertises in advance). The crux of the matter in the end is - do I believe his push on Koshi? so in the end I'm happy my vote is on scum, whether you guys are willing to believe it or not. Why would any townie be happy about this? And how can he possibly be so sure when players who know Koshi very well like rayn and marv are extremely sceptical of Koshi being mafia? Where does this misplaced assuredness come from I wonder? | ||
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On February 11 2014 01:26 Palmar wrote: Let's assume WoS is mafia. I take it to mean that your story here marv, is that WoS is softly pushing Corazon, but decides against joining that wagon in favor of trying to buy town credit for not being on the mislynch and then raging about it? Let's broaden the question too, do you think the wagon on Corazon was a "safe" wagon for the mafia. Do you think there are multiple scum on him? Bold - that's not quite it. Maybe I'm finding it hard to express clearly. It's not "softly pushing" - like whether he is softly pushing or softly defending or whatever isn't really the deal. The deal is more that he has very little clear opinion on the main wagon, which is pretty unusual for Wave, to say the least. I also don't think it's specifically about buying town credit either, although the last post I quoted kinda looks like that with the "at least i'm happy my vote was on mafia". It's more that I'd expect a clearer message on the main wagon. And how his Koshi push looks & feels. Yes, I think the Corazon wagon was a safe one. Without looking at the votelist, I'd expect at least 2 mafia to be on that wagon. | ||
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