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On February 10 2014 23:50 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2014 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 10 2014 23:34 geript wrote:On February 10 2014 23:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why is Wave your "townbuddy" because his top scumread seems to be Koshi which is totally different from your reads geript? Bc wave and I have history and at a specific point i get an exact understanding of where he's at. Like Marv/VE or you/Koshi. I just think he's wrong on Koshi. So you just let him be wrong about Koshi and don't really give a shit? But i might be scum because i am right on Koshi? On February 10 2014 23:35 geript wrote:On February 10 2014 23:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 10 2014 23:31 geript wrote:
Because for you I need to look at how and when you pushed things in the thread and where thread sentiment was going and then look at those people. And Vayne because I don't feel like I've gotten to a satisfactory point on him. I am mostly interested in why you need to loo kat me over yamato who did the exact same things than me on D1 except that i actually got my target lynched and he didn't really seem like he cared for the most of the D1. Because I've played more with you than I have with him and feel like from voice I can get a solid read on you. Well this is quite bullshit because trying to compare voice mafia meta to forum mafia meta is bad and never holds any water.. I let him do his thing on Koshi because my time is pretty limited 1 so my ability to read thoroughly is down, because he should read me as obv town by now (and at least consider my opinion), because our schedules haven't seemed to align yet and because Wave needs the back and forth. Besides, at no point has Koshi ever been under any actual realistic lynch potential. I really don't get why you'd expect me to protect a townread when there's no chance of him being lynched right now. No, I think you might be scum because of how/when you pushed things. With you I need to go into more depth in a read than just filters. And yes, while voice doesn't transfer over 100% I don't think it's a 0% rate either. Like you make conscientious attempts to protect your scum bros until they're Unsalvageable.
So do you care at all about the Koshi wagon which had no case behind it and some people just throwing their votes on Koshi and not commenting on Corazon at all. Namely VE and Oats as WoS actually provided even a read on Koshi although it was not strong.
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Like Oats was going against his own lynch target (Cora) for idk what reason.
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Also VE was defending Cora but didn't want to lynch anyone himself. I think VE is mafia, probably my strongest read atm.
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Yeah Vayne looks pretty bad aswell.
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On February 11 2014 00:06 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah Vayne looks pretty bad aswell. Do you remember what game it is that Vayne was mafia in and he made that small post about WoS saying he'd looked fine or town from his earlier posting, I pressed him on it, and he was unable to actually back up his post properly? Was it first iteration of LXIV?
Yes it was.
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marv what's your stance on VE?
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Palmar that's what Vayne does as mafia, especially if he feels like he hasn't contributed much and has not payed attention to the thread. He follows his "town meta" with some comment about someone trusting that people will read him as town for it because that's what he does as town, gives some random observations about some things.
After that LXIV game (the post marv pointed out) he even said that. He didn't read the thread properly and felt like he needed to post something and made something up he could not back up later.
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On February 11 2014 00:12 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2014 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
marv what's your stance on VE? Dunno. His filter told me nothing at all but that doesn't have to make him mafia. See LXIV for similar I guess. I need him to interact with the thread.
The problem is LXIV was a PM game, he was talking with WoS constantly and a lot. He in fact had thoughts, he just did not feel the need to bring them into the thread. This is a different game, he is just idk.. saying some random stuff?? That's how it feels like to me. He's not really trying to talk to anyone and doesn't care if people even pay attention to what he says. The stuff he says looks "clean" but does not really have an effect to anything. Hiding in plain sight if you know what i mean? There is nothing he is trying to accomplish, which makes sense as mafia especially given that Corazon was town.
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That's the problem. Not many people gave shit about what happened on D1 and that's really bad.
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Palmar who do you think is mafia? I have a hard time following where you are atm.
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Grack do you have any scumreads?
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WoS is amongst the players who actually seem like they are trying to do something.
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The only thing i don't understand is Wave's read on Koshi. The evolving of it does not make any sense to me. And also he didn't ever try to oppose the Corazon lynch while he had a scumread on one of VA/Koshi (wtf is this btw?), then he just puts his vote on Koshi with no real case, and bitches about the lynch to other people after it.
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lol marv. 
this means you are town.
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If someone gets nominated with us they are also town.
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imo Slam was pretty clearly town based on how happy he was. Someone (geript maybe?) said you read Slam based purely on if he is happy or not and i think that's true.
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On February 11 2014 01:07 marvellosity wrote:
I've also had naughty thoughts running along the lines of "if Wave is mafia, that explains why I'm confused and nothing seems to make sense this game"
By the way your point that I didn't make is bang on rayn - for all his talk on Koshi/VA, he never really tried to convince people on to him very much, and he barely mentions Corazon.
Ctrl-f Cora in his filter... he questions a couple of people about Cora, and on page 2 he says he doesn't like something from Cora. But that is *it*. He never gives a real opinion on the person who was heading for the gallows for a long time. Was Wave happy with the Cora lynch? Was his vote on Koshi because Koshi is mafia but maybe Cora is also mafia? If he thought Cora was town, he should have been campaigning against the lynch. If he thought he had a decent chance to flip mafia... then he certainly never said so.
That's what bothers me about everyone who did not want to lynch Corazon (or implied so by having their vote on someone else) besides geript. Noone did anything about the lynch. I thought Corazon had a decent chance of flipping mafia because of what i said on D1, in case you are town too (which i am quite sure of now - and was a bit less, but still quite sure about on D1) there is very little mafia can do even if Corazon is mafia and therefore the size of the wagon and the lack of resistance does not really matter (for example see some of the last games where scum have been lynched on D1, Quiet mini mafia (pretty much considered only 2 scum for D1 lynch and a weak early push on town!yamato), NMM (only a scumwagon until they claimed, then we lynched another scum), LXIV (only real lynch candidates were Derrida/Xatalos besides BH's dumb plan to not elect and lynch you)).
But if those people thought Corazon is not mafia (which WoS' posts indicate, as he says "if i was here bla bla...") why not try to lynch someone else? Like really try to lynch someone else.
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The buddying comment from WoS just started bothering me again. I don't know why would he say that in the first place. That's what i pretty much ALWAYS do. Or stay silent and see what marv does.
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Palmar why does Holyflare look okay?
I found his post about some of the votes worrying. This one:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442512¤tpage=41#803
This to me (especially considering the timing) looks like "let's find some people suspicious given that Cora will flip town". This posts doesn't seem to be achieving anything and Holyflare brings it up later with a mindset that to me reads like "look what i said earlier".
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