I thought holy was scum all along, his insistence oats wasn't scum convinced me to try oats instead.

I mean, given how little risen and oats contributed we never really stood a chance.

Palmar

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February 19 2014 00:41 GMT

#3362

btw, I'm policy lynching anyone who claims afk or too busy to play.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 19 2014 00:46 GMT

#3367

And yeah it was close. I didn't feel like I could swing the lynch onto holy (after he whipped up a massive case for Oats town I was 100% sure he was scum, no one reads that much in that short time and reaches a conclusion on it all).

So I tried Oats.

And half of town afk ^^

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 19 2014 00:51 GMT

#3380

Koshi and Grack were town for the most part, both pretty easy reads.

My main problem is I could never establish enough townies. Even this last day I was only sure VE was town.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 19 2014 00:55 GMT

#3383

Lynching him was the wrong play, and so was lynching Grack the next nomination, but I don't think neither of those count as big blunders. I think our main mistakes were on day 2 when we lynched VA over holyflare (and with 4 townies on the VA lynch, all the mafia was voting random shitheads here and there).

And of course this last day. I needed 2 townies I could be fairly secure in, I only had one.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 19 2014 00:56 GMT

#3384

On February 19 2014 09:52 Holyflare wrote:

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Yeh, what you said makes sense. What Palmar said doesn't

I don't really use meta. He didn't do shit, he dies.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 19 2014 00:56 GMT

#3387

reading the meta is just a tiny part. I had long since wanted to lynch him.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 19 2014 00:58 GMT

#3389

nope

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 19 2014 00:59 GMT

#3391

I also wish you'd have let me kill you VE, having an overzealous lynch HF grack in lylo would've been fun.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 19 2014 01:02 GMT

#3404

yeah WoS was the scum I had town read on for most of the game. HF did well in getting VE on his side.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 19 2014 01:04 GMT

#3410

On February 19 2014 10:00 VayneAuthority wrote:
i mean its not even close, WoS played far and away better then the other 3 scum but whatevs lol

You need to get better at defending yourself against lynches.

I liked some of the stuff you posted, but you can't just give up and get lynched dude, gotta make lynching you a pain in the ass.

Palmar

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February 19 2014 01:08 GMT

#3418

On February 19 2014 09:59 marvellosity wrote:
the more i think about it the more it feels that town (me) let this slip out of our hands. not blaming anyone and wp mafia for seeing the game through. just frustrating because it seems like it should have been quite doable.

Everybody fucked up buddy, Koshi and VE were on VA too, and it wasn't like I was actively defending him even if I had an idea that HF was the better lynch at the time.

The day 1 lynch was a shame because Cora basically did nothing the entire day except rage at me for calling geript scum.

I am btw requesting a ban on Cora for what could possibly be taken as an indication he doesn't think I'm town in his post-death post. The "Fuck you Palmar" following the gg gl town, can possibly be taken to mean that he thinks I'm not part of this town he's wishing good luck, and that is trying to influence the game post-death

Palmar

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February 19 2014 01:09 GMT

#3419

On February 19 2014 10:05 VayneAuthority wrote:

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honestly unless you or some one else ever planned on lynching WoS it doesn't matter in the end because I would have never lynched him even in 3 way.

Well if you had gotten out of that lynch, we'd have nailed holy, and that gives us a mislynch to play with.

I can do a lot more when I don't have to worry about fucking the game up if I'm wrong.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 19 2014 01:13 GMT

#3423

VA didn't make it an easy choice not to lynch him. I know some people like this stupid "I don't post a lot ever" style, but sometimes you need to explain yourself. I'm not smart enough to read between the lines all the time with people who just don't care.

Also, can someone now tell me why everyone is raging so hard all the time? It's ridiculous.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 19 2014 01:16 GMT

#3424

On February 19 2014 10:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
there is no point in blaming anyone, it's a team game at any rate. I just was not sure how to combat that particular lynch because there was nothing I could say that could diffuse the accusations made against me. They were true but didn't make me mafia.

What I do is I just start explaining things over the top. I know I posted what is being used to accuse me with as town, so all I have to do is write a case as to why this could have been posted by town-me.

Note, I'm not blaming you at all dude. We fucked up, all of us. I don't think anyone in town is really free of this mess. I'm just pointing out one thing you can do better.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 19 2014 01:17 GMT

#3426

Anyway, good night.

gg wp

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

February 19 2014 11:21 GMT

#3489

I think mafia nominations were very good throughout. I feel like they played it safe and took advantage of town blunders and lazyness. Mafia didn't have to make a big play to win this game, this was good and solid, but not historical scum performance, they simply did what they had to do. I don't think there is much to criticize in mafia play. The setup is a bit strange in terms that it's very steamrolly. Town has very little room for error, but if town figures out like 2-3 townies outside of the nominations, scum can get fucked over really, really fast.

ie: both sides can steamroll really hard in this setup.

Palmar

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February 19 2014 11:22 GMT

#3490

On February 19 2014 18:51 marvellosity wrote:

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yes, of course. rayn/palmar/koshi were the easy townreads because they actually tried. it will always be so.

One day I hope I get into a mafia game where everyone tries. That'd be good.

Palmar

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February 19 2014 11:28 GMT

#3491

I really like yamato's summary of the game, I think it is for the most part quite accurate.

Although I actually think scum needs the shot. They need to be able to get rid of that asshole confirmed townie who is raping everyone and everything.

The time issue is another thing. Maybe we could figure out a way to have scum submit the nomination lynch during the day (submit 3 people with 1 backup, in case one of the three gets lynched?) Then we treat the nomination lynch as "nights". This would give town the normal 48h/24h cycle and keep the game interesting for longer.

I had literally nothing to do from the moment we lynched VA until the last day, I did try to get VE lynched (for good reasons yo!) but that wasn't even necessary. The Keirathi lynch was a default by then.

Palmar

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February 19 2014 11:43 GMT

#3494

On February 19 2014 10:36 Grackaroni wrote:

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Yeah I agree. Either Palmar is trolling or he just dislikes Cora and is trying to ban him for cursing him.

Not trolling. And while I think there is very little chance anyone listens to it, there is always a tiny chance. No reason we should tolerate anything like this. When you're out of the game you've ceased to have the right to have public opinions on anything in the game until it's over.

I am very much in favor of strict rules. (I hand out modkills like candy if I need to in my games).

All it takes is one idiot to read too much into a message like this, and let's say for a second that Cora holds the same amount of respect as someone like marv, or syllo or foolishness does... boom, the game is no longer valid.