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On February 05 2014 14:53 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Vote: Oatsmaster I agree with the cases from suki and balla. I dislike the way that he has been trying to push my lynch and I think it is scummy, using poor reasoning and was attempting to use diversion tactics to avoid scrutiny/explaining himself but Balla forced him to follow through. I read LoneMeow as town right now. I'm going to wait to explain this so he gets a chance to defend himself without interference. @Cakeman who do you think is scum and why? You have spent more time defending townreads than searching out scum. Can we change that? On February 06 2014 01:19 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm still thinking you Oats...Koshi gets upset and says you should be reading him as town by now, so you proceed to read him as town. Seems legit. I'm willing to lynch cakeman, wont lynch LoneMeow*. *Unless I have to in order to save myself Then this. Could you elaborate on 1) Why you think he's town 2) Why you would lynch him to save yourself if you think he's town? | ||
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Balla24
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On February 06 2014 03:03 Hopeless1der wrote: He's fully aware of the fact that he looks bad and is able to compare his own status with my own. I feel like he'd have taken a shot at getting me lynched when he was asking jay about why himself and not me. He's been in a similar state to me where a majority of the thread is offhandedly commenting that "he's bad, I could lynch him for being useless" (referring to both me and LM). However there was never a real push to get him lynched (except Jay and the more recent developments) whereas there has been one on me. Again, why not just take the "easy" way out? He still hasnt dropped a vote after repeated requests, despite having 2-3 viable targets to say "lets get this guy". The reasoning for debating cakeman's scumminess or why koshi's case on JonnyLaw is flawed looks good to me. He doesn't beat around the bush so I end up with a good understanding of what he's thinking. His questions are pointed and aim to get more information into the thread. The worst thing about him is that he rarely follows up with his questions, but koshi is dead on when he mentions LXIII. Pre-edit to your amended question 1) answered above 2) I know I'm town duh. Silly question. No it's not a silly question. If you get lynched it's your own damn fault, you don't lynch someone you think is town because of it, you push someone you think is scummy and try to convince that way. I can show you multiple places where he is beating around the bush: + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2014 20:17 LoneMeow wrote: Even though he unvoted without any new input from me and without providing pretty much any reason at all? (Here he could have just said what he thought from the get go, and then he still doesn't say his conclusion afterwards) On February 05 2014 01:10 LoneMeow wrote: Hopeless1der has not produced anything that I find directly useful for deducing his alignment. Which, in itself, could become alignment indicative. cakemanofdoom seems to post pretty freely which makes me lean town on him, but I found this weird: Why did he single out me as someone who has not posted much and claim I'm scummy based on that, given that at the time there were many others who would fit the criteria aswell? Whereas you said he is not doing that. He still hasn't placed his vote. Took him ages to actually post a scum read. That's beating around the bush to me. | ||
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On February 06 2014 03:23 Hopeless1der wrote: balla pretend the votes are 5-5 and my vote is on cakeman. Its 5 minutes to deadline. What do I do? I disagree that taking ages to develop scumreads is waffling. [ I didn't say that, I said he's beating around the bush. Not that he's being indecisive. As town, I don't think you should have gotten yourself in that kind of situation. If you really think cakeman is scum, and the votes aren't going in your way, and you've done everything you think you can to convince town that you are not scum, lonemeow is not scum and cakeman is. Then you shouldn't vote lonemeow to save yourself because YOU THINK he's town, and the town sentiment clearly thinks you are scum. You saving yourself will just make you be a HUGE question mark for the rest of the game. | ||
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Do you disagree that he's beating around the bush in those quotes? | ||
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On February 06 2014 03:42 Hopeless1der wrote: woah I never said its towns fault for lynching me. I'm not going to cite the many instances where I self-depreciate my own play by calling it scummy because I do it in damn near every game. However, Balla is telling me I should kill myself to save town the grief of reading me later. Do you agree with him? I should knowingly allow a guaranteed mislynch to occur? I didn't say this at all. You should absolutely not roll over and die. I was expecting 2 types of responses from you on this subject: 1. Egotistical, "i'm better than the other guy so i'd prefer having me alive" 2. Where you try to see where i'm coming from. You went middle of the road. I don't know where that puts you. I think outright saying you would kill a someone you think is townie to save you is kinda weird. The act itself not at all. The way you explained yourself I think is ok too. | ||
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On February 06 2014 03:49 suki wrote: first off modkilling oneself is not in the spirit of the game. second, you're all seriously pressuring Hopeless solely on the point that he was afk for 24 hours? He can't do anything about that now but he seems to be putting in effort now. Nobody's getting modkilled. Not that at all. I'm pressuring hopeless on what I think is a faulty lonemeow town read and the fact that he said he would kill somebody he thinks he's townie to save himself. I don't think a town would SAY that so early. Actually doing it much later is totally normal from both alignments. | ||
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On February 06 2014 03:59 Hopeless1der wrote: Balla are you taking issue with the fact that I brought up the point about how I'd lynch LM over myself? The context of "I want to lynch scumread, I do not want to lynch townreads" isnt clear? I'm taking issue with the fact that you said it so early when it wasn't even close to coming to a situation like that yet. I don't know why you felt the need to add that you would lynch him to save yourself at that point in time. It wasn't even close to lynch time. To me, it's kind of like some sort of weird slip of information bias. Regardless, we've said enough about the subject. Like I said your followup is ok so. | ||
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Why have you basically done the same thing that got you in trouble last game (NMM1)? You made a case on oats. He defended himself and posted a case on hopeless, you retracted and also posted a case on hopeless, he defended himself and posted a case on cakeman, and so on and so forth. Who are some other people you would be ok with seeing die besides cakeman? | ||
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What's your opinion of Koshi now? | ||
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On February 06 2014 04:48 JonnyLaw wrote: Cakeman have you played a scum game? This play reminds me of my only scum game. Say enough to not try and get lynched. If you're not the prime candidate say nothing. Bum saved me from being lynched and got himself lynched instead by calling me confirmed town. Also my NMM1 game. | ||
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On February 06 2014 04:52 jaybrundage wrote: Where the hell is sidesprangs replacement : / yeah im kind of peeved about that... basically 24+ hours where we can't even consider a spot's alignment.... | ||
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Like I said before. If Koshi's Jonny case was purposefully misrepresenting what jonny was saying, then he's scum. But evidence points to that it wasn't on purpose. Another thing that is nagging me is I don't see anybody really doing anything together with Koshi. This is a terrible point since nobody has flipped but its still in the back of my mind. LoneMeow on the other hand, still isn't really changing what he's doing. It's the same stuff that people have been calling him out for and he didn't change. I'd still lynch Hopeless1der hard as hell too. ##unvote ##vote LoneMeow | ||
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On February 06 2014 05:18 LoneMeow wrote: That's actually what worries me most about him, since the town-Alakaslam I know plays far more scummy than this one :D This I do agree with. Not sure what to make of him overall. Point out what you're talking about. I only see a few posts where he seems more like scum-slam and FAR more non-sensical trolly town slam. | ||
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On February 06 2014 05:22 JonnyLaw wrote: Where'd hopeless go? He made a case and posted for an hour. All pressure seemingly dropped off him and he afks without commenting on Cakeman again or really trying to push the lynch. I'll look at Jay again LM. This is very true. Maybe he needed a break after our pretty silly argument. | ||
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If he is then compile something, if not then what are you posting this about in the first place. I totally understand what you are TRYING to say, but you need to just come out and say it. He has a few posts where he's pro-town non trolly sharing reads and whatever, but for the most part he's pretty trolly and non-sensical and cryptic. Which is town slam. So for the most part, I see him as town slam. | ||
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On February 06 2014 05:42 Alakaslam wrote: This is a legitimate concern if anyone is wondering. Read "Extractor trick mafia" for an example. Or "Back to the Basics". Why are you arguing that people should be taking him seriously when he's calling you mafia... | ||
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