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On February 05 2014 11:46 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 11:40 Balla24 wrote:On February 05 2014 11:33 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 05 2014 11:24 Balla24 wrote:
JL why don't you talk about somebody else too. The world doesn't revolve around you and your cases.
I don't think we're going to get anywhere talking between us 3 about Jay. Unless you have some new information. What do you think of Oats? Will you lynch hopeless if he's still lurking at vote time? I'd lynch hopeless if we can't lynch lonemeow or oats. Oats hasn't done anything to change my mind since the two cases on him from me and suki. I did like what he said in response to suki's case, but he ignored what I said (understandable considering we discussed it all before I posted my vote) and did nothing beyond defend himself from suki. I hope we see more from hopeless (pun unintended ROFL). If he continues at THIS rate then I'd lynch him over lonemeow or oats, but if he shows more, then we will see whether that holds true or not. What do YOU think? You're doing the same thing I was annoyed with Oatsmaster and Lonemeow about. I've asked Jay the same question five times without getting an answer. I won't lynch Oats today. I read two of his town games and played scum with him in lolpyp. He seems interested enough in this game and it's not different than his normal town play. He could be scum but don't think he's the best d1 lynch. I've said lynch lurkers since day1. Kill hopeless if he doesn't play. I'm trying to have a conversation and flesh out how you two sit. You're kinda just agreeing with Jay. That's why I asked specific questions.
On Oats:
I read his games too. He plays like this always, town or scum. Didn't you come to this conclusion too?
On February 05 2014 09:07 JonnyLaw wrote:
Anyway, that was fruitless. The filters could be from the same game. Oats put a little more effort into the normal game but it was a much larger and faster game. I'm going to reread the thread. I'm missing something obvious and the game's still short.
That's fine that you didn't want to give your opinion since you asked Jay plenty of times and he still hasn't really elaborated on anything. I guess i'm just a little impatient though ^_^
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On February 05 2014 11:49 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 11:23 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 05 2014 11:17 jaybrundage wrote:On February 05 2014 11:10 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 05 2014 11:05 Balla24 wrote:
I'd lynch LoneMeow. That's fine. I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior? I find this funny. Should I come up with a scum like response? Also you do realize that I was making that case before you posted your "pressure" on me. I'm trying to talk to you Jay. You called Suki scum twice then change your mind once she posts a case on Oats. What do you think about Oats? You claim to like the case but don't say anything else. I want to know why. You've played with Oats before this game. We can chat about Lonemeow after this if you'd like. For now, I'm curious about some of your opinions. Yes I thought suki was scummy before. Her thing about not calling Jonny scum but interesting or what ever word she used did bother me. She just seemed to have no point to your posts. However with her case on Oats it showed that she wasn't just trying to appear to be posting. She actually was analyzing the game and looking for scum. So my read turned on her. Is it possible she's scum that noticed she was getting heat and decided to post a case? Sure possible. But I think the most likely possibility at this point is town. I don't remember Oats too well in my previous games. He was never someone I really suspected. He can be hard to draw a bead on sometimes. Not a huge poster mostly short clip comments. I even had to go back and look briefly at the LoL PYP game. I think the case made good points I hadn't noticed before. Oats was not on my lynch list before Suki posted her case. And she made a good enough case for me to consider lynching him. Also I felt the reason to make my own case because I want to contribute to the town. I didn't plan to just sheep Suki's read and just say yea I like all this Ill join. Because I wanted to post my own analysis I got's me an ego you know. Also by posting other scummy people we can choose as a town who we want to go for based on the information we have.
I'm of the opinion that Oats refuted suki's case pretty good. You disagree? There are other points brought up against Oats that I don't think he answered adequately, but suki's main points in her case I wouldn't say is the reason I would lynch him.
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On February 05 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Suki's case was bad though, it all hinged on the point that I thought objecting to koshi's policy was scummy. Which I never said. All I said was that it was what I thought koshi was doing if he was town.
Hopeless, why are you playing scummily different from the past 2-3 games?
Can you please post what you are referring to. Quote some stuff from his entrances in this game and the other games. Compare and contrast for us please. It's annoying that you think we will go find it (not saying I won't but I can't say the same for everybody else). I already asked you to do it.
If it's good information then bring it forward, or are you just BSing?
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On February 05 2014 11:59 JonnyLaw wrote:
Balla I came to the exact same conclusion. He's hard to read. This is interesting though.
So like why are you justifying not wanting to lynch him because of that "conclusion" though?
On February 05 2014 11:59 JonnyLaw wrote:Balla I came to the exact same conclusion. He's hard to read. This is interesting though. Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote:On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far. Can you explain a bit more? 1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it? Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy.
2. yeah suki and some other dudes.
3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
Isn't this a direct contradiction to what Oats thinks of Koshi?
No because he is answering my question that is assuming Koshi is town creating a "bait". He said this in response to suki's post here:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 05 2014 09:04 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 02:24 suki wrote:So right now Oats is super scummy to me. His "case" against Koshi is bad, and yet he continues to push it. He's also not consistent with his views: On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy.
Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone.
Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup. On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote:On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far. Can you explain a bit more? 1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it? On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy.
2. yeah suki and some other dudes.
3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
This is almost a scum claim right here. Oats is doing the exact thing that he says scum would do, and yet he's calling other people out for it. Who is Oats willing to lynch today? This whole point makes no sense to me, I said thats what I thought koshi mightve done if he was town, at that time I thought he was scum so thats like a non-point.On February 05 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah Im not telling you my conclusions because I want to hear what you think without my conclusions coloring your analysis.
I really null on cake, what he posts when he comes back is really important and will probably decided my read. Hopeless is a useless piece of shit that we should lynch.
(... On a side note, I don't approve of the personal attack calling Hopeless a 'useless piece of shit'.) Anyways. He suddenly thinks Hopeless is super scummy, without any reasoning. This is after LoneMeow has stated suspicions on Hopeless so it feels like a bandwagon. Hopeless was one of the people who didn't shit on Koshi's policy, and said that the policy makes him feel motivated. So this big scum tell that Oats has been pushing the entire game doesn't apply to his choice of lynches? He reads cake as null and yet it's cake and hopeless who he wants to discuss. Why not me, who you said was scummy for 'jumping on Koshi's policy' or those 'other dudes' that you so specifically called out? Why is LoneMeow town even though he was the most vocal about probably not meeting Koshi's 40 post policy? [green]Again, this presupposes I think Koshi is town. Regardless, hopeless was kidding and he can be useful as town but he hasnt done anything this game. I wanted to discuss people not being discussed. Hm. Also this exchange just leaves a bad taste in my mouth: On February 04 2014 12:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hi guys, [jay] probably town On February 04 2014 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 04 2014 12:17 suki wrote:On February 04 2014 12:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 04 2014 12:13 suki wrote:
And what reasons do you have for saying Jay is town? he's trying to advance the game to find scum duhhhh. Sorry I must be a bit slow. Can you provide a few examples where you feel that he is advancing the game to find scum? asking all those questions Also, why does Oats avoid Balla's question here? He's not being transparent, and if he thinks Balla is town then why throw the question back at him? I answered the question in the next post, I was making a joke.On February 05 2014 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 05 2014 01:53 Balla24 wrote:
Before I answer that can you answer me this:
Am I leaning town or scum? Same for LM. I thought you disapproved of the asking questions before giving your own answers? In summary, Oats is calling people scummy for something that he himself is actively doing. His reads on people seem random, rather than thought out. There's no logical progression on why he thinks Hopeless is super scummy and worth lynching (it feels like bandwagoning to try to push an easy lurker lynch). There's no explanation on why LoneMeow is town to him despite the dissonance with his 'Koshi policy' case. When asked to explain himself he's extremely reluctant. He tries to deflect attention from himself. This all reads as scum to me. So suki thinks that hopeless is town, interesting. Anyway this whole cases relies on the fact that I think Koshi's trap is good, which it isnt. So yeahhhhh not such a good case.##vote Oatsmaster
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On February 05 2014 12:08 JonnyLaw wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 12:07 Balla24 wrote:On February 05 2014 11:59 JonnyLaw wrote:
Balla I came to the exact same conclusion. He's hard to read. This is interesting though.
So like why are you justifying not wanting to lynch him because of that "conclusion" though? On February 05 2014 11:59 JonnyLaw wrote:Balla I came to the exact same conclusion. He's hard to read. This is interesting though. On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote:On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far. Can you explain a bit more? 1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it? On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy.
2. yeah suki and some other dudes.
3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
Isn't this a direct contradiction to what Oats thinks of Koshi? No because he is answering my question that is assuming Koshi is town creating a "bait". He said this in response to suki's post here: + Show Spoiler +On February 05 2014 09:04 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 02:24 suki wrote:So right now Oats is super scummy to me. His "case" against Koshi is bad, and yet he continues to push it. He's also not consistent with his views: On February 04 2014 15:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
suki nullish, dunno why she is attacking you though, bad reasons but not inherently scummy.
Cakeman also null. Same with johnny. i mean, nobody is really pushing shit and its hard to figure out if they are posting for the sake of it or posting to find scum. Literally throughout the whole 7-8 pages there is no concerted effort to push someone by anyone.
Koshi scum for suggesting a really bad policy about post counts and nothing else. It feels like bait for scum to jump on but there is no followup. On February 05 2014 00:49 Balla24 wrote:On February 04 2014 15:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its so bad, so if its town koshi, I assume he doesnt mean it seriously and has some reason for posting it. But no signs of that so far. Can you explain a bit more? 1. How does Koshi posting something "bad" make it bait for scum to jump on? Basically: what will scum do with it? 2. Did anybody jump on it? 3. Was this your first thought when you read it? On February 05 2014 00:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
1. Scum will go and shit on Koshi for it because its bad and scummy.
2. yeah suki and some other dudes.
3. My first thought was why is koshi proposing such a useless policy.
mannnn Koshi's shitposting is AFTER his first post.
This is almost a scum claim right here. Oats is doing the exact thing that he says scum would do, and yet he's calling other people out for it. Who is Oats willing to lynch today? This whole point makes no sense to me, I said thats what I thought koshi mightve done if he was town, at that time I thought he was scum so thats like a non-point.On February 05 2014 01:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah Im not telling you my conclusions because I want to hear what you think without my conclusions coloring your analysis.
I really null on cake, what he posts when he comes back is really important and will probably decided my read. Hopeless is a useless piece of shit that we should lynch.
(... On a side note, I don't approve of the personal attack calling Hopeless a 'useless piece of shit'.) Anyways. He suddenly thinks Hopeless is super scummy, without any reasoning. This is after LoneMeow has stated suspicions on Hopeless so it feels like a bandwagon. Hopeless was one of the people who didn't shit on Koshi's policy, and said that the policy makes him feel motivated. So this big scum tell that Oats has been pushing the entire game doesn't apply to his choice of lynches? He reads cake as null and yet it's cake and hopeless who he wants to discuss. Why not me, who you said was scummy for 'jumping on Koshi's policy' or those 'other dudes' that you so specifically called out? Why is LoneMeow town even though he was the most vocal about probably not meeting Koshi's 40 post policy? [green]Again, this presupposes I think Koshi is town. Regardless, hopeless was kidding and he can be useful as town but he hasnt done anything this game. I wanted to discuss people not being discussed. Hm. Also this exchange just leaves a bad taste in my mouth: On February 04 2014 12:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hi guys, [jay] probably town On February 04 2014 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 04 2014 12:17 suki wrote:On February 04 2014 12:15 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 04 2014 12:13 suki wrote:
And what reasons do you have for saying Jay is town? he's trying to advance the game to find scum duhhhh. Sorry I must be a bit slow. Can you provide a few examples where you feel that he is advancing the game to find scum? asking all those questions Also, why does Oats avoid Balla's question here? He's not being transparent, and if he thinks Balla is town then why throw the question back at him? I answered the question in the next post, I was making a joke.On February 05 2014 01:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 05 2014 01:53 Balla24 wrote:
Before I answer that can you answer me this:
Am I leaning town or scum? Same for LM. I thought you disapproved of the asking questions before giving your own answers? In summary, Oats is calling people scummy for something that he himself is actively doing. His reads on people seem random, rather than thought out. There's no logical progression on why he thinks Hopeless is super scummy and worth lynching (it feels like bandwagoning to try to push an easy lurker lynch). There's no explanation on why LoneMeow is town to him despite the dissonance with his 'Koshi policy' case. When asked to explain himself he's extremely reluctant. He tries to deflect attention from himself. This all reads as scum to me. So suki thinks that hopeless is town, interesting. Anyway this whole cases relies on the fact that I think Koshi's trap is good, which it isnt. So yeahhhhh not such a good case.##vote Oatsmaster No, that conclusion is the only reason I'd lynch him. Generally this game I've agreed with Oats though. I think there are better d1 candidates.
I must be misreading or something? You said the exact opposite here:
On February 05 2014 11:46 JonnyLaw wrote:
I won't lynch Oats today. I read two of his town games and played scum with him in lolpyp. He seems interested enough in this game and it's not different than his normal town play. He could be scum but don't think he's the best d1 lynch.
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On February 05 2014 12:12 JonnyLaw wrote:
Exactly what I said. I don't want to lynch him today.
That post I quoted is the only reason I'd want to lynch him in general at this point. Never said today. It's there for future reference and conversation.
So you don't agree with my conclusion and his defense vs suki that I posted that is relevant to that quote? Why?
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On February 05 2014 12:22 JonnyLaw wrote:
The rest of it seems like normal Oats posts.
Oats is doing whatever he wants. Oats seems more comfortable. Jay feels like he's buying town cred. Jay's leading the town over a cliff.
I'm gonna go reread some filters.
So you completely disagree with his LoneMeow case then?
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On February 05 2014 12:03 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 11:58 Balla24 wrote:On February 05 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Suki's case was bad though, it all hinged on the point that I thought objecting to koshi's policy was scummy. Which I never said. All I said was that it was what I thought koshi was doing if he was town.
Hopeless, why are you playing scummily different from the past 2-3 games? Can you please post what you are referring to. Quote some stuff from his entrances in this game and the other games. Compare and contrast for us please. It's annoying that you think we will go find it (not saying I won't but I can't say the same for everybody else). I already asked you to do it. If it's good information then bring it forward, or are you just BSing? Im on my phone. What annoys me is that you apparently dont care about hopeless's alignment. You could check on hopeless' games and then make a decision and see what I say. But no, you want to be spoonfed anything. Do you think hopeless is particularly town? If not, why are you indirectly defending him?
Even if you're on your phone you can post what you see without posting quotes.
I want to see what you see dude, what's so hard to understand about that? I don't want to have to guess what you see. If you say something is scummy then you must provide what you think is scummy instead of forcing us to guess.
What's the point of hiding it?
Is it straight up the fact that he is lurking as an entry in comparison to high volume post entry? Is it the fact that he actually posts some substance in the others (reads in SMB, mayor candidacy in LXIV.1)? Is it the fact that he is more trolly? What is it?
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On February 05 2014 13:07 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 13:03 Balla24 wrote:On February 05 2014 12:03 Oatsmaster wrote:On February 05 2014 11:58 Balla24 wrote:On February 05 2014 11:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Suki's case was bad though, it all hinged on the point that I thought objecting to koshi's policy was scummy. Which I never said. All I said was that it was what I thought koshi was doing if he was town.
Hopeless, why are you playing scummily different from the past 2-3 games? Can you please post what you are referring to. Quote some stuff from his entrances in this game and the other games. Compare and contrast for us please. It's annoying that you think we will go find it (not saying I won't but I can't say the same for everybody else). I already asked you to do it. If it's good information then bring it forward, or are you just BSing? Im on my phone. What annoys me is that you apparently dont care about hopeless's alignment. You could check on hopeless' games and then make a decision and see what I say. But no, you want to be spoonfed anything. Do you think hopeless is particularly town? If not, why are you indirectly defending him? Even if you're on your phone you can post what you see without posting quotes. I want to see what you see dude, what's so hard to understand about that? I don't want to have to guess what you see. If you say something is scummy then you must provide what you think is scummy instead of forcing us to guess. What's the point of hiding it? Is it straight up the fact that he is lurking as an entry in comparison to high volume post entry? Is it the fact that he actually posts some substance in the others (reads in SMB, mayor candidacy in LXIV.1)? Is it the fact that he is more trolly? What is it? Whats your read on hopeless?
See here:
On February 05 2014 11:40 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 11:33 JonnyLaw wrote:On February 05 2014 11:24 Balla24 wrote:
JL why don't you talk about somebody else too. The world doesn't revolve around you and your cases.
I don't think we're going to get anywhere talking between us 3 about Jay. Unless you have some new information. What do you think of Oats? Will you lynch hopeless if he's still lurking at vote time? I'd lynch hopeless if we can't lynch lonemeow or oats. Oats hasn't done anything to change my mind since the two cases on him from me and suki. I did like what he said in response to suki's case, but he ignored what I said (understandable considering we discussed it all before I posted my vote) and did nothing beyond defend himself from suki. I hope we see more from hopeless (pun unintended ROFL). If he continues at THIS rate then I'd lynch him over lonemeow or oats, but if he shows more, then we will see whether that holds true or not. What do YOU think? You're doing the same thing I was annoyed with Oatsmaster and Lonemeow about.
His entry meta doesn't make him scum to me. It's significantly different, but from the past 3 games he's played all his entries have each been significantly different from each other don't you agree?
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On February 05 2014 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote:
yeah so no, LXIV and SMB he entered mostly the same way, really lighthearted and jokey posts. Here, he is super serious from the get go with a snarky sarcastic comment at koshi's policy. And he started questioning people and shit, here it looks like he is trying to avoid attention. Its SOOO DIFFERENT.
Thank you! Finally.
It is different. I said that. I don't agree that he isn't light-hearted with the sarcastic comment to koshi though, I think that's pretty lighthearted. From what I can, the main difference is his activity. I agree with that. Maybe trying to avoid attention, maybe not. I see him dissapear and lurk a bit from LXIV, and from both of his scum games, but not in SMB.
Have you looked at any scum games?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066&user=hopeless1der
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378069&user=Hopeless1der
These were a long time ago, but still. I'd definitely agree that from meta he looks scummy. In those 2 games he briefly talks about policy like here, then nitpicks someone then dissapears. Here he doesn't really nitpick but dissapears.
There's definitely some resemblance...
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Not really lol ^_^
Self-meta analysis is useless, he's right. I'd prefer he elaborated on his reads.
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Here's where I stand right now:
There are no super obvious townies right now. There are a LOT of question marks. I was feeling obvious town for jay, but he didn't really get there from what I was expecting.
The scum are probably: Hopeless1der, Lonemeow
Hopeless is just lurking. He clearly isn't motivated by the early policy talk like he said he was. He isn't scumhunting. He isn't doing anything. This post stands out to me as similar to his scum games:
On February 04 2014 09:11 Hopeless1der wrote:
Jay, let me slippery slope this argument.
Suppose I invoke a policy that "I will vote the player with the smallest filter at 30 minutes to deadline".
How do you avoid drawing my vote? By spamming as much as possible.
How do you conclude that I'm "almost advocating to let people lurk"? I literally ask that question as a rhetorical because its implied that lurking is bad. Is this real life right now?
+ Show Spoiler [Scumgames] +From acme:On November 01 2012 07:46 Hopeless1der wrote:In case people feel the need to argue with prplhz on miller claims: Show nested quote +On October 26 2012 02:31 wherebugsgo wrote:Notes If two roleblockers target each other, they are both informed. Masons who are roleblocked will not be prevented from communicating with their partner(s). Masons are confirmed town to each other. One person on the mafia team may carry out the kill each night. The mafia can choose not to kill. The mafia can kill each other. If the mafia member chosen to kill on a particular night is roleblocked, no kill will occur. Millers are self-aware.There are no hit notifications in this game. All roleblocks will result in the target being notified. If a serial killer is present he/she will be able to choose between investigation immunity and one shot bulletproof when the roles go out and before day 1 starts. If no choice is sent in then I will flip a coin and choose for the player. If there are any questions about the setup, they may either be PMed to me or posted in the thread in bold green textThere will be post-game analysis and potentially other types of recognition from me. Stick around after the game is over if you want to do the post-game discussionings. 100% the right course of action. If you're OP does not contain a miller claim in it, I'll policy lynch you if you claim it later on. (Catching-up to thread post leeway if you claim in your 2nd or 3rd post that's fine) On November 01 2012 08:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
Yeah, being facetious is awesome.
Okay, prplhz I agree with the concept of your idea, but what would you propose we do to get the game actually started. At some point we end up accusing lurkers or calling something/someone stupid if no one pulls a stupid case out of their ass. Or else, it'll be VERY weak reads based on making the littlest out to be scummy. Would that be okay with you? On November 01 2012 09:52 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 09:00 Release wrote:
to everyone:
Are we asking Millers or Masons to claim? prplhz (the origin of the idea) said millers and now kushmasta has asked for masons to claim (although he does avoid saying mason).
I have to say already that kshmasta is looking scummy.
Since i don't see the advantage of a miller claim, i'd like to know why a miller should claim (from both prplhz and hope in particular).
I'd also like to hear from kushmasta why you avoided saying mason. Well, it's going to end up keeping them alive through the nights, at least from NK's. Claiming/fakeclaiming miller is confirming that you will return red if you are investigated, so it saves the DT's a target to check in that sense. Miller's are likely to end up vigged or lynch just before lylo, because we can't take the risk at that point, but it could also compel them to scum-hunt a bit harder if people are always nursing suspicions about a fakeclaim. The biggest thing is that if any mafia want to fakeclaim miller, they have to do it NOW. It cannot be in response to a DT check or if you're about to be lynched (and to be honest, I wouldn't believe an "omg i'm about to be lynched" miller claim anyways). Show nested quote +On November 01 2012 08:35 kushm4sta wrote:
OK maybe mass claim is a bad idea because of blues.. I wasn't thinking that.
How about they name claim anyway though and we can all judge the validity of their name claim without revealing ours.
I guess that could be useful? It's at least something to go by to help solidify a read. However... Do scum get fake/safeclaims?Mason Claims - I think are a bad idea. Mason's get stronger as the game goes on. I'd rather they write last wills of some sort to confirm each other in case on dies/is about to be lynched, and their pm logs are going to be proof enough in most cases. Miller Claims - I think are a good idea. From Newbie XX:On July 05 2012 07:22 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On July 05 2012 07:11 Lazermonkey wrote:On July 05 2012 06:59 Hopeless1der wrote:@Lazer, you're already contradicting yourself and its only one post: On July 05 2012 06:39 Lazermonkey wrote:
YOYO GUYS. I AM Vanilla Townie
There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie. If you don't agree with this please let me know. If noone disagrees I will assume that no townie is ever fake claiming a blue role. Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue.
Geez it was even in the same paragraph. Which one is it?! What do you mean? I don't see a contradiction here... What?...I...Its right there..with the underlined.. - There really isn't a situation you want to fakeclaim as a townie - Obviously there are situations where you might want to claim as blue Is that not a contradiction? or did you mean actually claim as blue, not fakeclaim, because that's literally the only way those two statements don't conflict with one another. Mackin give the poor guy a chance, he's just a little excited I think. I just wanted to give him a heads up so he checks his posts more carefully, that way we can narrow down our scum lists earlier rather than later.
+ Show Spoiler [Town games] +Extractor Trick On January 04 2014 03:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
1a2a3a? On January 04 2014 06:34 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2014 06:32 Alakaslam wrote:
So what now? Hopeless, Coag, you guys have entered. Anything to say? I mean, besides stuff like "I'm town" because the basis of this game is that scum will lie...
Also, AMA. no. still town though. SMB On January 16 2014 09:59 Hopeless1der wrote:
sn0man is like a cloud. or a snowman. white and fluffy. On January 16 2014 10:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
yes kush. thank you for teaching me. so good. you clearly have towns best interest at heart. On January 16 2014 10:10 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 10:08 Cephiro wrote:On January 16 2014 10:01 Toadesstern wrote:
So Ceph, what was your your thought process when you figured it's a good idea to explain that there's no self-aware millers?
There's no BH in this game so it's quiiiiiiiite unlikely that a townie would ever fakeclaim self-aware miller. My thought process was this long: 1. See false information in thread 2. Post right information in thread 3. ??? 4. Answer your question about my thought process. There pretty much wasn't one. I also fail to see how it's relevant whether I said that or not. I can't see someone being stupid enough to claim miller at this point in the game. considering he had the option to leave it alone and tell his scumbuddies they can't fakeclaim this explanation makes the most sense. On January 16 2014 12:14 Hopeless1der wrote:
1) vote your target
2) actually call them scum
3) explain why they are scum
sn0 get you head out your ass before its removed permanently. LXIV On January 11 2014 09:05 Hopeless1der wrote:
Bow before hopeless1der, leader of towns, gatherer of reads, destroyer of scum. Feed me your prowess in the game of mafia. Show me your skill. Reveal your alignment to me that I might save you from the putrid grip of scum.
Vote me as your mayor and all shall be revealed. On January 11 2014 09:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
P.S. I'm moderately afk / phoneposting. Still make nr mayor kthx.
@BH that's cool and all, but we got rayn, BC., VE, Marv, yamato, and me who are all going to try to get mayor. maybe a couple more people too. Lynching kush isn't going to cut it. I'd like to appeal to any vig's to not go hero mode and just do what's best for town by clearing out lurkers for us. If you want someone killed for being scummy there's a lynch for that. On January 11 2014 09:41 Hopeless1der wrote:
BH I can totally read kush. Also you hosted extractor trick. Wtf?
Thrawn I thought we were cool bro what gives?why you gotta lynch me?
In his scum games he seems content to discuss policy, whereas in his town games he seems to be uninterested in it and want to move past it. I can definitely see how Oats would say he is more lighthearted compared to this game.
He says his entrances to the last games were different because he wasn't here at daypost but he was here not long after daypost so I don't see how this makes a difference. He basically says self-meta analysis is stupid, but then does it anyways, and calls himself scum with it by saying he lurks a lot as scum which is exactly what he's doing .
LoneMeow doesn't seem interested in this game in the slightest. He's very self-absorbed and doesn't seem interested in finding out people's alignments. He's just sitting back, asking seemingly useless questions. He seems like he wants to call me scum, but never does, and never calls anyone else scum. He justified his lurking by saying he lurks a lot as either alignment. Here's where he asks a question to Koshi, expecting an answer one way and not getting it:
On February 04 2014 20:17 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 20:08 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2014 19:56 LoneMeow wrote:
What do you make of Balla24's vote/unvote on me? His reasoning made sense and playing so serious from the start is townie. Even though he unvoted without any new input from me and without providing pretty much any reason at all?
There's other empty questions like this:
On February 04 2014 19:44 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 19:38 Koshi wrote:On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
Meh, okay so she dislikes everything I say. I think they mean the same thing. I guess it could be taken as she thinks im misguided sometimes rather than simply scummy.
Her question seemed legit enough but balla's right. At the start of day 1 I want to see what someone is willing or able to bring to the game. There's no point saying much until they show what they're committing.
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game. How am I scum for things that other people do? JL says this: LM is null. Koshi is scum because LM acted like he participated in the game and then fucked off. There are other people like LM who are faking to participate in the game. Does this make JonnyLaw scum or just town using broken logic?
Where he never elaborates on what he thinks. None of the stuff in his filter is really scum hunting, it's just generic easy questions that don't have pretty simple, easily explainable answers. He's basically only interested in other people's reads, I have no idea what his reads are besides the implication that he thinks i'm scum.
These people could die, i'd be fine with that: Koshi, Oats, Cakeman
Koshi's play so far is pretty un-inspired. Either he is misreading a lot of the thread or purposefully misrepresenting what people are saying. The latter indicates scum and the former null, but the former seems to be what he is showing for two reason: (1) He admitted that his case on Jonny wasn't good which shows that he is self-concious about what he is posting and (2) The whole argument where he realized my vote on LoneMeow was for a different post than he originally thought shows that he wasn't reading carefully in the first place. What oatsmaster and jonny brought up about him though is quite true, why did you suggest the policy thing in the first place if you aren't going to follow up on it or conclude anything from the discussion around it? Interested to hear more from him.
Oatsmaster was scummy, but he did bring new information to the thread on Hopeless and seemed interested in taking part of the jonny vs jaybrundage argument and bring new information there when necessary. Also, like Jonny and I said. It's totally within his bounds to play like this as both alignments by looking at his meta, so he's pretty null now. He'd be my 3rd lynch priority.
Cakeman is lurking. He seems to post very little when he is not addressed directly. Suki also pointed out earlier how he claimed "koshi's policy" was the most relevant thing in the thread without giving his opinion on it. I thought that was normal at first, but later on he comes out and says he wants Koshi to drop his lurker thing? Why is he worried about that? Koshi wasn't even pushing it at all really and even dropped it completely at that point. I'd like some clarification there. I also don't like how he addresses half a case seemingly without even reading the other half of it and not doing so until prodded for more information.
Jonnylaw is town so far. So is Suki and Jaybrundage
Jonnylaw is standard jonnylaw. Aggressive. Abrasive. Bringing new information to the thread. Attacking fringe targets that nobody else is looking at. Thinking the thread revolves around him when he is there. Declaring me as the most readable of all the players in the game. Stubborn. All of this is classic jonnylaw. Even though I don't like his case on JB at all and how he continues to vote on it. It all fits with what I know of his town game. I don't know enough about his scumgame so he could be totally playing me.
Suki and jaybrundage are constantly thinking the same thing as me. Suki is trying to bring new information to the thread whenever she can and also committing to things she says. Jaybrundage is actively trying to get people not to lurk so that they are readable. It seems like he will be a great asset moving forward, and if he's not then I will be surprised. Both are pushing pro-town stuff. Jaybrundage needs to get more active on the bringing information to the thread and less active on the advice front if he wants to earn the "towniest town that ever towned" title that he deemed himself worthy of.
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For cakeman. Its in here somewhere, almost word for word. Im on my tablet in bed now. I'll be monitoring the thread a bit longer then I'm out.
On February 05 2014 03:40 cakemanofdoom wrote:I don't have that much of a problem with oats right now. I get his case on Koshi, I also thought fairly early on that Koshi posted a random policy to generate discussion, and that the policy was easy to disagree with because that's how you get discussion past unanimous agreement. Koshi did post some analysis on people's reactions though, not sure why oats kept going on him for not making use of the discussion he generated. + Show Spoiler +On February 04 2014 23:37 Koshi wrote:
That's not how it works, it's not because what people say is not interesting at that moment that if won't be interesting at all anymore.
1) LM said he was not going to vote for something just based on filter size but on filter content. This shows future commitment to the game. This is a town answer. But in 24 hours we can also use this to pressure him to give reads, or at least his town answer looks bad when he doesn't follow up. But I trust he will.
2) Balla same story. Instantly said yay let's do this and was worried about other people low content spam and not himself. Good + follow up ensured.
3) Jonny was angry and is still angry. There is no reason for that at all and I put him scummy. I also read his post better and found previously quoted post that does not make sense at all.
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4) Hopeless said something and then fucked off. This is scummy and it is not my fault that he did this. If we lynch somebody we lynch Hopeless.
5) Suki her post was actually a wtf moment. The underlined part of previous sentence was my confusion.
I think the rest of the people made similar comments but that's what my post generated. But nothing on it's own was scummy.
Also I wasn't in let's solve this game right now mode yesterday right before bed. Then again, Koshi also declared that he was pretty much gonna do nothing for a while and let us talk, which kinda annoys me. I'd like him talking with us. So basically, I don't mind oats's aggression towards Koshi. I personally just want Koshi to stop that lurking thing. Oats having a townread on LM doesn't make sense to me, but the fact that he's been here and giving opinions (with justifications sometimes) makes him look a bit better than people who are just gone. Like sidesprang. Or hopeless. Where are they? Oh yeah, to anyone wondering about my post on LM, that was in response to suki asking me what I thought about him. And LM's posts since then make him look rather worse among lurky people,
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On February 06 2014 01:01 LoneMeow wrote:KoshiThe case he made on JonnyLaw was quite bad. I find it hard to believe he'd pay so little attention to miss things like: Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote:Then there is Jonny and his talk about LM: On February 04 2014 07:54 JonnyLaw wrote:
And what the fuck is that vote? Lonemeow's said the most sensible thing since this game started. On February 04 2014 10:20 JonnyLaw wrote:
I agreed with his second post and dismissed the other one. That first one is an excuse for lurking. I dunno if that's scummy or not. Let's see how LM proceeds from here. Maybe I have a soft spot from him hosting one of our newbie games. On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote:
LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him. On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote:
At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game. Just look at the progression: "How do you dare to vote LM, he said the most sensible thing in this thread" "LM his second post was really good, I didn't consider the other ones" "LM can be lynched" "LM posted like shit early game, but it really was Koshi his fault" It literally goes from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit. And there is a post right after Jonny said "I can lynch LM" where Jonny give his scummy list and I am on top of the scummy list and not LM. In none of the quotes does JonnyLaw say "I can lynch LM". Almost like Koshi didn't even really read what he quoted. Verdict: leaning scum
What was the point of this question if you agreed with me:
On February 05 2014 05:31 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 04:56 Balla24 wrote:
I think you are misrepresenting a lot of what jonnylaw said there Koshi and oftentimes ignoring the context of his posts. I'll just leave it at that for now cause i brb t_T Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context.
It literally says "i brb", yet you post a meaningless question when it clearly says I will elaborate. Then your conclusion is, yes he is misrepresenting stuff.
"Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context." is only useful if you disagree and aren't finding anything yourself, yet now you're agreeing.
Does him not reading what he's saying mean he's scum? I already said what I think about it, and I disagree that it makes him scum, more null. Why does him mis-reading mean he's scum?
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Meh... not when you don't even wait an hour for a followup when I am clearly implying I will followup. I didn't even return to the thread yet.
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On February 06 2014 01:46 suki wrote:
@Jay and Oats
I also saw cakeman as 'unconfident townie' in the early part of the game. I noticed that he wasn't really giving strong reads but I decided to give it some time and see how he continued to play.
The fact that so much has happened but he's still going after lurkers and easy lynches is really .. hmm.. disappointing, if he's town. But as scum it's a safe play.
@Balla: You played with cakeman in one of your newbies and he was scum there. What's your impression of him compared to this game?
He was town... I don't really remember that much so looking back on it
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102&user=cakemanofdoom
Looks pretty similar. Less waffling then here but nothing stands out to me as that different.
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On February 06 2014 01:48 jaybrundage wrote:
Does anyone else think that Hopeless being gone for twenty four hours. Coming back and getting on the popular sentiment of oats being scum and the two cases on him. While also OMGUS'ing Oats is a bit suspicious?
It seems like he made was just pushing Oats back cause he needed to come back in the thread with something. After calling Oats scummy. He made up his own case so he wouldn't be blatantly sheeping.
Absolutely. Hopeless being gone for 24hrs is important to me. In his other games he is literally here for hours on end posting oneliner responses, questions, etc. here he was here, posting responses, then he just bailed out.
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Let's get some votes plz gogo everyone... only 5 hours to lynch~
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Well, did I change my vote? His cases weren't amazing. Everything that I wrote last night still stands. I like lynching hopeless or Lonemeow. Wouldn't really be surprised if cake/oats flipped scum still. Oats less and less though.
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