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On February 06 2014 01:15 Oatsmaster wrote: oh its this that made me change my mind, it was mainly a pressure vote to get him to start playing.
Sorry, what? If it was mainly a pressure vote why do you spend the entire first part of the game repeating that Koshi is scum?
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##unvote ##vote cakemanofdoom
Hopeless is making sense.
cake has been wishy washy all game. He bandwagons onto Hopeless, even though he thinks Koshi is mafia. He's ok with voting LoneMeow because LM is lurking.
Like, he's taking the easy path. I read through his filter and I learn absolutely nothing. Like, it seems like he's contributing but when you really look closely he's not really saying anything that progresses towards a lynch. Even his case against Koshi feels non-enthusiastic.
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lol Oats. ok.
Thoughts on cakeman?
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@LoneMeow
Now that Hopeless has posted his case what's your opinion of Hopeless and Oats?
I'd like you to put your vote down somewhere.
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@Jay and Oats
I also saw cakeman as 'unconfident townie' in the early part of the game. I noticed that he wasn't really giving strong reads but I decided to give it some time and see how he continued to play.
The fact that so much has happened but he's still going after lurkers and easy lynches is really .. hmm.. disappointing, if he's town. But as scum it's a safe play.
@Balla: You played with cakeman in one of your newbies and he was scum there. What's your impression of him compared to this game?
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Koshi, what do you think of cakeman?
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I think I'm okay with a cakeman or a LoneMeow lynch at the moment.
LM hasn't done anything. He was leaning scummy on Hopeless, but now says Hopeless looks better. He doesn't seem concerned enough to really push Koshi for being scum either, and those are the only two people that he's labelled as scummy. :\
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LoneMeow, why do you think Hopeless looks better? How sure are you that Hopeless is scum since you still seem to be pressuring him?
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first off modkilling oneself is not in the spirit of the game.
second, you're all seriously pressuring Hopeless solely on the point that he was afk for 24 hours? He can't do anything about that now but he seems to be putting in effort now.
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I think the same can be stated of cake and LoneMeow who both have been really noncommital in their reads and who haven't really been contributing (aka active lurking).
Hopeless does come back into the thread sheeping Oats, and I called it out. However, his case against Oats was well-written. His case against cakeman also mirrored my thoughts on cakeman that I was in the middle of writing a case on.
He wasn't forced to build a case on cakeman
He's not actively lurking right now.
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If the biggest reason why he's scum is that he was missing for 24 hours then I'm afraid I can't justify lynching Hopeless over cake and LoneMeow today.
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On February 06 2014 04:11 Balla24 wrote: Hey suki,
Why have you basically done the same thing that got you in trouble last game (NMM1)? You made a case on oats. He defended himself and posted a case on hopeless, you retracted and also posted a case on hopeless, he defended himself and posted a case on cakeman, and so on and so forth.
Who are some other people you would be ok with seeing die besides cakeman?
Hahaha.. The same thing happened last game. People started defending themselves and posting cases that I thought, 'hey, that sounds reasonable'.
I just lack the confidence to play this game well I guess.
Like, I just read Jonny's defense of cake and it sounds fine to me. Cake hasn't done anything particularly scummy, but his play feels like it could be scum motivated. Before Jonny posted his defense of cake I was going through who I would rather lynch between cake and Lonemeow and I came up with both of them equal. They both are just staying on the fence and don't feel like they're scumhunting.
##unvote ##vote LoneMeow
A point against LoneMeow, I don't see why LoneMeow hasn't voted yet even after being asked multiple times.
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edit: well now he's placed his vote against Koshi.
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I think slam and Balla are firmly town. I think Jonny is also town but that's more a meta read than any close analysis.
I think Jay is town. I think Koshi is town. Both of these I'll be revisiting when I have time.
I like Hopeless' recent play and am willing to give him more time to prove himself.
I think Oats is kind of scummy because of his two bad cases/tunnels against Hopeless and Koshi. However, people keep saying this is how he plays.
cake and lonemeow are the most suspicious to me because they haven't contributed.
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I'll look at LoneMeow's and Jonny's case against Koshi and post my reads in a sec.
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My thoughts on Koshi:
Koshi's case against Jonny wasn't very good, however the way he admitted the case was bad and seemed embarrassed about it read town to me.
I think Koshi's self-analysis was townie.
I feel that he has no reason to say that he reads cake as being blue if he's scum. This is one of the points that made me really doubt my case against cake because I have a history of mistargetting blues :<
His hunting scum activities have been a big case against Jonny, a vote and pressure against Hopeless, a short bit of analysis and a vote against LoneMeow. This is more than cake or LoneMeow's contributions I feel.
My thoughts on LoneMeow's case against Koshi:
On February 06 2014 01:01 LoneMeow wrote:KoshiThe fact that he's been defending me makes me suspicious. There should be no need to softly defend other townies when they're not even under imminent threat of being mislynched. The case he made on JonnyLaw was quite bad. I find it hard to believe he'd pay so little attention to miss things like: Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote:Then there is Jonny and his talk about LM: On February 04 2014 07:54 JonnyLaw wrote: And what the fuck is that vote? Lonemeow's said the most sensible thing since this game started. On February 04 2014 10:20 JonnyLaw wrote: I agreed with his second post and dismissed the other one. That first one is an excuse for lurking. I dunno if that's scummy or not. Let's see how LM proceeds from here. Maybe I have a soft spot from him hosting one of our newbie games. On February 04 2014 11:14 JonnyLaw wrote: LM hasn't given us quality or quantity yet. He says one thing then does another. It's early in the game for me to demand more quality of his posting. At least as far as considering lynching him. On February 04 2014 11:48 JonnyLaw wrote: At this point LM's first post was shit but says nothing about his alignment until other actions take place in the game.
Koshi on the other hand created two pages of shit posting. This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game. Just look at the progression: "How do you dare to vote LM, he said the most sensible thing in this thread" "LM his second post was really good, I didn't consider the other ones" "LM can be lynched" "LM posted like shit early game, but it really was Koshi his fault" It literally goes from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit. And there is a post right after Jonny said "I can lynch LM" where Jonny give his scummy list and I am on top of the scummy list and not LM. In none of the quotes does JonnyLaw say "I can lynch LM". Almost like Koshi didn't even really read what he quoted. Verdict: leaning scum
LoneMeow leaning scum on Koshi because he can't read.
On February 06 2014 01:43 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 01:35 Balla24 wrote: Does him not reading what he's saying mean he's scum? I already said what I think about it, and I disagree that it makes him scum, more null. Why does him mis-reading mean he's scum?
In my mind town-Koshi would be far less likely to be lazy when making a case and would re-read what he's quoting. You're right though, it's not strongly alignment indicative at all.
Leaning scum because he can't read but it's not strongly alignment-indicative.
On February 06 2014 03:30 LoneMeow wrote: Can we lynch Koshi? The way he's not participating in the discussion about cakemanofdoom is scummy as hell.
On February 06 2014 04:17 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 02:30 Koshi wrote: LM his cases were on the 3 people that were most likely going to get lynched at that time and Alakaslam. Which is not even worth calling a case.
His response to the case from jayB was: Why not Hopeless who is equally scummy? That doesn't make sense at all. You were calling me town for a long time earlier; that's all you have to say about changing your mind so drastically? How does the earlier part of my filter that gave you town vibe look when you try to look at it from this perspective? Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 01:53 Koshi wrote:On February 06 2014 01:50 suki wrote: Koshi, what do you think of cakeman? tbh, I thought he was a blue when reading him earlier. This is all you have to say about one of the top lynch candidates for today? Really? ##Vote: Koshi
I don't see Koshi as having seen LoneMeow as town for the early game. He spent a lot of time explaining that LoneMeow has a low post count and was waiting on contribution.
Not spending a lot of time on someone you think is town isn't a scum tell.
Honestly your reasons for thinking Koshi is scum are weak, LoneMeow.
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On February 06 2014 04:48 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 04:42 suki wrote: I think slam and Balla are firmly town. I think Jonny is also town but that's more a meta read than any close analysis.
I'd agree with Balla24 and JonnyLaw being town, both are actively trying to find and lynch scum, but why Alakaslam?
Call it a gut read? He's been contributing his reads and pushing people when he's here.
That episode where he was typing on his phone and his words were totally getting jumbled and messed up also feels more like what a town would do. After that he was upfront with explaining any questions people had. It's just really hard to imagine why scum would do this.
So slam is town for me.
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Unfortunately I've spent like the entire morning and early afternoon thinking and posting about Mafia and I have things to do >_<;
I'll be back before the deadline for maybe some last minute reads.
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On February 06 2014 05:58 LoneMeow wrote: Why did you have to make me want to lynch jaybrundage. If I accept him being scum I must be wrong about both you and Koshi being scum...
LoneMeow can you explain why Hopeless and Koshi can't be scum if jay is scum.
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