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Balla24
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On February 05 2014 03:40 cakemanofdoom wrote: I don't have that much of a problem with oats right now. I get his case on Koshi, I also thought fairly early on that Koshi posted a random policy to generate discussion, and that the policy was easy to disagree with because that's how you get discussion past unanimous agreement. Koshi did post some analysis on people's reactions though, not sure why oats kept going on him for not making use of the discussion he generated. + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2014 23:37 Koshi wrote: That's not how it works, it's not because what people say is not interesting at that moment that if won't be interesting at all anymore. 1) LM said he was not going to vote for something just based on filter size but on filter content. This shows future commitment to the game. This is a town answer. But in 24 hours we can also use this to pressure him to give reads, or at least his town answer looks bad when he doesn't follow up. But I trust he will. 2) Balla same story. Instantly said yay let's do this and was worried about other people low content spam and not himself. Good + follow up ensured. 3) Jonny was angry and is still angry. There is no reason for that at all and I put him scummy. I also read his post better and found previously quoted post that does not make sense at all. ↨ 4) Hopeless said something and then fucked off. This is scummy and it is not my fault that he did this. If we lynch somebody we lynch Hopeless. 5) Suki her post was actually a wtf moment. The underlined part of previous sentence was my confusion. I think the rest of the people made similar comments but that's what my post generated. But nothing on it's own was scummy. Also I wasn't in let's solve this game right now mode yesterday right before bed. Then again, Koshi also declared that he was pretty much gonna do nothing for a while and let us talk, which kinda annoys me. I'd like him talking with us. So basically, I don't mind oats's aggression towards Koshi. I personally just want Koshi to stop that lurking thing. Oats having a townread on LM doesn't make sense to me, but the fact that he's been here and giving opinions (with justifications sometimes) makes him look a bit better than people who are just gone. Like sidesprang. Or hopeless. Where are they? Oh yeah, to anyone wondering about my post on LM, that was in response to suki asking me what I thought about him. And LM's posts since then make him look rather worse among lurky people, What's with this blatant contradiction, which is it? | ||
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1. On February 05 2014 02:36 Balla24 wrote: Oatsmaster might be scum. I was asking him about this because it's a super weird thing to think about as town. I didn't think that, if others did let me know. 2. On February 05 2014 02:36 Balla24 wrote: The JB town read as your first post was pretty random. Random town reads is generally scummy as they are easier to give than scum reads. Sure he semi-explained it, but "pushing the thread forward" isn't exactly the best reason to townread someone and try to stifle discussion with that. 3. On February 05 2014 02:36 Balla24 wrote: Then this cakeman/hopeless question business. It was revealed that Oats thought/thinks LM and I are town. It was also revealed that he didn't really see anything in either of the two that was interesting. Super empty fake participation question in that case. ##vote Oatsmaster | ||
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On February 05 2014 05:31 LoneMeow wrote: Please point out where Koshi is misrepresenting and/or ignoring context. + Show Spoiler + On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote: The problem I have with Oats right now is that his vote is still on me even though he just had 8 hours the chance to talk to me and in that time he went from calling my first post utter crap to everything is utter crap except my first post... I prefer to lynch Jonny atm. Nothing he says connects to each other. He starts saying he wants to lynch all lurkers multiple times and that my "Policy" was a good conversation starter. Somewhere Jonny must have read that I was actually serious about going to actually count the number of posts and then lynch somebody for it while I said that I wasn't going to do that. So normally Jonny shouldn't be going on about it then? I don't see anywhere that Jonny said Koshi's policy was a good conversation starter. He says it was "okay", but overall you can tell from the tone of his posts that he would have rather been talking about something else. Which is the opposite of what Koshi says "good conversation starter" IMO. Nor do I get the impression that Koshi gets from the second post. It just seems like Jonny wanted to make the point that the 40 posts limit was arbitrary and wants to move on. This indicates that he knows you're not seriously going to do that. On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote: Why is Jonny being frustrated with me about the fact that all the content is being shit content? I type in the start of the game "guys let's be nice and post a lot" and the guy replies with 'Fuck being nice because people are lazy and lynch all lurkers" but then keeps going on and on about "there is no content" . THERE IS ALWAYS CONTENT. Sure I see Jonny blaming Koshi for other people's posts weird. But the bolded/underlined isn't what he said at all. "Fuck being nice" and "people are lazy" and "lynch lurkers" all are separate thoughts. Then in this: + Show Spoiler + On February 05 2014 04:40 Koshi wrote: Then there is Jonny and his talk about LM: Just look at the progression: "How do you dare to vote LM, he said the most sensible thing in this thread" "LM his second post was really good, I didn't consider the other ones" "LM can be lynched" "LM posted like shit early game, but it really was Koshi his fault" It literally goes from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit. And there is a post right after Jonny said "I can lynch LM" where Jonny give his scummy list and I am on top of the scummy list and not LM. This is the post that Jonny found protown at first but then said it was scummy btw: + Show Spoiler + On February 04 2014 07:40 LoneMeow wrote: Well, for starters I don't quite agree with your "minimum post count" thing. I'll support a lurker lynch if it's necessary, but based on amount of content, not number of posts. Which on itself is indeed a pro-town post. The problem just lied that LM right after this post said that he was going to do hardcore lurking and the posts didn't add up... Which Jonny still doesn't understand. And somebody needs to figure out what Jonny means with the "first post" and the "second post" etc, because I am pretty sure it doesn't add up as well. You miss the post where I explain why I didn't like LM's first post and that caused Jonny to relook at it, which you can see here: On February 04 2014 09:41 JonnyLaw wrote: I actually like your reasoning looking at it again. He comes in and justifies lurking. Huh? I still agree with his second post. And he exaggerates things Jonny says. "from this guy posted incredible pro town towards everything this guy posted was shit". I mean come on. Then "This is the post that Jonny found protown at first but then said it was scummy btw": he never said it was scummy???? He said it was sensible, then that he still agrees with it. When does he say it's scummy? Also how can you not tell what he means with first post, second post etc... it was pretty obvious since at that point in time, lonemeow had 3 posts only and that's what we were discussing. Then the waffling thing that you guys already pointed out. There's a lot in here that is exaggerated or misconstrued, in my opinion. So I think the case is no good. The only point that stands is that Jonny is calling Koshi out for "This allowed LM and other LM like people to pop in, say nothing and fuck off out of here acting as though they participated in the game." which is weird, but I would like clarification on why Koshi caused that from Jonny. | ||
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On February 05 2014 07:13 Koshi wrote: About which post was this and can you clarify this for me. In response to this: On February 04 2014 09:31 JonnyLaw wrote: Oh you're back. Why did you vote lm so quickly? 2 posts up. Do you still need clarification now that you know the context? If so, what's confusing about it? | ||
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I find this really hard to believe that you 1. had no idea what I was voting about. 2. thought my vote was good, without knowing what i was voting about 3. forgot that you basically said the same thing I did when he posted that, but I voted for it On February 04 2014 07:38 Koshi wrote: Also. Mr. Stray Kitten. Just say what you think whenever you think it. Why do you think I'm going ham? I've barely discussed it. I voted for it, provided my reasoning, unvoted when discussion died down and haven't talked about it since. Seriously? | ||
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On February 05 2014 07:55 Koshi wrote: My thoughts about Oats are that he is being dumb because I am town and he should know that by now, if he doesn't he is scum. He can defend against your cases when he is back. My read on him solely rests on him saying sensible things between the contradictions. He isn't doing that. If Oats is town, why the hell would he know you are town by now? If Oats is scum, he would obviously know you are town if you are town... This doesn't really make sense. What's the missing information here (history I guess?)? | ||
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But yes, so far town/scum look the same for him from what i've seen. BRB cooking dinner. | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:10 JonnyLaw wrote: That's fine. I want to talk about Jay. He's actually here. Both times I question him about something he comes in with a town-like response to the questions. Jay refuses to do that until there's pressure on him though. How is this town behavior? Meh. I wouldn't say he's refusing to do it. It's ok to wait sometimes. I was choosing to wait a bit longer to post what he posted about LoneMeow, which I'm sure he was doing too until you asked him to do something. I'm very biased though, cause he's basically my clone at this point. | ||
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I don't think we're going to get anywhere talking between us 3 about Jay. Unless you have some new information. | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:31 jaybrundage wrote: @Balla I don't mind I'm glad Jonny is taking interest in our towns fate I don't mind either. I just wish he would comment on other things too, because I think you're both town atm and townies discussing themselves with each other doesn't help that much. Much better to hear thoughts on other people from each other and come up with solutions to the game. I'm glad he's pressuring you though, that's good. Just don't want this to turn into a battle between you two without any results on other fronts. Na'mean? | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:33 JonnyLaw wrote: What do you think of Oats? Will you lynch hopeless if he's still lurking at vote time? I'd lynch hopeless if we can't lynch lonemeow or oats. Oats hasn't done anything to change my mind since the two cases on him from me and suki. I did like what he said in response to suki's case, but he ignored what I said (understandable considering we discussed it all before I posted my vote) and did nothing beyond defend himself from suki. I hope we see more from hopeless (pun unintended ROFL). If he continues at THIS rate then I'd lynch him over lonemeow or oats, but if he shows more, then we will see whether that holds true or not. What do YOU think? You're doing the same thing I was annoyed with Oatsmaster and Lonemeow about. | ||
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