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[I][T][M] Vengeful Mini Mafia!

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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
January 29 2014 02:19 GMT
#18
On January 29 2014 10:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
/in


let's start!
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 03 2014 04:59 GMT
#48
neverrrrrr
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 03 2014 06:39 GMT
#51
On February 03 2014 15:11 yamato77 wrote:
Disregard earlier PMs, we will be rerolling the roles.


what.... whattttttt....
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 03 2014 23:02 GMT
#59
*screams*
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 03 2014 23:04 GMT
#61
On February 04 2014 08:02 iamperfection wrote:
Who else is town?


That's a terrible question, we want to know who ISN'T town.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 03 2014 23:12 GMT
#66
On February 04 2014 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 08:04 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:02 iamperfection wrote:
Who else is town?


That's a terrible question, we want to know who ISN'T town.

I'm Mafia. How about you?

always lynch the people that claim mafia, you've played enough voice to know that's at least 80% correct!

##vote artanis
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 03 2014 23:18 GMT
#70
On February 04 2014 08:14 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:04 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:02 iamperfection wrote:
Who else is town?


That's a terrible question, we want to know who ISN'T town.

I'm Mafia. How about you?

always lynch the people that claim mafia, you've played enough voice to know that's at least 80% correct!

##vote artanis

But if your saying he knows this why would he do it?


because it's a scum default mindset! they think we know they always do it so they do it again to bluff but really, they're always scum! Artanis also claims jester exclusively as town.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 03 2014 23:19 GMT
#72
On February 04 2014 08:17 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 08:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:04 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:02 iamperfection wrote:
Who else is town?


That's a terrible question, we want to know who ISN'T town.

I'm Mafia. How about you?

always lynch the people that claim mafia, you've played enough voice to know that's at least 80% correct!

##vote artanis

99% of statistics are pulled out of one's ass. Lynch all liars!!
##vote HolyFlare

Lynch all liars? In that case you are either telling the truth with your mafia claim and we should lynch you

Or you are lying, and we should lynch you because of your own policy

well done you.


SNAPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP. Well that's gg. -1 scum down
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 03 2014 23:20 GMT
#74
On February 04 2014 08:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
So close.
I was so damn close, and then reroll.

Anyway, ##vote: marv 'cause policy. We can't have someone of your apparent unlynchability running around these parts so it will be my job to draw any and all attention to you as necessary.


artanis already claimed scum
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 03 2014 23:20 GMT
#75
do you not want to lynch scum wave?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 03 2014 23:25 GMT
#84
On February 04 2014 08:21 iamperfection wrote:
Are you being serious holy?


of course not
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 03 2014 23:29 GMT
#88
On February 04 2014 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also I'd be totally in favour of lynching scumclainers. There does seem to be some truth to holy's 'case,k though the only examle I can think of was ## maybe?
Ill look when I'm not on my phone.


I don't get it? There's some truth to my case but you can only think of 1 example? Those 2 things are contradicting statements.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 03 2014 23:36 GMT
#96
On February 04 2014 08:33 iamperfection wrote:
Wait lynched people don't flip that seems backwards


it's not, however, there are a few simple solutions to this that we can do!

1. Whoever we lynch we tell them who to shoot. That way if the person follows with our consensus then they are most likely town. If they don't then you can most likely attribute the shot to scum. This option allows a scum to hide by shooting a towny though.

2.We lynch our 2nd top scum suspect and then get him to shoot our first top scum suspect thus revealing a flip on our intended target.

I'm sure there are other ways just those are the 2 we have tended to use on voice
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 03 2014 23:40 GMT
#98
On February 04 2014 08:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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On February 04 2014 08:36 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:33 iamperfection wrote:
Wait lynched people don't flip that seems backwards


it's not, however, there are a few simple solutions to this that we can do!

1. Whoever we lynch we tell them who to shoot. That way if the person follows with our consensus then they are most likely town. If they don't then you can most likely attribute the shot to scum. This option allows a scum to hide by shooting a towny though.

2.We lynch our 2nd top scum suspect and then get him to shoot our first top scum suspect thus revealing a flip on our intended target.

I'm sure there are other ways just those are the 2 we have tended to use on voice

What's the difference between 1 and 2?


In 1 we don't get to see the alignment of our top suspect and things could fuck up because he wouldn't flip and if we tell him to shoot someone who is town he would do it as scum anyway.

In number 2 we can get our suspect shot and revealed while proving if the 2nd suspect is also town or scum while doing it.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 03 2014 23:41 GMT
#99
well, 2 reveals our top suspect not the 2nd suspect all the time but either way option 2 is probably best
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 03 2014 23:46 GMT
#101
On February 04 2014 08:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
But aren't they both just the same option with the only difference being that in option 2 we're going with our second strongest scumspect instead of our strongest? It's the same strategy, just a different lynch target.


.......................thereby a different strategy............?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 03 2014 23:50 GMT
#103
I signed up to win thanks.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 00:05 GMT
#114
Now, this is the guy I want to draw your attention to. Notice his first post:
On February 04 2014 08:51 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 08:23 marvellosity wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
So close.
I was so damn close, and then reroll.

Anyway, ##vote: marv 'cause policy. We can't have someone of your apparent unlynchability running around these parts so it will be my job to draw any and all attention to you as necessary.

Given this is a vengeful game, this is probably the stupidest thing you could possibly have written. Every single person that gets lynched can shoot me if they so please.


I have to admit. The VERY first thing I thought of when I heard you were playing was just shooting you for the fun of it.


Now, compare this with every first post in games where he has been scum.
On October 04 2012 10:12 DarthPunk wrote:
LOL. Just read the day post.

##Vote: Marvellosity


On September 04 2012 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Things seem to have progressed quickly. I thought I would post to let you guys know I had popped into the thread. I look forward to playing with you all. (especially my XXIV alum.)

On July 27 2012 09:25 DarthPunk wrote:
Hi Guys! Very excited to finally be playing. I slept in, so at the moment it is ~10:20 my time which is AEST if you ever want to check.
The deadlines are at 6am my time so I will probably be inactive for a few hours after each and before because I will be asleep.
Depending on the situation beforehand I can/will stay up for them but I really don't want that to be a regular thing.
OK now that is out of the way I am going to go back and actually read what has happened in the thread since I went to sleep LOL.

GLHF

<3<3<3.


On November 01 2012 12:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Sup Guys. Just caught up with the thread. So I have a town read on Kush, Unless he has put a great deal of effort into shifting his meta he is playing his town meta this game. So unless something drastic changes I guess that this is the first time I will not be gunning for you buddy. ^_^

If you are a miller you should claim. But I will be wary of such a claim as there have been times in the past in which an uncontested miller claim day one has sealed the win for scum. So we should exercise our judgement on such claims rather than put blind faith on their townieness.

From my first read through Release is looking suspicious. Firstly he is tunnelling townie kush, although he may be unaware of kush's meta he has a scum read over something which is at worst a null tell.
Secondly his posting feels off somehow this post in particular is scummy as shit.

Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 11:20 Release wrote:
Do not use this post later to claim that i am shifting attention off myself. I acknowledge that I am under suspicion.

So in the flurry of comment regarding the claiming, we seem to have dismissed the possibility of enacting a Lynch-all-liars policy. The main con i see if we do enact it is that we can't pull use fishing for reactions as freely. The main pro, however, is that people can't claim to be fishing for reactions. Another consequence is that more information is in the thread. Both town and mafia know more about true intentions and can react accordingly.

Personally, i am against such a policy because people can very easily say "i changed my mind" and blame/vindication will tend to be imposed base on a town/scum flip.


So after acknowledging that this post is a distraction from the suspicions on himself he attempts to create a tangent discussion on policy. And he proposes a lynch all liars policy that he talks about for a good deal and then decides he is against?

It was fluffy and served to distract the thread from pursuing him. Claiming that you are not doing that does not cause it to be untrue, rather it speaks as if he was guilty of doing EXACTLY THAT.

On June 21 2013 12:54 DarthPunk wrote:
LOL you guys are so silly. Only person I would want to lynch is oats for wanting to lynch cora.

On March 14 2013 23:23 DarthPunk wrote:
Hi Guys <3

I haven't read the thread at all so I am going to go start doing that.



The meta evidence is incredibly overwhelming, look at the super similarities between each opening post and this one here! Conclusive evidence that DP is in fact playing to his scum meta.

##Unvote
##Vote DarthPunk

+ Show Spoiler +
you don't even need to check his town game openers, that would just be overkill at this point
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 00:10 GMT
#117
On February 04 2014 09:08 DarthPunk wrote:
I am going to assume you are trying to troll me holyflare because you are pushing all my buttons right now.


Troll...? No? I quite clearly meta'd you and you are playing identically to your scum meta. Now, shoot artanis the other claimed scum when you die.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 00:15 GMT
#120
On February 04 2014 08:29 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also I'd be totally in favour of lynching scumclainers. There does seem to be some truth to holy's 'case,k though the only examle I can think of was ## maybe?
Ill look when I'm not on my phone.


I don't get it? There's some truth to my case but you can only think of 1 example? Those 2 things are contradicting statements.


Wave I still want you to address this.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 00:24 GMT
#124
On February 04 2014 09:20 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 09:15 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:29 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also I'd be totally in favour of lynching scumclainers. There does seem to be some truth to holy's 'case,k though the only examle I can think of was ## maybe?
Ill look when I'm not on my phone.


I don't get it? There's some truth to my case but you can only think of 1 example? Those 2 things are contradicting statements.


Wave I still want you to address this.

What is there to address?
On re-reading your 'case' on Artanis I actually realize I don't like it much because I didn't see at first you were referring to voice, which I believe should basically be completely disregarded as evidence for forum mafia. It got me thinking though and so I am where I am.

I don't really see what's contradictory though, unless you consider my only having one example thus far being contradictory but imo weak != contradictory.


Artanis is quite clearly playing this game in the style of voice mafia as he has referenced that he joined this for fun (not srs forum mafia funz) so my statement referred to that medium. With the amount of games that have been played on TL to say the case holds truth but only to have 1 example that isn't the same as this game's claim is worse than weak and so contradictary is the only term to use here.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 00:44 GMT
#134
On February 04 2014 09:42 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 09:32 marvellosity wrote:
That's the best early game meta case I've ever seen.

what do you like about it? i didn't find it that compelling.


.......*whoosh*
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 00:46 GMT
#137
if marv is scum I will catch him for you don't worry about that
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 00:50 GMT
#142
On February 04 2014 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh hey I have a poignant question:
How do we plan on dealing with Cephiro this game?
We don't exactly have vig shots to 'waste' if he plans on being lurk city.


we have a lot of vig shots what are you saying?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 01:09 GMT
#152
Ok enough trolling.

I'm calling out DP for his weird shitty posts so far.

On February 04 2014 08:53 DarthPunk wrote:
Well. WE should lynch artanis. The dude claimed scum. If someone claims scum, you lynch them. Pretty easy right>?


First, he starts off by saying this. I do not know whether it was a joke or not but I am almost sure that it was in fact serious based on his later post.

However, what piqued my interest was by the way he differentiated artanis' "joke" claim and wave's/marv's posts. For example:

On February 04 2014 08:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 08:23 marvellosity wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
So close.
I was so damn close, and then reroll.

Anyway, ##vote: marv 'cause policy. We can't have someone of your apparent unlynchability running around these parts so it will be my job to draw any and all attention to you as necessary.

Given this is a vengeful game, this is probably the stupidest thing you could possibly have written. Every single person that gets lynched can shoot me if they so please.


That was clearly a joke right? Dno why you would treat it like it meant something.

He calls out marv for getting all antsy on WoS's joke and questions why he would jump on it but then like 5 posts later he actually delves into calling out artanis and wanting him to reason out why he said he was mafia, treating it like it meant something.

On February 04 2014 09:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Artanis. For what reason did you claim scum? Do you think town is more likely to claim scum or that mafia are. What reason does town have to claim mafia ever?


This is quite clearly a drastic change in mindset and an opener that I'd equivocate to scum trying to start weaving a fabrication in the thread.

Also, DP tried to rationalise artanis' intentions:

On February 04 2014 09:15 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 09:15 DarthPunk wrote:
The difference with those claims is the undertone of fake claiming mafia in order for mafia to out themselves.


I guess artanis kind of did this though.


For no good reason. Not trying to figure anything out, just poking in places where he thinks he can form an elaborate web of lies.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 01:20 GMT
#156
On February 04 2014 10:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Well that is a shitty case Holyflare.

Firstly you were in Titanic II so you know that that is my position on scum claims. Vayne claimed scum and I pushed for his lynch.

Secondly I differentiate between Artanis claiming scum and Wave poking at marv cause I don;t see the point of ever claiming scum as town.

Thirdly, I don't know what the fuck you are talking about when you say I'm trying to weave a fabrication in the thread. I want to know how artanis feels about scum claims in general in order to learn something of his mindset.

And lastly there was a good reason. I was commenting on something wave posted in which that very thing had happened.


This. Specifically. You aren't pushing for a lynch on Artanis. In fact, you rationalised SOMEHOW that his fake claim was the same as the one WoS linked that was trying to draw out other mafia claims.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 01:22 GMT
#158
On February 04 2014 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 10:20 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 10:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Well that is a shitty case Holyflare.

Firstly you were in Titanic II so you know that that is my position on scum claims. Vayne claimed scum and I pushed for his lynch.

Secondly I differentiate between Artanis claiming scum and Wave poking at marv cause I don;t see the point of ever claiming scum as town.

Thirdly, I don't know what the fuck you are talking about when you say I'm trying to weave a fabrication in the thread. I want to know how artanis feels about scum claims in general in order to learn something of his mindset.

And lastly there was a good reason. I was commenting on something wave posted in which that very thing had happened.


This. Specifically. You aren't pushing for a lynch on Artanis. In fact, you rationalised SOMEHOW that his fake claim was the same as the one WoS linked that was trying to draw out other mafia claims.

lol
I could take this one but instead imma let DP handle this.


On February 04 2014 09:15 DarthPunk wrote:
The difference with those claims is the undertone of fake claiming mafia in order for mafia to out themselves.


I guess artanis kind of did this though. [/QUOTE]
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 01:23 GMT
#159
EBWOP:
On February 04 2014 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 10:20 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 10:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Well that is a shitty case Holyflare.

Firstly you were in Titanic II so you know that that is my position on scum claims. Vayne claimed scum and I pushed for his lynch.

Secondly I differentiate between Artanis claiming scum and Wave poking at marv cause I don;t see the point of ever claiming scum as town.

Thirdly, I don't know what the fuck you are talking about when you say I'm trying to weave a fabrication in the thread. I want to know how artanis feels about scum claims in general in order to learn something of his mindset.

And lastly there was a good reason. I was commenting on something wave posted in which that very thing had happened.


This. Specifically. You aren't pushing for a lynch on Artanis. In fact, you rationalised SOMEHOW that his fake claim was the same as the one WoS linked that was trying to draw out other mafia claims.

lol
I could take this one but instead imma let DP handle this.



On February 04 2014 09:15 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 09:15 DarthPunk wrote:
The difference with those claims is the undertone of fake claiming mafia in order for mafia to out themselves.


I guess artanis kind of did this though.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 01:25 GMT
#161
In fact, WoS why are you opting out of discussion? DP literally just stated that he pushed for people that claim scum's lynch. Has he been doing that here?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 01:36 GMT
#167
I fail to see how pointing out the blatant disparity between your posts makes my case shitty. You say you're waiting for artanis to respond about his "mindset", what the hell is he going to say??? "I think people that claim mafia should be lynched at all costs" or what? Nothing he can possibly reply is alignment indicative in any way shape or form so waiting for it is useless and thus his post becomes massive wifom. Why not pressure him to reply on alternate points in the game to see how he responds instead?

Other people may not have contributed but they haven't been playing objectively scummy on first glance. (maybe wave but I want to wait till hey gets to a computer).
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 01:37 GMT
#168
On February 04 2014 10:35 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:04 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:02 iamperfection wrote:
Who else is town?


That's a terrible question, we want to know who ISN'T town.

I'm Mafia. How about you?


Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 09:15 DarthPunk wrote:
On February 04 2014 09:15 DarthPunk wrote:
The difference with those claims is the undertone of fake claiming mafia in order for mafia to out themselves.


I guess artanis kind of did this though.


He literally asked you if you were mafia in that post Holyflare, so how the fuck do you not know what I am talking about?



Yes. Blatant asking is definitely "undertones". Quite clear there.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 01:43 GMT
#172
Much angry. Many scum.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 01:44 GMT
#174
On February 04 2014 10:38 iamperfection wrote:
dp what do you think of holy so far alignment wise?


What do you think of what I said about DP's start to the game?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 01:45 GMT
#179
On February 04 2014 10:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 10:38 iamperfection wrote:
dp what do you think of holy so far alignment wise?


Fucking awful. Pushing awful cases for no reason makes zero fucking sense to me.

On February 04 2014 10:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 10:36 Holyflare wrote:
I fail to see how pointing out the blatant disparity between your posts makes my case shitty. You say you're waiting for artanis to respond about his "mindset", what the hell is he going to say??? "I think people that claim mafia should be lynched at all costs" or what? Nothing he can possibly reply is alignment indicative in any way shape or form so waiting for it is useless and thus his post becomes massive wifom. Why not pressure him to reply on alternate points in the game to see how he responds instead?

Other people may not have contributed but they haven't been playing objectively scummy on first glance. (maybe wave but I want to wait till hey gets to a computer).


You have no idea how I was going to follow up those questions holyflare, I basically had the same situation occur in the other game I'm in and I handled it the same way.

Just because you don't understand what I am trying to do does not mean you need to shit all over me for it and ruin anything I may have asked him as a follow up by forcing me to respond to your shit case.



Double standards is not a good thing to have. Why is the word that should be on the tip of your tongue (scum) not coming out?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 04 2014 01:49 GMT
#183
On February 04 2014 10:45 iamperfection wrote:
dp can get emotional as town.

answer my question dp its quite a simple one.


Yes. There is a difference though. Getting emotional in the game when people aren't doing something or are town that aren't listening is when it mostly happens. Getting emotional at someone pushing "shit cases" and being "awful" shouldn't trigger those same emotions though, your first thought should be that they are scum pushing an agenda and then further investigate. Especially as DP has said "HF is a good town player that I listened to" (in Titanic). So if he thinks I am being shit in this game he should jump to the conclusion that I am being scum. Yet, this anger relates to someone that has a scum mindset of a towny pushing a case that doesn't "make sense to me even if I AM scum".
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 01:53 GMT
#194
On February 04 2014 10:52 iamperfection wrote:
although i would like more time


I agree. We can put DP on the backburner because we have infinite time.
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 01:54 GMT
#195
Can it be? 3 man mind meld so soon????
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 01:55 GMT
#198
Can it be? 3 supersexualbeings brain link complete?
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 01:56 GMT
#201
On February 04 2014 10:54 DarthPunk wrote:
Holyflare literally said he would do this before the game on TS. then he posts stupid fucking nonsense about me. There is no point even playing if I have to deal with this bullshit from the start of the game onwards.


Yes so that was why I did a joke shit meta case on you. You can literally tell that I've started playing the game when I said "trolling is over now".

If you want to redeem yourself to the 3 people voting you. Explain this other game where you pulled this same strategy and what you hoped to achieve from artanis' responses?
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 01:57 GMT
#204
SO WHY ARE YOU MAD???????????????????
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 01:57 GMT
#206
BECAUSE I'M TOWN AND BEING DUMB RIGHT?????? THANKS FOR CONFIRMING ME
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 02:00 GMT
#212
I started some god damn discussion on a change of mindset that you had shown in the thread. It wasn't the be all and end all of cases.
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 02:01 GMT
#216
Scum hunting holyflare 2gd.
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February 04 2014 02:02 GMT
#219
On February 04 2014 10:59 marvellosity wrote:
is DP Corazon's big brother?

Could it really be?!


*giggle*
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 02:02 GMT
#220
On February 04 2014 10:56 Holyflare wrote:
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On February 04 2014 10:54 DarthPunk wrote:
Holyflare literally said he would do this before the game on TS. then he posts stupid fucking nonsense about me. There is no point even playing if I have to deal with this bullshit from the start of the game onwards.


Yes so that was why I did a joke shit meta case on you. You can literally tell that I've started playing the game when I said "trolling is over now".

If you want to redeem yourself to the 3 people voting you. Explain this other game where you pulled this same strategy and what you hoped to achieve from artanis' responses?


I have literally given you an out of your rage cycle and you are still harping on about shooting me. Jesus christ.
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 02:09 GMT
#227
On February 04 2014 11:06 Promethelax wrote:
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On February 04 2014 10:54 marvellosity wrote:
I'm outlawing the phrase "mind meld"


I'm outlawing the third guy getting to say he mindmelded. I hate that shit. Its like how I took credit for being the 'hammer' vote on Sand last invite game. I knew damn well Hapa voted before me but I wanted on because shennanies are fun. One minute is a tonne of time if you are paying attention and a post doesn't take long to write.

Yo DP: cool yer jets bro. This shit is silly. Why wouldn't he push your buttons? MAfia is fun and one of the fun things is getting digs in at people.


I have no idea what you are saying.
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 02:14 GMT
#232
On February 04 2014 11:12 Promethelax wrote:
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On February 04 2014 11:09 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:06 Promethelax wrote:
On February 04 2014 10:54 marvellosity wrote:
I'm outlawing the phrase "mind meld"


I'm outlawing the third guy getting to say he mindmelded. I hate that shit. Its like how I took credit for being the 'hammer' vote on Sand last invite game. I knew damn well Hapa voted before me but I wanted on because shennanies are fun. One minute is a tonne of time if you are paying attention and a post doesn't take long to write.

Yo DP: cool yer jets bro. This shit is silly. Why wouldn't he push your buttons? MAfia is fun and one of the fun things is getting digs in at people.


I have no idea what you are saying.


calling mindmeld when you are the second (or in this case third) guy to post the same thing is horse poopy. A minute is more than enough time to post what a townie just posted and hop around screaming "mindmeld" to try to get in with the townies.


all those posts are within the same minute not even 1 minute difference
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 02:16 GMT
#237
Like prome, what are you doing now? I've already posted and it's been stated that Artanis' post is clearly alignment unindicative (the why's included) so why is your first real post to only ask that question to marv who has also been reading the thread. It's a useless rehash.
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 02:25 GMT
#249
On February 04 2014 11:23 Promethelax wrote:
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On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:09 Promethelax wrote:
I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring.

I hate people who vote themselves in IML.

Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle.


It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro.


one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments.

Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger.


That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum.

Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on.

Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play).

Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip.

So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia


It is actually a great plan for mafia. Even more than that the bussed mafia can shoot bigawesometownie1 and next day it is likely that town will lynch scummylookingtowniewhowasupforlynch since lynchedmafiaplayerX didn't shoot him.

Does DP saying that a great plan for mafia is shitty make him scum? Yes/no?


That is why we come to a consensus and make the people we lynch shoot specific targets.
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 05:09 GMT
#349
On February 04 2014 11:34 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 11:33 iamperfection wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:32 Promethelax wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:29 marvellosity wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:28 Promethelax wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:23 Promethelax wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:
[quote]

one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments.

Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger.


That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum.

Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on.

Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play).

Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip.

So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia


It is actually a great plan for mafia. Even more than that the bussed mafia can shoot bigawesometownie1 and next day it is likely that town will lynch scummylookingtowniewhowasupforlynch since lynchedmafiaplayerX didn't shoot him.

Does DP saying that a great plan for mafia is shitty make him scum? Yes/no?


That is why we come to a consensus and make the people we lynch shoot specific targets.


Can I assume for a minute that you are not dumb? Given your play in past games I think I can assume that. Why will mafia do what we tell them? If we all get together to lynch Cephero and he says he'll shoot artanis but really shoots marv how do we punish him for that? We don't. He is already dead. So why are you harping on this point. You haven't thought about this at all, have you?

Play nice.

That scenario removes the doubt from Cephiro's flip, which is a decently good thing.


Given that we lynched him I'd say we're reasonably sure. I still think scum killing townie#1 and town knowing that dead guy=scum is > for scum than townie#4 being dead and town not knowing if dead=scum

maybe that is just me though.

wat !?! you never mislynch people?


I've never mislynched cephero



Was that a joke post?
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 05:45 GMT
#350
On February 04 2014 12:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On February 04 2014 10:49 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 10:45 iamperfection wrote:
dp can get emotional as town.

answer my question dp its quite a simple one.


Yes. There is a difference though. Getting emotional in the game when people aren't doing something or are town that aren't listening is when it mostly happens. Getting emotional at someone pushing "shit cases" and being "awful" shouldn't trigger those same emotions though, your first thought should be that they are scum pushing an agenda and then further investigate. Especially as DP has said "HF is a good town player that I listened to" (in Titanic). So if he thinks I am being shit in this game he should jump to the conclusion that I am being scum. Yet, this anger relates to someone that has a scum mindset of a towny pushing a case that doesn't "make sense to me even if I AM scum".

Catching up, but....um...did you or did you not read my reactions to Toad's/Foolishness's terrible cases on me last game?

Your conclusions are completely wrong imo.


Toad's case was legitimately beyond terrible. This case was totally unjustified rage on a case that wasn't awful. How can you equate the two things at all? The fact that 3 people jumped onto him because of that shows that other people agree why so have you taken the opposite point of view?

Please explain how my conclusions are wrong.




Now onto Prome.

Half of Prome's filter is talking about tactics that scum can do and what would be best for the town to do. Now, at the start of the game it isn't so bad, however, when he talks about it more and more even though he has "thought about it a lot before the game" his ideas do not add up. In fact, there are many contradictions in his thought processes.

For instance, over time Prome discusses how it is more beneficial to kill a fringe looking townie/scum to then shoot who we think is actual scum so we can determine the alignment from the flip.
On February 04 2014 11:32 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 11:29 marvellosity wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:28 Promethelax wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:23 Promethelax wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:12 DarthPunk wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:09 Promethelax wrote:
I kinda really want to lynch DP for martyring.

I hate people who vote themselves in IML.

Policy: all lynches occur on the third day of the day cycle.


It's not the same in this setup because you get a vig shot bro.


one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments.

Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger.


That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum.

Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on.

Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play).

Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip.

So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia


It is actually a great plan for mafia. Even more than that the bussed mafia can shoot bigawesometownie1 and next day it is likely that town will lynch scummylookingtowniewhowasupforlynch since lynchedmafiaplayerX didn't shoot him.

Does DP saying that a great plan for mafia is shitty make him scum? Yes/no?


That is why we come to a consensus and make the people we lynch shoot specific targets.


Can I assume for a minute that you are not dumb? Given your play in past games I think I can assume that. Why will mafia do what we tell them? If we all get together to lynch Cephero and he says he'll shoot artanis but really shoots marv how do we punish him for that? We don't. He is already dead. So why are you harping on this point. You haven't thought about this at all, have you?

Play nice.

That scenario removes the doubt from Cephiro's flip, which is a decently good thing.


Given that we lynched him I'd say we're reasonably sure. I still think scum killing townie#1 and town knowing that dead guy=scum is > for scum than townie#4 being dead and town not knowing if dead=scum

maybe that is just me though.


However, he also states that he'd never mislynch Cephiro.

On February 04 2014 11:34 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 11:33 iamperfection wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:32 Promethelax wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:29 marvellosity wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:28 Promethelax wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:23 Promethelax wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:19 marvellosity wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:16 DarthPunk wrote:
On February 04 2014 11:15 Promethelax wrote:
[quote]

one bad shot and lylo. Totally the same, lynching scum>vigging them. Actually maybe not now that I write it down. Would prefer to lynch a townie who was on the margins of looking scummy and have them shoot a scum. It will confirm two alignments.

Was thinking in the pre game if one player is kicking ass and taking names for town scum may actually choose to bus to be able to use their shot on said player. We should not be too confidant that those who push scum are town. There is valid reason for scum to bus even when neither scum is in danger.


That is a fucking stupid plan if you are scum.

Actually it's interesting and worth spending at least some thought on.

Some time down the line you have player A and player B, both are suspicious and town is deciding between them. One mafia one townie. One is going to be lynched, the other will be vigged by the lynched player (seems a sensible play).

Makes sense for the mafia in that situation to bus the mafia, so the mafia dies and doesn't flip, and the townie flips. Probably a better result for mafia than the townie not flipping and shooting the mafia who does flip.

So it seems there's probably situations where bussing might be optimal for mafia


It is actually a great plan for mafia. Even more than that the bussed mafia can shoot bigawesometownie1 and next day it is likely that town will lynch scummylookingtowniewhowasupforlynch since lynchedmafiaplayerX didn't shoot him.

Does DP saying that a great plan for mafia is shitty make him scum? Yes/no?


That is why we come to a consensus and make the people we lynch shoot specific targets.


Can I assume for a minute that you are not dumb? Given your play in past games I think I can assume that. Why will mafia do what we tell them? If we all get together to lynch Cephero and he says he'll shoot artanis but really shoots marv how do we punish him for that? We don't. He is already dead. So why are you harping on this point. You haven't thought about this at all, have you?

Play nice.

That scenario removes the doubt from Cephiro's flip, which is a decently good thing.


Given that we lynched him I'd say we're reasonably sure. I still think scum killing townie#1 and town knowing that dead guy=scum is > for scum than townie#4 being dead and town not knowing if dead=scum

maybe that is just me though.

wat !?! you never mislynch people?


I've never mislynched cephero
This presumably implies that he can read Cephiro quite well, to the ability that he wouldn't mislynch him. Yet, his stance on Cephiro becomes increasingly more different than Artanis:

On February 04 2014 11:37 Promethelax wrote:
yeah, I don't disagree. Your problem though is that scum will shoot said townies if/when we lynch them.

Right now I'd say marv/imp both looking townie to me.

Waiting to hear from Artanis as I don't have trouble reading him. Need some personal time with him to really 'get a feel' for things.


On February 04 2014 11:40 Promethelax wrote:
I find myself kinda into the idea of lynching Cephiro (I finally figured out how to spell it) basically only he and Rayn have not been here for the opening remarks and I've found the general pace and movement of this opening to be townie and interested. I'd be willing to lynch those who are not here. Ergo Cephiro/rayn.



He doesn't mislynch Cephiro, yet here we have him increasingly leaning more and more towards lynching him without even talking to him OR rayn. Like, I understand that the pace feels towny right now but why Cephiro over Rayn? Like there is a legitimate super focus on lynching Cephiro over Artanis who claimed mafia with no thread activity further or rayn who hasn't typed at all either. He "thinks" there is a mafia between rayn and cephiro based on the thread but if that's the case then he WOULDN'T want to lynch Cephiro based on what he's said before, he would want to vote a fringe towny (probably me based on his next post), yet this conclusion is seemingly absent:

On February 04 2014 11:50 Promethelax wrote:
While we sit around waiting for DP to sift through Art's filters shall we move this discussion away from Dp and towards HF? Yes, yes we shall.

Why did Holy just vanish, he was here excited to be playing but when things got hot he got out of the kitchen. He was here to claim a mindmeld and here to argue its validity but he hasn't provided anything new to the discussion. Is HF scum? Inside sources say yes.


His only reasoning? That I vanished. Lol.

On February 04 2014 12:31 Promethelax wrote:
Sorry, that wasn't productive, mad at people who are not you.

two reasons
1: gut says people present are town for various reasons. I would bet good money that at least one of ceph/rayn are scum

2. it was a change of topic from the DP thinks Art is scum for something prome thinks is not alignment indicative. Amd I was/am bored with that topic.
This is also an incoherent thought. If the people present are town then why is he mad at those people and displaying it in the thread? If there is a good chance of scum in cephiro/rayn then surely he should be happy that he's narrowed down the pool of potential scum to two?
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 06:14 GMT
#351
Wave is another person who I am concerned about being scum.

On February 04 2014 08:30 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On February 04 2014 08:26 iamperfection wrote:
Hrm wave are you being serious?

Bout marv, no.
Bout holy/artanis, yes.
Gimme a while and ill find examples.

It always seemed to me to be more likely to joke about being scum AS scum because it would be seen at endgame to be ballsy as hell even though nobody ever takes it to be alignment indicative.


Wave initially starts the game joking around, however, after I point out the point about scum claiming scum on Artanis he seems to begin to agree with me as evidenced above and below

On February 04 2014 09:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On February 04 2014 08:18 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:14 iamperfection wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:12 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:04 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:02 iamperfection wrote:
Who else is town?


That's a terrible question, we want to know who ISN'T town.

I'm Mafia. How about you?

always lynch the people that claim mafia, you've played enough voice to know that's at least 80% correct!

##vote artanis

But if your saying he knows this why would he do it?


because it's a scum default mindset! they think we know they always do it so they do it again to bluff but really, they're always scum!
Artanis also claims jester exclusively as town.

This sort of gives the same idea I'm trying to get across but not quite. Essentially it comes down to there being absolutely no reason to claim scum as town, even to joke---seems much more likely to me to come from a mafia standpoint to introduce WIFOM into the thread at best, shit things up a little at worst and somewhere in the middle they get to brag if they win.

And before anyone asks again, yes I am completely serious. I'm gettin' them feels. This is super early and there hasn't been much in thread to give me other feels right now so it's what I'm going with atm.
##Unvote
##Vote: Artanis


So, now he is fully in agreement with what I have been saying as he is clearly quoting my reasoning as bolstering his "gut feels".

Yet, increasingly he discovers that his conclusion that scum does this all the time has 0 evidence in the entirety of TL that he remembers. You'd think this would totally remove his read on the player then?

On February 04 2014 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok caught up.
I'm comfortable with my vote where it is despite the findings that Artanis specifically does this all the time as either alignment, on voice, at weddings and at barmitzvahs.

DP the salt overflowing from this thread has raised my blood pressure. I'd stick you with a solid townread but I worry simply because I figure you're smart enough to know that kind of reaction is what people expect from you. I also have a bunch of townreads already in this game and there's only room for so many (and I'm hesitant to dump scumreads simply on lurkers).

I want to talk to you but I think the current topics have been done to death a little.

What do you make of marv?


No. He doesn't care what alignment artanis actually his he's just sticking his vote on there. Now, in the shadow game part 1 wave was COMPLETELY different. Take this post for example that he outlines his thought processes (he was town in shadow):
On January 21 2014 12:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On January 21 2014 12:36 kitaman27 wrote:
On January 21 2014 12:24 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 21 2014 12:16 kitaman27 wrote:...The reason to random vote sandroba is because he is incredibly lazy and notorious for getting away without posting on day one.


Well... why wouldn't you post this before? Regardless, several players have mentioned that sandroba isn't going to respond to pressure anyway, so I don't see the point here.


I wanted to see whether you thought that I was pushing sandroba based on his first post or not.

Regardless of whether or not sandroba will react to having votes on him, I still think the best way to start off a game is to place votes early on 1-2 targets. If we're discussing players that have recently posted, I'm not really interested in joining you on VE. Would you be willing to support a Wave bandwagon? I find very few of his questions relevant thus far. I don't see what he is looking for.

Wave, would you like to explain your approach to the first few hours of the game?

I get a feel for reads through conversation.
My questions to Hapa/Prome are to try and get a feel for them while creating conversation at the same time.
When I'm curious about something or something strikes me odd, I mention it.

I'm not sure why that isn't obvious to you.

He makes reads from conversation, from interaction, from things that are odd. Now that there is 0 information that Artanis claims scum as scum or town his read should be null. He hasn't interacted with Artanis and he hasn't discussed much else in the game despite a lot of stuff happening between me and DP.

There are a lot of posts in his filter that says all the actions DP has been doing point to town actions - but he could be smart enough to do them as scum. Wishy-washy, non alignment indicative trash. Just like his artanis read. Not only that but after agreeing with my points on Artanis (who his vote is on and is staying on) he puts ME in his top 3 scummy people in the game (based on people that have posted).

On February 04 2014 13:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
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On February 04 2014 13:12 Promethelax wrote:
you missed the thread a bit there. Which makes me feel better given how many times I've already almost posted in their game from people that are talking. Marv, the person he made a giant wall of text on here

WoS: will you play along? You liked my thought that the posters so far felt townie. Which of the players who have posted feels the least townie?

Artanis, HF, mebbe DP.
I don't like giving iamp a townread because I feel he hasn't contributed much but I give him one anyway for 'feels+' reasons.
You're probably somewhere above DP level right now, on towny side of null.


This is weird as DP who has done "towny" like things (but maybe scummy???) ranks more scummy than marv who he just made a massive post about here in which he says that he doesn't like a lot of marv's posting (but marv's post can come from both scum marv and town marv so in actuality his post was something that came to the conclusion of null - but he doesn't like them)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=441979&currentpage=17#329




This wave is not sitting right with me at all. His gameplay is completeellyyyyyy different to shadow mafia (here is his filter for shadow) and the majority of what he is posting ends up concluding that the players actions are null. His top 3 least towny looking people contain the person who he is voting based on no information, the person he said has been posting towny looking things (but could be scum because he's smart...?) and the person who he has been agreeing with (me) in regards to the person he is voting (artanis).


##Unvote
##Vote WaveOfShadow
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 04 2014 18:05 GMT
#572
For someone who has me as their top 3/4 list of scum (Promethelax) and I've been his pretty much only non-lurker scummy target he sure is interested in talking to/about me isn't he?

On February 05 2014 02:32 Promethelax wrote:
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On February 05 2014 02:30 marvellosity wrote:
On February 05 2014 02:29 Promethelax wrote:
On February 05 2014 02:10 marvellosity wrote:
On February 05 2014 02:09 Promethelax wrote:
On February 04 2014 19:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 04 2014 19:46 marvellosity wrote:
How do I know? You just made some weird nitpicky thing about a post I made, and said Prome is mafia when he probably isn't. Very bleh.

Yeah and you didn't even care to answer me.
You said "mafia benefits from chaos and whatever shit", then you call DP out for it when it was clearly Holyflare who caused the thing in the first place. So yes, i want to know why it's only DP's "fault". And now you are being a bitch and doing the same thing here, and i have no fucking idea why.


I cared to fall asleep though.

Early game is early game. Like you I'm bored of DP going on about his bullshit with Artanis' entrance. I tried, halfheartedly, to change the direction of the conversation onto HF. This game has felt like one with an end day shennanie scum lynch. And the players who haven't done anything to strike me as townie are: HF/Rayn/Ceph/Art of those three I like Artanis most on a personal level and find him easiest to read (I have no idea how I would read Ceph as I've never played with him) so I'd rather like to lynch one of the other three guys.

Bold and red don't really go together. Try again.


I have not had the chance to read him yet so at this point I'd prefer not to lynch him.

Probably better to read people before offering opinions on who you want to lynch, hmm darling?


I read everything he posted and had found it not alignment indicative. Given that it was ~6 hours into d1 I figured I'd keep the guy I liked more and would wait for him to show up to have a chit chat with and see if I could read him. Not like I'm advocating a lynch of anyone RIGHT NOW. I'm advocating a lynch of one of these four dudes and placing pressure on the ones I know less well/have a harder time reading. I see no issue here, why do you?


You'd think if his original suspicion was on 2 lurkers (rayn/cephiro) and Artanis he can read with interaction. Then surely the only person he CAN talk about is me??? Yet, he just says half of my case on him was a joke (even though another half still stands but he discredits it wholly) and fails to talk about my other case. In fact he doesn't say ANYTHING about me for the entirety of the game yet I am still in his list. Just because "I've done this with Gonzaw".
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February 04 2014 18:07 GMT
#573
Rayn, the quote about DP at the top of my Prome case had nothing to do with my case on DP, it was to do with wave's response to it which should have been quite obvious as the question was directed at wave.
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February 04 2014 18:20 GMT
#576
On February 05 2014 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn, the quote about DP at the top of my Prome case had nothing to do with my case on DP, it was to do with wave's response to it which should have been quite obvious as the question was directed at wave.

I think it's pretty clear what you are saying in that paragraph but, just to clarify:
Do you think DP is mafia or not?


I'll have to re-read him thoroughly but from what I got on my run through and what I was thinking after things cooled down, probably not.
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February 04 2014 18:25 GMT
#577
On February 05 2014 03:12 Promethelax wrote:
Okay, HF is scum because the only thing which makes him town is his rage inducing interactions with DP which is something he has very recently proved he is able to do.

There are things which make 5 players town. PoE three of the other four are scum.


There is nothing that makes wave town and I am confused why you have placed him in the "town" pile. Regardless of his meta or not he kept his vote on artanis without discussing with him and he didn't care what Artanis' claim meant in terms of alignment, he was quite happy to waste his vote on someone he knew nothing about. He can argue it's "pressure" or whatever but he has done nothing to interact with that vote since.

The only thing he has done since Artanis started talking is to say

On February 04 2014 23:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
I'm reading and posting when I can until later
Speaking of pointless cases can anyone explain iamps suspicions on me? Marv you have a super towny townread on him right? Maybe you can elaborate.

I don't like HF's case but at the very least I can sort of understand what he's getting at because my D1 this game IS different from last game, but as I said if he cared to look, its not so different from other more aggressive games of mine, ie NWM or LXII. What bothers me a little is Rayn bringing up the meta defense because I'm not sure it applies in this case. Ill delcve into it when I get a chance later today.

Artanis, keep talking.


No more interaction, no more talking. You'd think you'd want to determine the alignment of someone you are voting since he is so adament at keeping his vote on him. Coupled with the fact that he has lumped me in with his scum reads even though he agreed with the majority of what I said about Artanis. Wave's play just doesn't make sense as someone trying to learn about other people's roles.
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February 04 2014 18:28 GMT
#580
On February 05 2014 03:12 Promethelax wrote:
Okay, HF is scum because the only thing which makes him town is his rage inducing interactions with DP which is something he has very recently proved he is able to do.

There are things which make 5 players town. PoE three of the other four are scum.


This is also why I think prome is actually scum. He keeps harping on with rhetoric about "the heart of the thread is towny guys!" and "I love you allllllllllll let's lynch dem lurkers scummers!!!!!" yet, he isn't actively determining whether his town reads are correct. He has lumped 5 players into one category and perpetuates more about Cephiro (even if his posts are awful) rather than trying to interact with other people and see if he needs to second guess himself.
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February 04 2014 18:32 GMT
#582
On February 05 2014 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 03:20 Holyflare wrote:
On February 05 2014 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 05 2014 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn, the quote about DP at the top of my Prome case had nothing to do with my case on DP, it was to do with wave's response to it which should have been quite obvious as the question was directed at wave.

I think it's pretty clear what you are saying in that paragraph but, just to clarify:
Do you think DP is mafia or not?


I'll have to re-read him thoroughly but from what I got on my run through and what I was thinking after things cooled down, probably not.

umm..
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 14:45 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 04 2014 10:49 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 10:45 iamperfection wrote:
dp can get emotional as town.

answer my question dp its quite a simple one.


Yes. There is a difference though. Getting emotional in the game when people aren't doing something or are town that aren't listening is when it mostly happens. Getting emotional at someone pushing "shit cases" and being "awful" shouldn't trigger those same emotions though, your first thought should be that they are scum pushing an agenda and then further investigate. Especially as DP has said "HF is a good town player that I listened to" (in Titanic). So if he thinks I am being shit in this game he should jump to the conclusion that I am being scum. Yet, this anger relates to someone that has a scum mindset of a towny pushing a case that doesn't "make sense to me even if I AM scum".

Catching up, but....um...did you or did you not read my reactions to Toad's/Foolishness's terrible cases on me last game?

Your conclusions are completely wrong imo.


Toad's case was legitimately beyond terrible. This case was totally unjustified rage on a case that wasn't awful. How can you equate the two things at all? The fact that 3 people jumped onto him because of that shows that other people agree why so have you taken the opposite point of view?

Please explain how my conclusions are wrong.

Okay then what do you mean by the bolded part?
What i read is you tell your case on DP is good and ask Wave why does he not agree with it, no?


I think what I said "made sense" in a way because that is what a normal reaction is (DP isn't normal PPP). It's less about my stance on DP and more about why Wave has taken the totally OPPOSITE point of view (in comparison to 3 people that shared the view) and compared it to a case that I thought had very little relevance. I used that post as a way to get to the bottom of what wave is thinking in this game as I know he likes to conspiracy theorise and come up with whacky situations based on nothing and I wanted to know if that was the case here.
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February 04 2014 18:33 GMT
#583
On February 05 2014 03:28 LSB wrote:
Hi guas


have you actually replaced...?
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 18:38 GMT
#588
On February 05 2014 03:33 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 03:33 Holyflare wrote:
On February 05 2014 03:28 LSB wrote:
Hi guas


have you actually replaced...?


What the fuck question is this? The mod said so.


Well let's see the realm of possibilities oh royal ass hat.

1) I missed it
2) ......?
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 18:39 GMT
#589
On February 05 2014 03:33 Promethelax wrote:
Wave is pretty town actually. His vote doesn't matter that much. It's early game and I don't care where his vote is until it comes down to someone actually being lynched.

So you agree with me/Marv/DP/iamperfection being town? Your only issue is with wave?


The fact you think it's about his vote and not his interactions is laughable.
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February 04 2014 18:40 GMT
#591
On February 05 2014 03:39 marvellosity wrote:
Holy why you no talk about sexy things that marvelbabe talks about?


what specifically?
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February 04 2014 18:41 GMT
#593
On February 05 2014 03:41 marvellosity wrote:
rayn & Artanis


I'll get there broooo
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February 04 2014 18:43 GMT
#596
Why are you so angry prome?
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 18:44 GMT
#597
If I call you mafia for not interacting with your scum read and trying to see if you are wrong


but then

you

call me mafia for the same thing





wasssss i right all along...!?!??!?!?!?!?!
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 18:48 GMT
#599
On February 05 2014 03:47 Promethelax wrote:
I'm not angry. This is the least angry I've been in a week. I'm having a ball. Your inability to read emotions is weird. Is that a thing you are actually bad at or is it because you are scum?

No you are scum because you are, I clearly replicated the form of your case on me on you to show that you are pressuring based on a thing you don't believe since you do not do it. Because you are scum.

Marv/lsb you around? Lets talk about HF



I'm almost convinced i'm scum too with a case like that :O!!!!
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 19:00 GMT
#601
On February 05 2014 03:41 marvellosity wrote:
rayn & Artanis



When i came to the thread and saw the first thing from rayn I was like "what the shit is rayn doing now, he literally just summarised everything I said. Oh god is this scum rayn, there's no 3rd party and this isn't town rayn wth is going onnnnn" because it's so far removed from what he usually does.

Yet because he threw in this line in his response to your points on him
I also decided before the game that i am going to be more passive and not a usual shithead who jumps on all the places. Yes, i would do that as mafia aswell, but that does not mean i am mafia. Also, this is the perfect game to start because i don't give a fuck if you lynch me because i can just shoot mafia.
I instantly felt more aprehensive. Maybe this was his plan all along with posting that though because it took the edge off what I was thinking. I assumed it meant "post everything I'm thinking" which would correlate to what he has been doing.

Your last 2 points on him about having wrong reasons are like quintessential any alignment rayn though he just calls people scum/town with no reason all the time.

I liked the fact that he was trying to get you and DP to stop and actually start making cases because you were clogging up the thread with useless crap at that point, if he was mafia he'd perpetuate that or just sit back and let you get out of hand (something you even mentioned at the start would be great for scum).

On February 04 2014 19:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
CAN YOU BOTH JUST FUCKING STOP?
Make a case if you think the other one is mafia.






Holyflare
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February 04 2014 19:04 GMT
#603
On February 05 2014 03:58 Promethelax wrote:
I'm going to grab a bite to eat and wait for someone who isn't HF to be here. This is not a productive conversation.

Marv, when you get I'd like you to address my points on HF. If you find him townie I need some convincing, If you find him scummy lets lynch him.

HF please provide a list of your reads from towniest to scummiest



Lists are dumb.

Scummy people: Wave, Prome, Cephiro (haven't checked artanis enough to put him in any list yet)

Towny: Me, marv, probably add DP in here too now (not totally convinced on iamp because I haven't ever played with him)
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February 04 2014 19:05 GMT
#604
On February 05 2014 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have clearly not read the thread Holyflare.


?
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 19:07 GMT
#606
I don't think marv's points point to you being scum and you have been asking questions so I don't think you're as scummy as marv makes out for you to be so why would I invest so much time into reading you more and more when I have 2 other people that I think are definitely more scummy?
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February 04 2014 19:21 GMT
#608
On February 05 2014 04:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 04:05 Holyflare wrote:
On February 05 2014 04:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You have clearly not read the thread Holyflare.


?

This comment of yours:
Show nested quote +
When i came to the thread and saw the first thing from rayn I was like "what the shit is rayn doing now, he literally just summarised everything I said. Oh god is this scum rayn, there's no 3rd party and this isn't town rayn wth is going onnnnn" because it's so far removed from what he usually does.

That's not what i did. I thought you did intentionally provoke DP into raging and therefore asked marv about the post he made about DP. I had missed a comment of yours regarding your read on DP, and when i found it i understood what marv said and more importantly why he did say what he did.

But the thing i still don't get about you is why did you drop your scumread on DP?



On February 04 2014 17:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I did not like Holyflare at all in the beginning. It felt like he was doing the same thing to DarthPunk that Artanis did to me as scum in the NMM, which was to piss me off for no reason. Which brings me to this:

marv, you made this post:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 11:09 marvellosity wrote:
The absolute best thing for mafia in this sort of game is to have townies riled up and wanting to take vengeful shots. Ironically.

Mafia have much less space to hide in if people are rational and aren't self-hammering just so they can shoot the person that can piss them off.

Anyone should be able to see that that is absolutely the best thing for mafia. Worst thing for mafia = everyone being rational so they can't take funky shots if they're lynched under the guise of emotion or having a laugh. Maybe Artanis is town and he's not going to bow to the will of the people, but if he's in danger of being lynched, it should be clear how and why his top suspect is, and we can go off that.

So if I assume you're town, DP, then whatever it takes for this not to happen is what you gotta do. Because I'm not having tits throw this game away because they're pissed off and they want to shoot people.

In your opinion, is it only DP who is to "blame" here? Why d you think it's only DP that needs to calm down and not Holyflare who needs to not provoke people in a way that he KNOWS pisses them off?

That being said i like his recent posting much more.

Prome most likely mafia. His top 2 contributions are:
1) "Those two guys who are asleep atm, at least one of them is scum because everyone else seems town"
2) "I'd like to talk more about Holyflare, but after i say this i never talk about Holyflare."



On February 04 2014 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wave could you explain your stances on Artanis and DP? I am not following you here.



That's what i'm referring to. My case on wave was him not making sense and my case on prome (regardless of whether his cephiro mislynch post was a joke or not) was that he was lynching lurkers (cephiro over you rayn for no reason). So your first posts of the game looked really fishy to me as they were so close to what I had already said.


DP is a case of too much legitimate rage to be scum. He's literally arguing with me and marv over the most lame shit over and over again and when it get's too heated it's "lynch me i don't care i'll shoot you". That would be -1 mafia and he'd be shooting the guy that he "thinks" is scummy so that wouldn't make any sense. You can argue that his rage is fake and he wouldn't shoot marv etc but I don't think it is.
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February 04 2014 19:22 GMT
#609
That being said, I still think wave adding me to his "top 3 scum suspects" despite agreeing with me on almost everything to do with artanis is single handedly the most weird thing in the thread.
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 19:35 GMT
#610
Like my thought process would be.

Oh Holyflare said some good points about artanis ("vote artanis"), I think artanis is scummy so holyflare is probably right etc etc +town points for pointing it out and discussion!

Oh, some rage is going on in thread, someone asked me who my reads are let's respond!

Hmm, sooo, the guy that actually started some discussion and made me vote for who i am voting for is probably a + in my books rather than scummy, then there's the afkers and the guy i'm voting for sooooo yeh that guy who made me vote for my target is ok in my books

that would be logical, however, out of nowhere BAM holy/artanis/dp???????????????????

On February 04 2014 13:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 13:12 Promethelax wrote:
you missed the thread a bit there. Which makes me feel better given how many times I've already almost posted in their game.

WoS: will you play along? You liked my thought that the posters so far felt townie. Which of the players who have posted feels the least townie?

Artanis, HF, mebbe DP.
I don't like giving iamp a townread because I feel he hasn't contributed much but I give him one anyway for 'feels+' reasons.
You're probably somewhere above DP level right now, on towny side of null.

Holyflare
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February 04 2014 19:41 GMT
#612
Like I get what you're saying but I don't think you are scum at the moment so why are we still discussing this rather than discussing about other people that are more likely to be scum?
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 20:03 GMT
#618
On February 05 2014 04:59 LSB wrote:
Man this thread was an aweful read. So much egos and rage.

I just made a few notes on some people who are important I guess

+ Show Spoiler [DP] +
DP WoS seem too buddy buddy to me.
DP is really defensive
Dp is really mad, seems a little overblown and fake to me. Then again he may just be Mad


+ Show Spoiler [WoS] +
Seems too interested in making friends.
Pops a push on DP out of nowhere, keep in mind DP is probably going to death shot HFI also don't like how he is trying to tie DP/HF together
Otherwise he talks about artanis which is one of the strangest cases off of spam I have ever seen

##Vote: WoS

+ Show Spoiler [HF] +
Just stirring up things (Which is bad). IE what he did as town in Titanic


This post comes to no conclusions and your vote on WoS is really odd given the reasoning you are giving. Your points on DP are really odd and say he could be either alignment..? Your points on me have no basis either because I'm actually pointing out things rather than stirring. You also leave out everyone else, why are these 3 people the most important to you? x_x
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February 04 2014 20:17 GMT
#625
On February 05 2014 05:15 marvellosity wrote:
Holy I gotta say I come out on Prome's side and not yours in that little tete a tete.

Meanwhile there's literally no reason we shouldn't be lynching Artanis. Is there Holy?


dunno not read him yet cba at the moment
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 20:18 GMT
#626
why you neglect read on wave marv?
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 20:20 GMT
#631
despite everything he's done he's not very interesting................? Yet your points on rayn hold less weight in my mind than my points on wave.
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 20:21 GMT
#634
:OOOOO well i've already explained why i don't think rayn is scummy suspect (although lazily) so at least do the same for why you think wave is not scummy
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 20:23 GMT
#636
also please explain the comment about me or prome i literally have no idea what you mean by saying "he comes out on top" what makes him come out on top? What did you see as a negative point in regards to me to move me down below people that have blatent contradictions in thought processes or play styles
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February 04 2014 20:43 GMT
#645
On February 05 2014 05:24 LSB wrote:
Yeah I don't get the artanis is scum because he is not taking the game seriously meta. If anything it puts more townie points for me.

Artanis is quite capable of taking the game seriously and acting like one of the most townie player in the game as scum. I would be more concerned if he was an active townie than the lurker that he is right now

On February 05 2014 05:41 LSB wrote:
After reading the game I think I'm inclined to take Artanis's mafia claim as serious.


what the actual fuck man?
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 20:44 GMT
#647
On February 05 2014 05:43 marvellosity wrote:
I mean if you think Artanis is mafia then you have no grounds to be asking why I am "so bad" this game when the person I want to kill you also think is mafia.


get to the task i set for you
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 20:46 GMT
#650
On February 05 2014 05:44 marvellosity wrote:
no, you don't get to demand things of me.


but i get to play the game and if you say things out of the blue without justification then you look baaaaaaaaad
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 20:46 GMT
#651
On February 05 2014 05:45 marvellosity wrote:
Especially when you've still not bothered to read Artanis who is looking very mafia-like.

Bad Holy.


same with wave

bad marv
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 20:48 GMT
#653
i haven't read artanis yet jesus i'm just talking about events right now, i haven't made a statement on him yet and i won't till i've read him


i'm more concerned why you won't look into a guy whose thought patterns don't align well with anything he is doing and instead want to discuss artanis some more who you already stated could be scum
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February 04 2014 20:49 GMT
#654
On February 05 2014 05:21 Holyflare wrote:
:OOOOO well i've already explained why i don't think rayn is scummy suspect (although lazily) so at least do the same for why you think wave is not scummy

On February 05 2014 05:23 Holyflare wrote:
also please explain the comment about me or prome i literally have no idea what you mean by saying "he comes out on top" what makes him come out on top? What did you see as a negative point in regards to me to move me down below people that have blatent contradictions in thought processes or play styles

Holyflare
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February 04 2014 20:52 GMT
#659
On February 05 2014 05:49 marvellosity wrote:
I'm not interested in Artanis anymore, I'm interested in you and your attitude.

I told you I don't have much to say about Wave. He'll post more and I'll go from there.



I have an "attitude" because you refuse to comment on shit that is relevant to me and others in the game. Artanis COULD be demoralised at rolling scum again, he COULD be whatever. He isn't posting anything currently and so his posts should be the same to you as wave?

I'm interested to why you state mafia's best play is to "shit up the thread with emotions" and then not long after get into another argument with dp about why he's so bad

I've only heard your thoughts on rayn/artanis/cephiro and 2 out of 3 of those are lurkers. I want to know WHY you don't have anything to say about wave and I want to know why you think prome is "coming out on top".
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February 04 2014 20:54 GMT
#661
yes i'm actually serious, artanis is probably scum, so what? we kill him and then we have to kill 2 others
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 20:55 GMT
#664
If all games could be solved by mafia always being useless lurkers then shit, maybe lurkers should always get lynched. Oh wait........
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 20:58 GMT
#669
like wth is going on
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February 04 2014 20:59 GMT
#672
you favour promethelax the guy who says "all the guys who are posting must be town huehuehue" with no reasoning and no logic who wants to shoot into lurkers and he actually had a BIAS on who to shoot (cephiro) between the 2 lurkers and he is also the guy that DEFENDED your top scum read (artanis) by saying, no no he's a claimed scum lurker but i can read him - let's keep him in the game please.


marv you aren't this bad
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February 04 2014 21:01 GMT
#675
On February 05 2014 05:59 Promethelax wrote:
Fair enough.

I dunno HF what the hell is going on? Marv and I are reading players similarly and both disagree with you because you are spouting a lot of bull. Or is there something else you wanted to bring outer attention to?


I literally do not understand any of the shit you spout. WHAT REASON DOES WAVE INCLUDE THE PERSON HE AGREED WITH THE ENTIRE GAME INTO HIS TOP 3 SCUM PROBABILITIES.
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February 04 2014 21:01 GMT
#676
On February 05 2014 05:59 marvellosity wrote:
Artanis isn't a lurker. If he hasn't posted by the end of the day (as in, the 24 hour day today) he's given up as mafia. If he does post, he is probably still mafia but we can reassess.


He WAS a lurker at the start of the game when prome defended him
Holyflare
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February 04 2014 21:02 GMT
#677
On February 05 2014 06:00 marvellosity wrote:
normally when people call me bad for thinking differently from them, i am right and they are in fact bad.

examples: lots of games i play in all the time


there's a difference from thinking differently and ignoring any and all facts about people in the game, you are doing the latter.
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February 04 2014 21:03 GMT
#680
fml
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February 04 2014 21:18 GMT
#691
don't get where these "no reasons" keep popping up.... -.- there are plenty of reasons

On February 05 2014 06:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 03:32 Holyflare wrote:
On February 05 2014 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 05 2014 03:20 Holyflare wrote:
On February 05 2014 03:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 05 2014 03:07 Holyflare wrote:
Rayn, the quote about DP at the top of my Prome case had nothing to do with my case on DP, it was to do with wave's response to it which should have been quite obvious as the question was directed at wave.

I think it's pretty clear what you are saying in that paragraph but, just to clarify:
Do you think DP is mafia or not?


I'll have to re-read him thoroughly but from what I got on my run through and what I was thinking after things cooled down, probably not.

umm..
On February 04 2014 14:45 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 12:00 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 04 2014 10:49 Holyflare wrote:
On February 04 2014 10:45 iamperfection wrote:
dp can get emotional as town.

answer my question dp its quite a simple one.


Yes. There is a difference though. Getting emotional in the game when people aren't doing something or are town that aren't listening is when it mostly happens. Getting emotional at someone pushing "shit cases" and being "awful" shouldn't trigger those same emotions though, your first thought should be that they are scum pushing an agenda and then further investigate. Especially as DP has said "HF is a good town player that I listened to" (in Titanic). So if he thinks I am being shit in this game he should jump to the conclusion that I am being scum. Yet, this anger relates to someone that has a scum mindset of a towny pushing a case that doesn't "make sense to me even if I AM scum".

Catching up, but....um...did you or did you not read my reactions to Toad's/Foolishness's terrible cases on me last game?

Your conclusions are completely wrong imo.


Toad's case was legitimately beyond terrible. This case was totally unjustified rage on a case that wasn't awful. How can you equate the two things at all? The fact that 3 people jumped onto him because of that shows that other people agree why so have you taken the opposite point of view?

Please explain how my conclusions are wrong.

Okay then what do you mean by the bolded part?
What i read is you tell your case on DP is good and ask Wave why does he not agree with it, no?


I think what I said "made sense" in a way because that is what a normal reaction is (DP isn't normal PPP). It's less about my stance on DP and more about why Wave has taken the totally OPPOSITE point of view (in comparison to 3 people that shared the view) and compared it to a case that I thought had very little relevance. I used that post as a way to get to the bottom of what wave is thinking in this game as I know he likes to conspiracy theorise and come up with whacky situations based on nothing and I wanted to know if that was the case here.

lol I'm scum because I didn't agree with you and 3 other people?
Read Shadow game again, bro.
And as far as 'normal' reactions go, where does VE fit on that spectrum of yours?

Personally I think I just read people better than you and you're a little salty aboot it.
Catching up.


No that reaction does not make you scum, it's just odd in a non alignment indicative way, like I literally stated in that post you linked. Your thought processes and thread presence does make you scum to me though.
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February 04 2014 21:26 GMT
#697
wave confirmed town
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#699
On February 05 2014 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 04:35 Holyflare wrote:
Like my thought process would be.

Oh Holyflare said some good points about artanis ("vote artanis"), I think artanis is scummy so holyflare is probably right etc etc +town points for pointing it out and discussion!

Oh, some rage is going on in thread, someone asked me who my reads are let's respond!

Hmm, sooo, the guy that actually started some discussion and made me vote for who i am voting for is probably a + in my books rather than scummy, then there's the afkers and the guy i'm voting for sooooo yeh that guy who made me vote for my target is ok in my books

that would be logical, however, out of nowhere BAM holy/artanis/dp???????????????????

On February 04 2014 13:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 04 2014 13:12 Promethelax wrote:
you missed the thread a bit there. Which makes me feel better given how many times I've already almost posted in their game.

WoS: will you play along? You liked my thought that the posters so far felt townie. Which of the players who have posted feels the least townie?

Artanis, HF, mebbe DP.
I don't like giving iamp a townread because I feel he hasn't contributed much but I give him one anyway for 'feels+' reasons.
You're probably somewhere above DP level right now, on towny side of null.


Hey, guess what?
Read the thread. The question I was asked was 'Which of the players who have posted feel the least towny?'
Not "ZOMG LIST SCUM PLZ"
I have never called you scum this game, not even once, and for some reason you have gotten it in your head that I'm after you because you hadn't done anything at that point in the game for me to find you specifically towny.

This prompts a filter dive once I'm done, because that's honestly a horrible reason to start in on me, and your other reasons for suspicion haven't been fantastic either.

K no more posting till donez fo realz

+ Show Spoiler +
brainz


I know what you were asked. The fact you followed my reasoning and voted the target that I made should exclude me and artanis being in any sort of list you made altogether. You valued prome for a post of his saying "yeh everyone talking is totes town" despite the fact it was at like 3am EU time and so his only targets weren't lurkers they were just asleep europeans. Your other example was DP, despite you posting why his rage IS TOWNY. Why would you disagree with the point I made about his rage being from scum and then backtrack to put him in that top list of people that are talking? That didn't make sense either.
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February 04 2014 21:31 GMT
#701
On February 05 2014 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Wait so LSB says that Artanis's mafia claim is serious, and votes me.
K.
Holy are you taking the place of tunnelRayn in this game?
Are you going to make me fight with you and try to bash it through your thick skull that I am not scum? Because I'll do it, and it won't be pretty. And if it turns out you're scum, I'll even do it so well that you'll be forced to back down and find another mislynch.
How does that sound bbygrl?


Discussing things with me is beneficial to me and the rest of the thread and so if you can prove you are town by doing it then of course I want you to do that.
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February 04 2014 22:18 GMT
#707
In regards to the DP thing, I was originally trolling him with that fake meta case (obvious). I took his reaction to be scum indicative as shown in that post that keeps getting quoted. After things cooled down and I wasn't as invested/tunneled I realised that DP rages at everything and so it wasn't alignment indicative. However, it happened again between him and marv and rayn asked me the same thing to which I responded:

DP is a case of too much legitimate rage to be scum. He's literally arguing with me and marv over the most lame shit over and over again and when it get's too heated it's "lynch me i don't care i'll shoot you". That would be -1 mafia and he'd be shooting the guy that he "thinks" is scummy so that wouldn't make any sense. You can argue that his rage is fake and he wouldn't shoot marv etc but I don't think it is.


Will re-check over rest in a bit.
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#788
On February 05 2014 15:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 15:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 05 2014 12:04 DarthPunk wrote:
On February 05 2014 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I dunno. Maybe marv is mafia. I have never seen town!marv not read the thread properly, especially when he talks about his scumread.


What? Don't call marv obviously town for no reason and then call him scummy again. That is fucking bullshit. If your can change that fast how was he obviously town in the first place?

On February 05 2014 05:43 marvellosity wrote:
I mean if you think Artanis is mafia then you have no grounds to be asking why I am "so bad" this game when the person I want to kill you also think is mafia.


That is also odd.

God I hope you actually are town this game rayn.

Because marv has called me scum for days with absolutely no reasoning. Then i lay out my scumreads (which btw include Artanis) and he cames in and asks me this retarded question about if Artanis is my townread.

Another dude who calls me scum for absolutely no reasoning is Wave. He sneakily adds it in multiple places and never explains his read in detail.

Show me one spot where I have called you scum.
All I've said about you all game is you haven't given me townrayn feels, and the fact that it seems to me you haven't done anything particularly useful today is getting to me.

It still feels that way to me. You're not even being a fraction as aggressive as you normally are, I don't sense a purpose to any of your posts and you haven't pushed anybody all day.

But go ahead, prove me wrong, I look forward to it.

On February 04 2014 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 09:40 iamperfection wrote:
do you find marv hard to read wave?

Considering I 'caught' him very early in the game in Shadow (though I didn't believe myself at the time) I'd say probably not, though at that point I also had never played a game with scum-marv before and there was a lot of other shit going down in thread all game, and marv survived so obviously neither I nor anyone else can really take any credit at all. At the very least I'd feel more confident in my ability to catch him in future games (including this one).

I'd probably find rayn my personal 'hardest to read' in this particular game.


Wut? If he's so hard to read how do you know what town rayn feels like?
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 08:04 GMT
#791
Nah I'll be sleeping soon just read through while watching walking dead and i remembered that early post.
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 08:24 GMT
#795
On February 05 2014 17:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hmm.. So apparetly everyone in this game (barring Cephiro?) thinks Artanis is mafia.
So if he is mafia he is being bussed.


Why is that the only option what if he was town (probs not likely)?
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 08:24 GMT
#796
Nvm you said if, bed time it is!
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February 05 2014 09:17 GMT
#808
Don't include me then
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 09:29 GMT
#814
On February 05 2014 18:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Have you slept already?


Gotta stay awake for a delivery zzzzzz
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 09:37 GMT
#819
Prome/HF
Super hardcore bussing? Lack of reading thread? Why not expand on your reads??
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 09:51 GMT
#823
Anyone played with cephiro on forum before? Does he do this "my plan is complete" only to then reveal... Nothing?
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 09:52 GMT
#824
Zzzzzz i trolled dp for one post. You REALLY haven't read the thread.
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 09:55 GMT
#828
Like how can you say me and marv did the same thing but then marv is most towny with dp and rayn. While I'm the least towny? 1 of my posts trolled dp and i have 6 pages of filter looool
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February 05 2014 09:58 GMT
#830
On February 05 2014 18:53 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 18:52 Holyflare wrote:
Zzzzzz i trolled dp for one post. You REALLY haven't read the thread.


I disagree completely with that statement. but let's not bring it up again.


No but seriously i trolled you for one post. As soon as i said no more trolling i meant it. If i misconstrued something and it seemed like more trolling then i must have misread something in your posts.

Either way, what i just said about cephiro still stands.
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February 05 2014 09:59 GMT
#832
On February 05 2014 18:56 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 18:51 Holyflare wrote:
Anyone played with cephiro on forum before? Does he do this "my plan is complete" only to then reveal... Nothing?


Well I do have a tendency of making up all kinds of plans, mostly overly complicated and counting on a small, very unlikely possibility to pull off a huge play. Usually hasn't ended up that well, but practice makes better...

You've played with me in several games though, so I'm curious why you are asking about others? You've been around long enough to know.


I haven't played a forum game with you have i....?
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February 05 2014 10:04 GMT
#834
On February 05 2014 18:58 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 18:55 Holyflare wrote:
Like how can you say me and marv did the same thing but then marv is most towny with dp and rayn. While I'm the least towny? 1 of my posts trolled dp and i have 6 pages of filter looool


I don't care if you have 0.6, 6, 16, or 60 pages of filter. It's not alignment indicative. There are reasons why I consider your play more likely to be pro-scum than pro-town. As I explained earlier, even though I dislike marv's play in general he has enough good points to back him up as likely town.

He could still be scum, I'm open up to all possibilities for now.


You're literally not grasping my point. The only point you raise about my play is 1 post out of 120. You acknowledge your play has been shit if you are town so you need to prove to us you ARE town by elaborating on your reads. You shouldn't have to be asked.
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February 05 2014 10:08 GMT
#836
Don't really remember people from when I'm scum gotta keep track of the lies. +he didn't do any plans then
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 10:11 GMT
#838
Kinda blanked hogwarts from my mind anyway :p
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 10:16 GMT
#840
You are 36 hours late to the fucking party that's why it matters. 2 people are already considered super scummy artanis/prome based on play that WE HAVE ALREADY DONE. I'm confident we have found scum seemingly so are rayn and dp. You cannot find mutual partners to trust if you don't convince us to trust you.

Stop this shit plan/act and give me some elaborations
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 10:22 GMT
#846
On February 05 2014 19:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Ok so we wanted to lynch?/shoot? ceph because he was afk right? so now he is not afk and he is making some good posts. Let's just give him some room to operate, make some cases etc.

Not like we are in any hurry to lynch someone.

@ holyflare, Stop being so defensive, he didn't even call you scum, no point shitting on him as soon as he starts playing just because he didn't call you townie town town. Don't be marv.


His entrance is fucking awful
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 10:25 GMT
#855
I don't care if he calls me town or scum or whatever, but when he comes in 36 hours into the game after we've put in all the work on finding potential scum reads to give us a list that on further elaboration is based off of 0 posts in the thread? Yeh. That's awesome "town" work.
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 10:40 GMT
#874
On February 05 2014 19:38 marvellosity wrote:
Right, I'll probably AFK until town gets around to lynching Artanis, I can deal with rayn later.


Why not get someone to shoot artanis and potentially confirm 2 scum or 1 scum/1 town?
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 10:53 GMT
#891
Dude just stop replying and stating the obvious shit and elaborate on your list. I have outlined why PROMETHELAX is scum and dp has even quoted all my shit saying why, which you'd know if you actually were reading the thread.... Artanis was pointed out as scum by other people hence why i said WE have found the scummy reads which you contributed nothing towards.

Your play wouldn't be undermined if you actually cooperated. Why can't i be the IDGAF towny who just wants to find scum. You are looking like the outlier here.
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 10:57 GMT
#895
On February 05 2014 19:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 05 2014 18:29 Holyflare wrote:
On February 05 2014 18:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Have you slept already?


Gotta stay awake for a delivery zzzzzz

In case you are planning on being here what do you think of Wave's last contributions and what i said about marv?



Will reread that when i wake up and get to my computer. Just lying in bed on phone responding to current events.
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 10:59 GMT
#900
Are you a real person? These posts don't seem like they come from someone using any logical sense.
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 11:02 GMT
#903
I
Want
Your
Fucking
Proper
Reads

I am making a new acronym IWYFR. You are wasting time telling us you will cooperate but are asking random crap questions instead of answering questions.
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 11:06 GMT
#908
So your elaboration on me was that my posts can be scummy and can be towny?

Your elaboration on prome was that he didn't make sense some places

Your elaboration on everyone else?? These aren't even real elaborations. If that's all you have in the time you've read then yeh. You are rapidly descending some arbitrary list.
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 20:03 GMT
#1020
On February 06 2014 04:39 Promethelax wrote:
So yeah: DP/Me/Marv/Wave/LampSB are town. Game solved.

Argue with me bitches.


lynch me so i can shoot you
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 20:05 GMT
#1021
Why did you not do this when asked to by me/dp/rayn and was called out for it numerous times before? Why did you pull a whiney hissy fit about how rayn and me were riding dp's dick when you've come to the conclusion that both rayn and me must be scum (so then your hissy fit makes no sense). Why didn't you do this to prove them as towny before instead of posting your bad "meta feels" post?

Holyflare
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February 05 2014 20:11 GMT
#1023
wave let's form a circle/line of love
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 20:22 GMT
#1025
On February 06 2014 05:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 05:11 Holyflare wrote:
wave let's form a circle/line of love

And yet you're voting me. Makes sense.


ignore that vote i just haven't typed unvote yet, not convinced you're scum anymore
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February 05 2014 20:23 GMT
#1026
anyway WHY CAN LOVE NOT TRANSCEND POSSIBLE ALIGNMENTS WAVEEEEEEEE
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 20:43 GMT
#1032
I want prome to be shot not the other way around.
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 20:50 GMT
#1039
can we get on with the game instead of arguing about semantics? what do you think of what I said here:

On February 06 2014 05:05 Holyflare wrote:
Why did you not do this when asked to by me/dp/rayn and was called out for it numerous times before? Why did you pull a whiney hissy fit about how rayn and me were riding dp's dick when you've come to the conclusion that both rayn and me must be scum (so then your hissy fit makes no sense). Why didn't you do this to prove them as towny before instead of posting your bad "meta feels" post?


Holyflare
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February 05 2014 20:59 GMT
#1041
prome is also at l-2
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 23:05 GMT
#1042
zzzzzzzzzzz
Holyflare
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February 05 2014 23:59 GMT
#1045
I literally asked everyone to respond about what i asked prom a page ago and now you come back saying we should discuss prome? X_x
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 00:05 GMT
#1051
Why don't we get our second read to shoot artanis thus potentially confirming 2 ppl and we won't lose a contributor x_x
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 00:13 GMT
#1055
On February 06 2014 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
Why don't we get our second read to shoot artanis thus potentially confirming 2 ppl and we won't lose a contributor x_x

Our second read by nature WILL be a contributor. I also don't have a strong second read right now to suggest, so I'd rather just vote for scum.

Also <3 Artanis


Scum will shoot someone who we universally agree is town = dp. That will be useless and we lose dp our town read. If we shoot someone who is our second scummer and they shoot artanis then that's either 2 scum or 1 scum and 1 scummy looking person. I know which scenario I like better.
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 00:16 GMT
#1056
On February 06 2014 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 08:59 Holyflare wrote:
I literally asked everyone to respond about what i asked prom a page ago and now you come back saying we should discuss prome? X_x

Missed it.
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 05:50 Holyflare wrote:
can we get on with the game instead of arguing about semantics? what do you think of what I said here:

On February 06 2014 05:05 Holyflare wrote:
Why did you not do this when asked to by me/dp/rayn and was called out for it numerous times before? Why did you pull a whiney hissy fit about how rayn and me were riding dp's dick when you've come to the conclusion that both rayn and me must be scum (so then your hissy fit makes no sense). Why didn't you do this to prove them as towny before instead of posting your bad "meta feels" post?



Can you explain this to me a little actually? I'm kind of disjointed from this game now for similar reasons to Austin.


Prome returns to thread and throws his little tantrum of bla bla bla why are you all so buddy buddy, dp/rayn/holy BS. If me and rayn are his scum reads then that would not be his reaction at all. We asked him several times what his reasoning for calling everyone town was. He only responded to dp about "meta reads only" in a terrible fashion. It's not till votes start coming in his direction and he starts to martyr that he now tries to elaborate those reads using posts in the game.

Why didn't he just do this in the first place? Why did he throw a tantrum?
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 02:43 GMT
#1058
get prome to shoot artanis... -2 scum
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February 06 2014 06:05 GMT
#1059
##unvote
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 18:21 GMT
#1139
On February 05 2014 05:15 LSB wrote:
I actually read (part) of the thread of the game I'm replacing in. Improvements are small

On February 05 2014 05:24 LSB wrote:
Yeah I don't get the artanis is scum because he is not taking the game seriously meta. If anything it puts more townie points for me.

Artanis is quite capable of taking the game seriously and acting like one of the most townie player in the game as scum. I would be more concerned if he was an active townie than the lurker that he is right now

On February 05 2014 05:41 LSB wrote:
After reading the game I think I'm inclined to take Artanis's mafia claim as serious.






On February 05 2014 06:20 LSB wrote:

Also, especially in this format I am very worried about tying two people together especially if they seem to think the other is mafia, and he has been doing that with DP/HF

On February 06 2014 05:50 LSB wrote:
I think it is cause it is an invite only game. Usually they turn out horrible with a few exceptions

Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 03:36 Promethelax wrote:
So Ceph/LSB if you would do me the kindness of looking into the DP/rayn dichotomy I would be very pleased. I happen to agree with Ceph that no more than one of them can be scum and I have obviously drawn my own conclusions on that. You should be able to post reads on those two players at least to some degree.

Uhh... I thought I explained why expressing people in an dichotomy and trying to make them at odds with each other is incredibly anti-town. The fact that you are encouraging people to do this add more points to my scumdar



##Vote LSB
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February 06 2014 18:23 GMT
#1140
ignore last 2 quotes x_x
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February 06 2014 18:31 GMT
#1142
You say that you have read the game and you give +town points to artanis then you say you have read and say you would believe that artanis is mafia then you say right after that

On February 05 2014 05:58 LSB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2014 05:43 Holyflare wrote:
On February 05 2014 05:24 LSB wrote:
Yeah I don't get the artanis is scum because he is not taking the game seriously meta. If anything it puts more townie points for me.

Artanis is quite capable of taking the game seriously and acting like one of the most townie player in the game as scum. I would be more concerned if he was an active townie than the lurker that he is right now

On February 05 2014 05:41 LSB wrote:
After reading the game I think I'm inclined to take Artanis's mafia claim as serious.


what the actual fuck man?

I think your meta read of him is off. After looking back at some of Artanis's previous games he can take things for fun even if he is town. However I don't want to dismiss the fact that he might be mafia considering he just claimed mafia as mafia.

As for an actual read, he hasn't posted anything substantial yet so I will classify him as a lurker.


"nah just lurker for now"

that back on forth on someone who had posted no new information in the time you were switching your reads makes no sense
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 18:58 GMT
#1144
you didn't switch you said he was towny then you said he was mafia when consensus was on you then you read his games and just called him lurker instead
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 19:36 GMT
#1147
On February 07 2014 02:16 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 11:43 Holyflare wrote:
get prome to shoot artanis... -2 scum

This is interesting.


totes interesting bro, I thought they were both like 100% scum
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February 06 2014 20:39 GMT
#1150
well artanis was obvious and based on all the cases I made on prome I thought/think he was too (never expected him to actually shoot artanis) so the -2 scum (with the ....) was sarcastic because i didn't think it would happen.
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 20:55 GMT
#1154
On February 07 2014 05:44 marvellosity wrote:
why didn't you take into account that I didn't think Prome was mafia, given I probably know him best out of any player in this game?



because ego bro
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 20:56 GMT
#1156
+i haven't really looked into you properly hence why i haven't mentioned you at all
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 20:58 GMT
#1158
On February 07 2014 05:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
That's not why you're scum


huh?
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 20:59 GMT
#1161
literally confused by what you just said?
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:10 GMT
#1168
On February 07 2014 06:01 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 05:56 Holyflare wrote:
+i haven't really looked into you properly hence why i haven't mentioned you at all

given i've been a massive topic of conversation, that seems pretty... remiss.

Also my play isn't really something you need to "look into". My play is obvious, it's not something you need a fine toothcomb to work out.


if i thought i found 2 scum why would i need to look into another at that moment
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February 06 2014 21:12 GMT
#1170
On February 07 2014 06:02 marvellosity wrote:
Same thing you did with Artanis, funnily enough Holy.

Just... didn't get round to looking at him until he was really obvious, confirmed mafia.....


right, i thought artanis was not worth looking into until he came back, he came back and posted cute pictures, why would i need to look into that any further?
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:13 GMT
#1171
On February 07 2014 06:12 marvellosity wrote:
kinda missing the 2nd line there buddy.


i thought you were town at the start, then you started the whole thing with dp all over again so i got bad feels because you should know better but i havent looked into it in depth
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:28 GMT
#1177
On February 07 2014 06:14 marvellosity wrote:
Like I said, you don't have to look in depth at my play.

Why don't you do that if that's what you need to do?

P.S. LSB is town, just like Prome was.


the only information we have is that artanis is scum, LSB's stance on artanis is ridiculously back and forth and it doesn't make sense
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:31 GMT
#1180
On February 07 2014 06:31 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 06:28 Holyflare wrote:
On February 07 2014 06:14 marvellosity wrote:
Like I said, you don't have to look in depth at my play.

Why don't you do that if that's what you need to do?

P.S. LSB is town, just like Prome was.


the only information we have is that artanis is scum, LSB's stance on artanis is ridiculously back and forth and it doesn't make sense

Right, and mafia would know Artanis was mafia and not make such a dumb spectacle of himself.

Plus iamp was super town and LSB is playing too dumb to be scum.


but it was before he came back and made it super obvious with pictures
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:33 GMT
#1182
i dunno how dumb lsb is :o
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:34 GMT
#1184
so is rayn (and for some reason me) your scum reads for now then?
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:34 GMT
#1186
no i literally cba to play because it stopped being fun after insults were flying around so now i'm in super cba post whatever comes to mind mode because investing time into this game was a waste
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:35 GMT
#1188
because i dont know your alignment like i just said
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:36 GMT
#1190
then lynch me.....?
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:39 GMT
#1192
just tell me why you'd state that emotions flaring are the most anti-town and pro-mafia thing that you can do around the dp/me scenario and then do it all over again? what's the point if you are town?
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:41 GMT
#1194
kind of really want to shoot wave right now
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:42 GMT
#1196
i just want to shoot someone lynch meeeeeee
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:45 GMT
#1202
On February 07 2014 06:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
So holy I'm scum then I'm not, now I am again?
LSB not even gonna bother with you, though I think marvs faith in you/iamp may have beeb misplaced.


like i said i dont care but feels is not a valid strategy as town and it's grating on me you should stop doing it if you are town
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:46 GMT
#1204
even if it's 2 unconfirmed town and 1 scum at the end it's still a 50% chance shot if you get lynched and by then it should be obvious
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:49 GMT
#1206
urgh let me read rayn again
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:52 GMT
#1210
im pretty sure dp is better to keep at lylo
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:54 GMT
#1213
dp has linked so much shit that makes me town i have no idea why anyone is thinking i'm scum ~_~
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:55 GMT
#1215
cephiro has been on voice chat all day by the way, has no investment in this game and all his reads = nothing
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:55 GMT
#1216
On February 07 2014 06:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 03:09 LSB wrote:
Marv is town so I don't wana kill him. I'd rather lynch Rayn than have Marv shoot Rayn.

Though preferably I'd want to lynch WoS

Hey Holy, if you don't like feels-based reads or stuff without reasoning, care to have a look at what LSB is doing? Or does that not matter to you?


where is my vote right now
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:57 GMT
#1219
On February 07 2014 06:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 06:54 Holyflare wrote:
dp has linked so much shit that makes me town i have no idea why anyone is thinking i'm scum ~_~

lolwut
I found one thing in his filter.
One.
Show nested quote +

On February 05 2014 03:28 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +


This is also why I think prome is actually scum. He keeps harping on with rhetoric about "the heart of the thread is towny guys!" and "I love you allllllllllll let's lynch dem lurkers scummers!!!!!" yet, he isn't actively determining whether his town reads are correct. He has lumped 5 players into one category and perpetuates more about Cephiro (even if his posts are awful) rather than trying to interact with other people and see if he needs to second guess himself.


Good. this is exactly right. His town reads come from nowhere are really strong and when asked to explain them he basically doesn't or can't

Town points for HF.


then you haven't read his filter
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 21:59 GMT
#1223
On February 07 2014 06:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 06:55 Holyflare wrote:
On February 07 2014 06:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 07 2014 03:09 LSB wrote:
Marv is town so I don't wana kill him. I'd rather lynch Rayn than have Marv shoot Rayn.

Though preferably I'd want to lynch WoS

Hey Holy, if you don't like feels-based reads or stuff without reasoning, care to have a look at what LSB is doing? Or does that not matter to you?


where is my vote right now

Ahh too true, so it is.
So is your ideal day lynch LSB to shoot me?


not really, cephiro is also very annoying to me at this point/when he was around
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 22:00 GMT
#1224
On February 07 2014 06:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 06:57 Holyflare wrote:
On February 07 2014 06:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 07 2014 06:54 Holyflare wrote:
dp has linked so much shit that makes me town i have no idea why anyone is thinking i'm scum ~_~

lolwut
I found one thing in his filter.
One.

On February 05 2014 03:28 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +


This is also why I think prome is actually scum. He keeps harping on with rhetoric about "the heart of the thread is towny guys!" and "I love you allllllllllll let's lynch dem lurkers scummers!!!!!" yet, he isn't actively determining whether his town reads are correct. He has lumped 5 players into one category and perpetuates more about Cephiro (even if his posts are awful) rather than trying to interact with other people and see if he needs to second guess himself.


Good. this is exactly right. His town reads come from nowhere are really strong and when asked to explain them he basically doesn't or can't

Town points for HF.


then you haven't read his filter

Show me then.
Also lol LSBplans.
I don't know why you bother sometimes LSB although I'll only speak for myself and say that I won't be following anything you come up with.


the post you quoted that from has like 3 other parts where he points out what i said as town, a couple of posts after that long post has another post quoting something i said from a townie prospective, the rest of his filter has more too
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 22:06 GMT
#1229
wait wait waveeeee i need to ask you something 2 secs
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 22:14 GMT
#1231
urgh it's just your whole stance on artanis bugs me
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 22:14 GMT
#1232
like a bussing stance kind of bug
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 22:15 GMT
#1233
"I found no evidence in meta why artanis is scum but i dont care i'll keep voting him"
"I don't really have a second read to lynch so we can shoot artanis"
"just gonna keep on artanis even though he didn't reply yet"

dem feels
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 22:16 GMT
#1234
but as soon as artanis/prome die then i'm your target, if you didn't really have a second read at that point how can you have one now?
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 22:56 GMT
#1239
On February 07 2014 07:44 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 06:55 Holyflare wrote:
cephiro has been on voice chat all day by the way, has no investment in this game and all his reads = nothing


When I play voice, I play voice. -_- I've been there for 2 hours or so when I played games. Problem?


My problem is how you have contributed nothing and maintain that you are "changing your playstyle" when all i see is you doing nothing and if you are making a plan/trap then you haven't changed your playstyle at all so that would also be a waste of time.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 06 2014 23:03 GMT
#1242
On February 07 2014 07:59 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 07:56 Holyflare wrote:
On February 07 2014 07:44 Cephiro wrote:
On February 07 2014 06:55 Holyflare wrote:
cephiro has been on voice chat all day by the way, has no investment in this game and all his reads = nothing


When I play voice, I play voice. -_- I've been there for 2 hours or so when I played games. Problem?


My problem is how you have contributed nothing and maintain that you are "changing your playstyle" when all i see is you doing nothing and if you are making a plan/trap then you haven't changed your playstyle at all so that would also be a waste of time.


And where I have claimed I am making a plan / trap? There are a few things one could try in a setup like this, but not really worth it, especially given the players around currently. I like how focused you are on my claim of changing my playstyle. I told why I am playing differently once, yet you keep going on about it like I would've been bringing it up all the time, which is absolutely not the case.

wtf nonsense are you spouting

you
have
no
reads

you
haven't
helped
us
lynch
scum


you
lurk
like
crazy




the only conclusion i can come to is that you don't care about the game OR are making a plan, if you aren't making a plan then you don't care about the game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 06 2014 23:05 GMT
#1243
if you don't provide these things we can't come to real conclusions about your alignment so you will always be an outlier to all of us and that is a mistake to bring to end game
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 06 2014 23:09 GMT
#1245
that's not a read that's saying "lsb is doing the wrong policy", why would scum be more likely to do that than town? What information do we gather if lsb is scum, what if he's town?




answering questions doesn't mean anything because anyone has a brain and can respond to QUESTIONS, you should be giving us questions and stuff for us to respond TO
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 06 2014 23:14 GMT
#1246
like... we didn't even vote for artanis? we voted for promethelax and HE shot artanis
Holyflare
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February 06 2014 23:23 GMT
#1250
If someone asked me specific questions which led to me to believe you were asking questions to form opinions and make assumptions and reads on based on my responses and then they demonstrated that later on in the thread, then that is a towny mindset. If someone sits back and only responds to questions, they look a lot worse because they aren't showing their thought processes or looking like they want to solve the game (what you are doing).
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 06 2014 23:39 GMT
#1259
Is a thought process a town only trend?

And since this is what you seem to want, I'll give it a go.

Who do you want to keep alive until lategame?

Who do you want to be lynched and why?

Who do you want to be shot and why?


this is not what i meant, you don't really get thoughts from these questions -.-


I want DP and me alive at end game at least. I am pretty confident dp is town.

I do not know about lynches or shots yet. I have people I think are scummy (lsb to an extent based on what i've said although i liked iamp at the start and i liked lsb's scenario thing (that he wanted him and marv at the end so will probably unvote him soon), you most definitely and wave although will need to read these people some more to get firm grasps on things, not read marv so much but his response to the shitting up the thread thing i liked and that was my only qualm with him at that point)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 06 2014 23:57 GMT
#1266
On February 07 2014 08:55 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 08:39 Holyflare wrote:
Is a thought process a town only trend?

And since this is what you seem to want, I'll give it a go.

Who do you want to keep alive until lategame?

Who do you want to be lynched and why?

Who do you want to be shot and why?


this is not what i meant, you don't really get thoughts from these questions -.-


I want DP and me alive at end game at least. I am pretty confident dp is town.

I do not know about lynches or shots yet. I have people I think are scummy (lsb to an extent based on what i've said although i liked iamp at the start and i liked lsb's scenario thing (that he wanted him and marv at the end so will probably unvote him soon), you most definitely and wave although will need to read these people some more to get firm grasps on things, not read marv so much but his response to the shitting up the thread thing i liked and that was my only qualm with him at that point)


You call me down for not having "reads". And what if this bullshit of yours? Hardly any more "thought process" than what I posted. I can't believe you're serious about asking me those questions earlier and this is how you reply to me? Also, what does keeping your vote on a player that you don't want it to be on do? Why not just take it off now? I could just as well call this post of yours fluffy bullshit as you are calling down upon everything I post.

Now how about you think about the things you've said to me, and reflect upon your own play. Then get serious about sharing this thought process of yours, or at least not undermining the effort of others.


and this is why you fell into MY trap. I have poured out reason upon reason for all of my votes this entire game, this just shows you have not read
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30774 Posts
February 07 2014 00:52 GMT
#1380
On February 07 2014 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 09:38 LSB wrote:
Why do you guys care about ending cycles early? Day 3 can be 2 fucking weeks long if you need the time.

Who said we're ending the cycle early?

@marv - Sorry buddeh, I'm much more idgaf this game in regards to what I spout into thread. Usually I try to curb the stupidity at least a little. If I'm right about HF I may hang on to this style for a while (even though it may not seem like it to anyone else that I figured him out).


you're wrong so drop it because it's useless
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 07 2014 01:23 GMT
#1441
##Vote holyflare

shooting cephiro, winning game
Holyflare
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February 07 2014 01:23 GMT
#1445
he said "i'm stopping him evolving his play" even though i'm literally telling him what to do to prove townieness to me, same about lsb

if he's town i'll eat my shoe on stream
Holyflare
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February 07 2014 01:26 GMT
#1454
I'm hammered right?
Holyflare
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February 07 2014 02:03 GMT
#1458
##Shoot WaveOfShadow
Holyflare
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February 07 2014 02:40 GMT
#1473
YES
Holyflare
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February 07 2014 02:41 GMT
#1474
dp that was terrible wtf
Holyflare
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February 07 2014 02:43 GMT
#1477
On February 07 2014 11:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 11:25 LSB wrote:
All I ask of you is to go over day 2 again and convince yourself that I am town


What? why would I do that. You need to convince me that you are town.

You are talking about how you would of shot rayn which are empty words. That does not make you town. That does not make you anything.

Anyway I want to know what cephiro thinks. If anyone puts down I vote I will be furious.



??????????????????????????
Holyflare
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February 07 2014 02:45 GMT
#1481
you woulda won if you didn't hammer him???
Holyflare
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February 07 2014 02:47 GMT
#1486
On February 04 2014 09:05 Holyflare wrote:
Now, this is the guy I want to draw your attention to. Notice his first post:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 08:51 DarthPunk wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:23 marvellosity wrote:
On February 04 2014 08:19 WaveofShadow wrote:
So close.
I was so damn close, and then reroll.

Anyway, ##vote: marv 'cause policy. We can't have someone of your apparent unlynchability running around these parts so it will be my job to draw any and all attention to you as necessary.

Given this is a vengeful game, this is probably the stupidest thing you could possibly have written. Every single person that gets lynched can shoot me if they so please.


I have to admit. The VERY first thing I thought of when I heard you were playing was just shooting you for the fun of it.


Now, compare this with every first post in games where he has been scum.
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 10:12 DarthPunk wrote:
LOL. Just read the day post.

##Vote: Marvellosity


Show nested quote +
On September 04 2012 08:44 DarthPunk wrote:
Things seem to have progressed quickly. I thought I would post to let you guys know I had popped into the thread. I look forward to playing with you all. (especially my XXIV alum.)

Show nested quote +
On July 27 2012 09:25 DarthPunk wrote:
Hi Guys! Very excited to finally be playing. I slept in, so at the moment it is ~10:20 my time which is AEST if you ever want to check.
The deadlines are at 6am my time so I will probably be inactive for a few hours after each and before because I will be asleep.
Depending on the situation beforehand I can/will stay up for them but I really don't want that to be a regular thing.
OK now that is out of the way I am going to go back and actually read what has happened in the thread since I went to sleep LOL.

GLHF

<3<3<3.


Show nested quote +
On November 01 2012 12:16 DarthPunk wrote:
Sup Guys. Just caught up with the thread. So I have a town read on Kush, Unless he has put a great deal of effort into shifting his meta he is playing his town meta this game. So unless something drastic changes I guess that this is the first time I will not be gunning for you buddy. ^_^

If you are a miller you should claim. But I will be wary of such a claim as there have been times in the past in which an uncontested miller claim day one has sealed the win for scum. So we should exercise our judgement on such claims rather than put blind faith on their townieness.

From my first read through Release is looking suspicious. Firstly he is tunnelling townie kush, although he may be unaware of kush's meta he has a scum read over something which is at worst a null tell.
Secondly his posting feels off somehow this post in particular is scummy as shit.

On November 01 2012 11:20 Release wrote:
Do not use this post later to claim that i am shifting attention off myself. I acknowledge that I am under suspicion.

So in the flurry of comment regarding the claiming, we seem to have dismissed the possibility of enacting a Lynch-all-liars policy. The main con i see if we do enact it is that we can't pull use fishing for reactions as freely. The main pro, however, is that people can't claim to be fishing for reactions. Another consequence is that more information is in the thread. Both town and mafia know more about true intentions and can react accordingly.

Personally, i am against such a policy because people can very easily say "i changed my mind" and blame/vindication will tend to be imposed base on a town/scum flip.


So after acknowledging that this post is a distraction from the suspicions on himself he attempts to create a tangent discussion on policy. And he proposes a lynch all liars policy that he talks about for a good deal and then decides he is against?

It was fluffy and served to distract the thread from pursuing him. Claiming that you are not doing that does not cause it to be untrue, rather it speaks as if he was guilty of doing EXACTLY THAT.

Show nested quote +
On June 21 2013 12:54 DarthPunk wrote:
LOL you guys are so silly. Only person I would want to lynch is oats for wanting to lynch cora.

Show nested quote +
On March 14 2013 23:23 DarthPunk wrote:
Hi Guys <3

I haven't read the thread at all so I am going to go start doing that.



The meta evidence is incredibly overwhelming, look at the super similarities between each opening post and this one here! Conclusive evidence that DP is in fact playing to his scum meta.

##Unvote
##Vote DarthPunk

+ Show Spoiler +
you don't even need to check his town game openers, that would just be overkill at this point




No wonder he got so angry. Meta too gud.
Holyflare
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February 07 2014 02:49 GMT
#1491
On February 07 2014 11:48 Aquanim wrote:
Like, in all seriousness, why would any townie kill themselves when there is only one scum left... you can just lynch the scum...


if someone hammered him without discussion after saying not to put a vote down, they are scum
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 07 2014 02:52 GMT
#1501
On February 07 2014 11:50 Aquanim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 11:49 Holyflare wrote:
On February 07 2014 11:48 Aquanim wrote:
Like, in all seriousness, why would any townie kill themselves when there is only one scum left... you can just lynch the scum...


if someone hammered him without discussion after saying not to put a vote down, they are scum

Yeah OK that is a fair point.

What I don't understand is why you lynched yourself...


because i lost all motivation to play because the game got really shitty for me and i wanted to shoot someone and get to the end game with lsb there
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 07 2014 02:53 GMT
#1503
(or end it with wave)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
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February 07 2014 10:49 GMT
#1572
I quit the game because everyone was being ridiculous. Wave had feels, cephiro had...?, marv was a dick at one point, prome was an asshole, dp just rage quit Everytime people got out of hand, artanis wasn't even playing lsb actually did pretty well after a shitty start and rayn was too pansy.
Holyflare
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Last Edited: 2014-02-07 19:43:40
February 07 2014 19:05 GMT
#1588
meh
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