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On February 05 2014 16:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 16:38 DarthPunk wrote:On February 05 2014 16:26 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 05 2014 16:17 DarthPunk wrote:On February 05 2014 16:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 05 2014 16:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Rayn did tell me before the game started he was trying a different style this game. I remember that, hence be not jumping all over him for it constantly, but the fact remains, whatever new 'style' he is choosing he hasn't bothered to push anyone today and much of his posting doesn't accomplish much. If that's his new style, I don't see what he's attempting to accomplish with it. I you knew that then what the fuck are the bolded? On February 05 2014 15:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
All I've said about you all game is you haven't given me townrayn feels, and the fact that it seems to me you haven't done anything particularly useful today is getting to me.
It still feels that way to me. You're not even being a fraction as aggressive as you normally are, I don't sense a purpose to any of your posts and you haven't pushed anybody all day.
But go ahead, prove me wrong, I look forward to it.
Like those are pure meta arguments on someone whom you KNEW from before the game was going to try a different style. The other parts, Rayn not pushing people, or not having a purpose to his posts is also not true. He has pushed people and his posts read to me like he was trying to figure out the game. That post makes zero sense without the meta and you just admitted you knew rayn was trying something different so the question becomes A.) why are you trying to use meta that you know to be invalid when casting suspicon on rayn without actually calling him mafia B.) stating he is not doing anything when I have just read the thread in detail and got a town read on rayn precisely because of what he WAS doing and saying. Is rayn town or scum wave? because it seems like you are trying to cast him as scummy without saying he is scum. And THAT is scummy. I remember it because yo had just mentioned it, hence me backing off on the aggressiveness point. I don't know if rayn is town or scum, but I was and still am suspicious of him because of his posting today. I don't care that my findings are different from yours with regards to him. The point of him 'attempting a new style' makes me take it down slightly, but feels are feels, and that's what I'm doing this game. I'll be attempting to interact with him more throughout the day as he is right about that as per his earlier point to do a better job of figuring him out. DP am I town or scum? I am trying to figure that out right now wave. Right now, I have no clue. You have done townie things that look hella townie. Like the last post where you say you don't care what people think and you will scum hunt in your way so GTFO. I really liked that. Also being able to understand that promes reads are all mostly smoke and mirrors and that he actuially doesn;t say anything in those gigantic posts of his 'reads' But your rayn read and the specific reasons for it are so off, it's almost like you haven't read the thread or are keeping your lynch options open or something. Rayn what do you think? Specifically for his recent posts. My lynch options aren't 'open,' I have not said at any point I would lynch Rayn today, nor do I ever think I have hinted towards it. If you're ok with me scumhunting in my own way, then it shouldn't matter to you that my reads are 'off.' If by 'off' you mean 'wrong,' that's not scummy. If by 'off' you mean that they are not good reasons and the manner in which I have come about them doesn't make you feel good, then you have contradicted yourself in saying that you are ok with me scumhunting in my own way. I believe I have made my stance on rayn as clear as it's going to be for the moment, likely until more happens in thread/tomorrow.
No wave. I liked that you SAID would scum-hunt in your own way and that you told everyone to fuck off. But if you actually are town and the way in which you scum hunt makes no fucking sense at all and makes me think you are mafia then that is not ok obviously.
Like why would you take something like that and twist it into something ridiculous. It makes no fucking sense that I would mean that or that you actually believe what you just wrote.
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On February 05 2014 16:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I was being mad at people calling me scum for some bullshit "feels" and because of "marvs sentiment" which is fucking bullshit because i have already answered his case and he keeps posting stupid shit, wants people to discuss me and the instant someone disagrees with his read on me he goes silent and does not bring the issue up again and just goes back to his stupid list. Still never called you scum. STILL. You either think I'm scum for being suspicious of you for NOT calling you scum, or because it's OMGUS-y and you don't like that I'm suspicious of you in the first place, Rayn. Which is it? I also don't like the fact that a bunch that I don't like about your play this game is so conveniently explained away by 'different style, bro.' If I recall correctly you're not really the time to go strictly on OMGUS, yet you have problems with me and marv.
He said that he was using a different style before roles were assigned wave. Don't be dumb. Like, using a different style can be disorientating, especially when people rely on meta so heavily on this site. But it does happen. I mislynched Z - Boson because his style changed and it felt really weird. He was town. Basically just look at his posts objectively and try and throw rayns meta out the window.
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On February 05 2014 17:00 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 16:53 DarthPunk wrote:On February 05 2014 16:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 05 2014 16:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I was being mad at people calling me scum for some bullshit "feels" and because of "marvs sentiment" which is fucking bullshit because i have already answered his case and he keeps posting stupid shit, wants people to discuss me and the instant someone disagrees with his read on me he goes silent and does not bring the issue up again and just goes back to his stupid list. Still never called you scum. STILL. You either think I'm scum for being suspicious of you for NOT calling you scum, or because it's OMGUS-y and you don't like that I'm suspicious of you in the first place, Rayn. Which is it? I also don't like the fact that a bunch that I don't like about your play this game is so conveniently explained away by 'different style, bro.' If I recall correctly you're not really the time to go strictly on OMGUS, yet you have problems with me and marv. He said that he was using a different style before roles were assigned wave. Don't be dumb. Like, using a different style can be disorientating, especially when people rely on meta so heavily on this site. But it does happen. I mislynched Z - Boson because his style changed and it felt really weird. He was town. Basically just look at his posts objectively and try and throw rayns meta out the window. I know that, but if he rolled scum it's a perfect alibi. I am well aware he said it pregame, it doesn't mean I like it. I'm trying a highly 'feels-based' style this game if it hasn't been obvious to people (hint---it has) and people don't like that much better. I guess the difference is I didn't talk about it pregame, but I'm sick of making outside excuses for myself, RL or otherwise (especially RL regarding activity---I can always do that but I've been opting not to).If people are going to make reads on me I'd rather attempt to keep them within the confines of the game and specifically regarding 'feels' this game I'm treating it like voice in that I'm not going to care much if people don't like it. Difference here is I can't exactly shout people down because I 'know' I'm right, and I'm a lot less confident about it than on voice, because forum is massively different.
What has that got to do with calling rayn out for something he said pre game and pre alignment?
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On February 05 2014 17:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hmm.. So apparetly everyone in this game (barring Cephiro?) thinks Artanis is mafia.
So if he is mafia he is being bussed.
I don't think artanis thinks artanis is mafia. Hue.
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On February 05 2014 17:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am trying to figure out what to make out of Prome's statements on Artanis throughout the game in every scenario but it's so hard because nothing makes sense..
He is scum that is why nothing he says makes sense.
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On February 05 2014 17:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like the only reasoning for marv's reads that are not me or Artanis EVER in this game is "because other people look worse". This doesn't even make sense because the reasoning for me being mafia is so very shit.
Yeah, that is true.
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On February 05 2014 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Wave looks better after the last arguments between me and him. I can get where he is coming from if he is town. I still disagree with feel based reads, i mean, i know i read people based on feels (but only Vayne and Koshi) but if you do so that's not the only thing you should do as that does not qualify as a reasoning and it's an easy way for scum to hide (not to post any real reasoning for your reads).
Especially in this setup it's really good for mafia because if you just convince a couple of (strong/vocal) townies, you are unlikely to get lynched/shot because strong/vocal townies "decide" the lynch as they usually drive the discussion and are listened to. So buddy buddy and you get a pass because your read is not "wrong" (as you give a town meta read on a townie).
That's also why i think Prome and marv can't both be mafia, as it makes no sense to me for Prome to buddy up to his scumbuddy based on shit meta reasons. So kill Artanis/Prome and make them shoot each other, that's where i am atm.
Me too. Let's be super town friends!~
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On February 05 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:I'll be your super town friend DarthPunk.  Let's win this game. marv can join too if he is town.
I'll get back to you on the last part <3
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On February 05 2014 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also wanting the phase to last no more than 48h is stupid. This game can be solved on D1 and hurrying up the lynch because "bored" or some other shit is just dumb. Also Cephiro needs to talk.
Kind of hilarious you are saying that after Extractor trick. hue. 
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On February 05 2014 18:17 Holyflare wrote:
Don't include me then
Happy to, you are one of my top two town reads after all!
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On February 05 2014 18:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 18:21 DarthPunk wrote:On February 05 2014 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also wanting the phase to last no more than 48h is stupid. This game can be solved on D1 and hurrying up the lynch because "bored" or some other shit is just dumb. Also Cephiro needs to talk. Kind of hilarious you are saying that after Extractor trick. hue. And that game is exactly why i am saying that. I was retarded in that game.
LEL. :D
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On February 05 2014 18:29 Holyflare wrote:Gotta stay awake for a delivery zzzzzz
Do you sleep all day and stay awake all night?
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On February 05 2014 18:52 Holyflare wrote:
Zzzzzz i trolled dp for one post. You REALLY haven't read the thread.
I disagree completely with that statement. but let's not bring it up again.
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Ok so we wanted to lynch?/shoot? ceph because he was afk right? so now he is not afk and he is making some good posts. Let's just give him some room to operate, make some cases etc.
Not like we are in any hurry to lynch someone.
@ holyflare, Stop being so defensive, he didn't even call you scum, no point shitting on him as soon as he starts playing just because he didn't call you townie town town. Don't be marv.
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OK marv is here and is already shitting the thread up. Time to leave and make dinner and relax etc. BYE!
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On February 05 2014 19:23 marvellosity wrote:
Shitting the thread up?
Please never play in games with me ever again, DP, you hypocritical asshole.
Case in point. Bye!
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On February 04 2014 11:09 marvellosity wrote:
The absolute best thing for mafia in this sort of game is to have townies riled up and wanting to take vengeful shots. Ironically.
Mafia have much less space to hide in if people are rational and aren't self-hammering just so they can shoot the person that can piss them off.
Anyone should be able to see that that is absolutely the best thing for mafia. Worst thing for mafia = everyone being rational so they can't take funky shots if they're lynched under the guise of emotion or having a laugh.
Marv is scum. He has worked against what he said he considered is the best thing for town since page 2 of his filter. Want proof read page 2 onwards.
Makes no fucking sense that he outlines what is best for mafia and then does exactly that.
Also he is pushing rayn based on nothing who is like blates town.
Not going to argue with him about it because he is going to say the same old shit in his defense in which he doesn't actually say anything.
And to be honest my interactions with marv have been toxic and judging from the way he entered the thread they will continue to be even though I made a genuine effort to be constructive today.
k, out for reals.
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On February 05 2014 21:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh you guys essentially went over this.
As much as it sucks, I believe marv is right at least that at this point, it probably should be understood that he is town, and yet he IS creating an anti-town atmosphere.
Rayn in this scenario I see only two possibilities: either he is right and you're scum for calling him scum here and not realizing why you're wrong, or you're both town. Its basically impossible for marv to be scum right now.
Nope rayn is not wrong wave. good scum players do not play to their 'scum meta.' He is shitting up the thread and bullying people for calling him scum that is not Town. I don;t see the point of town marv doing it, especially as he said not to do this on day one.
There is no reason to think he is town. Just because he has spammed that he is and shat on anyone who questioned it does not make it so. His basic reason that he says is town: 'Because I wouldn't do this as scum. ' which is bullshit and the exact reason to do this as scum.
I guarantee that scum marv could do this and then point to meta as the reason he can't be scum. That is the whole point of playing scum. To not look like you're scum meta. He is not going to play the same way as shadow this game as scum, he is just not.
So when people say 'meta' and 'shadow' as reasons he is not town I say no, that is not what good scum players do and even if you use meta this is not marv's town meta. Usually I enjoy playing with town marv. This game I am avoiding interacting with him at all.
I am not going to stand back and let town lose because people are too scared to call him out for legitimate reasons.
I agree with you on ceph he is making sense, won't let himself be bullied and is pretty townie looking from what he posted.
I don;t want to lynch marv because he wants to shoot my top town read and a top town asset (funny that) and if rayn is alive He WILL catch scum.
So yeah. We should lynch artanis and ask him to shoot marv.
Current scum reads:
Marv, prome, artanis
Artanis is more of a question mark than the other two. IMO.
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He gave IRL excuses for not being here. They could be true. Still want him to die but have I thought lurkers were scum before and they were just busy with life? Yes.
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On February 05 2014 23:44 Promethelax wrote:
Because you are not only bad but also self congratulatory. It gets really old really fast, you have been spouting bullshit this whole game and DP, WoS and HF are right in the thick of it with you. Since Art is scum at least two of the four in that group are town and that makes those two people incredibly bad. I have no desire to keep listening to people be both incredibly bad and full of themselves at the same time.
Lynch me so I can shoot scum and stop reading this game.
How has anyone but marv been full of themselves prome? link me to a post where we are all being self congratulatory? Cause I genuinely believe it doesn't exist.
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