EPTOn February 04 2014 19:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DarthPunk marv is not mafia.
DarthPunk marv is not mafia.
How do you figure?
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On February 04 2014 19:54 marvellosity wrote: For someone accusing me of raging and vendetta, you're the one who's unable to play the game properly.  I was trying to play the game, then you shat all over me, rayn and the thread. And I'm frankly jack shit of it after holy trolled me all morning. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because he just is not. Do you think he would do this shit as mafia? This is like fucking begging to get shot. Yeah i don't buy that . Why would town marv who usually is a reasonable sort of fellow would do what he just did? Doesn't make any sense. It was not pro town. It did not facilitate any sort of discussion, basically he made two shitty votes with no reasoning and then went on an ego rampage all over the place. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:57 marvellosity wrote: DP, be a dear. Draw some parallels between my play this game and the other game where I was ridiculously easy to catch. Or am I playing a brand new style of mafia this game? I don't know what the fuck you are doing. I have never seen you do this as either alignment. Like you make shitty votes with no explanation as both alignments. You can be useless day one as both alignments. But man I have never seen you shit all over the thread like that before. It just makes no sense at all. | ||
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On February 04 2014 19:59 marvellosity wrote: Not my ego rampage dear. Just putting yours in its place. Wow. | ||
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On February 04 2014 20:01 marvellosity wrote: No, I almost never make throwaway votes as mafia actually. Try again. You did it in the shadow game. So. Yeah. (what I consider as a throwaway vote. I don't speak for you or your ego.) | ||
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On February 04 2014 20:04 marvellosity wrote: thing is, DP, you refuse to discuss rayn with me for no particular reason, even though I keep trying to bring him up. *shrug* Maybe because you were insulting me the entire time and being a dick about something from a previous game. Like I am a dick in games sure. But I don't bring personal shit from outside the actual game into it. You did and the game is not fun for me right now for that reason. Nor do I particularly want to interact with you right now for obvious reasons. So If someone else wants to talk to me about rayn that is fine. But I'm not going to talk to you about anything. | ||
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Also this post was incredibly pro town and seemed very genuine at the time. He is my number 1 town read so far. On February 05 2014 02:04 Promethelax wrote: marv is super obviously town. For meta reasons. Like what is the point of this post prome? You are calling marv town but super obvious for meta reasons does not explain anything about the read or your thought processes. What are the super obvious meta reasons. Which town games of his has he used those meta tells? Has he NEVER used those meta tells as scum? If you are going to base a read off of meta entirely then please explain so those of us who are not meta savant's can understand wtf you are talking about. On February 05 2014 02:10 marvellosity wrote: Bold and red don't really go together. Try again. This is a really good catch by marv. Really doesn't make sense. On February 05 2014 02:13 Promethelax wrote: He would do that because you, the person, annoy him. As is clear from his posts about you in various thread recent;y. In pregame didn't he say "oh great, another thread with DP talking bollocks in it" not word for word but that was the general idea and here you are talking bullocks about him being scum when anyone who knows how to read marv knows he is town right now. This is the towniest filter I've seen from marv when he was playing under his main. If you are allowed to unreasonably rage at people for not bowing to your whim about how they approach the game marv is also allowed to get mad at people for calling his scum play bad (i.e. easy to catch) and following that up by failing to find him town when he is obviously town. Yet he continued to say it wasn't personal. You are right though, it clearly was personal, but w/e it's in the past and if he wants to talk about how bad I am he can do it post game or PM me. Yet again you are calling marv obviously town but have given like zero reasons for it. Why is he super obviously town. Like I feel like you are just saying that because if you called him suspicious then he would shit on you for it or something. What are the reasons that marv is super obviously town? On February 05 2014 02:20 Promethelax wrote: There are three scum. I happen to think that marv/dp/iamp/wos are town as am I. So that leaves me with four players who could be scum and of them two have not posted. So I am pretty damn sure at least one of the two players who haven't posted are scum. I didn't spell it out earlier but it makes perfect sense. Why is this a hard concept to follow? No reasoning for any of these reads. Why is Iamp town? why is DP town? why is WoS town? if you are going to use PoE then you need to convince others beyond doubt on your town reads, but you have literally explained nothing. OK seems like rayn called you out on having town reads based on nothing. (more townie points for rayn) On February 05 2014 02:34 Promethelax wrote: I don't know that I could tell you the thing he would say word for word. In fact I know I could not say it. But his tone has been super town marv which it never was the last time. Was that question unnecessary? Probably. Do I have a read on marv which I believe is accurate? Yes. Was that question part of what helped me find my read on marv? Yes. Is your issue pointless? Yes. This still says nothing. Your entire explanation for your super obvious town read on marv is his 'tone' but you take a billion words to say it. If it is that hard to explain it really isn't super obvious is it? OK this On February 05 2014 02:32 Promethelax wrote: I read everything he posted and had found it not alignment indicative. Given that it was ~6 hours into d1 I figured I'd keep the guy I liked more and would wait for him to show up to have a chit chat with and see if I could read him. Not like I'm advocating a lynch of anyone RIGHT NOW. I'm advocating a lynch of one of these four dudes and placing pressure on the ones I know less well/have a harder time reading. I see no issue here, why do you? Makes sense. I have done similar things when people were calling goodkarma scum before. On February 05 2014 02:55 marvellosity wrote: Specifically this post. Paragraph 1: some explanation that means nothing. Fine, whatever. Paragraph 2: He finds Wave scummy maybe? Smelly? But it speaks in general terms "if a game" - not Wave's game,"a" game. Paragraph 3: he's "curious" why I find rayn scummy. Why is he curious? I explained clearly in my case on rayn and in followup posts precisely why I was suspicious of rayn. What does his curiosity of me mean for my alignment? He even says he likes one of my points on rayn, yet is curious. He follows up this point with a whole series of wishy washy posts about "point 2 and 3" of my case that he never quotes and eventually backs weirdly down from. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaakkkkkkkkk Yeah I agree with this. Artanis does seem different to very small mini. That is the only town game of his I have ever read though so I will probs go reads some more of his town reads to see. On February 05 2014 03:03 Promethelax wrote: marv. I doubt you'll listen to me on this but you should, DP doesn't need to be antagonized anymore. He is probably town and he is liable to explode due to rage. At the end of the game you can bring it up that DP does not know how to read you as town or scum and that is fine but it isn't doing anything to benefit this town here and now. DP doesn't need it. You don't need it. More importantly the thread really doesn't need it. Let DP calm down and just ignore him unless you actually need to call him scum, mmmkay? This is a good post and would make me think prome was townie but then On February 05 2014 02:13 Promethelax wrote: He would do that because you, the person, annoy him. As is clear from his posts about you in various thread recent;y. In pregame didn't he say "oh great, another thread with DP talking bollocks in it" not word for word but that was the general idea and here you are talking bullocks about him being scum when anyone who knows how to read marv knows he is town right now. This is the towniest filter I've seen from marv when he was playing under his main. If you are allowed to unreasonably rage at people for not bowing to your whim about how they approach the game marv is also allowed to get mad at people for calling his scum play bad (i.e. easy to catch) and following that up by failing to find him town when he is obviously town. It doesn't really seem genuine when he had just previously said something to further a shitfest that had clearly died. THAT is Fucking scummy as shit. He is making a contribution that doesn't provide reads, is easy to fake as scum, But MOST IMPORTANTLY does not gel with the narrative of what he has done. He just made a post that could easily have opened a can of worms that had been obviously closed, and then he takes the high road in order to preserve 'town atmosphere' or something. Doesn't make sense. On February 05 2014 03:28 Holyflare wrote: This is also why I think prome is actually scum. He keeps harping on with rhetoric about "the heart of the thread is towny guys!" and "I love you allllllllllll let's lynch dem Good. this is exactly right. His town reads come from nowhere are really strong and when asked to explain them he basically doesn't or can't Town points for HF. On February 05 2014 03:33 Promethelax wrote: Wave is pretty town actually. His vote doesn't matter that much. It's early game and I don't care where his vote is until it comes down to someone actually being lynched. So you agree with me/Marv/DP/iamperfection being town? Your only issue is with wave? Why??? On February 05 2014 03:37 Promethelax wrote: Reads 1. Prome, Marv 2. Iamp, wave, DP 3. Rayn 4. Art 5. HF, ceph These are not reads. If I read this post I see numbers and names but I don't know why they are there or how you arrived at your conclusions. On February 05 2014 04:00 Holyflare wrote: Your last 2 points on him about having wrong reasons are like quintessential any alignment rayn though he just calls people scum/town with no reason all the time. I liked the fact that he was trying to get you and DP to stop and actually start making cases because you were clogging up the thread with useless crap at that point, if he was mafia he'd perpetuate that or just sit back and let you get out of hand (something you even mentioned at the start would be great for scum). Yay! I agree with this toooo. Holyflare is town read number two. On February 05 2014 04:04 Holyflare wrote: Lists are dumb. Scummy people: Wave, Prome, Cephiro (haven't checked artanis enough to put him in any list yet) Towny: Me, marv, probably add DP in here too now (not totally convinced on iamp because I haven't ever played with him) Wat? lists are dumb, here is a list. That has to be intentional. Right? Right guys? Oh lsb replaced in. He basically said nothing. minus townie points. On February 05 2014 05:19 marvellosity wrote: 1.marv (2.LSB) 3.DP 4.Prome 5.Wave 6.Holy 7.Cephiro 8.rayn 9.Artanis Holy down two, LSB position sadly on hold. Damnit iamp. God what is with these dumb lists? at least I have some idea of why marvs' reads are where they are due to his other posts. On February 05 2014 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno. Maybe marv is mafia. I have never seen town!marv not read the thread properly, especially when he talks about his scumread. What? Don't call marv obviously town for no reason and then call him scummy again. That is fucking bullshit. If your can change that fast how was he obviously town in the first place? On February 05 2014 05:43 marvellosity wrote: I mean if you think Artanis is mafia then you have no grounds to be asking why I am "so bad" this game when the person I want to kill you also think is mafia. That is also odd. God I hope you actually are town this game rayn. On February 05 2014 05:59 Holyflare wrote: you favour promethelax the guy who says "all the guys who are posting must be town huehuehue" with no reasoning and no logic who wants to shoot into lurkers and he actually had a BIAS on who to shoot (cephiro) between the 2 lurkers and he is also the guy that DEFENDED your top scum read (artanis) by saying, no no he's a claimed scum lurker but i can read him - let's keep him in the game please. marv you aren't this bad Yeah, this is good. Holyflare is obviously town at this point. On February 05 2014 06:13 Promethelax wrote: Well poo to you. I'm heading out for a while. Do me the kindness of figuring out why lsb thinks wave is the best lynch please and thank you. Also please do filter dive me and bring your findings to the thread, I'm tired of HF finding me scummy for no reason and would prefer to talk to someone with a brain about how I appear in the thread. This is not what is happening there are very legitimate reasons for finding you scummy. You are giving out town reads from thin air with no justifcation and then when asked to justify them you still don't do it. that IS scummy. Sleep. | ||
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Regardless, from my read through I am confident that Prome is scum and artanis is likely scum as well. Cephiro is ? but a good lynch or shot for that reason. Marv is looking townier to me based on him saying sensible things and explaining things that he says when asked. Holyflare and Rayn totes town based on several things above but also generally having similar thoughts to me as I read the thread. Cool beans. I will be around for a bit if there are questions or w/e | ||
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On February 05 2014 15:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Show me one spot where I have called you scum. All I've said about you all game is you haven't given me townrayn feels, and the fact that it seems to me you haven't done anything particularly useful today is getting to me. It still feels that way to me. You're not even being a fraction as aggressive as you normally are, I don't sense a purpose to any of your posts and you haven't pushed anybody all day. But go ahead, prove me wrong, I look forward to it. What do you think of prome wave? | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:11 WaveofShadow wrote: I remember that, hence be not jumping all over him for it constantly, but the fact remains, whatever new 'style' he is choosing he hasn't bothered to push anyone today and much of his posting doesn't accomplish much. If that's his new style, I don't see what he's attempting to accomplish with it. I you knew that then what the fuck are the bolded? On February 05 2014 15:59 WaveofShadow wrote: All I've said about you all game is you haven't given me townrayn feels, and the fact that it seems to me you haven't done anything particularly useful today is getting to me. It still feels that way to me. You're not even being a fraction as aggressive as you normally are, I don't sense a purpose to any of your posts and you haven't pushed anybody all day. But go ahead, prove me wrong, I look forward to it. Like those are pure meta arguments on someone whom you KNEW from before the game was going to try a different style. The other parts, Rayn not pushing people, or not having a purpose to his posts is also not true. He has pushed people and his posts read to me like he was trying to figure out the game. That post makes zero sense without the meta and you just admitted you knew rayn was trying something different so the question becomes A.) why are you trying to use meta that you know to be invalid when casting suspicon on rayn without actually calling him mafia B.) stating he is not doing anything when I have just read the thread in detail and got a town read on rayn precisely because of what he WAS doing and saying. Is rayn town or scum wave? because it seems like you are trying to cast him as scummy without saying he is scum. And THAT is scummy. | ||
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On February 05 2014 13:21 Promethelax wrote: Im around for a bit but after last game I'm pretty bored of talking to people I read as townie who think I'm scum for bad reasons. In short the reasons for people being town: Marv: meta. His tone and interest are in direct contrast to his play as scum ever. I can't show it to you because it is present in every post. Either you believe that I know how to read Marv based on his tone or you don't. However, I can and because I value my reputation on this site I would never commit to a read this heavily unless I was sure. I am very sure. Cool. some bullshit about tone, actually zero reasons for his read And somehow he can't show me because it is present in every post of this this game. If it is meta show me the meta. Show me things he is doing this game that he doesn;t do in other games. Explain it. OH wait, you can't because you pulled the read from nothing an nowhere. And that stuff about your rep or whatever is meaningless. If you are scum like I think you are you would say 'of course I knew better I was just scum' Right. Absolutely no good reason to call marv town. Appeals to his 'rep' but can't provide one single concrete reason. Basically spending a lot of time saying nothing. On February 05 2014 13:21 Promethelax wrote: Wave: had some posts which read townie to me early on. I'm on a tablet so I can't quote. My memory suggest these had to do with his determination to watch Marv and his insistence of it in thread. Other people saw these as scummy but I liked them, they made sense from a townie who had misgivings about scum Marv in his past game but hadn't done anything to get him lynched. That was literally not a reason to call wave town at all. You were right people thought they were scummy because it was. And that is the only reason you give for a 'solid' townread. On February 05 2014 13:21 Promethelax wrote: Iamperfection: seemed really townie. He niggled in ways I liked during early game. I'm sad he replaced out since he was making sense and generally read as town. Lsb: has clearly thought about the set up from a town perspective. This gels with both my past experience with town lsb (PYPLOL) and my read of imp as town. Oh look this person is town because he seemed town. You keep coming back to that as justification but it is meaningless. What does 'he niggled in ways I liked' mean? can you provide examples of those niggles and explain why it makes him town. Using vague fucking terms to give town reads is not something town do. Town KNOW why they think people are town, ESPECIALLY if people are so confident that they are eliminating them from the mafia pool. Literally the setup speculation of LSB was not alignment indicative but at least you gave an actual reason on him. On February 05 2014 13:21 Promethelax wrote: DP: all the rage, it seems like genuine towniedp rage. DP plays a smart game of scum and screaming and kicking is a good way to get shot while at the same time ruining his chances of being listened to as a thread leader. Also I disagree with most/all of what he is saying which, counter-intuitively, makes him seem townie to me. In the past scum DP has tried to fit into thread and say similar things to townies and since he is not doing that I think he is town. At least you give a reason for me even if it is just the same reason everyone else has given.[/quote] On February 05 2014 13:21 Promethelax wrote: I have reasons DP. I just never bothered to write them out. There they are. I'm not going to repeat myself, I don't think there is a lot of value in answering you in a case on me. If you lynch me I'll happily shoot Artanis. I don't really care since I'm clearly town and you might listen to my reads after I shoot scum. I believe I've adequately explained my scum reads. If you disagree feel free to ask. you actual don't have reasons you just spent 4 paragraphs basically saying these people are town because they 'feel' town and they have 'niggled' you as town and 'META that is in every post but I can't point it out to you' and 'tone' and blah blah blah. Basically giving out town reads like this is really scummy. Town reads are easy to give out as scum because you don;t have to fake as much, it is easy calling townies town because you KNOW they are town. The problem is when you have been asked several times WHY and you still can't answer straightforwardly. My top scum read shooting my second scum read sounds fantastic to me ##vote: Promethelax | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:13 WaveofShadow wrote: His townread on me is weak, I'll give you that. Usually Prome is able to or at least attempts to come up with some fantastic meta reason as to why I'm town because he feels he understands me the best or we're both really similar or something like that, but not in this game? I've liked his interaction with a lot of people in the thread thus far (marv, holy) and I don't have any reason to pursue him today, though saying this makes me realize I haven't looked into him in much detail so at risk of running into a marv situation from last game, I will filterdive him tomorrow and have a look. ' Hmm. This is a good post wave. Why have you not mentioned it before if you felt like that? | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:26 WaveofShadow wrote: I remember it because yo had just mentioned it, hence me backing off on the aggressiveness point. I don't know if rayn is town or scum, but I was and still am suspicious of him because of his posting today. I don't care that my findings are different from yours with regards to him. The point of him 'attempting a new style' makes me take it down slightly, but feels are feels, and that's what I'm doing this game. I'll be attempting to interact with him more throughout the day as he is right about that as per his earlier point to do a better job of figuring him out. DP am I town or scum? I am trying to figure that out right now wave. Right now, I have no clue. You have done townie things that look hella townie. Like the last post where you say you don't care what people think and you will scum hunt in your way so GTFO. I really liked that. Also being able to understand that promes reads are all mostly smoke and mirrors and that he actuially doesn;t say anything in those gigantic posts of his 'reads' But your rayn read and the specific reasons for it are so off, it's almost like you haven't read the thread or are keeping your lynch options open or something. Rayn what do you think? Specifically for his recent posts. | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: DP what is your read on marv? Arsehole leaning town but I am bad at reading Marv historically. That he is right about. | ||
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On February 05 2014 16:39 WaveofShadow wrote: A reason for me to talk about it didn't come up between his latest townread post and now, and I haven't though about Prome much, as I said. Rayn, the bolded is incredibly defensive, and has absolutely nothing to do with what I said to you, whether about 'lies,' 'fishy reasoning,' or otherwise. If people want to talk about unnatural reactions to stuff in the game, there's one right there. I'm not sure I agree with that. There is much less reason than usual to defend yourself in this game. Like, if you get lynched you just shoot mafia anyway. Matyring is much less anti win con than normal. Like if you are town and you matyr: You A.) remove yourself from the list of suspects making things clearer for town, and B.) get to shoot your #1 scum read, who, if you are rayn will likely flip scum in your eyes. This setup is not standard and so things like that read really town to me. | ||
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