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@Wave: I see your point about the control. You're certainly correct in that, a majority of townies deciding the lynch as opposed to a single person taking the shot is better in that sense. The upside of this plan really comes down to whether or not you can trust a town player that gets lynched to take the shot as agreed upon or not. If not, then I admit that trying to lynch the assumed scum player might be a better play.
@LSB: In my first post I say you are the person I would like shot right now. That means you are the likeliest person in my books to flip scum. That does not mean I am sure that you are scum. Your pointing out of a false contradiction is thus clearly a lie. I told you several times I am not to rush things, I merely replied Wave to his questions, but you keep ignoring this point over and over again.
In my first post I do say that I would prefer marv or holy to be lynched in that case. I do not say that I mind taking the shot myself at all, which is how you are trying to misrepresent it for others right now. I am perfectly fine with taking the shot myself as well. The thing is, I'm not afraid to stay in game for more scumhunting either. If I feel confident I will be able to find the remaining scum, why shouldn't I leave the shot for a town player that I am unsure of? They might even end up being scum, and a scum lynch is exactly what you wanted, is it not?
Now, would you like to tell me why you are intentionally trying to twist my words all the time?
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On February 07 2014 08:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2014 08:55 Cephiro wrote:On February 07 2014 08:39 Holyflare wrote:Is a thought process a town only trend? And since this is what you seem to want, I'll give it a go.
Who do you want to keep alive until lategame?
Who do you want to be lynched and why?
Who do you want to be shot and why? this is not what i meant, you don't really get thoughts from these questions -.- I want DP and me alive at end game at least. I am pretty confident dp is town. I do not know about lynches or shots yet. I have people I think are scummy (lsb to an extent based on what i've said although i liked iamp at the start and i liked lsb's scenario thing (that he wanted him and marv at the end so will probably unvote him soon), you most definitely and wave although will need to read these people some more to get firm grasps on things, not read marv so much but his response to the shitting up the thread thing i liked and that was my only qualm with him at that point) You call me down for not having "reads". And what if this bullshit of yours? Hardly any more "thought process" than what I posted. I can't believe you're serious about asking me those questions earlier and this is how you reply to me? Also, what does keeping your vote on a player that you don't want it to be on do? Why not just take it off now? I could just as well call this post of yours fluffy bullshit as you are calling down upon everything I post. Now how about you think about the things you've said to me, and reflect upon your own play. Then get serious about sharing this thought process of yours, or at least not undermining the effort of others. and this is why you fell into MY trap. I have poured out reason upon reason for all of my votes this entire game, this just shows you have not read
.... You're a joke, Holyflare. I know you have better posts, however that is the worst excuse ever for not replying me properly. Why would you not reply properly to a person that you want to step up their game? At the moment you are just constantly calling my play bad, replying with even worse, and then going "LULZ, IT WAS A TRAP, I PLAYED GOOD EARLIER AND SINCE YOU CALL ME BAD NOW YOU MUST NOT HAVE READ THE THREAD".
Yeah, I'm just going to ignore you. That's just fucking bad play.
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@Wave: What do you currently think of the way LSB & Holyflare are currently pushing me / undermining my play / whatever you want to call it?
(I won't deny I haven't been the best contributer, but I don't see how the last few pages of discussion from me have not shown proper effort.)
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EBWOP @DP: That gif post was amazing. 
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@marv: Same question to you as to WoS. What do you think about the way LSB & Holyflare are replying to everything I post?
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@Wave: That sounds reasonable. The thing I'd like to point out for others to think about is, even given my early "lurkish" play, who are the ones that benefit from preventing a town player to step up his play?
Yes, exactly. Only mafia benefits from that. At the moment I feel that LSB & Holy are bashing on me almost solely due to my bad start. Hypothetical situations:
I'm town and I come to up my bad play.
1) You can just ignore me and mislynch/shoot me based on my bad start, also gives mafia an extremely easy reason to hop onto. --> Bad
2) You can actually listen to what I say instead of having the red goggles on while reading my posts, might even find a new favourite townie. In any case, not shutting me down will lead into more contribution -> more information for everyone to go by. --> Good
If I was scum:
1) You can ignore me and just go for my lynch / shot. -> Good: Dead scummer. Bad: Not much to associate with.
2) Listen to evil scummer trying to redeem his sorry ass. -> Good: Get more information, maybe even become more sure that I'm scum. Bad: Might be super clever and shit up the thread and or even falsely convince you of his townness.
Trying to shut me down redeeming myself is much more pro-mafia than pro-town. Holy & LSB currently don't seem like they even care to consider the possibility of me being town. If either or even both of them are mafia, it's extremely convinient for them both to keep what they are doing. If they are town, there is not much benefit in trying to shut me down, whether they believe I am mafia or not.
So LSB & Holy, instead of the horrible omgus and relevant crap you are posting, how about getting serious about me if either of you is actually town?
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I'm fairly sure my answer is obvious but at the moment Holy lynch and LSB shot is my ideal scenario.
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On February 07 2014 08:38 LSB wrote:
By lynching scummy players I have multiple chances to hit a scum in a cycle. I can either get them killed at the lynch, or if I am wrong, the player may be able to redeem himself by shooting a scum. If I lynch a scum, then we have accomplished what we need to do.
@marv: I have no interest in trying to end the cycle this early when there is much more to be gained.
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More information. I'm not saying we should make 1-week cycles because we can, but there is no point in trying to end this day here right now when there's currently a lot of interesting content to go by coming up.
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I am able to become much more confident in my reads on the players taking part in the discussion, or change them if I end up thinking I am in the wrong.
You for example keep jumping up and down like a kid in a bouncy castle for me right now. Having decent points and appropriate replies every other post, then nonsensical things I don't understand that makes me think you may very well not be town. Like DP pointed out, I also feel that your "willingness to get lynched" isn't the most genuine around.
Your disappointment at Prome for not shooting Rayn, and the way you are encouraging LSB to take a shot at rayn merely strengthens the theory in case you are mafia. And don't say you wouldn't bus a teammate D1 as mafia...
This theory has points against it as well, such as with rayn's current presence I don't think you would see him as a threat if you were mafia, but perhaps that is the very reason you are thinking of getting rid of him easily. (If you are mafia.)
Then there's LSB who contradicts himself and jumps from one extreme to another.
Wave keeps being calm and posting good points.
DP is going about the game in an extremely pro-town manner, even if his contributions aren't always the most mind-boggling, he raises fairly good points. I'd wish to see him talk more about other players, but I can see why he's fixated on you.
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@ LSB: Read my posts, douche. You know I am not interested in voting yet, as well as that I'd prefer you as the shot target, rather than the lynch target.
@ marv: You can hardly claim you were even close to getting lynched, even with -2 votes, with many players considering you obviously town as you say yourself, and some like me saying they are not interested in ending the cycle early on.
Being 2 votes away from IML under these circumstances was hardly commitment.
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@marv: Please elaborate on what about my post is so scummy to you? (The earlier one you referred to.) Instead of just saying "wow, such scum"
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Nice indeed. Feeling a bit useless being carried like this but there's still one to go so there is room for being redeemed!
I would still like to see a holy lynch into lsb shot.
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Yeah I'm not going to quickvote as tempting as that could be. Might end up missing something crucial otherwise.
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Shared 1st place - LSB / Holyflare
2nd place - WaveOfShadow
3rd place - DarthPunk
Towniest Town Award: Cephiro
Most curious to hear more from Holy, as I am very on the edge of Holy > LSB in terms of scumminess.
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If it is, don't do anything stupid Holy. I'm town.
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On February 07 2014 10:23 Holyflare wrote:
if he's town i'll eat my shoe on stream
Quoting for future reference. This will happen if you shoot me. :D
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Oh, gg. Pacifist townie survives. 
LSB pulled off the correct play in endgame.
But yes, in 2v1 the town wins almost always. I figured out earlier if it went to 3 players left like that, I would instantly selfvote. Both townies are the ones that can do that with no danger. There are only two options for scum.
1) Instahammer and hope that the other townie thinks that you're the remaining townie for figuring out the selfvote thing and avoid getting shot. (Unlikely.)
2) Self-vote and mislead one townie like a boss that it doesn't matter which of you two gets lynched, and hope that they agree on being lynched and taking the shot. (And that they don't change their mind to shoot the remaining scum after mislead.)
In 2v1 it's extremely town favoured. Scum's objective is obviously to avoid getting into that situation. Scum wins after 2 lynched townies shoot town. This essentially means that town has to hit scum on every single shot except one. It's hard to say for certainty, but in my opinion it seems like a fairly balanced setup. Certainly scum can't be as suicidehappy, but there may even be situations where being lynched and unflipped causes town to wifom themselves to death.
It's too bad I went to sleep after waiting about 20 minutes for Holy's shot. Since he was waiting that long I figured I'm probably not going to get shot. No shoe eating on stream. 
As for the behavior of players, I think most can agree that this wasn't a very fun environment to play in. Even so, I thank the other players for participating and even more the hosts for hosting. I was thinking of writing up my opinions about the style of certain players, but I don't see what's the use of discussing about who did what and how badly. I'd rather hope we'll all step it up in the next game to try and make it a more comfortable environment to play in.
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