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On January 31 2014 13:46 kushm4sta wrote:
oh no
1) iamperfection
unreadable, constant one liners
2) DoNotPanic!
unreadable smurf
3) Oatsmaster
unreadable, one liners, relies solely on "feel reads"
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5) Koshi
unreadable troll
6) kushm4sta
only readable person in the game
7) Gumshoe
unreadable afker
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9) QuantumPope
unreadable cause newb
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12) Vayneauthority
unreadable troll
13) ObviousOne
unreadable rper
/IN
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I love how the smurfs are all unreadable because you don't read filters.
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On February 04 2014 09:25 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 09:24 kushm4sta wrote:On February 04 2014 09:21 Blazinghand wrote:
signups are full! role pms will go out in about 3 hours. wat. such short notice hm, fair enough. OK, role pms will go out in about 17 hours!
wat. Not soon enough.
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you can't let the Kushm4stas of life dictate the start of your mafia games. That would be anarchy!
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It's ok I can fill both spots. I should be able to deceive myself if necessary.
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This game was about to start days ago. I blame Blazinghand for not rushing out role pms before Iamp realized he was still on the player list.
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Yes! I am totally going to play seriously and stuff.
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On February 13 2014 03:33 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 03:31 sidesprang wrote:
Depends on how much you want me to lynch Mattchew. Well QuantumPope and Mattchew are the only two people I know, but I know Mattchew the best. I know spamming is frowned upon, but with so little to go off of on D1, I prefer just to get the ball rolling and just make stuff happen...so yeah ##vote mattchew
No worries there this forum loves spamming.
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On February 13 2014 03:38 sidesprang wrote:
no we dont :S
Well probably not this player list, but I certainly do.
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On February 13 2014 03:50 VIVAX420 wrote:
WASSUP BITCHES VIVAX420!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
##Vote: VIVAX420
Sup bitch.
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Soooo... What do you think of my Kushm4sta vote? I think it's pretty solid.
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Rayn, I'm worried. These guys are super bloodthirsty. Let us form an alliance to protect ourselves.
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On February 13 2014 07:34 ShiaoPi wrote:
hai gais!
oh herro
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On February 13 2014 22:26 VIVAX420 wrote:
i thought more about mattchew's comment on sidespring.
the post itself wasn't nervous, but I think it might show nervousness that he chose to talk about setup over everything else.
Kushm4sta? Is that you?
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On February 14 2014 00:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:
Why is DNP not on your comment agenda? DNP has made a single post that is obviously not a very good looking post. Didn't think I should spend too much time discussing obvious stuff. Hopefully he posts more. Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:Why is sidesprings retort void? On February 13 2014 17:25 sidesprang wrote:
And why would scum be nervous talking about setup?
I don't think scum would be nervous talking about setup. I think it's scummy that setup is the only thing he chose to discuss. Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:
What is your current read on Mattchew; considering you are effectively "safely" +1'n his read. Like I said I don't like the way Mattchew looks. So yeah I have 2 scumreads indpendant of each other that don't really mesh well as scumbuddies.
What's wrong with the way Mattchew looks? Looks can be deceiving you know.
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On February 14 2014 00:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@grack what do u think of him (or anyone for that matter)
I think he looks ok from filtering him. I haven't really been able to keep up with the thread.
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On October 17 2013 10:52 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 08:07 Grackaroni wrote:On October 17 2013 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On October 17 2013 07:34 I-be-Pro wrote:On October 17 2013 07:27 supersoft wrote:
you wanna follow up on my post about towns best interest?
Do you still think that phrasing gives you anything about my alignment? I don't think it's a good idea. If you're keeping the vast majority in here and talk about weather in the QT that's fine with me and I think it is a lot better than having everyone spam it up in here. Idk. I don't believe people who say they don't slip like that, I also don't believe you have to have slipped there at all. I do believe that I apparently make it look like single phrases that I find odd for whatever reason are huge things for me. I just like pointing it out and hearing opinions about it unless a shitton of that stuff masses together. To big of chance to just be wrong on it otherwise. Pointing it out without waiting for him to do it again later or changing defeats the object of it doesn't it? It's totally baseless, especially if he isn't a native english speaker. On a different topic let me reiterate: + Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 06:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. Can we assume so though? It is randomly distributed after all. We had something similar in our QT. Storrzerg asked pretty much the same thing. Then there was Grack, he said he would not be participating in the pick up line event unless we had some spare, never knew google was a hard concept for some. What would be the point in not participating at this point as these items seem to be game changing, does he not want to win? What would be people's motive (Grack) to not participate in an event? These items seem to be useful for finding scum and he implied that he didn't care which house they went to in the QT. Seeing as scum is randomly distributed it would be detrimental to go to another house that you don't know how many scum are in it. Why does he not care? I don't know how many scum are in my house either lol. i didnt like this "lol", i thought it looked pretty weak
On October 17 2013 10:58 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 10:54 Grackaroni wrote:On October 17 2013 10:52 Mattchew wrote:On October 17 2013 08:07 Grackaroni wrote:On October 17 2013 07:41 Holyflare wrote:On October 17 2013 07:34 I-be-Pro wrote:On October 17 2013 07:27 supersoft wrote:
you wanna follow up on my post about towns best interest?
Do you still think that phrasing gives you anything about my alignment? I don't think it's a good idea. If you're keeping the vast majority in here and talk about weather in the QT that's fine with me and I think it is a lot better than having everyone spam it up in here. Idk. I don't believe people who say they don't slip like that, I also don't believe you have to have slipped there at all. I do believe that I apparently make it look like single phrases that I find odd for whatever reason are huge things for me. I just like pointing it out and hearing opinions about it unless a shitton of that stuff masses together. To big of chance to just be wrong on it otherwise. Pointing it out without waiting for him to do it again later or changing defeats the object of it doesn't it? It's totally baseless, especially if he isn't a native english speaker. On a different topic let me reiterate: + Show Spoiler +On October 17 2013 06:52 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 06:41 I-be-Pro wrote:
Okay I'm done with the contest. Just won it. So let's talk mafia.
Anything interesting happening in your QT supersoft? This skanjab guy asked in mine wether mafia has 1 member per house.
Rather scummy question to me. There's really not much to get out of that. Obviously everyone assumes so at this point but what do you expect the hosts to answer to that? Up until this point it's just a no-brainer question that might have not been a no-brainer for him. I ask that kind of questions all the time but this particular one really makes it sound like he's trying to "just post something" and look like he's participating imo. Can we assume so though? It is randomly distributed after all. We had something similar in our QT. Storrzerg asked pretty much the same thing. Then there was Grack, he said he would not be participating in the pick up line event unless we had some spare, never knew google was a hard concept for some. What would be the point in not participating at this point as these items seem to be game changing, does he not want to win? What would be people's motive (Grack) to not participate in an event? These items seem to be useful for finding scum and he implied that he didn't care which house they went to in the QT. Seeing as scum is randomly distributed it would be detrimental to go to another house that you don't know how many scum are in it. Why does he not care? I don't know how many scum are in my house either lol. i didnt like this "lol", i thought it looked pretty weak wat. saying lol at the end of a sentence is what you do when your texting a girl and you're nervous she wont understand what you're saying is a joke, aka weakness
His earlier scum read kind of reminded me of this - lol
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Sheepin' it up.
##Vote: Sidesprang
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On February 14 2014 02:00 VIVAX420 wrote:
It's perfectly valid if you say you're suspicious of a person without voting for that person. This is instant majority we probably shouldn't be throwing around our vote carelessly.
Oh right it's a Blazinghand game. I'm ok with it though.
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On February 14 2014 02:03 VIVAX420 wrote:
Grack do you always keep it to a minimum with your posts?
Fairly frequently. Basically he showed some interest at the start of the game and then never followed it up when things started happening. He seems the most concerned to me about maintaining his own appearance out of the low content posters. (Which isn't actually saying much, but more so to me than ShiaoPi or Mattchew whose filters I read.)
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On February 14 2014 02:12 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 01:57 Grackaroni wrote:
Sheepin' it up.
##Vote: Sidesprang You know there is a seperate voting thread ? @JJD, you were pretty much on me whole last game aswell. Was town there, think you should adjust the way you are reading me.
I was unaware of this fact.
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On February 14 2014 02:17 Mattchew wrote:
I don't think that grack and side are the same alignment
As in we are not both mafia or there must be one mafia between us?
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On February 14 2014 02:21 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 02:17 Mattchew wrote:
I don't think that grack and side are the same alignment What makes it unlikely we are both town ?
You've just been ninjad son.
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I agree. I bet my teammates would be attacking me in thread. I have a knack for pissing them off.
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Oh no he did not just quote my filter.
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Brb going to search through past Blazinghand games for an MS paint drawing that fits this situation.
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On February 14 2014 04:03 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 03:58 JarJarDrinks wrote:Rob, U missed this post: On February 14 2014 00:57 Grackaroni wrote:On February 14 2014 00:54 JarJarDrinks wrote:
@grack what do u think of him (or anyone for that matter) I think he looks ok from filtering him. I haven't really been able to keep up with the thread. He actually gave something resembling a read here though I don't know why he thought mattchew looked ok from his filter @ that point. yeah...idk...i was copy-pasting them into word cause I don't know if there's another way to do it. The conclusion we can draw from his posts are that he has nothing to offer to the game. The most likely scenario from my perspective is that he's mafia and is afraid of saying something that he shouldn't say, so decides to just post to make it look like he's active.
I like kittens.
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On February 14 2014 03:53 roundabound wrote:
So here is what has been going on:
Robik: "thrawn mafia"
VIVAX: "Here is this shit case on thrawn"
Mordanis: "Robik and VIVAX deserve to be looked at because of this thrawn thing" (later on not Robik so much)
VIVAX: "Mordanis so scummy because he called us out"
roundabound: "why? your case is shit, why is it scummy to call it out? do you think the case is good?"
VIVAX: "no the case was bad, Mordanis still scummy because of it. You are tunneling, go do something else".
Explain to me how does this make any sense?
Ok now I've read through both Vivax and Mordanis and what Rayn says is essentially what happened.
Mordanis thought there was something fishy/opportunistic going on when Rob voted Thrawn for saying hmm and then Vivax jumped in with some terrible usage of meta to join the Thrawn wagon.
Then Thrawn said it kind of seems like Mordanis already knows he is town.
Now Vivax has admitted his initial meta was silly, but he is still calling out Mordanis for attacking him and his shitty meta at the start of the game rather than suspecting Thrawn.
Definitely going to have to side with Mordanis on this one.
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Also pro-scum player Kushm4sta is a non-presence. Let's vote off these guys.
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Excellent. My seal has arrived.
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You know it's legit because it's shiny.
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On February 14 2014 03:04 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 02:21 sidesprang wrote:On February 14 2014 02:17 Mattchew wrote:
I don't think that grack and side are the same alignment What makes it unlikely we are both town ? I find this a strange question to ask, why do you sound like you take it for granted that Grack is town?
This was not a strange question. It would have made much more sense if he had worded it, "I don't think Sidesprang and Grackaroni are scum together"
That's all I see for the comment on Sidesprang you are awaiting.
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Nope I don't agree on ShiaoPi either.
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Bring back the Kushm4sta.
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Did you not see the guarantee?
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On February 14 2014 11:16 VIVAX420 wrote:
grack is confirmed town
Because of the seal?
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On February 15 2014 01:36 IAmRobik wrote:
Grack...I'm rereading pg 29-31 so far. I know I'm new here. I don't know anything about your playstyle. But I think it's absolutely reasonable for me to spite vote you and never change if you don't fucking start contributing actual content. You've done nothing so far and I'm baffled that Rayn can shittalk players on 2p2 when people like you play games on TL.
huh I don't think I've done nothing. I've done little.
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On February 15 2014 01:47 roundabound wrote:
Grack who's your preferred lynch atm and why?
~rayn
I'm still ok with lynching Kushm4sta. He looks off and I don't know what the fuck Vivax is doing.
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On February 15 2014 01:47 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 01:40 Grackaroni wrote:On February 15 2014 01:36 IAmRobik wrote:
Grack...I'm rereading pg 29-31 so far. I know I'm new here. I don't know anything about your playstyle. But I think it's absolutely reasonable for me to spite vote you and never change if you don't fucking start contributing actual content. You've done nothing so far and I'm baffled that Rayn can shittalk players on 2p2 when people like you play games on TL. huh I don't think I've done nothing. I've done little. I honestly don't give a shit. If you wanna play the game, then play the game. If you wanna troll the internet, as your signature suggests, go to the millions of other websites and forums or wherever you wanna go and do it there. Everytime I see your posts, the enjoyment I get from playing mafia is ruined. Is this seriously how you play every game?
So I have done something?
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Rayn you haven't actually said who you want to lynch.
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On February 15 2014 02:07 IAmRobik wrote:
I am saying that I'm not sold that the interaction between sidespring and JJD can't be M/M.
I'm also saying that an individuals tone changes when they are town and they are called mafia. I'm not saying this ALWAYS happens, but from personal experience, I think that sidesprang's post would show a little more attitude and fervor if he was town and defending himself against someone calling him mafia for what he thinks is a shitty reason.
I can actually get behind this reasoning. He doesn't sound at all annoyed that people are considering mislynching him. His passive reaction to me popping in the thread to vote him and fuck off was rather strange.
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On February 15 2014 02:37 roundabound wrote:
So Grack, about that case?
~rayn
Oh I'm not writing any specific case. That's just my general feeling.
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I think that I'd rather lynch Sidesprang at this point now anyway.
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On February 13 2014 06:27 Mattchew wrote:
Is lynch grack and not look back
Yeah and what was this lynch Grack thing about. Sounds like a total SHROOP to me.
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On February 15 2014 04:38 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 04:35 Grackaroni wrote:On February 13 2014 06:27 Mattchew wrote:
Is lynch grack and not look back Yeah and what was this lynch Grack thing about. Sounds like a total SHROOP to me. Already called him out for it...wanna provide some OC now?
I don't actually know what OC means.
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On February 15 2014 04:40 IAmRobik wrote:
Grack, does your vote change onto Sidesprang indicate that you are starting to like Vivax420 or that you don't think that you can get him lynched? If it's the former, please provide a reason for why your opinion has changed since it seems like you wanted to lynch him for the majority of the game so far (jokingly at first and then more seriously)
That was just a coincidence that I voted him at the start of the game. And I already said all of that when talking to Rayn. There's isn't anything too strong against anyone atm, but I like what you said about Sidesprang. Sidesprang's response to being voted read more like him wanting to appear like he was unconcerned with being voted more than his genuine reaction.
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On February 15 2014 04:46 sidesprang wrote:
OMFG TWO VOTES ON ME PANIC!
not even that. I would have expected you to at least question why I'm just sheepin' it up.
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Yes. Let us all post our town seals. It costs big brother bucks though and I'm not sure what the exchange rate is at the moment. Could be rather expensive.
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Now the real question is whether it would be breaking the oath to lynch somebody who posts a town seal.
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It's a sacred brotherhood - I think.
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On February 15 2014 04:57 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 04:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Vivax, it really seems like you're trying to get me to move my vote off of Grack and onto Shiao. All I said about Shiao was I'd be fine lynching a lurker.
What do you think of grack? I just want to see where all the stuff went you wanted to lynch earlier before putting your vote onto grack after Robik did. What I don't like about Grack is that earlier on he ignored some points I made against sidesprang (and focused on defending a post I found weird) when I asked him about side and now he hops onto him for no apparent reason. As useless as somebody with his attitude could be, but scummy?I can't tell if he keeps playing like that.
No that's not true. All you said on Sidesprang was that he seemed nervous with his setup talk and then you pointed out that question. I had already said something similar about him being the one I felt was the least care free out of people lurking. Then you wanted further comments from me on what you said about Sidesprang so I went back and answered your only other comment on Sidesprang, which happened to about a post you found weird.
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On February 15 2014 05:12 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2014 05:08 Grackaroni wrote:On February 15 2014 04:57 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 15 2014 04:34 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Vivax, it really seems like you're trying to get me to move my vote off of Grack and onto Shiao. All I said about Shiao was I'd be fine lynching a lurker.
What do you think of grack? I just want to see where all the stuff went you wanted to lynch earlier before putting your vote onto grack after Robik did. What I don't like about Grack is that earlier on he ignored some points I made against sidesprang (and focused on defending a post I found weird) when I asked him about side and now he hops onto him for no apparent reason. As useless as somebody with his attitude could be, but scummy?I can't tell if he keeps playing like that. No that's not true. All you said on Sidesprang was that he seemed nervous with his setup talk and then you pointed out that question. I had already said something similar about him being the one I felt was the least care free out of people lurking. Then you wanted further comments from me on what you said about Sidesprang so I went back and answered your only other comment on Sidesprang, which happened to about a post you found weird. Well the other point I had in mind was that I said he had shown a lot of early activity and then disappeared. First one suggest he's eager to start the game, latter that he only faked that. Like, when I asked about side you only commented on that one question and not the other stuff I said about him (or that's my impression). Would you rather lynch side or jjd?
And you think I'm scummy for not giving an opinion on that?
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Are the days never ending? Can we play a year long game of mafia?
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On February 16 2014 10:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
Grack why aren't you pushing your sidesprang lynch? If you don't plan on doing so then your vote is wasted.
I'm starting to subscribe to Kushm4sta's noob scum team theory. I'm secretly just waiting for 6 votes to ninja hammer like Bummers.
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On February 16 2014 10:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
please drop the act it's getting annoying
answer the question
that's not an act. I am probably just going to ninja hammer Shiaopi instead of keep my vote on Sidesprang. (Because hammers are much more fun)
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Like I understand you want me to give you something you can use and that's annoying that I keep popping to say nothing, but nothing really sticks out to me and I have a hard time keeping myself from posting. The newbie crowd hasn't seemed overly enthusiastic so it is possible Kushm4sta is correct.
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Oh actually the thing Rayn used against ShiaoPi is kind of taken out of context. It looks like he is saying he isn't contributing because he won't be lynched, but it's actually just a response to being threatened with the lynch.
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On February 16 2014 11:04 bumatlarge wrote:
ONLY I GET TO HAMMER.
ME.
NOT YOU.
We should join forces for a more surprising hammer/
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You know we don't have to lynch anybody. I'm pretty happy with the current state of our town and we don't seem to be under any threat of dying.
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We could be the first town to ever make peace with the mafia.
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fuck I missed the hammer. DAMN YOU BUMATLARGE
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Oh hey. I got lynched off in my other game so now I can spend extra time with you guys. Especially Kushm4sta.
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Let me just read the thread and then find who is to blame for the horrific killing ShiaoPi.
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I like that case a lot Gumshoe.
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On February 19 2014 03:23 gumshoe wrote:That makes things tough on me cause I'm not sure I like you ) : but I'll leave you be for now seeing as I'm pretty damm convinced Matt is scum. Thoughts on bum and Jar? Had them pinged as town before but that might have been a bit presumptive. Would really like to hear some more out of Bum especially.
You don't have to like me. I'll help bus out all of those nasty scummers. Bum seemed pretty townie from what I saw of him. JJD might be scum.
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It's because mafia have no GF
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That's the setup that prevents the possibility of doc + cop
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What do you think of the actual case on Mattchew Rayn?
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On February 19 2014 03:54 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 03:53 Grackaroni wrote:
What do you think of the actual case on Mattchew Rayn? I don't care because i believe gumshoe claimed scum. ~rayn
I think you should comment on the actual case he wrote rather than nit picking on this minor detail. even despite that it's pretty unlikely mafia skipped RB n1 for no reason, and his case is quite strong.
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He's already answered it. It's quite clear from that he was explaining that it's pointless for any blue to claim because there can only be a doc or a parity cop, and neither could possibly have any information worth sharing.
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Instead of reading it as, "I know there can't be both a doc and a cop" You should read it as, "there aren't any roles worth claiming right now in this setup so you guys should shut up about roles"
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On February 19 2014 04:24 roundabound wrote:
The case is the same i made on D1 with more words.
Why is it good now Grackaroni and was not good on D1?
~rayn
Because his case was about Mattchew being passive and consistently avoiding conflict. Either yours was not about that, or I didn't read yours if it was.
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On February 19 2014 06:14 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:12 Grackaroni wrote:On February 19 2014 04:24 roundabound wrote:
The case is the same i made on D1 with more words.
Why is it good now Grackaroni and was not good on D1?
~rayn Because his case was about Mattchew being passive and consistently avoiding conflict. Either yours was not about that, or I didn't read yours if it was. My case was that Mattchew hasn't said shit in this game which is the same thing. "Avoiding confliction" and "being passive" are just fancy words of saying the same thing. ~rayn
No that's not true. He had two quotes - one where his opinion was being attacked and he passively backed off of it rather than defending his opinion, and another where you personally attacked him and his reply was extremely passive and appears disingenuous.
And I am starting to agree with Kushm4sta on you right now. Gumshoe's case was one of the strongest cases I've seen in the last few games I've played, and all you've done since reading it is attempt to discredit him for a fake scum slip, discredit myself for following his case now and not your case earlier, and refuse to comment on the case until Mattchew responds.
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On February 19 2014 06:20 IAmRobik wrote:
Didn't grack have a seal that everyone cleared him for? Why are we discussing grack? -.-
Only Kushm4sta believes in that lol.
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On February 19 2014 06:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:08 sidesprang wrote:
The reason for claiming cop close to deadline = get mafia to swap to you, ofc its not gonna work and it was just for trolling. Thought that was pretty clear. You'd also have just as much of a chance of getting the doc to switch to you. And weren't you worried that you'd actually get countered? If you're town, you risked outing a PR for no possible gain. This is only a scum play.
That is not a scum play. If any cop is stupid enough to counter claim that then the error is on their part not Sidesprang's.
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On February 17 2014 01:42 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 01:39 roundabound wrote:
Actually a serious question Mattchew; Do you even read what people's posts say and do you think why do they say what they do?
~rayn i have my way of getting reads, you have yours, if you want to insult my reads you better be damn sure yours are correct
This one.
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On February 19 2014 06:36 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:33 roundabound wrote:
Vivax when you are here can you please scumhunt with me?
~rayn ya sure thing. rayn scum. -vivax
lulz you forgot the caps.
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If Rayn is scum I guarantee you Mattchew will also be scum.
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On February 19 2014 07:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:52 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm being pretty damn lazy about doing the voting analysis. If someone wants to do it for me that would be great. Well of the 4 people u want to lynch: Grack and sidespring voted for town, Mordanis didnt vote @ all, and I tried to vote for Grack and sidespring.
LIES AND SLANDER! My vote was not on ShiaoPi because I was not reading the thread around the time that ShiaoPi got hammered.
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And what have the other 4 people done to make you feel that way?
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But the problem is that your posts are useless. The first half of your filter is just you jumping to early conclusions on people being town for not giving fuck and the second half is you calling lurkers mafia for not giving reads - which is why you don't like them and like Mattchew.
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That came out ruder than it should have been. I think you should more strongly consider the possibility of Mattchew being scum.
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You are absolutely right. You have put a lot of effort into the thread and I have not and it was insulting of me to say that. I think your reasons for not suspecting Mattchew are poor, and I think it is very likely he will flip scum.
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On February 19 2014 10:03 roundabound wrote:Some musings as I read the thread: ThrawnNot a bad NK selection. He was unanimously considered as town, and lurked enough that he could be a blue snipe as well. Reads wise, he wasnt advocating anyone with a high degree of certainty towards the end; unless you count as a post worth NK'n over.
Are you kidding me? He probably got killed because he is one of the high profile players in this game alongside your hydra and vivax. Nobody's reads this game have really differed too much - lots of attacks on the low contributors.
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I should actually add Kush. I have a lot of respect for Kush's reads over the last few games, but he's always ignored because he plays like me.
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- As a side note I think that Mordanis is town. I like the fact that he is pushing his own opinion on Bum even though the thread consensus seems to be strongly leaning towards Bum being town. I think if he rolled scum he would follow thread sentiment more closely in this town.
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On February 19 2014 10:31 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 10:15 Grackaroni wrote:
I should actually add Kush. I have a lot of respect for Kush's reads over the last few games, but he's always ignored because he plays like me. R u going to vote us or continue throwing toothless barbs ~moc
The only person I see throwing "toothless barbs" is you. I didn't post, "Hey I bet Thrawn got killed because the Rayn/Moc hydra is scum"
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The Kushm4sta comment had nothing to do with his read of you this game. As a habit I left out Kushm4sta - because Kushm4sta. But that's not really fair because he played really well in the restart game.
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On February 19 2014 10:43 VIVAX420 wrote:
grack if you respect my opinion at all, and you should because we are very alike, you should unvote mattchew. yeah he doesn;t look super townie but he never does. he is lynch bait.
I wouldn't be so sure. Without showing Rayn appeared heavily against the Mattchew lynch and now Mocsta is the polar opposite of Rayn accusing you of being mafia and distancing from Mattchew.
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On February 19 2014 11:14 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 11:11 Grackaroni wrote:On February 19 2014 10:43 VIVAX420 wrote:
grack if you respect my opinion at all, and you should because we are very alike, you should unvote mattchew. yeah he doesn;t look super townie but he never does. he is lynch bait. I wouldn't be so sure. Without showing Rayn appeared heavily against the Mattchew lynch and now Mocsta is the polar opposite of Rayn accusing you of being mafia and distancing from Mattchew. I have never said i oppose the Mattchew lynch. Why would you think so? I said the opposite, i said i basically made the same case on D1, that's not opposing. I wanted people's opinions on the case. ~rayn
That's the impression I got from your aggressiveness towards me for not following your case earlier and the nitpicking of Gumshoe's post.
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On February 19 2014 11:19 roundabound wrote:
Grack if Mattchew was off the table who'd you lynch?
~rayn
JarjarDrinks
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On February 19 2014 11:25 roundabound wrote:
Is there any reasoning or have i missed something?
I am personally leaning towards 3 scum being in Mattchew/sidesprang/Mordanis/bum/JJD.
bumatlarge looks definitely best from those people, last game he had no balls to even counter my arguments against him as mafia, as town he attacked me pretty hard in NMM D1 because he felt like i said something scummy. While he is fucking wrong about the meta (that was really bad) i am not sure if it's mafia-esque.
JJD looks the second best. He's putting effort to the game, while i don't like his conclusions i can see where he is coming from if he is town. I also like his vote on sidesprang who only goes after anything he can even say is lynchworthy and every time it gains no traction he fucking disappears and continues having no opinions.
gumshoe's case on Mattchew is good.
Mordanis keeps flip-flopping around with no real opinions at all.
~rayn
For Mordanis I wouldn't really describe him as flip-flopping around. I think he's actually been rather bold with his accusations - giving reasoning against you/moc vivax/kush and Bum when everyone else is focused on choosing a lurker.
As for Sidesprang I sort of buy his not caring attitude and I'm inclined to believe this to be him making fun of me for "not voting a townie" while having my vote on him. He could be scum though and is definitely deserving of a policy lynch if he is town.
On February 19 2014 07:31 sidesprang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 07:26 Grackaroni wrote:On February 19 2014 07:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 19 2014 06:52 IAmRobik wrote:
I'm being pretty damn lazy about doing the voting analysis. If someone wants to do it for me that would be great. Well of the 4 people u want to lynch: Grack and sidespring voted for town, Mordanis didnt vote @ all, and I tried to vote for Grack and sidespring. LIES AND SLANDER! My vote was not on ShiaoPi because I was not reading the thread around the time that ShiaoPi got hammered. True, your vote was on me. So do you think I'm town JJD ?
I'm in the process of reading JJD now - I'll see if I can substantiate my feel.
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On February 13 2014 06:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:Suspicious of IAmRobik. I don't like that he sheeped a townread on VIVAX420s 1 post. I thought he was joking @ first but he went on to defend it. And I really don't like that thinks its scummy that vivax would question it: Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 05:44 IAmRobik wrote:
Additionally, your post questioning it is awkward. If someone calls me town I'd be happy as all hell. It's d1. Who gives a damn really on any sort of rationalizaiton. That's like the opposite of how a townie should think. If someone gives you a townread for no good reason, how do you not immediately get suspicious of that person?
On February 13 2014 06:17 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 06:07 IAmRobik wrote:
2) I don't think that's the opposite of how town should think. If people have reads that they want to keep to themselves for the time being that's fine. If people want to put out reads just to promote conversation that's fine too. If I'm called town I'm thrilled. I'm town. I know I'm town. If someone else that's town realizes I'm town, that's one less person that I need to convince and 1 less mislynch that town wastes.
Unless that person is scum of course. Like you say "If someone else that's town realizes I'm town" well how would you know that person is town? You wouldn't of course. And when the reasoning is terrible (ie: like urs was) it should immediately raise ur eyebrows.
On February 13 2014 12:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:k IamRob reminds me alot of vayne in his early games where has a big ego about his play and thinks that everyone else is wrong about the way mafia should be played. So while I think it's bad play, I do think it's town play. I really didn't like how rayn jumped all over him for it since I think it looked like he was just trying to find something to jump on and I feel like rayn should know better. He's since backed off but it's possible it's just cause IamRob gave him no choice by the amount of posting he's doing.Really don't like Mattchew right now. Everyone of his posts seem carefully non-confrontational and he's giving out way too many town reads. By my count he's had townreads on vivax, iamrobik, quantum and rayn while the closest thing to a scumread is this: I'm not sure if he actually thinks grack is scum or not since that's all he says about him.
I think these first 3 quotes in JJD's filter are rather scummy. The first thing he does is attack Robik alongside Rayn, and then when the thread comes to the conclusion that Robik is town he comes back and says he thinks Robik is just bad and that he suspects Rayn for attacking Robik. I don't really understand this from a town POV because earlier he thought that Robik was suspicious, so Rayn pushing him should still feel justified and shouldn't have felt like Rayn was just looking to find something to jump on.
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On February 19 2014 12:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 12:09 Grackaroni wrote:On February 13 2014 06:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:Suspicious of IAmRobik. I don't like that he sheeped a townread on VIVAX420s 1 post. I thought he was joking @ first but he went on to defend it. And I really don't like that thinks its scummy that vivax would question it: On February 13 2014 05:44 IAmRobik wrote:
Additionally, your post questioning it is awkward. If someone calls me town I'd be happy as all hell. It's d1. Who gives a damn really on any sort of rationalizaiton. That's like the opposite of how a townie should think. If someone gives you a townread for no good reason, how do you not immediately get suspicious of that person? On February 13 2014 06:17 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 13 2014 06:07 IAmRobik wrote:
2) I don't think that's the opposite of how town should think. If people have reads that they want to keep to themselves for the time being that's fine. If people want to put out reads just to promote conversation that's fine too. If I'm called town I'm thrilled. I'm town. I know I'm town. If someone else that's town realizes I'm town, that's one less person that I need to convince and 1 less mislynch that town wastes.
Unless that person is scum of course. Like you say "If someone else that's town realizes I'm town" well how would you know that person is town? You wouldn't of course. And when the reasoning is terrible (ie: like urs was) it should immediately raise ur eyebrows. On February 13 2014 12:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:k IamRob reminds me alot of vayne in his early games where has a big ego about his play and thinks that everyone else is wrong about the way mafia should be played. So while I think it's bad play, I do think it's town play. I really didn't like how rayn jumped all over him for it since I think it looked like he was just trying to find something to jump on and I feel like rayn should know better. He's since backed off but it's possible it's just cause IamRob gave him no choice by the amount of posting he's doing.Really don't like Mattchew right now. Everyone of his posts seem carefully non-confrontational and he's giving out way too many town reads. By my count he's had townreads on vivax, iamrobik, quantum and rayn while the closest thing to a scumread is this: On February 13 2014 06:27 Mattchew wrote:
Is lynch grack and not look back I'm not sure if he actually thinks grack is scum or not since that's all he says about him. I think these first 3 quotes in JJD's filter are rather scummy. The first thing he does is attack Robik alongside Rayn, and then when the thread comes to the conclusion that Robik is town he comes back and says he thinks Robik is just bad and that he suspects Rayn for attacking Robik. I don't really understand this from a town POV because earlier he thought that Robik was suspicious, so Rayn pushing him should still feel justified and shouldn't have felt like Rayn was just looking to find something to jump on. Rayn was like totally all over Irubik, making a ton of posts, calling him scum, and eventually voting for him. All I did was question a few of his posts. I mean, u really think it's scummy to have my first bunch of posts attack the 2 most active posters?
You didn't question his posts you called him suspicious. And then when town accepted Robik as town you came back and accused Rayn of being scum for calling town-Robik scum. It has nothing to do with them being active; I question your mindset. It's highly unusual to suspect someone for sharing a thought process you had previously subscribed to.
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On February 19 2014 12:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 12:30 Grackaroni wrote:On February 19 2014 12:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 19 2014 12:09 Grackaroni wrote:On February 13 2014 06:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:Suspicious of IAmRobik. I don't like that he sheeped a townread on VIVAX420s 1 post. I thought he was joking @ first but he went on to defend it. And I really don't like that thinks its scummy that vivax would question it: On February 13 2014 05:44 IAmRobik wrote:
Additionally, your post questioning it is awkward. If someone calls me town I'd be happy as all hell. It's d1. Who gives a damn really on any sort of rationalizaiton. That's like the opposite of how a townie should think. If someone gives you a townread for no good reason, how do you not immediately get suspicious of that person? On February 13 2014 06:17 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 13 2014 06:07 IAmRobik wrote:
2) I don't think that's the opposite of how town should think. If people have reads that they want to keep to themselves for the time being that's fine. If people want to put out reads just to promote conversation that's fine too. If I'm called town I'm thrilled. I'm town. I know I'm town. If someone else that's town realizes I'm town, that's one less person that I need to convince and 1 less mislynch that town wastes.
Unless that person is scum of course. Like you say "If someone else that's town realizes I'm town" well how would you know that person is town? You wouldn't of course. And when the reasoning is terrible (ie: like urs was) it should immediately raise ur eyebrows. On February 13 2014 12:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:k IamRob reminds me alot of vayne in his early games where has a big ego about his play and thinks that everyone else is wrong about the way mafia should be played. So while I think it's bad play, I do think it's town play. I really didn't like how rayn jumped all over him for it since I think it looked like he was just trying to find something to jump on and I feel like rayn should know better. He's since backed off but it's possible it's just cause IamRob gave him no choice by the amount of posting he's doing.Really don't like Mattchew right now. Everyone of his posts seem carefully non-confrontational and he's giving out way too many town reads. By my count he's had townreads on vivax, iamrobik, quantum and rayn while the closest thing to a scumread is this: On February 13 2014 06:27 Mattchew wrote:
Is lynch grack and not look back I'm not sure if he actually thinks grack is scum or not since that's all he says about him. I think these first 3 quotes in JJD's filter are rather scummy. The first thing he does is attack Robik alongside Rayn, and then when the thread comes to the conclusion that Robik is town he comes back and says he thinks Robik is just bad and that he suspects Rayn for attacking Robik. I don't really understand this from a town POV because earlier he thought that Robik was suspicious, so Rayn pushing him should still feel justified and shouldn't have felt like Rayn was just looking to find something to jump on. Rayn was like totally all over Irubik, making a ton of posts, calling him scum, and eventually voting for him. All I did was question a few of his posts. I mean, u really think it's scummy to have my first bunch of posts attack the 2 most active posters? You didn't question his posts you called him suspicious. And then when town accepted Robik as town you came back and accused Rayn of being scum for calling town-Robik scum. It has nothing to do with them being active; I question your mindset. It's highly unusual to suspect someone for sharing a thought process you had previously subscribed to. I didn't say he was suspicious. I said I was suspicious of him. That may seem like semantics but I never called him scum or made any type of push. Town accepted him as town because of his posting. The same reason I did. And then afterwards I went back and didn't like what I saw from rayn based on that. I think that's a perfectly natural progression. I don't think it's unusual to suspect someone for "thinking" how you previously thought yourself when you were actually wrong.
I don't think it's natural - If I were to start posting a lot of content now do you think others should view you with suspicion for attacking my earlier posts? Even if you no longer felt Robik was scummy because he continued posting, that doesn't mean Rayn wasn't originally attacking something you felt was scummy (hence Rayn's posts should be pro-town, and not be described as him looking for something to jump on)
Your semantics defense is nonsense, and to be perfectly honest it seemed as if it took you a while to come up with that nonsense.
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On February 19 2014 13:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 12:59 Grackaroni wrote:
If I were to start posting a lot of content now do you think others should view you with suspicion for attacking my earlier posts? If you did something that made you look like like you were very likely town then hell yeah people should suspect me for attacking a townie. You really disagree w/ that?
Ok - initiating townie mode.
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On February 19 2014 13:23 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 13:10 Grackaroni wrote:On February 19 2014 13:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 19 2014 12:59 Grackaroni wrote:
If I were to start posting a lot of content now do you think others should view you with suspicion for attacking my earlier posts? If you did something that made you look like like you were very likely town then hell yeah people should suspect me for attacking a townie. You really disagree w/ that? Ok - initiating townie mode. U posted the seal already. How do u get townier than that?? ~moc
Idk. My seal came with shit post lessons from Coag. So far he's only taught me how to post the seal.
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On February 20 2014 00:33 roundabound wrote:
Yeah well i want to lynch Mattchew still.
Grack what do you think? How sure are you JJD is scum?
~rayn
Not really sure. I'm fine with a Mattchew lynch. Game is hard.
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I think what people complaining about ending the day quickly don't realize is that we could drag this on for 10 more days and have no more clue what to do. You get information when townies are motivated to post. No amount of time will change that.
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Kush jump on the Mattchew train. Even if Rayn was scum right now you can't lynch him.
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Because boring. Kush don't let Vivax boss you around. wait for 2 more votes and then hammer that bitch.
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On February 20 2014 01:59 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 06:23 Grackaroni wrote:On February 19 2014 06:14 roundabound wrote:On February 19 2014 06:12 Grackaroni wrote:On February 19 2014 04:24 roundabound wrote:
The case is the same i made on D1 with more words.
Why is it good now Grackaroni and was not good on D1?
~rayn Because his case was about Mattchew being passive and consistently avoiding conflict. Either yours was not about that, or I didn't read yours if it was. My case was that Mattchew hasn't said shit in this game which is the same thing. "Avoiding confliction" and "being passive" are just fancy words of saying the same thing. ~rayn No that's not true. He had two quotes - one where his opinion was being attacked and he passively backed off of it rather than defending his opinion, and another where you personally attacked him and his reply was extremely passive and appears disingenuous. And I am starting to agree with Kushm4sta on you right now. Gumshoe's case was one of the strongest cases I've seen in the last few games I've played, and all you've done since reading it is attempt to discredit him for a fake scum slip, discredit myself for following his case now and not your case earlier, and refuse to comment on the case until Mattchew responds. OK, aside from that statement being totally disingenuous, I find it strange that Grack was so easily willing to switch his vote to me considering how "strong" gumshoes case was. Especially considering his reasoning was based on the first 3 posts in my my filter.
I've always been good with the Mattchew lynch. Sometimes I switch things up just to see what will happen.
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And first 3 posts because you probably slipped in the first 3 posts lol.
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And If I might add - I don't think you find it strange. I think you want to call me scum, but lack the courage to do so.
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Well then perhaps next time you should come out and say, "Look at this switch by Grack. This is suspicious. Why did he drop his vote on Mattchew so easily"
Rather than, "this is kinda strange. He thinks Gumshoe's case was strong and still voted me. Also like his case was based off the first 3 posts in my filter where I was suspicious of the 2 most active people in the thread"
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On February 20 2014 02:14 VIVAX420 wrote:
Grack the fact that he used the phase that's strange it's totally inconsequential. It means the same thing. That you are focusing on stupid shit like that solidifies my scum read of you.
Jjd point is good. And it's town ier than anything you or round said all game.
no you are focusing on stupid shit. Me moving my vote is really stupid to focus on unless you believe that I am on a team with Mattchew.
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In fact you trying to lynch Roundabout at all today if you are town - regardless of whatever alignment he ends up - is really stupid because you would have to convince 6/7 townies to kill Rayn which isn't going to happen.
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Yeah see 3 posts in a row. I'm town. Bitch please Vivax.
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hehe I agree. He erroneously assumes that I would use my brain before posting. Not a bad method for looking at people that would be a lot more careful posting as scum though.
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On February 20 2014 02:29 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 02:20 Grackaroni wrote:
In fact you trying to lynch Roundabout at all today if you are town - regardless of whatever alignment he ends up - is really stupid because you would have to convince 6/7 townies to kill Rayn which isn't going to happen. So that's why they thought it was a good scum strat to jokeclaim scum and peace out for the day?
I don't know and I don't care. I claim scum as town all the time. We can look at Roundabout when the numbers are lower and he could actually be lynched.
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Lynched as scum. He can be lynched now but I wouldn't expect the wagon to have 6 townies on it.
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On February 19 2014 12:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 12:30 Grackaroni wrote:On February 19 2014 12:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 19 2014 12:09 Grackaroni wrote:On February 13 2014 06:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:Suspicious of IAmRobik. I don't like that he sheeped a townread on VIVAX420s 1 post. I thought he was joking @ first but he went on to defend it. And I really don't like that thinks its scummy that vivax would question it: On February 13 2014 05:44 IAmRobik wrote:
Additionally, your post questioning it is awkward. If someone calls me town I'd be happy as all hell. It's d1. Who gives a damn really on any sort of rationalizaiton. That's like the opposite of how a townie should think. If someone gives you a townread for no good reason, how do you not immediately get suspicious of that person? On February 13 2014 06:17 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 13 2014 06:07 IAmRobik wrote:
2) I don't think that's the opposite of how town should think. If people have reads that they want to keep to themselves for the time being that's fine. If people want to put out reads just to promote conversation that's fine too. If I'm called town I'm thrilled. I'm town. I know I'm town. If someone else that's town realizes I'm town, that's one less person that I need to convince and 1 less mislynch that town wastes.
Unless that person is scum of course. Like you say "If someone else that's town realizes I'm town" well how would you know that person is town? You wouldn't of course. And when the reasoning is terrible (ie: like urs was) it should immediately raise ur eyebrows. On February 13 2014 12:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:k IamRob reminds me alot of vayne in his early games where has a big ego about his play and thinks that everyone else is wrong about the way mafia should be played. So while I think it's bad play, I do think it's town play. I really didn't like how rayn jumped all over him for it since I think it looked like he was just trying to find something to jump on and I feel like rayn should know better. He's since backed off but it's possible it's just cause IamRob gave him no choice by the amount of posting he's doing.Really don't like Mattchew right now. Everyone of his posts seem carefully non-confrontational and he's giving out way too many town reads. By my count he's had townreads on vivax, iamrobik, quantum and rayn while the closest thing to a scumread is this: On February 13 2014 06:27 Mattchew wrote:
Is lynch grack and not look back I'm not sure if he actually thinks grack is scum or not since that's all he says about him. I think these first 3 quotes in JJD's filter are rather scummy. The first thing he does is attack Robik alongside Rayn, and then when the thread comes to the conclusion that Robik is town he comes back and says he thinks Robik is just bad and that he suspects Rayn for attacking Robik. I don't really understand this from a town POV because earlier he thought that Robik was suspicious, so Rayn pushing him should still feel justified and shouldn't have felt like Rayn was just looking to find something to jump on. Rayn was like totally all over Irubik, making a ton of posts, calling him scum, and eventually voting for him. All I did was question a few of his posts. I mean, u really think it's scummy to have my first bunch of posts attack the 2 most active posters? You didn't question his posts you called him suspicious. And then when town accepted Robik as town you came back and accused Rayn of being scum for calling town-Robik scum. It has nothing to do with them being active; I question your mindset. It's highly unusual to suspect someone for sharing a thought process you had previously subscribed to. I didn't say he was suspicious. I said I was suspicious of him. That may seem like semantics but I never called him scum or made any type of push.Town accepted him as town because of his posting. The same reason I did. And then afterwards I went back and didn't like what I saw from rayn based on that. I think that's a perfectly natural progression. I don't think it's unusual to suspect someone for "thinking" how you previously thought yourself when you were actually wrong.
If you want to know why I changed my vote it was because this was such a bad response to what I called him out on. bad point on me moving my vote is bad and to say that is better than anything you've read in thread surprises me.
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On February 20 2014 02:32 VIVAX420 wrote:
You don't care if round is scum? Ok
@rob can you quote the posts from grack you are finding townie?
I don't care if he is scum right now because the only case Rayn will get enough votes to be lynched right now is if he is town.
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You don't have any reasons for Rayn being scum. You just say his cases are lacking - and no shit they are lacking there isn't anything happening in the thread.
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On February 20 2014 02:39 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 02:34 Grackaroni wrote:On February 20 2014 02:32 VIVAX420 wrote:
You don't care if round is scum? Ok
@rob can you quote the posts from grack you are finding townie? I don't care if he is scum right now because the only case Rayn will get enough votes to be lynched right now is if he is town. This way of thinking about who to lynch is inherently scummy.
Nah you're just bad.
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I feel like I've made it pretty simple for you. There is no circumstance that Rayn will be lynched as scum right now for having lacking cases by this thread. It is really anti-productive of you to focus your attention towards Rayn right now, and you should focus on either finding which of the players town is scum that town can actually lynch or posting some half-decent reasoning for Rayn being scum.
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Oh well I've posted the seal so GTFO.
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I would never violate the sanctity of the Coagulation Seal.
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I think I wrote in this town and then deleted.
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On February 20 2014 02:52 VIVAX420 wrote:
If you are town there's no reason for you to post the seal. You said you were going to try hard this game.
Round can be lynched today. We disagree on that. But even if you disagree with me, that's no reason to try to silence me.
You have expressed that you think round might be scum. Would you vote him today? Because I think bum would.
Also, why not just say YOU wouldn't vote him today. The way you are approaching this, focusing on the impossibility, is a way to shit on the scum read without taking responsibility for doing the shitting.
Yeah but I had just gotten the seal from Coag so of course I posted it.
I will not vote for Rayn over Matt/jjd. I don't know whether Rayn is town or scum - I do know that pushing him right now is a dumb idea.
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On February 20 2014 02:52 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 02:34 Grackaroni wrote:On February 19 2014 12:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 19 2014 12:30 Grackaroni wrote:On February 19 2014 12:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 19 2014 12:09 Grackaroni wrote:On February 13 2014 06:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:Suspicious of IAmRobik. I don't like that he sheeped a townread on VIVAX420s 1 post. I thought he was joking @ first but he went on to defend it. And I really don't like that thinks its scummy that vivax would question it: On February 13 2014 05:44 IAmRobik wrote:
Additionally, your post questioning it is awkward. If someone calls me town I'd be happy as all hell. It's d1. Who gives a damn really on any sort of rationalizaiton. That's like the opposite of how a townie should think. If someone gives you a townread for no good reason, how do you not immediately get suspicious of that person? On February 13 2014 06:17 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 13 2014 06:07 IAmRobik wrote:
2) I don't think that's the opposite of how town should think. If people have reads that they want to keep to themselves for the time being that's fine. If people want to put out reads just to promote conversation that's fine too. If I'm called town I'm thrilled. I'm town. I know I'm town. If someone else that's town realizes I'm town, that's one less person that I need to convince and 1 less mislynch that town wastes.
Unless that person is scum of course. Like you say "If someone else that's town realizes I'm town" well how would you know that person is town? You wouldn't of course. And when the reasoning is terrible (ie: like urs was) it should immediately raise ur eyebrows. On February 13 2014 12:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:k IamRob reminds me alot of vayne in his early games where has a big ego about his play and thinks that everyone else is wrong about the way mafia should be played. So while I think it's bad play, I do think it's town play. I really didn't like how rayn jumped all over him for it since I think it looked like he was just trying to find something to jump on and I feel like rayn should know better. He's since backed off but it's possible it's just cause IamRob gave him no choice by the amount of posting he's doing.Really don't like Mattchew right now. Everyone of his posts seem carefully non-confrontational and he's giving out way too many town reads. By my count he's had townreads on vivax, iamrobik, quantum and rayn while the closest thing to a scumread is this: On February 13 2014 06:27 Mattchew wrote:
Is lynch grack and not look back I'm not sure if he actually thinks grack is scum or not since that's all he says about him. I think these first 3 quotes in JJD's filter are rather scummy. The first thing he does is attack Robik alongside Rayn, and then when the thread comes to the conclusion that Robik is town he comes back and says he thinks Robik is just bad and that he suspects Rayn for attacking Robik. I don't really understand this from a town POV because earlier he thought that Robik was suspicious, so Rayn pushing him should still feel justified and shouldn't have felt like Rayn was just looking to find something to jump on. Rayn was like totally all over Irubik, making a ton of posts, calling him scum, and eventually voting for him. All I did was question a few of his posts. I mean, u really think it's scummy to have my first bunch of posts attack the 2 most active posters? You didn't question his posts you called him suspicious. And then when town accepted Robik as town you came back and accused Rayn of being scum for calling town-Robik scum. It has nothing to do with them being active; I question your mindset. It's highly unusual to suspect someone for sharing a thought process you had previously subscribed to. I didn't say he was suspicious. I said I was suspicious of him. That may seem like semantics but I never called him scum or made any type of push.Town accepted him as town because of his posting. The same reason I did. And then afterwards I went back and didn't like what I saw from rayn based on that. I think that's a perfectly natural progression. I don't think it's unusual to suspect someone for "thinking" how you previously thought yourself when you were actually wrong. If you want to know why I changed my vote it was because this was such a bad response to what I called him out on. bad point on me moving my vote is bad and to say that is better than anything you've read in thread surprises me. And yet you didnt mention this response that was supposedly so terrible that you had no choice but to switch off the person who had one of the strongest cases you've seen in several games? Why would you not point out that this is why ur voting for me to the rest of the town so they can see how scummy I am? You're trying to rewrite history after the fact.
On February 19 2014 12:59 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2014 12:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 19 2014 12:30 Grackaroni wrote:On February 19 2014 12:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 19 2014 12:09 Grackaroni wrote:On February 13 2014 06:00 JarJarDrinks wrote:Suspicious of IAmRobik. I don't like that he sheeped a townread on VIVAX420s 1 post. I thought he was joking @ first but he went on to defend it. And I really don't like that thinks its scummy that vivax would question it: On February 13 2014 05:44 IAmRobik wrote:
Additionally, your post questioning it is awkward. If someone calls me town I'd be happy as all hell. It's d1. Who gives a damn really on any sort of rationalizaiton. That's like the opposite of how a townie should think. If someone gives you a townread for no good reason, how do you not immediately get suspicious of that person? On February 13 2014 06:17 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 13 2014 06:07 IAmRobik wrote:
2) I don't think that's the opposite of how town should think. If people have reads that they want to keep to themselves for the time being that's fine. If people want to put out reads just to promote conversation that's fine too. If I'm called town I'm thrilled. I'm town. I know I'm town. If someone else that's town realizes I'm town, that's one less person that I need to convince and 1 less mislynch that town wastes.
Unless that person is scum of course. Like you say "If someone else that's town realizes I'm town" well how would you know that person is town? You wouldn't of course. And when the reasoning is terrible (ie: like urs was) it should immediately raise ur eyebrows. On February 13 2014 12:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:k IamRob reminds me alot of vayne in his early games where has a big ego about his play and thinks that everyone else is wrong about the way mafia should be played. So while I think it's bad play, I do think it's town play. I really didn't like how rayn jumped all over him for it since I think it looked like he was just trying to find something to jump on and I feel like rayn should know better. He's since backed off but it's possible it's just cause IamRob gave him no choice by the amount of posting he's doing.Really don't like Mattchew right now. Everyone of his posts seem carefully non-confrontational and he's giving out way too many town reads. By my count he's had townreads on vivax, iamrobik, quantum and rayn while the closest thing to a scumread is this: On February 13 2014 06:27 Mattchew wrote:
Is lynch grack and not look back I'm not sure if he actually thinks grack is scum or not since that's all he says about him. I think these first 3 quotes in JJD's filter are rather scummy. The first thing he does is attack Robik alongside Rayn, and then when the thread comes to the conclusion that Robik is town he comes back and says he thinks Robik is just bad and that he suspects Rayn for attacking Robik. I don't really understand this from a town POV because earlier he thought that Robik was suspicious, so Rayn pushing him should still feel justified and shouldn't have felt like Rayn was just looking to find something to jump on. Rayn was like totally all over Irubik, making a ton of posts, calling him scum, and eventually voting for him. All I did was question a few of his posts. I mean, u really think it's scummy to have my first bunch of posts attack the 2 most active posters? You didn't question his posts you called him suspicious. And then when town accepted Robik as town you came back and accused Rayn of being scum for calling town-Robik scum. It has nothing to do with them being active; I question your mindset. It's highly unusual to suspect someone for sharing a thought process you had previously subscribed to. I didn't say he was suspicious. I said I was suspicious of him. That may seem like semantics but I never called him scum or made any type of push. Town accepted him as town because of his posting. The same reason I did. And then afterwards I went back and didn't like what I saw from rayn based on that. I think that's a perfectly natural progression. I don't think it's unusual to suspect someone for "thinking" how you previously thought yourself when you were actually wrong. I don't think it's natural - If I were to start posting a lot of content now do you think others should view you with suspicion for attacking my earlier posts? Even if you no longer felt Robik was scummy because he continued posting, that doesn't mean Rayn wasn't originally attacking something you felt was scummy (hence Rayn's posts should be pro-town, and not be described as him looking for something to jump on) Your semantics defense is nonsense, and to be perfectly honest it seemed as if it took you a while to come up with that nonsense.
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And yeah I felt like switching because your response was that bad.
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I don't know how you rationalize that being better. Now it's ok to attack Rayn for doing the same thing as you because you were suspicious of him but didn't try to push him/call him scum.
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Kush you change your mind massively every 10 minutes. Take for example 1 picture.
Grack posted his town seal -this makes him town
On February 14 2014 11:16 VIVAX420 wrote:
grack is confirmed town
On February 14 2014 11:33 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 11:24 Grackaroni wrote:On February 14 2014 11:16 VIVAX420 wrote:
grack is confirmed town Because of the seal? yeah 100% because of the seal
Grack posted his seal - this is null
On February 19 2014 06:39 VIVAX420 wrote:
@rob the seal doesn't confirm grack. i think he's town but not because of the seal. not giving reasons so dont ask
Grack posted his seal - this makes him scummy
On February 20 2014 02:52 VIVAX420 wrote:
If you are town there's no reason for you to post the seal. You said you were going to try hard this game.
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lol that's not a matter of evolving; that's just plain chaos. You interpret one very simple action in every way possible.
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On February 14 2014 08:10 VIVAX420 wrote:
wassup grack, you called?
qp town
grack town
On February 14 2014 08:16 VIVAX420 wrote:
only thing that makes me think shiaopi might be town is that he is so aggro. That is a pretty bad reason though. Also I have no idea what his meta is.
It didn't really seem like you were joking?
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TL has a lot of elitists. Even the trolls on TL are elitists 
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Could you think back why you thought I was town before the seal? Because I believe Vivax had been advocating for my lynch.
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On February 20 2014 04:48 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 04:39 Grackaroni wrote:
Could you think back why you thought I was town before the seal? Because I believe Vivax had been advocating for my lynch. it was a stupid reason. Are you really pretending to consider the possibility that vivax420 is scum?
I'll pretend to consider anything.
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On February 20 2014 05:17 Mordanis wrote:
Grack, how do you feel about lynching bum today?
I think you should ignore bum right now. Read through today's pages and comment on something besides him.
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On February 20 2014 07:17 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 07:14 Mordanis wrote:On February 20 2014 06:55 VIVAX420 wrote:
But actually, he's not the one I'd lynch today. But for now I don't trust the hydra in choosing a lynch given the displayed attitude. So who would you lynch today if you had your druthers Gotta decide between sidesprang and a few others.But as it should suggest mostly sidesprang. His wagon wasn't as easily pushed as Shiao's, during D1, so I'll take a second look at things. Sitll don't wanna decide cause I need to dive some more.
That doesn't really line up well at all with Kushm4sta's scum team. You guys have only one vote.
Important question, who is better at this game?
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Please feel free to argue it out in thread and not in QT.
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On February 20 2014 07:23 VIVAX420 wrote:
grack how's all that drama in the scum qt?
Bummers and Rayn disappeared. Mocsta is bitching about how good you are at catching him.
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On February 20 2014 07:40 VIVAX420 wrote:hi.
I bet if you flip scum I will be confirmed town.
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Oh cool I was getting kind of nervous about you.
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I think we never properly addressed the issue of who is the better scum hunter in your hydra. 1 vote - who shall prevail?
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Kush started capitalizing his posts earlier. It really made things confusing.
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On February 20 2014 11:43 VIVAX420 wrote:
grack you need to open up that qt and give your team a pep talk
Nah that's not a good role for me. If i'm the only one on my team posting then I think it's time to call it.
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How confident are you that I am flipping mafia?
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Sorry Kush. I'm the only one that ever calls out scum teams in my posts.
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My team picked up some new blood to compensate for all of the quitters 
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eh I haven't actually read any of his filter. I just haven't been impressed by your reasons and I don't see town lurkers ever voting off an active player over another lurker. Rayn might be hammered if he is town and scum jump on.
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That is without a real case aside from "I'm kush - I own Mocsta. kill kill kill"
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On February 20 2014 13:33 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 13:30 Grackaroni wrote:
eh I haven't actually read any of his filter. I just haven't been impressed by your reasons and I don't see town lurkers ever voting off an active player over another lurker. Rayn might be hammered if he is town and scum jump on. can you elaborate on this? i dont really get what you are referring to. ~~ The case on mocsta is not. Basically his reasons for thinking people are scum are not as good as they would be if he were town.
And this game has been really slow and nobody has had good reasons for pushing anyone except for really Gumshoe. (And myself obvz  )
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On February 20 2014 13:37 VIVAX420 wrote:grack can you explain what you mean by Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 13:30 Grackaroni wrote:
eh I haven't actually read any of his filter. I just haven't been impressed by your reasons and I don't see town lurkers ever voting off an active player over another lurker. Rayn might be hammered if he is town and scum jump on. who is the town lurker?? i dont know what you are talking about withthis.
It's the same thing I've been saying like all day. It's a waste of time to focus on Rayn right now for 2 reasons:
1) your case is shitty regardless of his alignment.
2) You need to convince 6 townies to lynch scum Rayn today. That will not (and really should not) happen. If Rayn ends up getting lynched it's going to be because he was town and scum voted him.
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I don't know why you are making this day so difficult. You guys hammered ShiaoPi without much of a case and then a good case came on Mattchew and nobody wants to kill him.
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The fact that Mattchew avoids conflict in multiple instances which doesn't seem in line with his normal play.
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I don't think it's garbage. Better than the cases I see written by the majority of veterans.
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On February 20 2014 13:49 Mattchew wrote:
I hate excuse posts, I will (try my fucking hardest to) post more in the future, but not tonight
You haven't really posted anything worthwhile since day1? And that was 6 days ago.
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On February 20 2014 13:53 VIVAX420 wrote:
grack you working on answering that question i asked?
I liked the posts where he is weirdly passive towards Rayn. And I would reword it to say that I've seen stronger cases before (such as Artanis on Mocsta in time to die), but not from the content given in this game and not that I could have created this game.
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On February 17 2014 01:42 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2014 01:39 roundabound wrote:
Actually a serious question Mattchew; Do you even read what people's posts say and do you think why do they say what they do?
~rayn i have my way of getting reads, you have yours, if you want to insult my reads you better be damn sure yours are correct
this one
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Eh I reread it I see what you mean with the over exaggeration.
Because it's a lot more passive (and like he said diplomatic) than you would normally expect from Mattchew.
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lol it's not even my case. Why do I get stuck spending all day arguing with you. I like that Meta. I think Mattchew is an aggressive player. I think that it is strange that Mattchew seems to be avoiding arguing with Rayn. I thought it was weird that he backed off on town reading QP just because Rayn said it was stupid. I think it's strange that he's done nothing all game long when people wrote him off as town. I think it's strange that nobody is willing to kill him right now.
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I told you guys if we don't lynch we can't lose.
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I think we can go for the longest TL mafia game record.
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ha I screwed up Marv's vote count.
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oh no I didn't. Vote threads and such. Oh well I'll stay on Mattchew.
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On February 22 2014 01:58 Mattchew wrote:
Vivax your case rules, gumshoe is mafia as fuck
lulz you fucker.
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I do think you're town Kush/Vivax, but I am pretty doubtful that Mattchew would still be alive at this point if he was town.
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Idk I think I'd rather lynch Roundabound over Gumshoe.
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On February 17 2014 01:11 gumshoe wrote:
Helop again, prior to my" train wreck " post I had a pretty generic catchup one in the works. Didn't have much to contribute in there except for a scum read on Mattchew, Who I feel has played pretty loosely and I still think is likely scum. I consider Mocsta a pretty serious player , so when he scum claims I tend to bilieve it, it was in fact a slow game, and I could easily see him getting fed up with a newb scum team, so I ran away with the idea and provided my own reads based off what I considered a likely fact instead of just repeating what other players have already said( been a slow game) If Mocsta is actually town, he's done something extremely cruel to his other head, especially considering how much work rayns put into the game. That said, if we're intent on not lynching him then I'm just going to ignore mocstas posts going forward, and I'll just consider Rayn as round, because I have no idea what Moc wants out of this game( clearly not to win) and if we're not lynching him then there's nothing to be done about a player whose not playing to his win con. As for side, again I don't read him as scummy, he's so brazenly bad ) : like he's proud of it, I can't justify his behaviour if he's scum, he's doing effectively nothing to upset town or prevent his own lynch.
Rob, any questions for me? Do you think Matt and Shias could be scum together?
I will agree this is odd from Gumshoe. It looks like he still thinks Roundabound will flip scum, but he doesn't really feel that it's worth pursuing/talking about since town isn't interested in lynching him.
At the same time he mentioned something else before about taking a risk of putting out an unpopular case and this might just be Gumshoe's mindset as town. BUT that in itself is a pretty scummy way of thinking. My conclusion: I'll just sheep w/e VIVAX420 does because I have no idea what the fuck is going on.
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On February 22 2014 02:37 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 02:25 Grackaroni wrote:On February 17 2014 01:11 gumshoe wrote:
Helop again, prior to my" train wreck " post I had a pretty generic catchup one in the works. Didn't have much to contribute in there except for a scum read on Mattchew, Who I feel has played pretty loosely and I still think is likely scum. I consider Mocsta a pretty serious player , so when he scum claims I tend to bilieve it, it was in fact a slow game, and I could easily see him getting fed up with a newb scum team, so I ran away with the idea and provided my own reads based off what I considered a likely fact instead of just repeating what other players have already said( been a slow game) If Mocsta is actually town, he's done something extremely cruel to his other head, especially considering how much work rayns put into the game. That said, if we're intent on not lynching him then I'm just going to ignore mocstas posts going forward, and I'll just consider Rayn as round, because I have no idea what Moc wants out of this game( clearly not to win) and if we're not lynching him then there's nothing to be done about a player whose not playing to his win con. As for side, again I don't read him as scummy, he's so brazenly bad ) : like he's proud of it, I can't justify his behaviour if he's scum, he's doing effectively nothing to upset town or prevent his own lynch.
Rob, any questions for me? Do you think Matt and Shias could be scum together? I will agree this is odd from Gumshoe. It looks like he still thinks Roundabound will flip scum, but he doesn't really feel that it's worth pursuing/talking about since town isn't interested in lynching him. At the same time he mentioned something else before about taking a risk of putting out an unpopular case and this might just be Gumshoe's mindset as town. BUT that in itself is a pretty scummy way of thinking. My conclusion: I'll just sheep w/e VIVAX420 does because I have no idea what the fuck is going on. My mindset as town is to get mislynched day 1 or two : P
That's what I am considering lol (except it would be you compensating for getting mislynched day1/2 a lot and having a mindset as town of being more concerned with avoiding the lynch then attacking scum)
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The only advantage there is if mafia had some reason to believe that he was cop and he gets healed. (Which is unlikely)
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I don't really know why people keep mentioning him as a blue snipe really; It seemed like a pretty straight forward kill.
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Yeah can we just kill Mattchew? His filter is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen for 9 days worth of play time and it's coming from somebody that plays on here frequently. (rather than somebody who just wanted to try it out and got bored and quit posting)
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On February 22 2014 03:26 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2014 03:23 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah can we just kill Mattchew? His filter is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen for 9 days worth of play time and it's coming from somebody that plays on here frequently. (rather than somebody who just wanted to try it out and got bored and quit posting) Sorry bro I know you don't mind rushing into the night cause you perfectly know yourself how unvaluable a target you are for mafia, if you aren't mafia yourself already, but I like to be around useful townies who the mafia didn't manage to remove from the game yet cause the day is too fucking long for their taste.
nah I'm a boss.
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You aren't even voting for anyone lol. I think it would be reasonable to assume that you are content to sit here for another year asking pointless questions.
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Let's all flip Mattchew so that I can laugh at Vivax if he flips scum.
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Dragging this on is only going to demotivate people like myself and make people lose interest in the game.
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Well then I'm pretty much done posting for this cycle because it's literally not fun to me as a player. If I had known the days would look like this then I wouldn't have joined.
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shhh. If you haven't noticed I'm illiterate.
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I'm going to unvote for now because I'm feeling kind of motivated to figure this out. That modkill honestly helps us out a great deal - we still have 2 mislynches and we don't have to worry about Sidesprang being one of them.
I'm quite confident that Robik and Vivax420 are town. I know that I'm town (although other people don't know that) If I just take a shot in the dark it's a 50/50 scum lynch so we should be able to win this.
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Why are you voting yourself?
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lol I'm just going to assume butt-hurt scum.
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On February 22 2014 12:06 JarJarDrinks wrote:grack instead of IAR
I believe that was a troll scum team.
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that was 2 days later lol
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This one really got away from us lol. I blame all those lazy people that didn't read the thread.
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Yep he's super scummy. (I say this because if I'm wrong and they flip town I can just blame them afterwards)
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lol why does this game revolve around me. You guys are all just trolling me.
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Actually I thought about it Roundabound is definitely scum.
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All town vote for Roundabound tomorrow. He's having way too much fun right now.
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IML is fine. It's the never-ending deadline in a game filled with lurkers.
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On February 23 2014 04:28 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah I'm not pleased with how this game turned out either >:|
Vivax420 was modkilled because we warned them off the homophobic language earlier and they did not stop. Use of "dicksucking" and "gayfk" is not acceptable on TL and it's not acceptable in my games. I'm sorry that it caused town to lose, but I couldn't not modkill him.
We were going to lose anyway lol. GG and better luck with the next game you host.
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Now I will remember Gumshoe's meta.
Scum = write case
town = get modkilled for afk.
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What was the deal with that RB anyway? Who's idea was it/was it intentional?
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I think so. it probably would have ended with JJD voting me the next day + a vote switch or Rayn/Mocsta getting lynched and then town falling apart after that without Kush because he was the only one analyzing things.
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