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On February 13 2014 05:39 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 05:36 IAmRobik wrote:On February 13 2014 05:35 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 13 2014 04:07 Mattchew wrote:
vivax is top town
I only have one question.
QuantumPope, are you a man? First, that's kush. Second, why is that top town? ~V is this a question specifically for chewy? For anyone agreeing with him it is. Let's hear reasons behind things people say shan't we? Mattchew seems to be pleased with quick conclusions without explanation, but maybe you have one.
On February 13 2014 05:48 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 05:40 Mattchew wrote:On February 13 2014 05:35 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 13 2014 04:07 Mattchew wrote:
vivax is top town
I only have one question.
QuantumPope, are you a man? First, that's kush. Second, why is that top town? ~V no fucks given attitude iamrobik and quantum probably town too It doesn't help if you say which people you think are town. It helps mafia in finding their targets, and doesn't help us finding scum.
I am also interested in why they say stuff like this, and then nothing. No follow up.
Vivax kinda +1's my thoughts at the time on Rob, then does nothing about it. I would also think he gets why i said what i did and why i backed off from my scumread on him. Weird..
~rayn
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Let me look into sidesprang. I absolutely hate those tone reads people do, it never works, especially when you have not played with the dude like.. a lot. I'll look into Titanic II and Shadowed game if there are any conclusions to draw.
~rayn
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I have no problems with Mattchew because of meta, i have never played with him. I have a problem with him saying half-arsed stuff.
~rayn
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I don't see how that sidesprang post comes off as "most mafia nervous post"?? It's a clear answer to a stupid question, discussing setup is a waste of time and anyone could figure that out by themselves. I on't get how do you come to that conclusion thrawn, it does not really line up with sidesprang's posting as town or as mafia either.
~rayn
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I am +1'ing sidesprang's question; Why would mafia be nervous talking about setup?
~rayn
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So kush what's wrong in Mordanis' posting?
~rayn
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Yes that's a bad conclusion, is there anything else?
~rayn
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On February 13 2014 22:02 VIVAX420 wrote:he's assuming we have a "hell of a scumread" on everyone we ask a question of. Also that question that he said didn't belond was actually my question, and everyone else was vivax. Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 09:06 Mordanis wrote:On vivax I really don't like the way that vivax posted fluff, gave someone else evidence to start a case, and then left it all alone for everyone else to take care of, and then disappeared right afterwards. And then there's this post: On February 13 2014 06:17 VIVAX420 wrote:On February 13 2014 06:16 IAmRobik wrote:
People try to shush me when I play live games cause I talk to much...but in these games I'm free to provide all the content that I want! do you talk a lot as scum too? vivax goes from one hell of a scum read on thrawn (without really pushing anything) to one hell of a town read on Robik (without telling us why). In short, vivax seems incredibly confident about being right but hasn't really done anything useful aside from helping another player make a case. That seems like as much of a scum mindset as you can get.
Ehh, where does he say you have a hell of a scumread on everyone you question?
Saying you have a hell of a scumread on thrawn at that time is not that wrong imo, because Vivax said he had found mafia in thrawn, made a case and voted for him. What is it if not a scumread?
I am curious, you call Mordanis noob town because his posts are "so wrong". Me and thrawn are not noobs and we have come to quite similar conclusion about your posting (that there is not much substance behind your posts). Why don't you have a scumread on us? What's different?
~rayn
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Nevermind you never voted for thrawn..
~rayn
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The alliance thing was a joke. At the time i agreed with him because he was basically saying people are making a big deal out of nothing and being tryhard and there was nothing much interesting going on.
~rayn
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But regarding my read on Grack, he's null. Useless atm. He can unfortunately be useless as town or as scum. Hopefully he says something useful, atm he is unreadble.
~rayn
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On February 14 2014 00:15 IAmRobik wrote:Also, if you had to read into his post, what would you say about it. I, personally, don't know what to take out of his verbiage: Show nested quote +Rayn, I'm worried. These guys are super bloodthirsty. Let us form an alliance to protect ourselves. specifically the bolded words. If I had to guess, it's trying to buddy up to a town.
Ehh.. Grackaroni can (and will) basically say whatever he wants as either alignment. He has claimed to be a scumbuddy of a scum we lynched right after a couple of games ago. He can claim scum as town or as mafia etc.
I don't really think that reads as anything other than "geez these guys are tryhard". I mean the wording does not mean pretty much anything, because Grack knows especially i don't give people townreads for buddying if i feel like people should not read me as town at that point.
~rayn
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EBWOP: "He has claimed to be a scumbuddy of a scum we lynched right after a couple of games ago as town!
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@JJD
On February 13 2014 22:26 VIVAX420 wrote:
i thought more about mattchew's comment on sidespring.
the post itself wasn't nervous, but I think it might show nervousness that he chose to talk about setup over everything else. On February 13 2014 22:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
This is pretty much how I feel. Scum is looking for something "safe" to talk about. The fact that of all the things in the thread he could respond to, he chose setup talk, is scummy IMO.
Firstly, regarding "safe" topics being scummy. Why is DNP not on your comment agenda?
Secondly, Vivax420 refers to the setup discussion as potentially showing "nervousness". *YOUR* phrasing is much more specific, i.e. "scummy".
Why is sidesprings retort void?
On February 13 2014 17:25 sidesprang wrote:
And why would scum be nervous talking about setup?
Further,
On February 13 2014 12:57 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Really don't like Mattchew right now. Everyone of his posts seem carefully non-confrontational and he's giving out way too many town reads. What is your current read on Mattchew; considering you are effectively "safely" +1'n his read.
~moc
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IAmRobik gimme an half of hour. I'll go through Mordanis' posts again and give an updated read on him after dinner.
~rayn
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On February 14 2014 00:43 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:
Why is DNP not on your comment agenda? DNP has made a single post that is obviously not a very good looking post. Didn't think I should spend too much time discussing obvious stuff. Hopefully he posts more. "Hopefully".. and what happens if he doesnt?
This end remark is not congruent with the opening remark.
Is DNP a person of suspicion or not...
Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:Why is sidesprings retort void? On February 13 2014 17:25 sidesprang wrote:
And why would scum be nervous talking about setup?
I don't think scum would be nervous talking about setup. I think it's scummy that setup is the only thing he chose to discuss.
The game started on page 14.
Sidespring made the post in question on page 16 at the behest of Robik.
Since then, his posts have been responding (somewhat) to accusations regarding him.
I have seen plenty of town only discuss setup early game; you have failed to elucidate me towards why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset.
Show nested quote +On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:
What is your current read on Mattchew; considering you are effectively "safely" +1'n his read. Like I said I don't like the way Mattchew looks. So yeah I have 2 scumreads indpendant of each other that don't really mesh well as scumbuddies.
Are you keeping Sidesprang/Mattchew as a scum team; or are you rescinding a read?
~moc
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On February 14 2014 01:03 JarJarDrinks wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 14 2014 00:53 roundabound wrote:
Is DNP a person of suspicion or not... Yes. would lynch On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:
I have seen plenty of town only discuss setup early game; you have failed to elucidate me towards why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset. scummy <> only indicative of a mafia mindset. You read DNP as scum because he made 1 shitty post and then peaced. I have seen plenty of town make 1 shitty post and go awol for a while. Can you tell me why this tell is only indicative of a mafia mindset? On February 14 2014 00:28 roundabound wrote:
So what is the outcome?
Are you keeping Sidesprang/Mattchew as a scum team; or are you rescinding a read? Uh neither. I think they are both scummy but I think it's unlikely that they are both scum together. Is something wrong w/ that?
JJD,
my core issue can be summed as:
#1: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435582&user=JarJarDrinks
(Town Filter from BttB)
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#2:
On February 13 2014 22:42 JarJarDrinks wrote:
This is pretty much how I feel. Scum is looking for something "safe" to talk about. The fact that of all the things in the thread he could respond to, he chose setup talk, is scummy IMO.
Specifically,
#1 - As town you come out of BttB with the intent to do your own thing, call your own shots. Of note, you outline your positions in detail and are certainly not afraid to go against the grain.
#2
In this game, your filter is undeniably more passive than BttB. It is also full of +1's such that twice now you have agreed with the scum reads of people *YOU* previously declared as scummy. (roundabound with DNP, and mattchew with sidesprang).
Now, we could argue that in the time since BttB you have matured and become a better person. Thus, meta is out the window.
OR, we could go with the simpler solution and deduce that your sudden lack of a backbone is synonymous with rolling mafia.
What sayeth you.
~moc
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On Mordanis:
On February 13 2014 06:28 Mordanis wrote:
I'm a little confused... Robik, are you really voting for thrawn for posting "hmmm", or is there more behind it?
On a side note, I think its looking a bit sketchy that it seems like we already have a vote on thrawn (for "hmm") and vivax building a meta case on him for lurking a few hours into the game, it feels like teamwork or opportunistic scum play...
I liked this post because it aligns with my thoughts at that time (VIVAX' "attack" on thrawn didn't seem so dandy). While the ultimate conclusion is pretty rofl, the intent of this post seems legit.
I liked the fact he questioned Rob, one of the people who in his opinion deserved a better look. Makes sense. Later on he seems to be having a scumread on VIVAX (i think?). Makes sense.
Okay, he thinks VIVAX is scummier of the two. What bothers me is that he does not question VIVAX at all about their actions. Something is scummy there, but there is no case nor questioning. That is fishy. I can understand Mordanis thinks this is the most important thing from town pov atm, but if it is so, (1) why does he not want to find out more about VIVAX, or (2) make a case if he thinks they are mafia? If not 1 or 2, why does he not comment on other things?
TLDR; I can see where Mordanis is coming from with his train of thought at it makes sense but the lack of him actually pushing anything makes me think it's possible he is mafia. So yes Robik, i have changed my mind on him since i last talked about him. Definitely not the scummies person in thread but possibly scum.
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On February 14 2014 02:57 VIVAX420 wrote:Well what I don't like about Mordanis is the fact that he doesn't seem the least bit suspicious about thrawn. When a guy is lurking and posting nonsense you would actually want him to post more and better stuff so you can get a read on him. Hence I can't explain from a town pov why he doesn't want thrawn to be pressured, and thrawn himself already pointed out: Show nested quote +
Mordanis could be scum, his suspicions of vivax/robik look like they stem from him having knowledge of my alignment. He's suspicious of people because of their suspicions of a townie which is classic fake-scumhunting.
Well this is a terrible post. First of all how is it possible that you are suspicious of thrawn and then you agree with him because what he says is "Mordanis could be scum because i am town and he does not seem to be trying to find out if i am town or not". Noone but thrawn can agree with what he says, because if you are not thrawn and town you can't know thrawn's alignement. Second, there is absolutely nothing that was scummy in thrawns posting at that time. Your case was fucking bad, you can't possibly think someone is "lurking" or "playing to his scum meta" based on one hour of the game. I don't even care if it's Vivax or kush posting but that's so fucking ridiculous if you are going to push anything based on that you are mafia and we lynch you.
So, was your case on thrawn good or not?
~rayn
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On February 14 2014 03:16 IAmRobik wrote:
I started typing up a response to your question for vivax, but I'll let him respond. I don't want to put words in his mouth. I will say that I thought that "Hence I can't explain from a town pov why he doesn't want thrawn to be pressured" seems very logical. Maybe I'm misreading things, but I'm starting to like Vivax based off of the questions that he's asking and the logic that he's bringing.
That's because as town you don't want shit cases in thread. They distract and do not contribute toward s scumhunting. It's much better if all the cases that are shit are shut down because there is no room for mafia to "choose" the side they take, it gives them less room to hide and promotes the atmosphere where mafia need to ask themselves "if i make this case on a townie what happens? will i be instantly outed?".
Always shut down shit cases. Pressure is one thing, but what Mordanis said about VIVAX' case on thrawn was right, the case was terrible.
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