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I've got to go to class for a while, but before I go, I just wanted to elaborate on my previous feelings.
I think the abortive case had some momentum for a second against thrawn is very suspicious. The way Rob voted for Thrawn for lurking, and then !Hey Presto!, vivax comes in showing that thrawn is apparently well known for being lurky as scum, well it all seems very wrong. vivax backed down almost immediately, and Rob stayed the course until thrawn started talking. Now vivax left without any more reads after that. Rob did the *exact* opposite, posting a lot and picking up a read (based on thrawn's thoughts and a joke). Essentially what I'm trying to say here is that the behavior between the two of these definitely warrants more investigation.
On vivax
I really don't like the way that vivax posted fluff, gave someone else evidence to start a case, and then left it all alone for everyone else to take care of, and then disappeared right afterwards. And then there's this post: On February 13 2014 06:17 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 06:16 IAmRobik wrote:
People try to shush me when I play live games cause I talk to much...but in these games I'm free to provide all the content that I want! do you talk a lot as scum too?
vivax goes from one hell of a scum read on thrawn (without really pushing anything) to one hell of a town read on Robik (without telling us why). In short, vivax seems incredibly confident about being right but hasn't really done anything useful aside from helping another player make a case. That seems like as much of a scum mindset as you can get.
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Holy shit it's that forum, those people don't know how to play mafia so i retract from my scumread.
##unvote
To clarify, on 2+2 they have these stupid "cheat sheets" and shit that are like guides but they are really bad. All you need to do is to look happy and you need to be not afraid to say "good morning" or some shit and you are considered pretty much confirmed town. Whenever someone needs to say something that has actually do with a mafia game they claim scum if they are mafia (yes, it happened in the Champions game and i have played with a couple of those dudes later on, every time same thing). Basically they do not know how to analyze posts.
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EBWOP: In case it was not clear that was
~rayn
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so rayn, If you're not voting for anyone right now, what are your best scum reads?
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On February 13 2014 09:16 Mordanis wrote:
so rayn, If you're not voting for anyone right now, what are your best scum reads?
I don't know. Nothing stands out too much besides Mattchew's unexplained shit.
~rayn
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Oh DoNotPanic!'s entrance was really weak.
~rayn
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On February 13 2014 09:24 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 09:16 Mordanis wrote:
so rayn, If you're not voting for anyone right now, what are your best scum reads? I don't know. Nothing stands out too much besides Mattchew's unexplained shit.
~rayn
On February 13 2014 08:51 roundabound wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:49 VIVAX420 wrote:Rayn, if you think Robik is scum bring forth a case, stuff like this On February 13 2014 08:37 roundabound wrote:On February 13 2014 08:30 IAmRobik wrote:On February 13 2014 08:18 roundabound wrote:On February 13 2014 08:13 IAmRobik wrote:On February 13 2014 08:10 roundabound wrote:
I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it..
The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads.
~rayn The only read I didn't back up is the QP read. You're making shit up. I honestly think we're probably two towns fighting but whatever. I'm gonna say it now and I'll continue to say it. I think QP is town. I have my reason for thinking that. I don't know if it's right or not, but I think it. You don't have to believe me. You don't even ahve to listen to me. But I am opposed to lynching QP today. You did not back up your Mattchew read. You could not tell how thrawn was more scummy than for example Grackaroni when you voted for him. You did push lurkers and "bad posting" in the beginning of the game and when your "case" (or whatever that was) on thrawn fell you didn't move on onto other people who had showed behaviour you found scummy at the start of the game. The logic you are saying you use is really fishy in the first place, and you are not even playing to that logic, you only used it on thrawn. Basically nothing you say makes no sense because your actions do not match with you what you call your mindset is.~rayn The bolded sentence at the ended looks like it's been edited 30 times. " nothing you say makes no sense" " with you what you call your" .... we called this SHROOP...scott howard's rule on odd posts. It's what mafia does when they are trying to make a case but have to rewrite what they are saying because they are trying to make up bad arguments Fucking weak. Now you are just making shit up. ~rayn is just provocatory and doesn't help anyone, even if Robik was scum. What are you trying to achieve by contrasting his opinion? You're arguing over mattchew's alignment, but you do it without a real point,I still don't know what you want, rayn. Find out if Robik is scum? Say i'm scummy? Say matt is scummy? I already made a case. Are you not reading at all?
1) He can't back up his reads or is unwilling to explain them.
2) His actions do not make sense and they do not line up with his mindset.
~rayn
Your own case doesn't stand out too much? ~V
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On February 13 2014 09:33 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 09:24 roundabound wrote:On February 13 2014 09:16 Mordanis wrote:
so rayn, If you're not voting for anyone right now, what are your best scum reads? I don't know. Nothing stands out too much besides Mattchew's unexplained shit.
~rayn Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 08:51 roundabound wrote:On February 13 2014 08:49 VIVAX420 wrote:Rayn, if you think Robik is scum bring forth a case, stuff like this On February 13 2014 08:37 roundabound wrote:On February 13 2014 08:30 IAmRobik wrote:On February 13 2014 08:18 roundabound wrote:On February 13 2014 08:13 IAmRobik wrote:On February 13 2014 08:10 roundabound wrote:
I think Mordanis has about the best posts in thread. Yes they are worded a bit awkwardly and idk what that means. He can answer for himself about that. The "brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone" is an obvious joke and everyone should be able to realise it..
The scummiest guy is the one who can't back up his reads and his thought process behind his reads.
~rayn The only read I didn't back up is the QP read. You're making shit up. I honestly think we're probably two towns fighting but whatever. I'm gonna say it now and I'll continue to say it. I think QP is town. I have my reason for thinking that. I don't know if it's right or not, but I think it. You don't have to believe me. You don't even ahve to listen to me. But I am opposed to lynching QP today. You did not back up your Mattchew read. You could not tell how thrawn was more scummy than for example Grackaroni when you voted for him. You did push lurkers and "bad posting" in the beginning of the game and when your "case" (or whatever that was) on thrawn fell you didn't move on onto other people who had showed behaviour you found scummy at the start of the game. The logic you are saying you use is really fishy in the first place, and you are not even playing to that logic, you only used it on thrawn. Basically nothing you say makes no sense because your actions do not match with you what you call your mindset is.~rayn The bolded sentence at the ended looks like it's been edited 30 times. " nothing you say makes no sense" " with you what you call your" .... we called this SHROOP...scott howard's rule on odd posts. It's what mafia does when they are trying to make a case but have to rewrite what they are saying because they are trying to make up bad arguments Fucking weak. Now you are just making shit up. ~rayn is just provocatory and doesn't help anyone, even if Robik was scum. What are you trying to achieve by contrasting his opinion? You're arguing over mattchew's alignment, but you do it without a real point,I still don't know what you want, rayn. Find out if Robik is scum? Say i'm scummy? Say matt is scummy? I already made a case. Are you not reading at all?
1) He can't back up his reads or is unwilling to explain them.
2) His actions do not make sense and they do not line up with his mindset.
~rayn Your own case doesn't stand out too much? ~V
What are you doing Vivax? I just explained why i retracted from my case. Those people do not have reasons for their reads. They make shitty tone reads all game. In Championship game i played in with yamato and VE i made a case on scum 12h into the game because his reads made no sense and they were like really shit. I pushed the case all game long. People never lynched him because "his tone is so townie" (he posted stuff that looked happy or some shit). He was "scum MVP" for like 40% of the players. ROFLLL!!
They don't know how to play mafia or what makes people scum or town. I can't tell if this Rob guy is scum or town because he plays with those people and apparently works like most of those people do.
~rayn
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Rayn, you're a joke of a player. I haven't played there since 2011, but that has nothing to do with anything. You're so proud of yourself for having a good game. Congradufuckinglations. You just pinged out a bunch of characteristics of players on that site and how they play and how they act and none of that applied to how I've played this game so far. The reason you can't read me is cause you don't know how to read people - not because I'm difficult to read. Learn to play the game before you start calling people out. You instantly took back your vote on me cause I played on 2p2 explaining how they project town by being happy go lucky and whatnot. I've been aggressive. I've pinged people. I've changed my reads on people. I've given reads. I don't give 2 fucks if you agree with them or not. You playing this game with the logic of a two year old and from now on I'm going to respond to you in that manner. goo goo ga ga
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Hey Trump...Rayn just called you a fucking trashcan mafia player cause you play(ed) on 2p2. Just want you to know that in case you read this.
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This has nothing to do with 2p2, but is a comment on mafia in general. I don't know how many games you've played with them, but if you are new there (OR IN ANY MAFIA GAME) people are probably not going to take your reads as seriously until you prove yourself. You are acting high and mighty cause no one listened to you call out people. You know what, at least you gave your reads. That's what I'm doing this game. I come into this game knowing that my reads won't be as respected as other players' reads because I haven't played here before. But you know what, I'm not afraid to give them anyway. When the game is over, if I'm right. I'm not gonna go over there and badmouth you for being a trashcan at mafia and tell you that all of TL sucks at mafia cause my reads were right and yours weren't. GOO GOO GA GA
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On February 13 2014 09:46 IAmRobik wrote:
Hey Trump...Rayn just called you a fucking trashcan mafia player cause you play(ed) on 2p2. Just want you to know that in case you read this.
Not really, no. There were also good players there.
I am calling your reads bad because the reasoning behind them and your actions is terrible. That is a fact. But it does not make you mafia given that you have played in environment where there are people who play terribly.
God how you twist my words. 
~rayn
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rayn seems genuine about his read on iamrob, hes probably wrong, but hes def trying and scumhunting the way im used to rayn scum hunting
he can go on the town list too
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And for the record being new in somewhere should not make you any less valuable or less listened to. The game is the same and people who are capable of finding mafia are capable of finding mafia everywhere. That does not change and if someone looks someone else in a different light for some stupid reason like "i have never played with him so i don't trust his judgement as i trust others" that's already bad play.
Anyways this argument is really stupid.
~rayn
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What reads are terrible. You've yet to substantiate any of these statements. The only thing that you said was that I can't use the same reads in a video version of the game as I do in forum mafia. That doesn't mean that my reasonings are terrible. Also, you're saying that reading for tone is useless. That's a joke of a statement and shows that your game lacks depth. Also, please explain what you mean by my "actions" are terrible. What does that statement even mean. What actions? my voting? my unvoting? calling out a player that I thought was scummy and not another player. Why do I have to notice every single player at once? That's nonsense. I notice that a player that posted 3 times said absolutely nothing....I'll go ahead and find his first three posts and you tell me that they're "towny" posts.......
On February 13 2014 03:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
hmmm
On February 13 2014 04:07 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2014 03:46 IAmRobik wrote:On February 13 2014 03:42 thrawn2112 wrote:
hmmm This is a terrible first post and is grounds for lynching. no pls dont i'm town
On February 13 2014 05:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
heh
I was pinging him out and that was his response to me. You can go look up what I said on your own if you want to. Those were irrational responses to what I was saying and I called him scummy and voted on him for that. Just because I didn't do the same thing with Grackoni for saying
On February 13 2014 03:37 Grackaroni wrote:
No worries there this forum loves spamming.
doesn't change anything with regards to my read at that time on Thrawn. It doesn't invalidate my point at all. You calling me out for not pinging every single player that didn't contribute anything is nonsense. As you said, it's 1hr into the start of day 1.
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On February 13 2014 09:53 Mattchew wrote:
rayn seems genuine about his read on iamrob, hes probably wrong, but hes def trying and scumhunting the way im used to rayn scum hunting
he can go on the town list too
yeah, no shit. It's 90%+ chance that it's 2 town fighting, but if he wants to make up bs about my reads and my play then I'll sit here and argue with him all damn game.
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On February 13 2014 10:59 roundabound wrote:
sup
SUP
~moc
FTFY
clearly town
~moc
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Every good game of mafia requires the establishment of connections
How did this player talk to flipped scum; how did that player unvote or vote; so forth and so forth.
I hereby announce the first rules of connection. Location + Post Counts
ShaioPi - Taiwan (2013)
DoNotPanic! - Canada (2)
JarJarDrinks - United States (904)
IAmRobik - United States (60)
roundabound - Niue (44)
VIVAX420 - "" (128)
gumshoe - Canada (1363)
Grackeroni - United States (3432)
QuantumPope - Canada (74)
Mattchew - United States (5480)
Mordanis - United States (733)
Sidesprang - Norway (947)
thrawn2112 - United States (5303)
and most importantly
Blazinghand - United States (16042)
Odds vs Even
Ladies and Gentlemen, 3 scum exist within the following subset:
ShaioPi - Taiwan (2013)
gumshoe - Canada (1363)
Mordanis - United States (733)
thrawn2112 - United States (5303)
Of this 4, thrawn2112 looks the best so far, mainly cos he likes to piss over his keyboard which makes him sexy regardless of alignment !
Thus, early braggers right: {ShaioPi, gumshoe, Mordanis}
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