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On February 19 2014 04:20 gumshoe wrote:
To be honest I only started playing this a couple days ago so I just sorta glazed over the op and wasnt really sure about the setup stuff till now. But ironically enough I do know that there is only one doc or parity, because I got roll blocked which means I knwo theres a tri laner. So either way im right.
WAIT, nm, every setup has a role blocker, I am an idiot.
Also rob is either lying, or we have no power roles whatsoever and god father? 0_o I am so mindfuked right now.
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On February 19 2014 04:24 roundabound wrote:
The case is the same i made on D1 with more words.
Why is it good now Grackaroni and was not good on D1?
~rayn
Are you sure your not Boxer as well? Cause you seem really eager to fight people for no reason.
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Rob do you stand by your claim or is there something you'd like to tell us? I dont really wanna talk about blue roles but seeing as either there not an issue this game or your lying we cant really just let this slide.
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FUCKING WAIT nm, there can be an extra boxer, no reason to really doubt robs claim as of yet.
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this op is so confusing T_T if nobody has any questions for me I'm gonna go clear my head. GL town.
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Helop all, caught up on some stuff, have some thoughts to offer.
It's been a day or so since Matt's posted, I'm all for hearing what he has to say, but If I was in his shoes as scum I wouldn't walk back into thread until I absolutely had to. In fact if scum is certain hes going down no matter what and are pretty confident in their other two members, they might be going for a modkill. A modkill plus a mislynch is pretty much better than town straight up lynching scum, because it allows scum to likely end the game earlier. Alternatively he may have a role and scum might be trying to hold onto him. Point is, if hes scum I dont see him coming back until after the lynch. Which is not a bad play, if he defends himself he may still look like the best lynch option, but if he takes himself off the table entirely he doesn't even have to worry about giving away info in his defence.
We've waited a good while, hes had ample opportunity to adress my case, it hasn't gotten any weaker in his absence and no better one has presented itself. Another 5 day cycle is just going to kill any momentum town has, scum bieng a much smaller faction can mobilize faster and swing votes easier the more desperate we get. The fact that Matt wasnt lynched even though he was at four votes for as long as he was is proof to my eyes at least that this is becoming the case(pretty sure that at least two of the other people on him were town, so scum could have possibly mislynched him if they wanted to, and yet he lived.)
I'm happy where I stand, but if anyone wants me to take an in depth look at any other case I'll do what I can. Moving on to other matters.
The Vivax Rayn war.
At this point I'm resolved to ignore whatever Mocsta says, hes acting pretty childish and I dont think thats townish or scummish. Rayn on the other hand I'm kinda sure is town, when hes scum Rayn tends to never let go of things because hes afraid of looking flip floppy. This game though Rayn's been putting on alot of pressure but has been willing to back off several times over because he actually wants to lynch scum and not townies who provide him opportunities to ensure mislynches.
Vivax also looks townie, but it is possible for him to be scum if the reason for him starting a fire in the thread was that he was trying to take the heat of Matt.
Notice the tone in this post, the first on in which he demonstrated suspicion of Rayn.
Oh s hit I think ran moc might be scum. Thrawn looks bad also.
it sounds kinda doubtful, (also funny to note how Vivax comes to the conclusion that Thrawn looks bad just before hes shot, in hindsight it makes him look quite good / :, as in why would he ever shoot Thrawn if he was planning on lynching him? That would be crazy...)
after that post he calls out Jar Jar a bit, decrees captain town(rob)to be town, then leaves, promising reasons for his reads upon his return.
When he does come back he is completely resolved.
mocsta/rayn scum you heard it here first.
owned once again mocsta.
At this point in the game Vivax's/ Kush's (or whatever you wanna call it) posting completely changes, it goes from reasoned and inquisitive to inflammatory and derogatory. All without an actual argument for what seems like an eternity.
theres at least a page of posts like this.
hmm rayn why did you get so mad?
ur caught son. i owned you with my superior mafia skills.
actually rayn, this game i caught you because of YOUR terrible play, not mocstas
The goal of the game isnt to convince scum that they're scum, it's to convince the rest of town. Vivax is doing his case no favours here. Which makes me suspect that his immediate goal wasn't to get Rayn lynched.
Eventually Vivax calms down and stops posting like a lunatic, but only after my case on Matt has lost a great deal of momentum. If we consider them partners, then what better way for Vivax to take the heat off Matt than by shitting up the thread. In fact he only started acting like an ass a few hours after my case was posted, before then his tone suggested that he was just suspicious of Rayn, not certain of his guilt.
Hes probably just being a dick and I definitely would not lynch him before Matt, but when Matt comes back red, It wouldn't be a bad idea to take a long look at this most ravenous of hydras.
Next up, Bumatlarge. His only noteworthy post since the day 1 lynch.
Bum: Let's chat mord. I probably did get too hung up on Round, but I did everything I could to get a better understanding of ShiaoPi's play this game. No one questioned his views from a town standpoint, and i think you can see why I was trying to stall the lynch on him by the other post you call me scummy for. Nothing I did indicated I knew anything about ShiaoPi's alignment, and I have him every opportunity to explain himself. I'll take the blame for lynching a townie, but what ou are looking for in my posts require assumptions about my alignment. Look at my reasoning from a town viewpoint, and I can guarantee it makes sense.
I'll answer anything I missed if you want. I'm going to try to figure out Matthew, but it may take me some time to do him justice. I suggest going slow again this cycle.
This post is one of reconciliation self defense and diffiusal, he provides no new reads whatsoever, and promises to look at the Matt case, but never does...
Bum effectively sealed the Shiapi lynch and since then hes done nothing for town. Oh but he sure does sound sorry ) : Probably the second scummer.
Mord: Has been pretty active since coming back, would like to hear from him on someone other than Bum though, because as much as I too have my suspicions of Bum, I dont think the case against him is good enough to warrant full on tunneling. I honestly had Mord pegged as scum coming into day 2 but im upgrading him to null in hopes that he keeps contributing and makes his true allegiances clear.
Finally: Grack Sidespring and Jar Jar: Have these guys together as null because they might all be townie or scummie for pretty much the same reason, and that reason is derp ) : a flip on one of these guys could come up purple for all we know. I probably wouldn't lynch any of them before Matt.
Anyone have any questions for me?
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On February 20 2014 08:25 VIVAX420 wrote:
Gumshoe. You quote Kush when you mention the inflammatoy part. Please refer to us as kushax or something like that. I don't want people to think that that was me (which makes the change of tone a change of player)
Then sign your name please.
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On February 20 2014 08:25 VIVAX420 wrote:
Gumshoe. You quote Kush when you mention the inflammatoy part. Please refer to us as kushax or something like that. I don't want people to think that that was me (which makes the change of tone a change of player)
Even if Kush doesnt do it, so long as you do I can tell between you guys, otherwise yah cant complain If I consider you an archon.
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On February 20 2014 10:26 bumatlarge wrote:
I am totally here and not busy or anything.
Hydras dont have to sign shit, im kinda surprised they were.
Of all the fucking things you felt the need to comment on coming back it's this!? Ok bum, hydras don't have to sign and can feel free to get offended when they're treated as an individual, no problem, your super duper right. Now who the fuck is scum? Specifically what do you think about Matt, mordanis and jar jar.
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On February 20 2014 11:01 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2014 10:47 gumshoe wrote:On February 20 2014 10:26 bumatlarge wrote:
I am totally here and not busy or anything.
Hydras dont have to sign shit, im kinda surprised they were. Of all the fucking things you felt the need to comment on coming back it's this!? Ok bum, hydras don't have to sign and can feel free to get offended when they're treated as an individual, no problem, your super duper right. Now who the fuck is scum? Specifically what do you think about Matt, mordanis and jar jar. MEGASALT mordanis is chill, other two not so much. What about the sprangside? I feel good about him being scum. I don't feel like putting more effort into my reads, so I'm not going to. Sorry!
You bastard T-T. Whelp can't force you to post, but you better not make us lynch you if your actually town. I too am not inspired by side sprang's play but unlike Matt I think he might actually end up posting now that he's come under pressure. so I'll wait on that.
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On February 21 2014 03:30 IAmRobik wrote:
OK...I'm officially bored. Who are we lynching today? SideSprang, JJD or mordanis ..... or are we actually going to lynch mattchew who hasn't spoken in like 10000 years
Hate to be a broken record but he did promise to talk and yet here we are, for all we know hes just trying to avoid a modkill. Hes proven that hes here and yet he refuses to respond, thats not the matt I know. Everyone defends him as lynch bait, but honestly what does that even mean? Jar jar, shiao, quantam, mordanis, side, thrawn, Half the fuking players in this game were/are lynch bait, that doesn't make any of them more or less likely to be town. Honestly between them all its just a matter of pick your poison, a flip on sidesprang or jar is a solid 50 50, no more no less, because players like them always play suspiciously. But Matt is diffrent, Matt is capable of caring, of coming up with solid cases. Above all he gets angry and fights when he knows hes right. I dont know what past experience you have with him, but this is not my idea of town matt.
If your still soundly resolved not to lynch him, my preference goes to Bum, he back pedalled on side sprang (his only read) but didn't offer any scum alternatives (mustve been to busy hiding behind his replacement status).
If your not willing to lynch either of these guys, then out of your selection I find sprang the scummiest since he isn't bothering to help town at all. If Mattchew/Bum absolutely wont happen then I'll compromise on him. If you wanna kill someone outside of those three, you'll probably have to do it without me, I'm not yet desperate enough to vote for a straight coin flip.
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On February 21 2014 06:14 IAmRobik wrote:
gumshoe, you were rb'd last night, yah?
that's one of the only reasons I don't want to lynch you.
as for bum...I explaining why i think he's town a couple pages back
if push comes to shove, i'll vote mattchew. I don't like the speed at which he got pressured this game especially with the votes d2. We'll see though. I'm down for whatever at this point as long as it's not vivax420, roundabound, me, gumshoe, bum, or grack (i think that's my town circle at the moment)
I was rbed yes, but aside from that why do you want to lynch me? I think my arguments out before I post them, I dont get in insult wars with other townies, I go through filters thoroughly before I take a stance on someone and you can see all that in my history. I opt for quality over quantity and I've produced more with five posts than most people have with twenty. Which is pretty much how I've played as town in games past.
I have stuck my neck out and presented unpopular cases not because I'm yolo red, but because I genuinely want to lynch scum. I have also played entirely transparent and have given town plenty to work with, both on those I consider scummy and myself, which is saying something considering that I didnt even know I was playing this game for two days.
You've done just the same and then some, as a result I and several others have placed our faith in you. You dont have to listen to everything I say, but after I I've delivered to you Mattchews red razor mouse of doom, do have a little bit of that faith in me, given my existing contributions and upcoming accolades(matt slayer!) I dont deserve to have the whims of the trilaner be all that separates me from the noose.
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On February 21 2014 06:41 IAmRobik wrote:
i actually don't hate the people voting mattchew but if he flips town, I might have to reconsider some of my reads.
bear in mind that as the lynch on him gets closer, scum will probally have to jump on him, if theyre smart they may have already done so, so even if/when he flips red, you may still have to reavaluate reads / :
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Yeah in all seriousness I'm not doing that, I signed up to play mafia. I want to asses facts and make reads. I wanna be witness to the cases of others, be they better or worse than my own. I wanna soak it all in and that come to a conclusion based off everything I've learned so far. Above all, I want to convince my fellow townies that my case is right(or sway them on behalf of the one I believe in) and then receive the blissful gratification of having my mark come back red . I did not sign up to break a setup that is endlessly less interesting than the games that setup can produce, if only we are willing and able to be brave and smart and resilient. If we willingly solve the game like this, then were no better then those who get modkilled of thier own volition and ruin the game for everyone else.
In regards to specific modkills, the only one whose going to die potentially is sprang, and him and matt have too little interaction to make a read off that about them. Bum and matt will not get modkilled, they will pop in when they absolutley have to, make promises, and then pop off, never to fulfill them. The only way scum dies is if a) they are awful, or b) we lynch them. So can we stop being cowards and play the game? If anyone has another case i'll gladly hear it out, otherwise lets lynch the scum thats on the table.
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On February 21 2014 08:15 Mordanis wrote:
So by my count, everyone has voted except for Matt and Vivax. Vivax, why have you not voted, it seems like you've had plenty of scumreads.
Mord, bums probally not getting lynched today, are you willing to vote for Matt? If not whats your reasoning?
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On February 21 2014 10:21 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 06:47 gumshoe wrote:On February 21 2014 06:14 IAmRobik wrote:
gumshoe, you were rb'd last night, yah?
that's one of the only reasons I don't want to lynch you.
as for bum...I explaining why i think he's town a couple pages back
if push comes to shove, i'll vote mattchew. I don't like the speed at which he got pressured this game especially with the votes d2. We'll see though. I'm down for whatever at this point as long as it's not vivax420, roundabound, me, gumshoe, bum, or grack (i think that's my town circle at the moment) I was rbed yes, but aside from that why do you want to lynch me? I think my arguments out before I post them, I dont get in insult wars with other townies, I go through filters thoroughly before I take a stance on someone and you can see all that in my history. I opt for quality over quantity and I've produced more with five posts than most people have with twenty. Which is pretty much how I've played as town in games past. I have stuck my neck out and presented unpopular cases not because I'm yolo red, but because I genuinely want to lynch scum. I have also played entirely transparent and have given town plenty to work with, both on those I consider scummy and myself, which is saying something considering that I didnt even know I was playing this game for two days. You've done just the same and then some, as a result I and several others have placed our faith in you. You dont have to listen to everything I say, but after I I've delivered to you Mattchews red razor mouse of doom, do have a little bit of that faith in me, given my existing contributions and upcoming accolades(matt slayer!) I dont deserve to have the whims of the trilaner be all that separates me from the noose. This is absurd. "Sticking out your neck" for posting reads? And what the hell is an unpopular case? I've never heard of that before. In fact, I have not an inkling of what you are trying to say in that entire middle paragraph. Quality over quantity is content, not post length. Can you reiterate why I'm scum again? I seem to have forgotten outside of "doesn't post" and "doesn't give reads".
Im pretty much betting everything on this Matt lynch, if it fails, I am almost entirely to blame and I expect my head to roll shortly after his. Thats called sticking your neck out, fortunately its not no going to fail, I am almost entirely sure Matts scum. Also whats an unpopular case? A case that is not widely held in esteem, prior to my initial case against him, nobody was attacking him. I took a risk going after someone that was not considered scum by town before I made my case. Which was a much more difficult avenue to pursue rather than continuously flip flopping on side sprang... and one I pursued only because thats exactly what I need to do as town to ensure we lynch scum. Also if you dont understand what I'm saying, sorry? I try my best to be transparent, but I've had scum write "I dont know what this guy is saying" as an argument against me before, so forgive me if I dont find your ignorance entirely sincere, I have known you to play dumb before.
As for why your scum.
Can you reiterate why I'm scum again? I seem to have forgotten outside of "doesn't post" and "doesn't give reads".
The bolded is just not true, you do post, it's just those posts are worthless, your only job as town is to find scum and it is through reads and subsequent red flips you prove your towniness. You dont do that, you just defend yourself and offer half assed reads and when people call you out on that you scream "im just the replacement guys!" . After Mattchew flips red, I'll go into detail against you, but for now just stand back and watch your buddy get roasted, cause I'm really getting tired of your terrible scum play.
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On February 21 2014 13:23 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2014 12:23 gumshoe wrote:On February 21 2014 10:21 bumatlarge wrote:On February 21 2014 06:47 gumshoe wrote:On February 21 2014 06:14 IAmRobik wrote:
gumshoe, you were rb'd last night, yah?
that's one of the only reasons I don't want to lynch you.
as for bum...I explaining why i think he's town a couple pages back
if push comes to shove, i'll vote mattchew. I don't like the speed at which he got pressured this game especially with the votes d2. We'll see though. I'm down for whatever at this point as long as it's not vivax420, roundabound, me, gumshoe, bum, or grack (i think that's my town circle at the moment) I was rbed yes, but aside from that why do you want to lynch me? I think my arguments out before I post them, I dont get in insult wars with other townies, I go through filters thoroughly before I take a stance on someone and you can see all that in my history. I opt for quality over quantity and I've produced more with five posts than most people have with twenty. Which is pretty much how I've played as town in games past. I have stuck my neck out and presented unpopular cases not because I'm yolo red, but because I genuinely want to lynch scum. I have also played entirely transparent and have given town plenty to work with, both on those I consider scummy and myself, which is saying something considering that I didnt even know I was playing this game for two days. You've done just the same and then some, as a result I and several others have placed our faith in you. You dont have to listen to everything I say, but after I I've delivered to you Mattchews red razor mouse of doom, do have a little bit of that faith in me, given my existing contributions and upcoming accolades(matt slayer!) I dont deserve to have the whims of the trilaner be all that separates me from the noose. This is absurd. "Sticking out your neck" for posting reads? And what the hell is an unpopular case? I've never heard of that before. In fact, I have not an inkling of what you are trying to say in that entire middle paragraph. Quality over quantity is content, not post length. Can you reiterate why I'm scum again? I seem to have forgotten outside of "doesn't post" and "doesn't give reads". Im pretty much betting everything on this Matt lynch, if it fails, I am almost entirely to blame and I expect my head to roll shortly after his. Thats called sticking your neck out, fortunately its not no going to fail, I am almost entirely sure Matts scum. Also whats an unpopular case? A case that is not widely held in esteem, prior to my initial case against him, nobody was attacking him. I took a risk going after someone that was not considered scum by town before I made my case. Which was a much more difficult avenue to pursue rather than continuously flip flopping on side sprang... and one I pursued only because thats exactly what I need to do as town to ensure we lynch scum. Also if you dont understand what I'm saying, sorry? I try my best to be transparent, but I've had scum write "I dont know what this guy is saying" as an argument against me before, so forgive me if I dont find your ignorance entirely sincere, I have known you to play dumb before. Who cares whats going to happen to you. You took a risk in scum hunting? You certainly are if you are scum. No one has defended mattchew, so everything you said is really unnecessary if you are intent on him being mafia. Thanks for telling us your motives though. I also like how you are making up a lot of non-sense about me flip-flopping on SS. Please continue to make up non-sense if that is your thing. Show nested quote +As for why your scum. Can you reiterate why I'm scum again? I seem to have forgotten outside of "doesn't post" and "doesn't give reads". The bolded is just not true, you do post, it's just those posts are worthless, your only job as town is to find scum and it is through reads and subsequent red flips you prove your towniness. You dont do that, you just defend yourself and offer half assed reads and when people call you out on that you scream "im just the replacement guys!" . After Mattchew flips red, I'll go into detail against you, but for now just stand back and watch your buddy get roasted, cause I'm really getting tired of your terrible scum play. How about you go into detail now. You are prepared to insult my play, but I think that is ill-founded. I think my scum play is pretty adequate, and yours is transparent! And mattchew is probably scum by the nature of your case and how you hope it's going to make you look. For being scum you sure do shed light on all the wrong things.
Hey, you asked me what stuck my neck out means, and I explained, I originally only mentioned it cause I felt it was dumb that rob felt the only reason im not scum is cause of my role block claim, when here I am making a huge yolo case, a pretty dumb move for scum to do if they want to avoid getting lynched. And I never asked people to care about me, please dont twist my words into obscene shapes. Oh and for the record Mattchew has done nothing to deserve defending, and yet that hasn't stopped Rob Vivax and pretty much you from doing just that, he hasn't been defended is a blatant lie. Also read these two for me.
mordanis is chill, other two not so much. What about the sprangside? I feel good about him being scum
Alright, I've determined that sidesprang is fairly transparent. I can explain why, but I'd rather have him post for me to analyze. I'm not the greatest at meta reads, but the 'nervous' post mattchew brought up was pretty typical of the [red]sidesprang/red] I have studied.
Im sorry, but that sure does look like a flip flop to me, and side was literally the closest thing you've had to a scum suspect since you got shiapi lynched. You know, until you jumped on me solely cause I called you scum, kinda like Mattchew did.
Also wtf is this?
And mattchew is probably scum by the nature of your case and how you hope it's going to make you look
Wow, are you actually accusing me of starting a bus on a team mate as scum? God your desperate. Yeah I'm not seeing that adequate scum play of yours, oh and the reason you find my play transparent is because I'm town / : but you already knew that of course.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind voting Bum if everyone still feels like waiting for Matt to not show up.
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On February 21 2014 14:22 bumatlarge wrote:
Those two you quoted are both calling him scummy. You probably should read them again.
You can be transparent scum.
Thats extremely misleading language, but I apologize, you did not flip flop ) :
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Yeah, I'm sorry Bum, that was pretty much the main reason I suspected you, I wont be voting for you this cycle period now. If you still wanna come after me, it's your call ( : I'm off to bed, gl all.
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On February 21 2014 23:01 IAmRobik wrote:
He should just request a sub or a modkill. This is unacceptable. Im not wasting a lynch on someone who is not participating.
None of that's happening, this can still be considered a "strategy" and therefore he won't be mod killed so long as he does the bare minimum of posting. If sides scum he will probably do the same. As for not wasting a lynch on someone whose not participating, how else are we going to kill lazy scum... But As previously mentioned, I could lynch side, the only things that's changed is that I am no longer willing to lynch Bum. It's just I find it fucking remarkable that Matt can spit in our faces like this and we can't do shit because scum won't lynch their buddy and you and Vivax keep getting cold feet for whatever reason of the hour. The only way scum Matt is going to die is if we lynch him, so can we do that? Can we just play the game and lynch scum instead of making excuses for them and trying to game the host?
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