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On February 19 2014 05:33 VIVAX420 wrote: hmm rayn why did you get so mad? Because after D1 you have called seven people mafia for absolutely no reasoning and that doesn't help. Again, start giving some analysis and conclusions if you want to help, if you don't shut up. ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:42 JarJarDrinks wrote: Conspiracy theory time. Scum has 2 Forum Heroes, 1 Trilaner They know that there can't possibly be a doc and a cop. So, they decide to dual claim right before the deadline, knowing that one of their claims will for sure go uncountered I mean, they happened to both be around @ the deadline and claim @ the exact same time? What's the point of double fake claiming if they don't even know who is going to be under attack on D2 and one of them is gonna get cc'd? ~rayn | ||
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Also what's your stance on his case on Mattchew and other players? ~rayn | ||
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I'll let sidesprang answer this one first as it's a question to him. Seems like he's didgy atm. ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:52 IAmRobik wrote: It's not a terrible play if they're able to out a town PR. I don't know why they would think that they'd be able to do it though, because it wouldn't make sense to claim as the town PR is still basically vanilla town at that point. So sidesprang and Grackaroni make a play that they both claim power roles as mafia on N1. What if someone like me or you counter claim them? Who do you think gets lynched? Or what if thrawn had flipped blue? Again, what's the point? ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 05:56 sidesprang wrote: Can you not see town motivation for being didge regarding that questsion aswell tho rayn? The question is not whether or not i see it. The question is why you did it and it's a legit question. I am not you and you were the one who was asked that question, so no, i am not giving you any answers. How about you stop dodging questions addressed to you and start answering them? ~rayn | ||
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sidesprang that was the answer i was looking for. Now why do you think JJD does not see that? ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 06:12 Grackaroni wrote: Because his case was about Mattchew being passive and consistently avoiding conflict. Either yours was not about that, or I didn't read yours if it was. My case was that Mattchew hasn't said shit in this game which is the same thing. "Avoiding confliction" and "being passive" are just fancy words of saying the same thing. ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 06:15 JarJarDrinks wrote: You'd also have just as much of a chance of getting the doc to switch to you. And weren't you worried that you'd actually get countered? If you're town, you risked outing a PR for no possible gain. This is only a scum play. I don't know why anyone at least as town would take that claim seriously. Did you read what i just wrote to Robik? Also why are you only questioning sidesprang about the claim and not Grack? Why does his claim ring more alarm bells? Is there any reason why Grack's claim is not scummy at all? ~rayn | ||
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On February 19 2014 07:05 VIVAX420 wrote: SURE BRO. Here's a scummy meta case on Mordanis: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=331498&user=Mordanis&view=all See ya. (Actually, do compare the games). That's not a case, that's a filter. How does that imply he is mafia compared to this game and how is this relevant because as far as i know from the database Mordanis has not played on TL in a long time? ~rayn | ||
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Thrawn Not a bad NK selection. He was unanimously considered as town, and lurked enough that he could be a blue snipe as well. Reads wise, he wasnt advocating anyone with a high degree of certainty towards the end; unless you count On February 17 2014 23:48 thrawn2112 wrote: as a post worth NK'n over.i kinda want to l;ynch grack lol On February 18 2014 15:17 Mordanis wrote: Mordanis made a thread summary post above. Yet fails to identify this pearler from me !+ Show Spoiler + Alright, I just did some quick math and by my count, even if we only mislynch, there won't be any LYLO until D5. My last game, I was town and was never scummy enough to get lynched or good/right enough to be shot and felt that I was not the player town wanted in a LYLO. As such I am not entirely opposed to being lynched D2 if there aren't any good cases. I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but aside from one head of vivax and thrawn (perhaps robik), it seems like most people are saying that I would be a good lynch for similar reasons. Also, apologies in advance as my method for this post has been to quote every post I want to comment on in a new tab, and the tabs seem to have gotten jumbled. The upshot of this is that the order will probably be off slightly. Also what is this teabagging? afraid to google......... My catch-up is here: + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2014 14:35 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##unvote ##vote: sidesprang This was kinda discussed but sidespringe retracting his vote for roundabout makes no sense: Here he explains how it's a policy vote:So he's saying that even if he's town, he deserves to be lynched for fake claiming scum. So why in the world would he unvote him after round said he was lying? Here's his explaination:but that makes no sense. He just told us that he deserves to be policy lynched. So the fact that he took the claim away shouldn't have much to do w/ the reason he's voting for him. Especially since:You'd think that he'd leave his vote on his policy lynch then. It's not like he has some other great read that he really needs to not waste his vote. I don't know at all how I feel about the shitfest with Round's scum claim, but I don't think anything can be derived from this sequence JJD is looking at. To me this seems like SS simply hasn't had enough experience with this kind of situation, and changed his mind about the scum claim with the amount of analysis being poured into that play. Being open to changes in information is a very town-oriented attitude. *More on this when there is discussion on SS's switch from shiao to QP* On February 15 2014 23:04 thrawn2112 wrote: This is what I meant when I said "JJD has done nothing except to say he wants to kill people for reasons that don't have anything to do with lynching mafia." His whole filter is like that. When he talks about who he;s ok with lynching he only talks about lurker policy, or in grack's case troll policy lynching. JJD doesn't care at all about finding and lynching mafia. JarJar, can you please say if you are suspicious of anyone who isn't a lurker/troll? I totally agree with this post. On February 16 2014 04:28 IAmRobik wrote: Soooooo, it's a good thing I didn't access my computer last night or I would have spammed some dumb drunk shit. I agree that shiao looks super scummy and if he's town, it's 100% his fault if he gets mislynched. His "reads" are lackluster at best and his "anger" about getting "mislynched" is laughable. Vivax and roundabound, The 4 of you failed me. gumshoe, A lot is going to be expected of you. Please make the best use of your posts. There are a lot of really towny people in my eyes and just a few scummy ones, so you're gonna have to prove yourself. I really don't like this post. Yeah, Shiao wasn't great this game, but I expect more than "I think you're shitty, die". Not sure if scummy or giving up out of boredom... On February 16 2014 09:21 bumatlarge wrote: I'm cautious about how many people are jumping on Shiao. Even if I think he's the scummiest I've come across in the thread, the reasons aren't all that strong. Sure he has little content and doesn't seem to be improving them, but day 1 townies do this. Mattchew, I think this is what you usually do, but can you give a little more detail to who you are accusing? I wouldn't insult the game of mafia by calling them reads. You seem "ok with lynching X" about all of the time. The only thing I've liked about what you said so far is about sidespring. Do you have more on every other player in the game you've mentioned? Sketch as fuck. This reads as the most cautious scummy post I've ever read. I want to vote for X but I don't want to look bad when X flips green. Soft defends X while calling X scummy. Calls X a premature bandwagon but isn't suspicious of those who are in it. On February 17 2014 00:35 roundabound wrote: thrawn made a very good post on bumatlarge earlier on. Actually bum deserves another look based on how he tries to over explain the reasons why we are mafia. In fact he reaches to "more likely to be town" in his conclusions. ~rayn A good point. The following sequence is also interesting: On February 17 2014 00:49 roundabound wrote: sideprang: Hops on to the claim immediately for policy reasons. But see especially the red part. When the lynch does not gain momentum see what he does. He drops out his scumread/policy (which is weak in the first place) and suddenly wants to lynch someone else. Now this makes no sense, if he feels like we are mafia so strong, why not push the lynch then? He's trying to find a lynch, not mafia. ##unvote ##Vote: sidesprang On February 17 2014 01:29 roundabound wrote: You are dodging the issue. It does not matter if you unvoted first or whatever. You unvoted after VIVAX, Rob and thrawn clearly disagreed with the lynch. lol. You also clearly said "they are claiming mafia as mafia or deserve to be lynched even if they are town because of policy". It's a policy lynch and noone else's opinion should matter. You are making shit up, you clearly unvoted because other people who look town disagreed with the lynch and in the first place it should not even matter. scum. ~rayn On February 17 2014 01:55 roundabound wrote: Because your vote is on ShiaoPi before Mocsta's play (1). Then you vote for us, and give reasoning which implicates you are voting us for policy. You literally say we deserve do die regardless of our alignment (2). After three players who are amongst the strongest in this game disagree with the lynch you retract from the vote for no reasoning (2). Then you say you are okay with QP/Mordanis dying and vote for QP (1). 1) Before and after voting for us your mind changes from ShiaoPi -> QP/Mordanis. None of those people have posted in this timeframe. This makes no sense because there is no reason for you to suddenly think QP/Mord are more likely mafia than ShisoPi is because none of those people have posted between when you changed your mind. You give no reasoning for this change of mind. It makes no sense from town perspective. 2) Your reasoning for voting us is in the first place bullshit because you do not even think about the motive behind Mocsta's actions. This means you are voting for us as policy, which in itself is fine. What's not fine is that you retract from the vote when you realize the lynch is not going through (after people disagree). This makes no sense from town perspective because policy lynch is a policy lynch and you keep your vote on the policy lynch if you do it in the first place. I really don't agree with any of Round's points save the part about the vote switch. I don't think it is rational for SS to switch from Shiao to Round to QP. It seems to me that SS is afraid to take a firm stance, but out of inexperience rather than scummy self-protection. I do however think that Round was desperately trying to get back into people's town list, and pressuring SS was the best way for him/them to accomplish that. So the scum claim made Round look scummier and SS look townier. On February 15 2014 11:21 VIVAX420 wrote: This game: Last scum game: there is a very clear difference in how shiaopi plays scum and town. It does not take a lot of meta research to see it. I've never seen someone more metable actually. I think shiaopi might be a better lynch than side. Another meta case, and this one lead to a mislynch. I'm gonna look at this in more detail in the morning, but I'm feeling that vivax is super scummy right now. Overall reads from catchup: SS - town vivax - scum bumatlarge - scum Round - null JJD - null iRobocop - annoying On February 16 2014 23:11 roundabound wrote: I find this particularly opportunistic, "read: scummy" to avoid commenting on.+ Show Spoiler + On February 16 2014 22:44 VIVAX420 wrote: mordanis - TOWN He is a super noob. Yes his cases are bad but newb scum would not be able to make those cases. if the cases are bad, why is it beyond a newb scum? You lump and categorise players too hard. Mordanis has a small filter: read 1 page. Lets do a post by post: NOT SPOILERED for your Benefit  On February 13 2014 03:31 Mordanis wrote: Red: Noob Card with insult to town thrown in for good measure -> (/sarcasm) cos thats how town likes to correct actions they do not likeIt's been quite a while since I've played, so I was going to say that I seem to remember that the correct action at the beginning of a game is to yell at people and vote for people just for the hell of it, but I see all of this has already been accomplished. Clearly this much shenanigans could only be scum. brb gonna go write a wall of text case against everyone. Blue: First promise of "mega contribution" On February 13 2014 06:28 Mordanis wrote: No conclusion fluffI'm a little confused... Robik, are you really voting for thrawn for posting "hmmm", or is there more behind it? On a side note, I think its looking a bit sketchy that it seems like we already have a vote on thrawn (for "hmm") and vivax building a meta case on him for lurking a few hours into the game, it feels like teamwork or opportunistic scum play... On February 13 2014 06:36 Mordanis wrote: Theory ramble. NullI'm not sure I follow that argument. Is scum inherently lazy in your view, or does actual evidence always support town, rather than scum? I think its certainly possible that scum could find a previous game that could be used to lynch a townie. On February 13 2014 08:30 Mordanis wrote: Second promise of "mega contribution"Rob, you're clearly reading my filter without context. I wrote that after like 5 posts, and it was a joke intended for the couple (I think) of people I've played with before. You see, I had a reputation (especially from my newbie games) of only posting novella-length cases, and basically letting those do all of my talking. On February 13 2014 09:06 Mordanis wrote: Red: He is a self-proclaimed "novella-case" maker, yet is only producing glimmers of thoughts with no concrete substance.I've got to go to class for a while, but before I go, I just wanted to elaborate on my previous feelings. I think the abortive case had some momentum for a second against thrawn is very suspicious. The way Rob voted for Thrawn for lurking, and then !Hey Presto!, vivax comes in showing that thrawn is apparently well known for being lurky as scum, well it all seems very wrong. vivax backed down almost immediately, and Rob stayed the course until thrawn started talking. Now vivax left without any more reads after that. Rob did the *exact* opposite, posting a lot and picking up a read (based on thrawn's thoughts and a joke). Essentially what I'm trying to say here is that the behavior between the two of these definitely warrants more investigation. On vivax I really don't like the way that vivax posted fluff, gave someone else evidence to start a case, and then left it all alone for everyone else to take care of, and then disappeared right afterwards. And then there's this post: vivax goes from one hell of a scum read on thrawn (without really pushing anything) to one hell of a town read on Robik (without telling us why). In short, vivax seems incredibly confident about being right but hasn't really done anything useful aside from helping another player make a case. That seems like as much of a scum mindset as you can get. Bold Red: If this is a proven scum mindset, where is the vote? On February 13 2014 09:16 Mordanis wrote: Ironic fluff; considering he has scum reads with no vote...so rayn, If you're not voting for anyone right now, what are your best scum reads? On February 13 2014 23:53 Mordanis wrote: Offers insight on post phrasing for something insignificant; yet, can't reach vote-worthy conclusions on his own reads.Quite reasonably because "do you talk this much as scum" implies that you meant Rob was a town read. Robik didn't say "I talk a lot as town", but rather "I like forum mafia because I can make a ton of content". On February 13 2014 23:58 Mordanis wrote: Red: Apparently now isn't chasing Robik; but doesnt clear him as town either.....I'm not going after Robik at present. I felt something was off between the two that warranted further investigation, which has led me to believe that vivax is the scummier of the two. Right now, I'm not exactly feeling incredibly rushed to get a lynch in the next few hours, so I'm curious to see the way kush plays vivax. Blue: Not rushed to get a lynch, because waiting for others to do things- -- yet wont produce the mega contributions promised either. On February 14 2014 14:10 Mordanis wrote: Another excuse to not fulfil his own promiseHey, I just got back. If anyone has any questions for me, I'll be reading through for the next while. On February 14 2014 15:28 Mordanis wrote: Red:The case on Vivax is time-stamp conjecture summarised by cherrypicking "STUFF" that isnt even fleshed out for us simpletonsThe more I look at the early game, the worse vivax looks. vivax's meta case on thrawn came 3 hours in. A few minutes later, Robik asks vivax for a game where thrawn is town, and vivax doesn't post for the next ~half hour. then 3 minutes after thrawn explains his little move, there's vivax. To me, this comes across as vivax cherrypicking stuff to try to get a lynch early.[/erd] Hopefully more coming soon! Blue: 3rd promise of more contribution On February 14 2014 16:43 Mordanis wrote: An acceptable point of view. And a solid reason to be unsure of Mordanis alignment. Henceforth I treat this post as null until more flips are given.I thought this was apparent but I guess I have to explain this. The case on thrawn was the first case with anything to it. There were two people behind it, and it seemed like a mostly meta case (as I recall, Robik was much happier with his read after seeing the game vivax linked). The thing is, I don't know thrawn, or really anyone else well enough to make a meta case or even believe one without outside confirmation.So, I did what I can do, and thought about the posts and the order and such, to try to find scum through analysis. I thought (and still do) that, if there is a strong meta case against someone who has played many games on TL, there will be several games that will show this pattern, and multiple people will be able to verify that the meta case is reasonable. Why? Scum know who town is. Say Thrawn is town; its an entirely plausible contribution for scum to make (Against a weak/incorrect Vivax case). This is independant of Vivax alignment. On February 14 2014 16:54 Mordanis wrote: Why does this still matter. The game has progressed further; Vivax and his hydra buddy have made more content than pertains to just thrawn; yet mordanis is fixated here talking abotu absolutely nothing else YET NOT PROBING THEM TO ELUCIDATE MORE INFORMATION.As per my last post, could someone who knows thrawn let me know if this isa reasonable case or not? Vivax, mordanis is scum QED Please lynch, me falling asleep here. My only doubt is that everyone else in the thread ignored my post as well. Mordanis, please respond to my post above. Gumshoe The RB claim looks good to me. Lack of counter-claim; really low post count suggests potential blue lurking. The case on Mattchew looks good to me too. In particular: On February 19 2014 03:15 gumshoe wrote: This is Mattchews longest post. Heres what this post is saying line by line. 2: Says Moc is a jerk, thinks hes town cause reasons? to which I add: On February 16 2014 15:46 Mattchew wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: roundabound On February 17 2014 03:16 Mattchew wrote: then lynch me, this game is going no where On February 17 2014 04:23 thrawn2112 wrote: if you want the game to go somewhere then vote for who you want to lynch. you are currently voting for roundabound and you don't want to lynch him so you have no right to complain about anything being boring On February 17 2014 04:27 Mattchew wrote: The only reason he dropped his vote on us is because Thrawn queried him about his double standards.##unvote ##vote ShiaoPi This is certainly a solid lynch for today given his overall apathy for the game; and then sudden burst in play when a policy lynch opportunity came about. Rayn Calm down. I fully get what you are picking up on; and if Gumshoe was considered a decent player its definitely a scum slip. However, Gumshoe is known for "floating" and being "oblivious" as town, and dare I say this falls under that category. His explanation seemed plausible and regardless the RB makes sense in context of his play. Shame on you Kush + Grack for jumping onto Rayn for this. If anything this is quintissential town Rayn play and you two in particular should know better. A thought I am jotting down for consideration with more flips Why not RB Thrawn + shoot Thrawn? Obviously this is conjecture, but I am working with a theory that the GF exists ==> cop + doctor exist and scum went for a double blue hit. Now I get Rayn jumping over Gumshoe. What I don't get is this guy: On February 19 2014 03:53 sidesprang wrote: All game this guy hasnt looked for scum. Instead he looks for easy ways to vote people.Town wont, but mafia could know there is no possibility for Doc and Cop togheter. [red]Might actually be a legit scumslip. Policy on roundabound. Scumslip on Gumshoe. Theres zero content in his filter as evidenced" On February 13 2014 03:21 sidesprang wrote: How about Mocasta lynch? On February 15 2014 04:41 sidesprang wrote: Infact QP is prolly at least the lurker that reads the most scummy to me. On February 15 2014 05:08 sidesprang wrote: No I have no scumreads that I feel strongly enough to lynch. I am definitely comfortable with eradicating Sidesprang. The other guy standing out to me is Bum; mainly his lack of doing anything since his policy lynch failed on me. However, the fact that Mordanis is voting for Bum puts be at unease. This is moreso a finger of suspicion/reminder than anything. Overall, Mattchew is solid case and I support his lynch. ##Vote: Mattchew ##Vote: Mattchew | ||
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On February 19 2014 10:15 Grackaroni wrote: I should actually add Kush. I have a lot of respect for Kush's reads over the last few games, but he's always ignored because he plays like me. R u going to vote us or continue throwing toothless barbs ~moc | ||
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On February 19 2014 10:36 VIVAX420 wrote: my barbs are only toothless on the surface. honestly more rereading is necessary to be sure about round. I was just doing preliminary reaction testing on them and THEY FAILED. No kush You do this every game and I grow tired of it. Vote or fuck off because all you are doing now is distracting from the Matthew lynch. ~moc | ||
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On February 19 2014 10:38 IAmRobik wrote: PLEASE UNVOTE! Are you suggesting you disagree with the case put forth? ~moc | ||
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On February 19 2014 10:43 VIVAX420 wrote: grack if you respect my opinion at all, and you should because we are very alike, you should unvote mattchew. yeah he doesn;t look super townie but he never does. he is lynch bait. Lynch bait suggests town. But u say he doesn't look townie What is it. Is he lynch bait, null or scum ~moc | ||
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