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Okay, so some self-reflection.
I found this game insanely difficult. I'm not really sure why, but I just couldn't get much down on paper aside from "gut feels".
Also, I found it kind of hard to get super involved in the game. Which is pretty normal for me, especially on day 1, but normally by day 2 I really get into the swing of things and things start clicking. I think part of the problem was that no one was ever attacking me, and I tend to play much, much better when I'm under pressure. When I just sit back to myself, I never end up asking the right questions to come to the right conclusions. But once people start pressuring me and I'm forced to sit back and start really thinking hard or get lynched, I play better.
On the flip side, there were exactly 2 people this game I really wanted to lynch, and both were scum. Boggle ^____^
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I felt the same way... I think I read less of the thread than as I do when I'm mafia. I couldn't make myself read the VE vs bum stuff at the beginiing, I felt like investing my time into that was not going to be very effective or helpful so I just skipped all of it. Then those arguments becasme focal points of other arguments so of course I'm not going to read those either... fast forward until I can't understand half of what's being talked about and there is 3 hours left in D1
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I am just finding it amusing/slightly depressing that I play a wayyy scummier game as town than I do as scum. lol.
Also there was no way Zare was getting off the lynch on Day 1, except that I had to go and find Rules 11 and 12 and screw everything up for town lol. That was a brilliant play by you Zare 
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suki was really blatantly town compared to her most recent scumgame. The difference was night and day.
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The votes were key for me. JLaw as scum made no sense there, not sure why rayn put him on the scummy list. Artanis and zerapath stuck out really hard amongst them. There was VE, Wile, suki and barristan as well, but I got a town read on barristan, and I read through VE's older games and he wasn't doing much different. I had both suki and Wile over Zerapath though, which was rough.
I think as Zarepath I would have claimed doctor. You guys needed to flush out the possibility, and it was either get a CC or the lynch would be switched. A fakeclaimed doctor wouldn't be too bad if you just planned the kills and fake protections accordingly. I think his claim did really well for him in the end with people bringing up the rules. Odd that they are still stated that way. That wasn't DP's fault.
The QT was though  . I think it would have been a drawn out game if it continued, but still worth zarepath to play, because he could get it to lylo.
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On January 25 2014 08:45 marvellosity wrote:
suki was really blatantly town compared to her most recent scumgame. The difference was night and day.
I never looked at the game, I probably should have.
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I actually wanted to say at some point 'Guys look at my scum game I'm totally falling apart compared to there', but thought it would be so WIFOM-y that people would just ignore it.
Was hoping another townie would do it for me and save me, if I ever came under heavy suspicion.
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And I'm really surprised JonnyLaw saw me so strongly as scum =| given that he was in that previously mentioned scumgame.
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The part of rayn's analysis that I agreed with was the fact that in that whole post you made about me, there was indication that you KNOW ME better than to say that you can't see me playing the way you're saying I'm playing as town. But your vote on me over everyone else contradicts that notion - it says "I think VE is scum, even though I know he can play this way as town" It didn't look good to me, and your explanations did nothing to assuage that notion. In fact from my perspective, it looked like you were trying to make RAYN look bad because of the way you answered.
The THAT that I was referring to was everything I said after I answered the first question. You agreed with suki's case on me, BEFORE reading the posts in question, and finding that they were taken out of context. You NEVER DID read the posts in question, because someone ELSE had to tell you the problem with your theory. So you called me scum for agreeing with bad logic, and yet you agree with Suki's case on me built on entirely faulty premises. You then opt to do nothing further D1, and when you return you come back with a fluff ridden post and state that unless I answer the questions you so carefully hid inside the spoiler, you would never unvote me. So from my perspective, you are not only opting out of doing ANYTHING useful, now you're unrepentantly tunneling a townie. How is that supposed to look to me man?
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On January 25 2014 08:50 suki wrote:
And I'm really surprised JonnyLaw saw me so strongly as scum =| given that he was in that previously mentioned scumgame.
Yes that really surprised me also, and in your shoes it would have made me extraordinarily suspicious.
In your scum game you were dispassionate and unruffled. When things went wrong you relentlessly made more cases. It was robotic. Not that it wasn't done excellently.
Here you were clearly more involved, more conversational, and much more affected by the ebb and flow of the game.
You didn't play "scummier" as town at all - scummy does not mean mistakes or bad cases. It's the fallibility that's townie.
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To be honest, I didn't read suki's scum game. Yea, everyone said she played brilliantly, but from very early I had her marked as town and I don't think even a masterful scum performance in the past would have persuaded me. Not that I can't be wrong, obviously, but while I didn't agree with everything she said, there was a very obvious "care factor" that I've never seen from scum. Not even once from some of teh best scum on TL.
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On January 25 2014 08:48 bumatlarge wrote:
I think as Zarepath I would have claimed doctor. You guys needed to flush out the possibility, and it was either get a CC or the lynch would be switched. A fakeclaimed doctor wouldn't be too bad if you just planned the kills and fake protections accordingly. I think his claim did really well for him in the end with people bringing up the rules. Odd that they are still stated that way. That wasn't DP's fault.
This would've been bad though because a doc still being alive after one night will never be believed. You could instantly claim PC afterwards and Zare would be confirmed scum the moment you died.
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You did chat a lot early with Balla but I think that's just a comfort thing.
The other part was someone mentioned in post game last time that you need to relax and not throw out so many convoluted filters waiting for someone else to latch on to them. And you didn't. You played well I'd say.
I think scum should have left rayn alive d2 and I would have been lynched to be honest. Who knows? He might have sniffed out the scummers instead.
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On January 25 2014 09:11 JonnyLaw wrote:
You did chat a lot early with Balla but I think that's just a comfort thing.
The other part was someone mentioned in post game last time that you need to relax and not throw out so many convoluted filters waiting for someone else to latch on to them. And you didn't. You played well I'd say.
I think scum should have left rayn alive d2 and I would have been lynched to be honest. Who knows? He might have sniffed out the scummers instead.
No, Rayn was definitely the right shot. It allowed me to get some grip on the town. I just let it go too easily. Rayn was by far the strongest townie and we took a risk by shooting him because there could be a doc, but it's a risk we needed to take after a scum lynch d1.
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On January 25 2014 08:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
The part of rayn's analysis that I agreed with was the fact that in that whole post you made about me, there was indication that you KNOW ME better than to say that you can't see me playing the way you're saying I'm playing as town. But your vote on me over everyone else contradicts that notion - it says "I think VE is scum, even though I know he can play this way as town" It didn't look good to me, and your explanations did nothing to assuage that notion. In fact from my perspective, it looked like you were trying to make RAYN look bad because of the way you answered.
The THAT that I was referring to was everything I said after I answered the first question. You agreed with suki's case on me, BEFORE reading the posts in question, and finding that they were taken out of context. You NEVER DID read the posts in question, because someone ELSE had to tell you the problem with your theory. So you called me scum for agreeing with bad logic, and yet you agree with Suki's case on me built on entirely faulty premises. You then opt to do nothing further D1, and when you return you come back with a fluff ridden post and state that unless I answer the questions you so carefully hid inside the spoiler, you would never unvote me. So from my perspective, you are not only opting out of doing ANYTHING useful, now you're unrepentantly tunneling a townie. How is that supposed to look to me man?
I know I made mistakes, but I pointed them out. I didn't try to push anything on you after I took my vote off you day 1.
1) I misread what I remembered of your meta. I don't know how you played as scum, and I thought you were null, and because I didn't like what I read there, I came up with a red read.
2) My early read on rayn was scum, because I was unused to the way he threw around pressure. I reacted negatively when the pressure was put on me. All in all that interaction between rayn an myself was good for both of us. The way artanis came up to defend me put the initial spotlight on him. I think Artanis realized that eventually rayn and I would get town reads on each and wanted to cut-in to that pie. Rayn never really trusted me tough.
3) Suki's case I corrected myself. I had agreed with her without looking at the context of where your posts were. I didn't prepare myself for your quotes to be blatantly be misrepresented. The point of people giving analysis is for others to read it, and the nature of it being miscontrued was accidentally believable. I made sure not to include it when I got my read on you later.
I put all that stuff in the spoiler because I thought you were town. I didn't want to clog up the thread for everyone with a post that was meant to clarify a read for me that everyone else seemed to have already. You shouldn't be annoyed by that. I realized my public focus was on you too much, but I was getting other reads at te same time. I don't know how to convey that to the thread without sounding like kush.
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On January 25 2014 09:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 09:11 JonnyLaw wrote:
You did chat a lot early with Balla but I think that's just a comfort thing.
The other part was someone mentioned in post game last time that you need to relax and not throw out so many convoluted filters waiting for someone else to latch on to them. And you didn't. You played well I'd say.
I think scum should have left rayn alive d2 and I would have been lynched to be honest. Who knows? He might have sniffed out the scummers instead. No, Rayn was definitely the right shot. It allowed me to get some grip on the town. I just let it go too easily. Rayn was by far the strongest townie and we took a risk by shooting him because there could be a doc, but it's a risk we needed to take after a scum lynch d1.
Yeah, I kinda weighed it both ways. It would have been interesting if you had shot someone else. Paranoia is a thing.
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If anyone wants to do a podcast of the game with me msg me.
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DP can you post the obs QT?
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It's fine, in the end I was willing to compromise. Ultimately I wonder if a rayn shot was the way to go - rayn's mind is MUCH harder to change than mine.
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