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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 13:30 GMT
#638
On January 21 2014 22:28 kushm4sta wrote:
That last post seems more honest than scummy

No, it seems like backpedalling when he can't reasonably explain himself. Like if he is town, he really thinks why his points against VE make him mafia, and he can explain the logic behind them. If he is not, he can't.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 13:31 GMT
#639
EBWOP:
Like if he is town, he really thinks his points against VE make him mafia (at least thought so), and he can explain the logic behind them.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 13:57 GMT
#641
ugh.. you do this again suki..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 14:00 GMT
#644
But earlier you said he is suspicious. Then he makes one post you yourself call bad and then you call him town..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 14:02 GMT
#645
Or maybe not.. I am really confused. What exactly are you calling him because you are calling him both town and suspicous.. wtf?!?!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 14:05 GMT
#648
How does his tone differ from the games he has been mafia in?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 14:09 GMT
#650
Actually i think Balla's tone is far closer to his scumgame than his town game. As town he tries to get shit done, as scum he is more interested in agreeing/disagreeing with what other people say about other people.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 14:14 GMT
#653
On January 21 2014 23:13 suki wrote:
Balla's early game as town is a lot more questioning and posturing and not really scum hunting. In his mafia game he locked onto a target early and stayed on him.

And in this game all he has done is defending me. Ha has not really asked anyone enything, besides some half-arsed crap i don't even know what's that gonna accomplish. Then there is a case on Crossfire, in which, again, he talks more about me than Crossfire..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 14:19 GMT
#656
Okay, then we have a totally different opinion on Balla's town/scum play or you are lying.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 14:20 GMT
#657
Also we have a totally differing opinion on what's questioning and posturing..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 14:22 GMT
#658
On January 21 2014 23:17 kushm4sta wrote:
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On January 21 2014 22:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP:
Like if he is town, he really thinks his points against VE make him mafia (at least thought so), and he can explain the logic behind them.


I see what you are saying. You want him to say why each of these points make someone mafia?
But he is saying why it makes VE scum.
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It's easy to attack someone for being obviously contradictory without actually calling them scummy, and that's what he did

He is saying that these things he is doing are easy to do as scum. The traits he is pointing out are more commonly seen in scum.


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On January 21 2014 03:46 zarepath wrote:
I am thinking VE is scummy based off of a few things:

1. Lots of early discussion about the two plans
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He talked a lot about the two plans and asked others about them, and said so many things about them that people were mixing up which plan he was talking about. Not necessarily scummy in and of itself, but a very easy topic to talk about if you don't actually want to start making reads on people


2. Immediate attack on Wiley for blue claiming
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This seemed like another very easy thing to do, but in his accusation he doesn't really explain why it's scummy, just that "it's all bad." It's easy to attack someone for being obviously contradictory without actually calling them scummy, and that's what he did.

On January 20 2014 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Vote Wile E
His little act about not knowing what a boxer is does not really jive with the claim. Add to that the fact that he claimed 5 hours into the game after being very clear about how he feels about boxers claiming, and it all just looks bad.


I also dislike the sentationalism in this, "his little act," etc., especially in combination with a lack of explanation as to why this means he's scum. It reminds me of Mocsta scum from when I played with him a year ago.


3. Defensive tone

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On January 20 2014 12:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
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On January 20 2014 11:45 JonnyLaw wrote:
On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.

Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.



Why do you think not?

I think scum.

I don't understand the question. Or the accusation.


On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.

I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me.


On January 20 2014 22:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kish look me in the balls and tell me you don't think that as town if I don't believe a claim that I wouldn't vote for it if I think it is scum.

It is not dumb for scum to claim Named VT, they are supposed to claim SOMETHING other than Mafia, yes?


On January 20 2014 23:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ski I'm literally ignoring your posts friend. If you have an actual accusation I'll respond to that.


4. Wishy-washy demeanor

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On January 20 2014 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm KINDA okay with Boxers claiming.


On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.


On January 20 2014 11:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm giving benefit of the doubt where that its concerned...I had to go look again at the setup to remember myself when it was first mentioned.


5. Wants others to discuss things, not himself

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On January 20 2014 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
It does NOT matter if scum figure out the setup before town does...in fact given the nature of this game that is pretty much a given. What DOES matter it's that we not tell them exactly what it is ON DAY ONE BEFORE WE GET ANY INFO OURSELVES, which is very possible if we have boxers claim.

Is it worth the risk? I'm starting to think not, but want other opinions.


Yes, let's talk MORE about these plans

On January 20 2014 22:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
There isn't much to them. After reading through I can at least say that he weakly agrees that I look bad (though I don't know why) and he believes the boxer claim and he thinks other boxers should not claim.

I wouldn't mind some elaboration on his issue with me.


On January 20 2014 22:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kish I'm open to suggestions. If you think someone is a better lynch then convince me. Its called playing Mafia! :D


On January 20 2014 23:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
What do you think of bum kush? I liked rayns post on the matter, and agree he looks bad. What do you think?


Note the lack of reasoning for his agreement, but the suggestion that others should talk about it


6. "Giving up" on his Wiley scum read and switching to a more convenient target

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On January 20 2014 23:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think the timing is such that it is more likely to be a scum fakeclaim than town, but I'm not 100% sold on it. The more we talk about it, the more I can see a townie just not caring what he said earlier, and I guess it's less likely that scum would do something completely against what they previously went on record saying.

I can give Slam more time I guess.

##Unvote
##Vote bumatlarge


Read: The more people disagree with me, the more I think I should stop pushing for his lynch. I will now randomly vote for someone somebody else made a case on without any further reasoning.

Note that the entirety of this post is actually justifying why he is no longer voting for Wiley, and not at ALL why he is now voting for bumatlarge.


VE is scummy in tone, content, and voting patterns, and my top scum read now.

##Vote VisceraEyes

You are starting to annoy me again. Instead of defending every single fucking person in this game tell us who is mafia and people do their own defending.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 14:26 GMT
#660
Like i just looked at his past games and:
  • town games - 19 and 23 pages of filter, a lot of oneliners, questions many people about his concerns, is clearly trying to find out what people think about what he thinks is important
  • scum game - 7 pages of filter, more big irrelevant posts that are inclined to talk about what X thinks of Y and how it's right/wrong. no real pushing of his own ideas.


If i don't even think about the motivation behind Balla's posts in this game and just look at what he has said it looks exactly like he played mafia and nothing like his town play to me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 14:36 GMT
#662
I don't care about your defenses because if someone manages to not make a single "townie" post in a game as mafia they are awful.

Maybe we should lynch you, again you seem to be having a townread on everyone and no scumreads.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 14:39 GMT
#665
Because you are not really saying anything productive. You pick a random post and say "this looks townie to me, 100% town". that's not productive.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 14:46 GMT
#667
On January 21 2014 23:43 kushm4sta wrote:
no im saying why your argument why he's scum isn't valid

He has a scumread on VE.
He literally says he has given more reasoning on his vote than any other vote.
When asked how his reasoning makes VE mafia, he refuses to answer.
Instead he says "yeah might be it does not" and backs off from his vote.

I don't know, what's more scummy in this game?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 14:47 GMT
#668
On top of that half of his reasoning contradicts on what he said a couple of hours before.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 14:50 GMT
#670
On January 21 2014 23:48 suki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 23:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like i just looked at his past games and:
  • town games - 19 and 23 pages of filter, a lot of oneliners, questions many people about his concerns, is clearly trying to find out what people think about what he thinks is important
  • scum game - 7 pages of filter, more big irrelevant posts that are inclined to talk about what X thinks of Y and how it's right/wrong. no real pushing of his own ideas.


If i don't even think about the motivation behind Balla's posts in this game and just look at what he has said it looks exactly like he played mafia and nothing like his town play to me.


Balla questions people in both his scum and town games. He isn't questioning people in this game - I blame whatever is causing him to be less active.

In this game, he has a lot of policy talk and 'helpful' posts where he explains things, which in my mind is more of a townie Balla trait. He also goes on Crossfire who has minimal pressure on him at the moment, which is against your meta read of 'no real pushing of his own ideas'.

He goes on Crossfire for a post that's been made over 24hours ago and which i called out already earlier.
If he thinks that post is so scummy why did he not call it out in the first place? Or if he has such a strong town read on me, why was he more interested in telling "bum and rayn are town" in thread when i was attacking Crossfire for that post?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 14:58 GMT
#673
On January 21 2014 23:51 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn i quoted reasoning he gave why ve was scum.
he did give a lot of evidence, more than any other case. the problem is none of it was that strong. and his play has reflected that

THAT'S NOT EVIDENCE!!
Telling someone did something in this game is not telling why someone is mafia. Being defensive or discussing setup or whatever you do does not necessarily make you mafia. You can't just list 20 things someone did and say "this makes him mafia" without telling why.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 15:01 GMT
#674
kush let me make a case:
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1. kush defends thrawn [insert quote here]
2. kush defends bum [insert quote here]
3. kush says he found scumslip [insert quote here]
4. kush defends zarepath [insert quote here]
5. kush thinks all cases are bad [insert quote here]
6. kush thinks Balla might be scum [insert quote here]

all these things make kush mafia.
fucking terrific case
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
January 21 2014 15:24 GMT
#681
On January 22 2014 00:08 suki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2014 23:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If he thinks that post is so scummy why did he not call it out in the first place? Or if he has such a strong town read on me, why was he more interested in telling "bum and rayn are town" in thread when i was attacking Crossfire for that post?


Right. Why indeed? I feel a scum Balla would be more inclined to scum hunt right away and post reads, while a town Balla is more likely to sit back and digest the thread before posting a case.

I'm not saying Balla's play is good by any means, what I'm saying is that I'd rather wait until he's contributed more before solidifying my read on him.

Yes i understand haha.

Maybe you are right and i am wrong. I coached scum in one game Balla was town and i was amused scumteam did not hit him on any night as he did look super townie from the beginning with his proactiveness. I don't see any pro-activeness here.

Anyways this is quite an useless discussion as we are not going to end up in a same conclusion (obviously) so let's just wait and see what he posts. He should feel threatened and under pressure because everyone (me) thinks he is mafia so better start posting quick.
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