On January 20 2014 09:22 kushm4sta wrote:
rayn... read op maybe?
there is a difference between named vt and regular vt in this game.

You are claiming a pr of sorts without realizing it.

Different player names for everyone, regardless of role, even if you have the same role someone else has.
Ask the host if you don't believe, and stop making dumb conclusions. I am not stupid enough to claim something without knowing i am claiming something.

raynpelikoneet

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January 20 2014 00:28 GMT

#99

On January 20 2014 09:25 kushm4sta wrote:

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Why is it dumb?? this is a conversation i wanted to have pregame btw but no one talked.

VE it's demonstrably a bad move for scum to fake claim named VT. No scum is ever going to fake claim named VT unless it's as some last second thing to save their ass for another day.

Because your plan ensures we lynch town on D1, most likely on D2 too. Then we lynch one claim/counter-claim even if we have found mafia. So you are banking the game on D3. Terrible plan.

raynpelikoneet

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January 20 2014 00:33 GMT

#102

On January 20 2014 09:32 kushm4sta wrote:
I think the likelihood for our second lynch choice flipping scum is pretty close to our first choice.

Also if they are scum and they claim blue, they are just postponing their lynch.

Why would you as town want to postpone mafia lynch?

Balla it's a joke.

raynpelikoneet

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January 20 2014 00:42 GMT

#107

No you don't necessarily postpone the lynch. Then you look if the claim makes sense and and either believe it or not. You don't just blindly trust claims.

raynpelikoneet

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January 20 2014 00:55 GMT

#112

Nobody should claim at this point. Named VT's (boxers) do not help us in any way now because there is a possibility of 0-3 boxers and claiming does not clear anyone, it only gives mafia information about the setup unless we want all people to claim which we don't.

suki, kushmasta does not usually even read his own role PM properly (which is proven by last game for example) so unfortunately that plan does not make him non VT / non named VT and certainly not mafia.

raynpelikoneet

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January 20 2014 01:11 GMT

#118

On January 20 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:

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Yeah I'm mostly indifferent to the matter. I can see the argument for it not being needed and it giving scum information, but I think it could help us in the future by 1) eliminating scum's ability to fake-claim it on the block and 2) forcing scum to decide now whether they want to fake-claim the role.

Here is the problem:
If the named VT's claim it gives mafia info about the setup.

If there are no named VT's -> mafia knows the setup and can WIFOM by fakeclaiming VT and it's impossible to prove if itäs true or not
If there is 1 naved VT -> If mafia has a GF they know the setup, if not, they know town has no more than 1 power role.
If there are 2 named VT's -> mafia knows there is only max 1 power role.
If there are 3 named VT's -> mafia knows there is no other power roles. they can WIFOM a roleblock on people and it "confirms" that's not the setup, so WIFOM.

Every single possible scenario only helps mafai and not town, so no, don't claim named VT's because they can't be confirmed and it only helps mafia if they know how many Named VT's there are.

Discussion closed.

raynpelikoneet

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January 20 2014 01:42 GMT

#124

On January 20 2014 10:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah kush is right, pretty close to confirmed that one of kush or thrawn is scum

Well in that case:
##Vote: thrawn2112
There is nothing scummy in what kush has done so far.

raynpelikoneet

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January 20 2014 01:52 GMT

#126

On January 20 2014 10:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn do you really think town kush would ever type this

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Followed by the most anti-town suggesion? Yeah i think he could.

raynpelikoneet

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January 20 2014 02:12 GMT

#129

Could lynch for that post.

raynpelikoneet

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January 20 2014 02:29 GMT

#132

Crossfire do you like kushm4sta's plan?

raynpelikoneet

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January 20 2014 02:34 GMT

#134

I don't have high hopes on someone who has read the thread and still cannot conclude what Boxer is.
In fact it's highly likely they are mafia and don't actually read the thread.