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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
##vote jonnylaw There's my post for the day, now you can move on to finding someone who's actually scum. Go reread pages around the last lynch deadline. You'll find your scummers there. Starts around page 48. GL town. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On January 23 2014 08:26 kushm4sta wrote: ##vote artanis Can you motivate that for me? | ||
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BarristanTheBold
Angola89 Posts
@Artanis: On January 22 2014 02:29 BarristanTheBold wrote: My *ONLY* small concern about Artanis is that as scum he always just picks on weak targets. He never picks a fight with active, good players (ala rayn). But on the flipside, he also tends to lurk and not do much as scum. I think I would be okay with Artanis lynch. On January 23 2014 06:06 BarristanTheBold wrote: rayn: you seem to know Artanis pretty well. Talk about him with me for a minute? A couple of things: 1) His attack on you. He was kind of going balls to the wall there for a bit, then all of a sudden: Sure, townies change their minds. But don't you find it a bit odd that he changed his mind as soon as you said you thought he was town? Also, from the same quote: Now compare that with: Those two viewpoints are kinda contradictory, no? Are those not sufficient reasons? You're play seems much more like the lazy scum Artanis than the town Artanis. And you kept trying to swing the vote off of balla and onto kush despite theoretically being "okay with lynching balla". | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On January 23 2014 08:32 BarristanTheBold wrote: @VE: I have mentioned bum. In fact, I said that i had him slightly town'ish. I changed my mind, especially if Artanis is scum. @Artanis: Are those not sufficient reasons? You're play seems much more like the lazy scum Artanis than the town Artanis. And you kept trying to swing the vote off of balla and onto kush despite theoretically being "okay with lynching balla". Not really. Rayn himself said they aren't exactly contradictory. Also, if we're talking meta, I bussed the shit out of my teammates the last two games. Why are you cherry picking what you think makes me scum? Inactivity is not alignment indicative. | ||
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BarristanTheBold
Angola89 Posts
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BarristanTheBold
Angola89 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On January 23 2014 08:36 BarristanTheBold wrote: Yea, you bussed VE after he was caught with his pants down in Boardwalk. But for the most part in that game, you were completely a non-factor and got lynched because of it. Boardwalk is a while ago. Try checking out my more recent scumgames and report back. Inactivity is not a scumtell. It's an IRLtell. | ||
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BarristanTheBold
Angola89 Posts
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BarristanTheBold
Angola89 Posts
On January 22 2014 07:09 BarristanTheBold wrote: So why haven't you been here making conversation to build your reads from? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Whenever I've been here I've been making conversation. I've prodded Rayn a bunch. I've prodded VE a bunch. Almost all my posts include quotes and engage others. How can you say that I haven't been making conversation? That's a misrepresentation of my filter. | ||
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BarristanTheBold
Angola89 Posts
Just not interested in reading me, then? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On January 23 2014 08:50 BarristanTheBold wrote: You've not said a single word to me all game until 10 minutes before the lynch yesterday, and now that I started attacking you. Just not interested in reading me, then? Because I've used my limited time on other people which were of more interest to me at the time. Currently, you're one of my most interested candidates after elimination. I've got a few questions for you. If Zarepath didn't have his Named VT claim, would you consider him the best lynch for today? What do you think of Suki? You questioned her about yourself but you didn't reply to her explanation. Did you find her explanation acceptable? What's your read on her? Why did you change your mind on Bum and why do you think a scumteam with me and him is likely? Do you think it's likely scum would buddy this hard? | ||
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BarristanTheBold
Angola89 Posts
On January 23 2014 08:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If Zarepath didn't have his Named VT claim, would you consider him the best lynch for today? No, because I would have lynched him yesterday. On January 23 2014 08:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What do you think of Suki? You questioned her about yourself but you didn't reply to her explanation. Did you find her explanation acceptable? What's your read on her? Her explanation doesn't make much sense, but I don't think she's scum. Too interested/active/particpating. There was no point in continuing the conversation. On January 23 2014 08:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why do you think a scumteam with me and him is likely? Do you think it's likely scum would buddy this hard? What originally set off my scumdar was when you came into the thread during the VE vs bum fight and just started attacking rayn. The timing felt...convenient? And you started attacking VE, which felt like you were just trying to discredit him since you dropped it at the same time you dropped the rayn thing when people weren't talking about bum anymore. But I will admit, there's a bit more buddying than I remembered when I ctrl+f bum through your filter. WIFOM is WIFOM though, and you just said you "bussed the shit out of your teammates in your last 2 scum games". So you're aware of it and could do the exact opposite. On January 23 2014 08:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Why did you change your mind on Bum? See above. Mostly in association with you, although the balla interaction thing was part of it. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On January 23 2014 08:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Not really. Rayn himself said they aren't exactly contradictory. Also, if we're talking meta, I bussed the shit out of my teammates the last two games. Why are you cherry picking what you think makes me scum? Inactivity is not alignment indicative. that's precisely why you would hard defend your scumteam this game | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On January 23 2014 09:14 BarristanTheBold wrote: No, because I would have lynched him yesterday. He wasn't lynchable yesterday after his claim. I'm saying if the claim never happened. [ QUOTE]On January 23 2014 08:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What do you think of Suki? You questioned her about yourself but you didn't reply to her explanation. Did you find her explanation acceptable? What's your read on her? Her explanation doesn't make much sense, but I don't think she's scum. Too interested/active/particpating. There was no point in continuing the conversation.[/quote] If her explanation was unsatisfactory but you still don't want to chase it why did you ask the question to begin with? What originally set off my scumdar was when you came into the thread during the VE vs bum fight and just started attacking rayn. The timing felt...convenient? And you started attacking VE, which felt like you were just trying to discredit him since you dropped it at the same time you dropped the rayn thing when people weren't talking about bum anymore. But I will admit, there's a bit more buddying than I remembered when I ctrl+f bum through your filter. WIFOM is WIFOM though, and you just said you "bussed the shit out of your teammates in your last 2 scum games". So you're aware of it and could do the exact opposite. That's WIFOM too. You're saying some meta points are the same so I'm scum, but some meta points aren't the same but those happen to be WIFOM. See above. Mostly in association with you, although the balla interaction thing was part of it. Do you really think I can be scum with Bum? On January 23 2014 09:19 kushm4sta wrote: that's precisely why you would hard defend your scumteam this game I've already tried that before too and we had to concede after D1. You're WIFOMing the shit out of this and not providing any solid reason for why I'm scum. The only thing that makes you town is the way you reacted to the claim which I consider could be overvalued anyway. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
What do you think of Jonny's progression from thinking Zarepath looked genuine for getting angry after VE's blowup, to voting Zarepath as his number one choice for lynch day 1? | ||
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bumatlarge
United States4567 Posts
Artanis, could you clarify your reasons for pushing kush? Do you know his meta? I thought his connection to balla was incriminating, and I am also not convinced by the way he claimed VT. But everything else from him has been borderline. I suggest you build a case, because I don't have a town read on you. On January 22 2014 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Where is everyone? Barristan, why aren't you engaging in conversation? It's probably between Kush and Bum today. Who do you think is scummier and why? What did you mean by this? It's the only time you mention me without calling me town... | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On January 23 2014 09:53 suki wrote: Hey Barristan, since you're pushing Artanis/bum so much, I assume you're thinking there's a chance Jonny might be town. What do you think of Jonny's progression from thinking Zarepath looked genuine for getting angry after VE's blowup, to voting Zarepath as his number one choice for lynch day 1? Hey Suki, if you're still here, what do you think of Barristan's answer regarding the question he sent your way? On January 23 2014 10:13 bumatlarge wrote: You people are really overestimating my scum game. I think the connection between myself and artanis is null. I don't think Artanis would defend me if we were both scum, he knows I'm volatile. Also, while we both suspected rayn for a time and we both changed that opinion, that is not something that scum do. Based on that alone, one of us being scum would make sense, because tracing a townie's line of thought is fairly scummy, but I don't believe Artanis and I were ever pushing people for the same reasons, including kush, but that's what I want to clarify. Artanis, could you clarify your reasons for pushing kush? Do you know his meta? I thought his connection to balla was incriminating, and I am also not convinced by the way he claimed VT. But everything else from him has been borderline. I suggest you build a case, because I don't have a town read on you. I have played a few games with kush but I've usually been too annoyed at him to read him well. I've never had the feeling that he thinks much ahead in games which is why the thing Rayn brought up makes me doubt about him. I'm using Rayn's meta reads on him mostly. Rayn mentioned how Kush mostly likes giving Town reads as scum because they're easy. This game, he started out with town reads and gave a few scumreads later on but didn't really expand on any of them. What rubbed me the wrong way most was how he reacted regarding Zarepath though. His confidence on Zare's towniness when the whole town was against him felt like he knew too much. His Balla defense is also incriminating. The only thing that makes me think we're dealing with a town Kush here was the thing regarding the VT claim, but that may be enough. Bleh. What did you mean by this? It's the only time you mention me without calling me town... You two were the leading wagons like 30 minutes from the lynch. I wanted him to pick a side to hold him accountable to after the flip. It wasn't that my read on you has changed. What do you think about Barristan? | ||
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