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suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 23 2014 01:31 GMT
#1341
Which question are you talking about Artanis?
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 23 2014 01:32 GMT
#1342
i'm here but half-idling cuz im in the middle of something
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 23 2014 01:35 GMT
#1343
On January 22 2014 17:37 BarristanTheBold wrote:
suki: what the hell happened to me?

You were fucking voting me less than an hour before deadline, and i weakly hopped on the balla wagon with "Shit customers." and threw my vote down. Now you don't even mention me? What gives?


On January 22 2014 23:22 suki wrote:
Barristan, I don't find you scummy. I was in panic mode and honestly playing like shit at the time.

On January 23 2014 09:14 BarristanTheBold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 08:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
What do you think of Suki? You questioned her about yourself but you didn't reply to her explanation. Did you find her explanation acceptable? What's your read on her?

Her explanation doesn't make much sense, but I don't think she's scum. Too interested/active/particpating. There was no point in continuing the conversation.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 23 2014 01:38 GMT
#1344
If he thinks I'm town and he believes me, then there isn't any reason to continue to pressure me. I agree with his logic there and the time and effort is better spent going after his scum reads.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 23 2014 01:39 GMT
#1345
On January 23 2014 10:38 suki wrote:
If he thinks I'm town and he believes me, then there isn't any reason to continue to pressure me. I agree with his logic there and the time and effort is better spent going after his scum reads.

But why did he ask the question if he doesn't find you suspicious? If he does, then a suspicious answer should result in him pressuring you further. If he doesn't, then even bringing up the question doesn't make sense.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 23 2014 01:41 GMT
#1346
Hm.. Answering that question will need a bit more attention than what I have right now. I'll address it hopefully later tonight.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 23 2014 01:44 GMT
#1347
I hate to say it, but we should probably look more into this:

On January 23 2014 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BIG POST.

Yes, VE answered bum. He did.
bum is probably mafia.

Mafia in: JL, bum, Artanis, Bannister.

good luck guys!


I have a town read on barristan, and I don't think rayn's read on him is all that strong.

On January 22 2014 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BarristanTheBold is the next one. There is pretty much nothing he says that has to do with this game. Every single piece of analysis he does is based on what someone did in some other game and how it compares to this on. He does not even talk about anything that's happened in this game lol.


This is all he says, and it's meta based, which is arguable.

Rayn's Artanis read is weak as well, but I don't think that counts him out in the slightest. I wouldn't lynch artanis if he started being more active, but if time is honestly his most debilitating constraint, he's null to me. I could see why people want to axe JLaw reading his filter, and his play is very similar to his scum PYP game. I'd be ok with lynching him.

Kush is probably still my top scumread, and I would like to hear why not.

And fuck rayn for saying VE answered me, he most certainly did not. Read it again. If I'm lying, lynch me.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 23 2014 01:50 GMT
#1348
Bum where does your Barristan town read come from?
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 23 2014 01:51 GMT
#1349
On January 23 2014 10:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 09:53 suki wrote:
Hey Barristan, since you're pushing Artanis/bum so much, I assume you're thinking there's a chance Jonny might be town.

What do you think of Jonny's progression from thinking Zarepath looked genuine for getting angry after VE's blowup, to voting Zarepath as his number one choice for lynch day 1?

Hey Suki, if you're still here, what do you think of Barristan's answer regarding the question he sent your way?
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 10:13 bumatlarge wrote:
You people are really overestimating my scum game. I think the connection between myself and artanis is null. I don't think Artanis would defend me if we were both scum, he knows I'm volatile. Also, while we both suspected rayn for a time and we both changed that opinion, that is not something that scum do. Based on that alone, one of us being scum would make sense, because tracing a townie's line of thought is fairly scummy, but I don't believe Artanis and I were ever pushing people for the same reasons, including kush, but that's what I want to clarify.

Artanis, could you clarify your reasons for pushing kush? Do you know his meta? I thought his connection to balla was incriminating, and I am also not convinced by the way he claimed VT. But everything else from him has been borderline. I suggest you build a case, because I don't have a town read on you.

I have played a few games with kush but I've usually been too annoyed at him to read him well. I've never had the feeling that he thinks much ahead in games which is why the thing Rayn brought up makes me doubt about him. I'm using Rayn's meta reads on him mostly. Rayn mentioned how Kush mostly likes giving Town reads as scum because they're easy. This game, he started out with town reads and gave a few scumreads later on but didn't really expand on any of them. What rubbed me the wrong way most was how he reacted regarding Zarepath though. His confidence on Zare's towniness when the whole town was against him felt like he knew too much. His Balla defense is also incriminating. The only thing that makes me think we're dealing with a town Kush here was the thing regarding the VT claim, but that may be enough. Bleh.

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Where is everyone? Barristan, why aren't you engaging in conversation? It's probably between Kush and Bum today. Who do you think is scummier and why?


What did you mean by this? It's the only time you mention me without calling me town...

You two were the leading wagons like 30 minutes from the lynch. I wanted him to pick a side to hold him accountable to after the flip. It wasn't that my read on you has changed.

What do you think about Barristan?


I like this. And I thought that's what you meant about me. Don't lynch this guy anytime soon. If we are scumteam, then oh well, you caught us.

The last thing kush said about zarepath before the lynch.

On January 22 2014 02:09 kushm4sta wrote:
Zarepath just seems like a an honest semi newbie


To be fair, it was a unique situation, where we all switched on to him, rayn changed his mind, and we all switched off him. IT didn't seem as though kush was that interested in not lynching Zarepath, but covering his bases if he were to flip town.

##Vote kushm4sta
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 23 2014 01:54 GMT
#1350
Do you think Kush would've said this if he were scum though?
On January 23 2014 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can explain the town read on kush. It's the way he said i claimed named VT at the start of the game and how he explained it later on. I really believe what he says about it.

Here:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 07:37 kushm4sta wrote:
so what happened is i thought i was a named VT and only named vts got names.

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote:
I thought omg rayn is claiming named vt like i am

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote:
then rayn said
"everyone gets named"
i looked back and noticed i was green

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 07:40 kushm4sta wrote:
On January 22 2014 07:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 22 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote:
I thought omg rayn is claiming named vt like i am

so are you claiming named VT?
or what the fuck are you saying?

I THOUGHT i was named vt just because i had a name.
I didn't realize normal vts got names.

This makes me think he is town, because it makes sense based on what he said and how he acted at the start of the game.

It is something I have a hard time coupling with a scum Kush.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
January 23 2014 02:09 GMT
#1351
On January 23 2014 03:39 bumatlarge wrote:
Honestly I choose not to interact with because it would be awkward after coaching him. So there is something to what you are reading into. I don't like to lynch/kill new players early to let them play the game. I don't care about vets or myself going in blind since we will come back eventually. New players can easily be discouraged if they are lynched early.

That's about the only reason you are finding a connection. I'm bumatlarge, you don't think I know how to ineract with my teammates when I'm scum?



On January 23 2014 10:13 bumatlarge wrote:
You people are really overestimating my scum game. I think the connection between myself and artanis is null. I don't think Artanis would defend me if we were both scum, he knows I'm volatile. Also, while we both suspected rayn for a time and we both changed that opinion, that is not something that scum do. Based on that alone, one of us being scum would make sense, because tracing a townie's line of thought is fairly scummy, but I don't believe Artanis and I were ever pushing people for the same reasons, including kush, but that's what I want to clarify.

Artanis, could you clarify your reasons for pushing kush? Do you know his meta? I thought his connection to balla was incriminating, and I am also not convinced by the way he claimed VT. But everything else from him has been borderline. I suggest you build a case, because I don't have a town read on you.

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Where is everyone? Barristan, why aren't you engaging in conversation? It's probably between Kush and Bum today. Who do you think is scummier and why?


What did you mean by this? It's the only time you mention me without calling me town...


So which is it bum? Are we overestimating or underestimating your scum game?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
BarristanTheBold
Profile Joined February 2013
Angola89 Posts
January 23 2014 02:14 GMT
#1352
On January 23 2014 10:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 10:38 suki wrote:
If he thinks I'm town and he believes me, then there isn't any reason to continue to pressure me. I agree with his logic there and the time and effort is better spent going after his scum reads.

But why did he ask the question if he doesn't find you suspicious? If he does, then a suspicious answer should result in him pressuring you further. If he doesn't, then even bringing up the question doesn't make sense.

So what you're saying is that if I have someone in my "likely town" column, and they make a bullshit post, that I should let it slide and not point it out because there's no way I could be wrong? Okay, got it.

Sarcasm aside, my point was that her response wasn't particularly satisfactory, but it wasn't scummy enough to overcome the rest of what she's done.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 23 2014 02:14 GMT
#1353
On January 23 2014 10:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Bum where does your Barristan town read come from?


His zarepath case seemed genuine, he called attention to him, while no one was pressuring him until then. Zarepath could have been an easy target, but Barristan provided very believable reasons.
On January 21 2014 09:14 BarristanTheBold wrote:
Okay fellas, the person we should be voting for today is: zarepath

Why, you ask?

Well, let's take a look at his last game as town: The Game

There are a couple of things we can notice from his filter that are already different from his few posts in this game:

1) The length and analysis of his posts in general. Yea, he had some smaller posts, but for the most part he was in there getting his hands dirty and trying to figure the game out despite not really posting a lot. What I mean is, when he did post, he was contributing meaningful things to the thread. He was question people, making points about a lot of people, etc etc. This game, literally the only thing he has talked about was VE, and even then he's just parroting other people's points into a big post to justify his vote.

Pre-Edit: I will note that I did like this part of his VE case, which gives me a slight pause, but it's not enough, IMO.

Show nested quote +
zarepath wrote:
Note that the entirety of this post is actually justifying why he is no longer voting for Wiley, and not at ALL why he is now voting for bumatlarge.


2) Now, for the kicker. Look at how he votes and pushes his scum reads. Hint: he doesn't. He limps in to every vote with some bit of analysis, and then no pressure whatsoever because he doesn't trust his votes. He bounces around talking about a bunch of different people without ever focusing on a singular read. In short, he doesn't tunnel like...ever.


TL;DR Zarepath made a convenient case parroting other people's points about VE as soon as thread sentiment starting turning towards VE and has done nothing but tunnel him with very little actual analysis or attempt to figure the game out, which is completely the opposite of how zarepath played as town in the past. He be scum, yo.


I haven't seen tells that put him on the shitlist. I believe his vote timings were townie as well. He unvoted his top scumread when I don't believe he had to, especially when the lynchee was going to be a mystery. He did not jump on the kush vote, although that is null, but he did not jump on me either, but he was debating it in a heated moment in the thread with rayn. He did put the unnecessary vote on balla, but he was very invested in where the vote was and wasn't going. I got townie feels from the exchange. I could be wrong.

It would be worthwhile to analyze the votes. I think that's what I'm going to do.
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bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 23 2014 02:16 GMT
#1354
On January 23 2014 11:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 03:39 bumatlarge wrote:
Honestly I choose not to interact with because it would be awkward after coaching him. So there is something to what you are reading into. I don't like to lynch/kill new players early to let them play the game. I don't care about vets or myself going in blind since we will come back eventually. New players can easily be discouraged if they are lynched early.

That's about the only reason you are finding a connection. I'm bumatlarge, you don't think I know how to ineract with my teammates when I'm scum?



Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 10:13 bumatlarge wrote:
You people are really overestimating my scum game. I think the connection between myself and artanis is null. I don't think Artanis would defend me if we were both scum, he knows I'm volatile. Also, while we both suspected rayn for a time and we both changed that opinion, that is not something that scum do. Based on that alone, one of us being scum would make sense, because tracing a townie's line of thought is fairly scummy, but I don't believe Artanis and I were ever pushing people for the same reasons, including kush, but that's what I want to clarify.

Artanis, could you clarify your reasons for pushing kush? Do you know his meta? I thought his connection to balla was incriminating, and I am also not convinced by the way he claimed VT. But everything else from him has been borderline. I suggest you build a case, because I don't have a town read on you.

On January 22 2014 07:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Where is everyone? Barristan, why aren't you engaging in conversation? It's probably between Kush and Bum today. Who do you think is scummier and why?


What did you mean by this? It's the only time you mention me without calling me town...


So which is it bum? Are we overestimating or underestimating your scum game?


When you find out I'm town by the end of this game, please don't take it out on me. It's your own fault.
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suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 23 2014 02:18 GMT
#1355
Barristan could you answer my question about Jonny please
BarristanTheBold
Profile Joined February 2013
Angola89 Posts
January 23 2014 02:20 GMT
#1356
I will when I get home in ~30 minutes.
BarristanTheBold
Profile Joined February 2013
Angola89 Posts
January 23 2014 02:25 GMT
#1357
Never mind I'll do it now; this doesn't really need a huge long answer and quotes/etc. I already said the case what solid and I do think there's a reasonable chance that Jonny is scum.

I've just seen too many townies make some logic slip and get lynched for it. What makes this one 100% scum?

Also his anger at rayn felt not totally contrived/fake. Giving up and martyring is bullshit though.
suki
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada1159 Posts
January 23 2014 02:27 GMT
#1358
No I mean, what do you think of Jonny's progression from thinking Zarepath looked genuine for getting angry after VE's blowup, to voting Zarepath as his number one choice for lynch day 1?
BarristanTheBold
Profile Joined February 2013
Angola89 Posts
January 23 2014 02:42 GMT
#1359
Oh, my reading comprehension fails. I thought we were discussing his flip-flop on balla, which has already been talked about pretty extensively.

Yea, his flip-flop on zare was super weird too.

I asked him about it:

On January 22 2014 04:22 BarristanTheBold wrote:
Hey Jonny. What changed between:

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2014 03:06 JonnyLaw wrote:
Zerepath seems genuine when he went after VE then even angry when people let VE get away with saying I can't help you if even consider me as scum.

On January 21 2014 06:32 zarepath wrote:
On January 21 2014 06:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well lynch me then. I can't help a town unwilling to help themselves.


Yes, since it's completely unreasonable for you to have to defend yourself against scum suspicions, right? Any town that would do that DESERVES to lose!



and your vote for him? All that stuff you are voting him for was already in his filter whenever you made this post. Why the very sudden change of heart?


and he said

On January 22 2014 04:39 JonnyLaw wrote:
@barristan because I went back and reread his filter again, and again, and again. Then I went back to where the they fit into the thread and looked at context.


Which is just an answer with no answer, ya know? I dunno, the whole thing felt pretty sketchy, but Zare said something else silly pretty soon after that and I got sucked back into my super-tunnel and forgot about it.
bumatlarge
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States4567 Posts
January 23 2014 02:45 GMT
#1360
On January 23 2014 10:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Do you think Kush would've said this if he were scum though?
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2014 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I can explain the town read on kush. It's the way he said i claimed named VT at the start of the game and how he explained it later on. I really believe what he says about it.

Here:
On January 22 2014 07:37 kushm4sta wrote:
so what happened is i thought i was a named VT and only named vts got names.

On January 22 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote:
I thought omg rayn is claiming named vt like i am

On January 22 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote:
then rayn said
"everyone gets named"
i looked back and noticed i was green

On January 22 2014 07:40 kushm4sta wrote:
On January 22 2014 07:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 22 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote:
I thought omg rayn is claiming named vt like i am

so are you claiming named VT?
or what the fuck are you saying?

I THOUGHT i was named vt just because i had a name.
I didn't realize normal vts got names.

This makes me think he is town, because it makes sense based on what he said and how he acted at the start of the game.

It is something I have a hard time coupling with a scum Kush.


Well shit. I thought kush was referring to right that moment, I didn't know he was referring to the beginning of the thread. It looks like kush is purposefully lying if you take it in the other context. This makes tons more sense.

Sorry kush
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