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On January 14 2014 22:17 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2014 15:25 Coagulation wrote:
and to be fair it was like the most useless 5th anyway. we'd almost made a 4-man confirmed circle of players who weren't getting killed anytime soon. We have a very different understanding of useless.
You and BH together wasted 10 hours of time for one of the most capable player in this game (based purely on the time people devote to the game).
You were not only useless you were playing towards mafia's wincon.
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On January 14 2014 22:23 marvellosity wrote:
should've just listened to me in the first place when I said there was 0 chance they were mafia :/
The thing is i know you most likely don't read all the logs and check the timestamps and stuff (afaik you did not even read the ve-wos log). I do. 
And that's why those fuckers were anti-town.
Like i asked them to give you the logs. Why not just say "okay, we'll do that".
Instead BH comes with some bullshit "what if 'PM's to me". Fucking distraction.
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On January 14 2014 22:25 marvellosity wrote:
Because I already knew the correct answer with absolute certainty
It does not matter if you know, if they distract all the other capable townies you lose ~80% of scumhunting potential in the game.
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On January 14 2014 22:26 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2014 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 14 2014 22:17 Hopeless1der wrote:On January 14 2014 15:25 Coagulation wrote:
and to be fair it was like the most useless 5th anyway. we'd almost made a 4-man confirmed circle of players who weren't getting killed anytime soon. We have a very different understanding of useless. You and BH together wasted 10 hours of time for one of the most capable player in this game (based purely on the time people devote to the game). You were not only useless you were playing towards mafia's wincon. That was entirely your fault
I strongly disagree. I don't think you even know what happened.
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Well whatever. I am not playing PM games because people do not know how to play PM games.
So this discussion is quite useless.
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The thing is he refused to give the logs to marv, who already knew bum was mason, for ~3 hours.
If i was in BH's situation as mafia, i would have faked convincing logs 100%. I am sure BH is capable of doing something like that as mafia.
The bottom line is not that you refused to give the logs to me. It's that there is no reason to start squirming and refuse to give the logs to a confirmed town (marv) in the first place for 3 hours and make somebullshit PM's to me about it.
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It's impossible to explain anything to you Hopeless. Fine, you just don't get it.
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Given the position mafia was in when Hopeless claimed and given that would mean bum/BH/Hopeless + someone as scum yes, i could see Blazinghand make that retarded play as mafia. I don't know if i should cry or laugh as i even considered that.
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On January 14 2014 22:47 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2014 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's impossible to explain anything to you Hopeless. Fine, you just don't get it. no rayn, you concocted this conspiracy theory when the simple answer was that we didnt want to paint a target on our backs. We didnt make ourselves a distraction. I tried to use my "confirmed" town status to get townreads from people in an attempt to assist marv choose his bodyguards (not that he needed it) because I thought that was a useful thing to do during the night phase when they were still available to be chosen. You took this action to be purely mafia motivated and proceed to shit up the thread and rage when we don't want to share everything with you.
The problem is there is zero townie reason to ask if i have discussed bodyguards with marv.
I have no idea what you were thinking but that was so scummy. I asked about it from 10 players and they all went "yeah, that dude who did it is so scum".
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On January 14 2014 22:50 Hopeless1der wrote:
yes, normally that is a scummy question, but I was practically confirmed town. When I asked you that, I expected you to run to marv and ask permission. You go full pants on head instead. That's not my fault.
No, you did go pants on head with BH. If you can't understand that then there is nothing to talk about.
The solid proof of it is ~10 players who thought you were mafia.
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For example suchdoge, yamato, Koshi.. Yes, besides me at least those people seriously considered them being mafia.
It's not my fault townies do so stupid stuff it makes absolutely zero sense.
And all this could be avoided if BH said "yeah don't worry, i'll PM the logs to marv", instead of saying this:
what if marv posts in the thread right now that i've pmed him something that's even better than those logs in terms of confirming me and hopeless town, and that thing is also something he can't post what it is? then would you believe me?
this is the most retarded thing i have seen a townie do EVER in a mafia game.
~10 players who did not know who asked. If you told them it was me or BH they'd have been like "hmm......okay maybe they're not masons, but thats not as scummy anymore. I guess keep an eye on them or something"
I specifically said Koshi, yamato and suchdoge because i told them it was you. So no, you went pants on head, not me.
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Yeah i am the worst player ever when "confirmed townies" are the most anti-town players in the game, do retarded shit when they can easily avoid it, then proceed on modkilling their mason group. On top of that they don't even try to play the game.
Fucking brilliant.
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On January 14 2014 23:21 Koshi wrote:
We lynched a scum, we had at least 5 confirmed towns D1, another 8 pretty high on the townlist.
Not only was scum KP reduced from start we had a doc save on N1 as well. confirming both as town.
There was like tops 8 possible scummers left and they would be figured out. Pretty sure.
Taking Rean's save into account @ D2 start i had every townie as "can't possibly be mafia" besides VE/gumshoe and i think VE could have easily proven he is town.
No way town was going to lose that game. Absolutely no way.
Oh right, chinstrap.
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Aquanim you were really good! The pressure on JAT was so good! <3
Also Slam was really good, probably the best play i have ever seen from him!
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On January 14 2014 23:28 marvellosity wrote:
yeah Aqua seems to be one of those slow starters who inevitably gets into his stride.
Kinda like jat (when he is town)
Aside from working with you i had really fun working with thrawn. We played good cop - bad cop and it basically confirmed Aquanim as town for us on D1. Next target was gonna be JAT but we never got that far.
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Has there ever been a Caller game that had an ending? Besides Mexican standoff.
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I never saw any dicks so your story fails.. 
10/10 still.
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Who are the current mayor candidates?
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On January 28 2014 03:15 kushm4sta wrote:
Rayn, people who bc might kill are bh, qp, mocsta
Ve wants to kill bh.
Alaka has claimed to everyone in pms
I'm still reading.
Slam and BH are town. So is Mocsta, talking with thrawn too, i think he is town too.
Ugh, early on i had some townread but i forgot that. I'll read BC & VE next.
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At this moment I am voting for whoever lynches QuantumPope or Tehpoofer.
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Oh it was Balla i had a townread on. Yes he is town.
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On January 28 2014 03:33 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I'll change my lynch from BH to QP if you vote for me right now.
I'd rather have someone as mayor who doesn't flip his shit when someone does not want to claim to them 1h into the game.. sorry.
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Why isn't bumatlarge campaigning any more?
He was so surely "the best player on earth" according to himself at the start of the game..
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On January 28 2014 03:33 kushm4sta wrote:
Why is mocsta town? I really don't see it.
i trust thrawn in his read on Mocsta.
Thrawn seems town and even if he is scum i doubt he would lie.
Anyways Mocsta is not a good D1 lynch.
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#Vote: raynpelikoneet
BH is going to be a mislynch.
I will lynch QuantumPope who is really likely to be scum.
Generic list of reads with no reasoning. Then he calls people out for not giving reasoning. Instead of talking with BC about his reads / lynch targets he calls out other people. Alot of (well pretty much all after the first post which was bad) his comments are defensive and imply inherent guilt and insecureness. Like;
I came in with bleh contributions that I backed up to the best of my ability. My vanishing act, which I do not agree with, was due to previous commitments but I try to remain as active as possible. I asked you to inquire about my scum reads yet I have yet to see you ask about them.
Wh00ttt? Points out his own posting is bad.. He is okay with people calling him out of vanishing but it wasn'treally vanishing?!?! Last sentence does not really say anything, because he didn't really even discuss any reads with BC. It was just "why those and not these people" and then the conversation ended, at least on his part.
Long posts that doesn't seem to say anything, for instance the one I am quoting, doesn't really do anything for town. I could write a 2000 word post going into specifics of various individuals in the thread but I find it posts like that only hinder town.
Gratz you just did that with your 1st post.
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Skanjab1s why did you decide to PM Wile in the first place instead of other people you know better? Or do you know him?
What's your read on Wile before he replaced?
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tbh bumatlarge looks really really terrible.
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On January 28 2014 04:20 StorrZerg wrote:
bc you are weired
going in right direction at least
null for now
ty
the batman has spoken
The dude thinks you are mafia, that's all his reads have changed based on thread.
Would you want to elaborate why you think that's "a better direction"?
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On January 28 2014 04:44 kushm4sta wrote:
ive seen no reason to think rayn is town yet. His read on bum is purely based on afking and just weird.
You have no idea where my read on bum is based on.
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On January 28 2014 04:48 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:On January 28 2014 04:24 Skanjab1s wrote:
Don't vote rayn he's so much worse than BC for mayor you sillies Maybe explain this in a little detail? BC has shown himself to be way townier than rayn, and imo, townBC has a better chance of lynching scum D1 than a townrayn does
Explain both of your statements here.
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On January 28 2014 04:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 04:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 28 2014 04:44 kushm4sta wrote:
ive seen no reason to think rayn is town yet. His read on bum is purely based on afking and just weird. You have no idea where my read on bum is based on. Enlighten us
All bumatlarge has done is talked about his mayoral campaign in thread. He has some bad reads, and then he suddenly "decided" he is not good enough on D1 for mayor and just votes for BC for no apparent reason.
Hasn't tried to talk to VE - who is the other candidate. I am still unsure about his reasons for voting BC, i am trying to figure that out. Anyways all he has done on D1 he threw into the trashcan for some reason.
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What's your problem with me VE? Is it that i do not agree with your read on BH? Why are you suddenly so angry when i replaced in?
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So why in your opinion people, is mafia!Blazinghand not doing anything to prevent his lynch? Both of BC/VE want to lynch BH and he is doing nothing about it. Sounds like a good mafia strategy?
Everyone who is voting for BC/VE explain this now because if you are voting for either of them you think BH is mafia and you have an explanation for this.
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On January 28 2014 05:13 Skanjab1s wrote:
They aren't BS, they are based on my experience with rayn.
And BC has done enough in the thread for me to be happy with him being mayor
I have posted more reads than BC has. So at least this is pure BS.
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On January 28 2014 05:16 kushm4sta wrote:
your reads are one liners except for qp which bc already made a case against
Apparently you don't have a problem with my reads because you are not questioning them besides bum read which i explained when asked.
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So instead of questioning a mayor candidate about his reads you just do nothing?
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kushmasta answer me this:
On January 28 2014 05:14 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So why in your opinion people, is mafia!Blazinghand not doing anything to prevent his lynch? Both of BC/VE want to lynch BH and he is doing nothing about it. Sounds like a good mafia strategy?
Everyone who is voting for BC/VE explain this now because if you are voting for either of them you think BH is mafia and you have an explanation for this.
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Well your impression is wrong.
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Well then you guys refuse to answer me, you lynch him, he flips town and then you need to explain.
Whatever rocks your boat.
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On January 28 2014 05:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Need to explain what? I've laid out my reasons VERY clearly for why I think BH is scum.
<raynpelikoneet> first of all; the claim stuff is not scummy
<raynpelikoneet> I don't know how defending QP is scummy if he thinks QP is town
<raynpelikoneet> also his point about Grack is not alignment indicative
<raynpelikoneet> like what he is trying to accomplish?
<raynpelikoneet> Not elect Grack but ot elct you or BC?
<VisceraEyes> Elect himself rayn, he was "running"
<VisceraEyes> Still is.
<raynpelikoneet> How is that scummy, if you and BC are town and Grack is too and BH is mafia - if i was BH i would elect Grack 100x more than you/BC
<raynpelikoneet> he can't get elected with the dumb things he does
<VisceraEyes> How would you justify it rayn
<raynpelikoneet> and he knows it
<raynpelikoneet> :D
<raynpelikoneet> i really don't think he is even trying to get elected
<VisceraEyes> Well what is he trying to accomplish now then? He's voting for himself because he wants to lynch me
<raynpelikoneet> i don't know, maybe he thinks you are scum for some reason
<raynpelikoneet> like
<raynpelikoneet> he wanted to fucking lynch marv in the original LXIV
<VisceraEyes> Well from his perspective weird shit was going on
<VisceraEyes> I guess
<VisceraEyes> I don't even know
<VisceraEyes> Whatever man, but I'm gonna lynch him. I don't think he's a mislynch.
<raynpelikoneet> well
<raynpelikoneet> if you get elected it's your call.
<raynpelikoneet> i think you are wrong
<VisceraEyes> Okay.
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On January 28 2014 05:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why is your only question some sort of WIFOM bullshit? He apparently IS doing stuff about it in PMs rayn that's the entire point.
So what is this stuff and how does it translate to the thread?
Like all these people voting for BH and him pushing his agenda here?
What is that statement? i don't even know what you are trying to say.
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Do you people even fucking care what other people do and say in PM's and why do they do it?
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So why is BH's stuff regarding the claim shit scummy and thrawn's not?
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On January 28 2014 06:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I won't actually lynch QP or BH if you guys elect me. I will lynch Bum.
rofl. QP pretty much claimed scum in his last post.
Nothing in that post makes sense.
VE is scum because he feels town. right?
bum is mafia because he agrees with BC, but BC for mayor!
BH is not scum but let's elect a mayor who lynches BH!
that dude is 100% scum.
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Also second choise for mayor is VE who is scum.
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No it isn't good. There is no thinking behind why would mafia!BH do what he did and why not town!BH.
It's just weird stuff that was tunred into scummy for some reason.
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EBWOP: Last post to GGTeMpLar about VE's read on BH.
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On January 28 2014 06:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
what's EBWOP stand for btw
edit by way of post, like adding stuff or correcting stuff to the last post of yours.
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On January 28 2014 06:10 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 06:07 Blazinghand wrote:
qp obviously scum. contradictions. votes guy who lynch townread I've had a few pm convos with him and it makes me second-guess the scumread on him. Purely based on the thread I'd definitely call him scum though.
S owhat does he think in PM's then?
Share with the thread.
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Well put the friggin' PM's in the thread so we can see what this all is about for fucks sake!
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So where did you talk with him then?
He implies in thread noone has talked with him off thread.
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Because you are fucking saying you had a conversation with him, he says noone has had a conversation with him and you don't thave the conversation to back that up. That's fucking fishy as shit.
So how did the convo go. On top of your mind. That's important.
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On January 28 2014 06:27 Balla24 wrote:
Can confirm they often talk in zoom chat if that means anything. Cannot confirm the conversation actually took place that he is referencing though. But they do use that method of communication. Doubtful there are records.
Just to clarify. I do not think GGTeMpLaR is mafia. I want to know if QP says different shit than he brings in thread because apparently GGTeMpLaR is not experienced enough to do the math himself. Or does not pay attention. and you should ALWAYS save the logs, because otherwise the conversation is worthless as you can't back up what you are saying.
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Okay so he is saying something to you and then not doing what he says in thread.
So he is mafia.
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On January 28 2014 06:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
##vote bloodyc0bbler
The swing on rayn doesnt sit with me well given how little time hes
A) had to catch up and
B) how buddy buddy he is with my top scum read.
Thoughts on QP's last post?
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If GGtemplar and Storr do not pick sides i consider them mafia.
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BC comment on the QP post now!
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On January 28 2014 06:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 06:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BC comment on the QP post now! It looks bad. But hey, hes been on radars all day? Tell me why you think its legit for BH to be pulling the shit hes been doing.
Because that's what he does. There is nothing scummy in what VE pointed out for example.
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No you are not, Storr is lurking.
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this is gonna be so pants on head.
i can tell you
you majorly fucked up.
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Or might wanna swap BC with VE.
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Depending on who he lynches.
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Maybe kush is the fourth scum then.. hmm..
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Why should BH bring up a case if he does not want to lynch you on D2?
Like who the hell cares if he has a case or not if it's not in thread? Why do you even care?
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So Oats you wanted to talk to me about BC but didn't really talk about BC and instead just had nothing to say besides listening to who i think is mafia. Why?
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On January 28 2014 15:22 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 15:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Oats you wanted to talk to me about BC but didn't really talk about BC and instead just had nothing to say besides listening to who i think is mafia. Why? because Im not gonna change your mind and you arent gonna change my mind.
Then what's the point of asking in the first place?
bumatlarge why do you post questions to me in thread when i have answered you and you can just post the answers?
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On January 28 2014 15:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
bum i think you might wanna check with rayn and let him answer thoese questions. i'm not sure if thats exactly who he wanted lynchexd
He has my fucking answers. That's fluff, the whole part about me.
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He literally PM'd me about that one hour ago. Here:
Original Message From raynpelikoneet: 1 & 2) - I wanted to lynch QP and only QP. Did not consider lynching anyone else. - I considered BC scum since his refusal to talk with me about QP and his terrible lynch on Storr. - I consider(ed) you scum because all you did was had a mayor campaign, then you dropped it for no apparent reason and just voted for BC with no reasoning. - I considered Storr mafia because BC had him as #2 scumread but Storr refused to elect me and wanted to elect BC (seems pretty stupid given he is BC's top 2 scumread - apparently he was just stupid) 3) thrawn + thread. Blazinghand is clearly town for what i said many times in thread. I would love to have your logs with BC and hopefully one of you guys have them and send them to me. Otherwise it's really goddamn fishy because BC has not really implied his interest in lynching either Mocsta/GG, ever. Show nested quote +Original Message From bumatlarge: Can you give me 1) Who you were going to lynch 2) People you considered 3) People you were in contact with about these I'm assuming number 1 and 2 are among these On January 28 2014 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
QP
BC
Storr
bum
ezpz But I want your clarification. I know you are thinking what I am thinking. I wasn't going to be too active, so there was no reason to stay in the race, especially if I know it wasn't going to gain momentum. I voted BC because he seemed to be on board with lynching mocsta or templar. Obviously things changed since then and I want to know who he else he was considering. BH and QP?
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How can you even make an assumption i considerd those people for the lynch because i made the post AFTER THE DEADLINE?!?!
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On January 28 2014 15:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
i blame thrawn for the storr lynch.
Don't be stupid again Oats.
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Like bumatlarge makes a post that's behind 20 pages in thread and 10 PM's.
Cool.
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On January 28 2014 15:34 bumatlarge wrote:
Sorry rayn, I started writing the post at the same time i got your PM. I may have forgotten to edit it.
Okay nevermind. Just make your conclusions.
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On January 28 2014 15:40 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 15:34 Mocsta wrote:
I blame oats for not running for mayor
Don't like the lynch. Control it yourself Dude for me, that storr lynch came out of nowhere.
Yeah, blame BC. Nobody told him to lynch Storrzerg.
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Like how the fuck can you possibly blame anyone but him in the first place?
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The dude lynched a guy who literally made him mayor!
seriously. and you are sure he is town.
what oats? WHAT?
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I vouch hard for QP lynch.
Storrzerg makes BC mayor.
Storrzerg can't possible be mafia unless they don't wanna lynch QP - otherwise he had just voted for me.
AND BC LYNCHES HIM ?!?!?!
BC can't be town. He just can't be.
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On January 28 2014 21:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 15:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I vouch hard for QP lynch.
Storrzerg makes BC mayor.
Storrzerg can't possible be mafia unless they don't wanna lynch QP - otherwise he had just voted for me.
AND BC LYNCHES HIM ?!?!?!
BC can't be town. He just can't be. have to leave for work in like 10 minutes then im back for awhile but seriously dude? I clearly stated earlier in thread when I put a stance on BH that storr was my #2 pick for a lynch. Factor in my uneasiness about him with the clearly wtf vote retardation an you get that lynch. The guy clearly was trying to manipulate the vote in a way that suited his own personal interests. To be quite honest when thrawn convinced me to not off BH the only two people I was willing to even lynch were GGtemp and storr. The fact you think Im scum because I didn't lynch your choice is absolutely retarded. The fact you are using that lynch that was clearly founded as a reason to call me scum makes me doubt the logic you guys used to pin QP as even legit. I honestly dont get you whatsoever.
Why i think you are mafia is:
1) You apparently have some good logs between you and bumatlarge and you and Storrzerg which should give a more clear picture about what the fuck you have been doing on D1. Your read on Storrzerg is really fishy and is based on "he talks in PM's and not in thread, and fishy actions in PM's". That's shit. Now, back that shit up by giving me the logs between you and bum, and you and Storrzerg. I asked those logs for over 12h ago. It's not a hard task, go to irc -> click logs -> pick the right person -> copy+paste -> send pm. It's really easy.
2) You executed a guy who made you mayor. You need to explain me how you came to a conclusion that mafia dude made you a mayor over me, who would have executed your apparently not even in #3 scumreads dude. Because it makes no fucking sense unless you think QuantumPope is mafia. And if you think so Storrzerg as mafia makes only sense by association. So, explain. Who did you think is mafia when you executed Storrzerg?
3) You refuse to comment on QuatumPope. I hope you have pretty damn good reasons for him being town right now because they guy almost literally claimed mafia in thread.
4) Your reason for not liking me is because "i have not have time to catch up". I can fucking assure you i have devoted at least 5x more time to this game on D1 than you have and continue to do so. So that reason is bullshit and you know it already because i posted way more content and reads on D1 than you did. I call bullshit.
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I also think kush nailed your QP read pretty hard on the wall. rofl.
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Lynch QuantumPope on D2!
Here is why:
I already pointed out the early game of QP in one of my first posts. Here:
On January 28 2014 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:#Vote: raynpelikoneetBH is going to be a mislynch. I will lynch QuantumPope who is really likely to be scum. Generic list of reads with no reasoning. Then he calls people out for not giving reasoning. Instead of talking with BC about his reads / lynch targets he calls out other people. Alot of (well pretty much all after the first post which was bad) his comments are defensive and imply inherent guilt and insecureness. Like; Show nested quote +I came in with bleh contributions that I backed up to the best of my ability. My vanishing act, which I do not agree with, was due to previous commitments but I try to remain as active as possible. I asked you to inquire about my scum reads yet I have yet to see you ask about them. Wh00ttt? Points out his own posting is bad.. He is okay with people calling him out of vanishing but it wasn'treally vanishing?!?! Last sentence does not really say anything, because he didn't really even discuss any reads with BC. It was just "why those and not these people" and then the conversation ended, at least on his part. Show nested quote +Long posts that doesn't seem to say anything, for instance the one I am quoting, doesn't really do anything for town. I could write a 2000 word post going into specifics of various individuals in the thread but I find it posts like that only hinder town. Gratz you just did that with your 1st post.
When he comes back in thread he makes this post:
On January 28 2014 05:54 QuantumPope wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 04:17 thrawn2112 wrote:
anyone talked to QP in PM/irc? also i would like to see sum bum logs if someone wouldn't mind sending some Not a soul has spoken to me. I feel like I've missed out on a significant amount chatter behind the scenes but apparently a lot of people are making assumptions based on PMs. I've been trying to give the best reads possible with the lack of information. In my opinion, I am trying to play this as honestly as possible with giving all my reads to the thread. If anything I'm just disappointed that you don't seem to be reading me as town BC. My reads have changed though and I'll give my final scum reads written here: Skanjab1s - Claiming to be PMing people who haven't been involved yet I have yet to see anything from him so that makes me suspicious. Not liking his "experience" reads, especially on a player just joining the fray.
StorrZerg - Seems to be taking a lot of his content to PM and not sharing it with the rest of the crowd. His reasoning for not voting BC just seems off to me and I feel like I'm not getting the whole picture of Storr's play.
tehpoofter - Max lurk.
VE - feels fine in my books but I don't really know why he doesn't think BC is town.
bum - Just seems to be reading off of BC's reads but he really didn't give explanations for his own. Did not enjoy this.
As for my vote: BC seems extremely active today now and his specific attacks on people who are claiming things in private seem very town to me. While I don't agree with his lynch on BH or his read on myself, I think his overall reads are leading town in the right direction. He seems to know the majority of the players in this game and seems to have well established reads on them. VE would be my second choice. ##vote BloodyC0bblerThis post was much more rushed than my last one but unfortunately I don't have time to do much more than this. I'd be happy to answer any questions you have either in thread or PM.
What does this post say?
- VisceraEyes is scummy because he feels fine and does not trust BC (where did this come from?)
- bumatlarge is scummy because he seems to be trusting BC's reads
- but then he votes BC for mayor?? why is bum then scum?
- Votes BC for mayor and he does not even like BC's lynch targets!!!
- VisceraEyes is his second pick for mayor, BUT VE IS MAFIA?!?!
- Gives some generic crap about BC's reads (which are bad and not well reasoned in the first place)
- Is happy to answer any questions in thread or in PM's but when people ask him stuff does not answer anything!!
Everything this dude has done is full of contradictions and nothing makes sense.
QuantumPope is 100% mafia!
After this you lynch BC, because of his shit he pulled off at the end of D1 and his crap reads.
Next to come is scumatlarge.
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Here is why bumatlarge is mafia:
This is literally everything he has done in this game:
- Made a mayor campaign, but shared no reads at all.
- Suddenly uncampaigned and voted for BC.
Okay, what were his reasons:
- demotivated (bla bla)
- Agreed with BC's reads and they shared smae reads/lynch targets.
Let's look at the only real reason:
I asked bumatlarge what were these lynch targets they agreed on with BC. He told me Mocsta and GGTeMpLaR. I asked him to prove it with logs or PM's, because there is nothing about it in thread. He says he has no logs from irc because of some reason. BC refuses to give me those logs.
Anyways, this is what was discussed on Mocsta and GGTeMpLaR:
Original Message From bumatlarge: Yeah pretty much, i dont have the IRC logs. I've spoken with him since then. It is possible is was trolling as town, but I didn't like it. Show nested quote +Original Message From raynpelikoneet: Like that was your reason for suspecting Mocsta? All of it? Original Message From bumatlarge: The GGtemplar read was discussed in the thread. Original Message From BloodyC0bbler: well he could if there were no witness' lol Original Message From bumatlarge: I don't, but he can't deny he did it. Original Message From BloodyC0bbler: do you have the record of that convo with mocsta btw? Original Message From bumatlarge: yeah Original Message From BloodyC0bbler: on irc? Original Message From bumatlarge: Sweet, if you get mayor over me, consider mocsta. He faked his name to me, and thats ok if you are trolling, but when i started talking to him he didnt correct himself. He logged out and then logged in as his own name. Original Message From BloodyC0bbler:
im busy next weekend, and my activity will be in spurts during the week based on work, but i currently have 0 plays between today and next weekend aside from dnd tuesday.
That leaves most of monday, wednesday, thursday and friday to play when not at work.
[quote] Original Message From raynpelikoneet: 1 & 2) - I wanted to lynch QP and only QP. Did not consider lynching anyone else. - I considered BC scum since his refusal to talk with me about QP and his terrible lynch on Storr. - I consider(ed) you scum because all you did was had a mayor campaign, then you dropped it for no apparent reason and just voted for BC with no reasoning. - I considered Storr mafia because BC had him as #2 scumread but Storr refused to elect me and wanted to elect BC (seems pretty stupid given he is BC's top 2 scumread - apparently he was just stupid) 3) thrawn + thread. Blazinghand is clearly town for what i said many times in thread. I would love to have your logs with BC and hopefully one of you guys have them and send them to me. Otherwise it's really goddamn fishy because BC has not really implied his interest in lynching either Mocsta/GG, ever. Original Message From bumatlarge: Can you give me 1) Who you were going to lynch 2) People you considered 3) People you were in contact with about these I'm assuming number 1 and 2 are among these On January 28 2014 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
QP
BC
Storr
bum
ezpz But I want your clarification. I know you are thinking what I am thinking. I wasn't going to be too active, so there was no reason to stay in the race, especially if I know it wasn't going to gain momentum. I voted BC because he seemed to be on board with lynching mocsta or templar. Obviously things changed since then and I want to know who he else he was considering. BH and QP?
Okay so bumatlarge's reasoning for suspecting Mocsta is "he did fake someone to me in irc".
SERIOUSLY WTF?!?! That's the stupidest reason ever.
Reasons to suspect GGTeMpLaR; "It was discussed in thread". NO IT WAS NOT! YOU NEVER DISCUSSED ANYTHING IN THREAD!
One more thing, look at why and how bumatlarge votes for BC for mayor.
His reasons are "he shares a scumread on GG and Mocsta and wants to lynch them".
That's not correct, BEFORE bum votes for BC, BC has said he will lynch Blazinghand and the only other person he considers is Storrzerg. bumatlarge's story does not add up.
Here are the posts BC lays out his reads the last time before bum votes for him and bum's vote:
On January 28 2014 02:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
OK heres how things stand.
I have suitably been given enough Information via thread and irc to consolidate my read for the day.
IF elected, barring any shenanigans between now and the deadline, I will lynch BH.
The reasons for this are simple.
First off he "shared" Alakaslams role for no reason to VE. He has been unable to justify this to anyone I have talked to or to myself. Its day 1, and its fucked up that he would do it as town.
Secondly. He said he was planning on going out of his way to find a suitable candidate for the day and push them as he didn't want to be elected. He has then with "prodding" decided he was going to actually run. However this was over a day between these posts and he never at any point recommended anyone vote for one of the other candidates.
His scum read of VE is incredibly weird. He apparently trolled VE which got VE understandably confused. Then based on irc/in thread BH thinks VE is scum primarily in regards to a case Mocsta made. But never provided a new point of his own. He never clarified why he believes one of mocsta and VE has to be scum and the other town and how he made that differation.
Also his entire play has changed from the last 3 games hes played. In LXIII he was a third party assassin. In the first version of this game he was a town mason. In both those games he played a clearly distinct style. He is now showing a third style of play this game. Given he went third party, town, and now we have a third play style I am suspecting its scum.
The only other person I am currently considering as a suspect is storrzerg. His interactions with me were incredibly weird, and i know the general opinion of him from those he has played with before is that hes scum. I also know hes been far more active in pms than the thread thats fishy as fuck.
On January 28 2014 02:50 bumatlarge wrote:
##Vote BC
See the timestamps. Right!
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On January 29 2014 06:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 22:59 Mocsta wrote:
I'm not looking to lynch yet.
what I want to see is more effort put in by QP, coag and bum and thepoofteh replacement.
basically we have 48hrs and right now I would be looking for someone out of that group specifically.
I'm also waiting for BC to shed more light on how the lynch went down. kush asked some valid questions I thought. Basically the lynch went like this BH and Rayn did a huge last spurt vote swing onto Rayn to try and get him to be mayor. People Continued to vote for me. The camps seemed very polarizing on the BH and Pope lynch. (although there was a point where VE was up for getting shanked). Now, I was dead set on offing BH however, the way the last minute voting worked to ensure a BH lynch was fucking weird to me. Factor in a ton of players that I know are decent were all harping on me for my read of the guy so with those factors I opted to go elsewhere for a target. However I looked at the voting. The two worst offenders for making sure I won and my lynch choice got through was GG and Storr as one last second voted and the other jerked around in thread able to change things but did it too late. Of these two I have had odd interactions with Storr, I know he was commonly read as scum this game by more than 1 person and his behaviour throughout the day / voting period kinda pushed me in his direction. As for why I didn't lynch Pope. At the time I didn't trust (still dont fully) BH or Rayn. I have made that clear already. As I didn't trust them I didn't take their read into full consideration at the time nor did I have a ton of time to make the decision. However Rayn being pissed I didn't kill his choice and calling me scum for it is just weird.
Shut the fuck up. You are making shit up.
Now give me the logs you scum.
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QP saying "you are not aggressive as this in your past games".
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Like QP and BC do not even elaborate on the reasoning.
They just discredit me for some bullshit reasons.
Look at their posts. lol. Basic scum strategy - when you can't counter arguments, try to discredit the other person.
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On January 29 2014 06:35 Blazinghand wrote:i've never known rayn to get angry ever
honelstly this is the first time i am aggressive.
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Last scum is btw Tehpoofer, or something like Oats. VE is pretty silent aswell.
I suspected kush but he nailed BC's Storr's QP-reasoning pretty well. Well done kush.
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On January 29 2014 06:37 QuantumPope wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like QP and BC do not even elaborate on the reasoning.
They just discredit me for some bullshit reasons.
Look at their posts. lol. Basic scum strategy - when you can't counter arguments, try to discredit the other person. I never tried to discredit you. I kindly asked why your play seems to have changed and all you posted was a condescending comment not explaining anything.
Which games in perticular did you read?
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On January 29 2014 06:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 29 2014 06:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On January 28 2014 22:59 Mocsta wrote:
I'm not looking to lynch yet.
what I want to see is more effort put in by QP, coag and bum and thepoofteh replacement.
basically we have 48hrs and right now I would be looking for someone out of that group specifically.
I'm also waiting for BC to shed more light on how the lynch went down. kush asked some valid questions I thought. Basically the lynch went like this BH and Rayn did a huge last spurt vote swing onto Rayn to try and get him to be mayor. People Continued to vote for me. The camps seemed very polarizing on the BH and Pope lynch. (although there was a point where VE was up for getting shanked). Now, I was dead set on offing BH however, the way the last minute voting worked to ensure a BH lynch was fucking weird to me. Factor in a ton of players that I know are decent were all harping on me for my read of the guy so with those factors I opted to go elsewhere for a target. However I looked at the voting. The two worst offenders for making sure I won and my lynch choice got through was GG and Storr as one last second voted and the other jerked around in thread able to change things but did it too late. Of these two I have had odd interactions with Storr, I know he was commonly read as scum this game by more than 1 person and his behaviour throughout the day / voting period kinda pushed me in his direction. As for why I didn't lynch Pope. At the time I didn't trust (still dont fully) BH or Rayn. I have made that clear already. As I didn't trust them I didn't take their read into full consideration at the time nor did I have a ton of time to make the decision. However Rayn being pissed I didn't kill his choice and calling me scum for it is just weird. Shut the fuck up. You are making shit up. Now give me the logs you scum. Why are you demanding them? Ive yet to see you offer me fucking information from your magic circle of trust. You also made a massive mistake in your post. I never refused to give you logs. I just haven't given you them because your being a demanding asshole. I literally have no reason to trust you currently. However I will share shit once the day has started. However unlike your demands I will post them publically.
I want you to elaborate on your reasoning. You have given half-arsed reasoning for suspecting Storr and bumatlarge is making shit up. I wanna know why.
You don't need any info. If you want to know why i think someone is town or mafia, just ask me. You don't need to know everyone i have talked about or everyone's every single thought. That's bullshit BC and you know it.
If you have a problem with some of my reads ask about it. You are just wanting to know my circle, there is no reason for you to know who i have talked or who i haven't, or if you can give me a good reasoning for it then we can talk. Like do you think i have a circle of trust that is all mafia? That's like.. being mafia, just that i told the thread who is mafia. rofl man.
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On January 29 2014 06:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Hey rayn just a question for you but you have a fun post I like to point at I know I lynched storr and thats my bad, however you fucked up your read of him too. You can be pissed at me all you want but you were also fucking wrong. Maybe you should take a step back and realize if you can fuck up your reads you might want to be less aggressive and take a closer look at the ones you have.
There is a post in thread why i suspected Storr. You apparently are not reading.
There is no reason to try to discredit me on that because i have explained it.
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BloodyC0bbler do you think not reading the thread is a useful talent toi have for a mayor?
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Also BC you have absolutely zero reasons to not trust me. And if you have you have not done very good job to figure out my alignment. So why is that? Why don't you want to figure out of the alignment of your mayor competitor and the guy who is most likely to lead a scumteam if he is mafia?
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My main problem with you is BC, that you lynched a dude who made you mayor, and who was on irc at the time we discussed BH.
If Storr was mafia he would have 100% voted for me JUST TO NOT DIE. And you can't understnad this simple fact, and i don't think you are that stupid. He was your top #2 scumread, he saw thrawn convinced you to not lynch BH. WHY WOULD HE NOT VOTE FOR ME???
Also, you are still refusing to contribute towards QP, and did so on D1. kush pointed out a contradiction on your read on QP. Your reasons for reading QP "not mafia or what the fuck is that" are fishy, they are not related to QP. You read him in some light because of me and Storr.. What the hell is that? That's dodging to give a read on someone.
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On January 29 2014 06:51 QuantumPope wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 29 2014 06:37 QuantumPope wrote:On January 29 2014 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like QP and BC do not even elaborate on the reasoning.
They just discredit me for some bullshit reasons.
Look at their posts. lol. Basic scum strategy - when you can't counter arguments, try to discredit the other person. I never tried to discredit you. I kindly asked why your play seems to have changed and all you posted was a condescending comment not explaining anything. Which games in perticular did you read? "SMB" Mini Mafiaand Normal Mini Mafia: Episode 1Your aggressive tone was used one people who were inactive more than people in the game. You have aggressive moments but from what I've read it's never so absolute like you going on me. I appreciate the pressure though as I feel it lets me explain myself better.
In SMB i made a town cop ragequit.
In Normal Mini mafia i apparently made someone cry (though i was not rude).
So, what's this bullshit?
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On January 29 2014 06:58 QuantumPope wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 06:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 29 2014 06:51 QuantumPope wrote:On January 29 2014 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 29 2014 06:37 QuantumPope wrote:On January 29 2014 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like QP and BC do not even elaborate on the reasoning.
They just discredit me for some bullshit reasons.
Look at their posts. lol. Basic scum strategy - when you can't counter arguments, try to discredit the other person. I never tried to discredit you. I kindly asked why your play seems to have changed and all you posted was a condescending comment not explaining anything. Which games in perticular did you read? "SMB" Mini Mafiaand Normal Mini Mafia: Episode 1Your aggressive tone was used one people who were inactive more than people in the game. You have aggressive moments but from what I've read it's never so absolute like you going on me. I appreciate the pressure though as I feel it lets me explain myself better. In SMB i made a town cop ragequit. In Normal Mini mafia i apparently made someone cry (though i was not rude). So, what's this bullshit? Was it your personal attacks or was it your play? I don't find your pressure on myself nearly as aggressive as anyone in those games.
But you just said the opposite?
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I've gone back and looked at some of your previous games and you're not as aggressive as this.
Like you literally said the opposite.
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##unvote:
Vote: bloodyc0bbler
this scum made me a BG.
BC IS SO VERY MAFIA!!!
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mafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafia
HE IS SO MAFIA!
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Nothing he does in this game makes any fucking sense at all.
BC is so mafia.
Why the hell would you as town make ME AND VE BG'S????
WHY?
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The only answer is he is mafia and can shoot us as we can't be protected.
Why would mafia shoot the mayor? To kill some scrubs (as you should make weak town players BG's).
It does not make any sense at all.
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On January 29 2014 07:10 Grackaroni wrote:
Maybe he thinks you're mafia? He can literally choose whoever the fuck he wants to be a bodyguard.
No that's retarded. Think for a moment.
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At least that's how it was on the first game.
There is no reason mafia would shoot BC if he was town.
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THERE IS LITERALLY NO REASON MAFIA WOULD SHOOT BC IF HE WAS TOWN!!!
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Fuck this shit.
If you guys can't see why BC is mafia i lynch myself to prove it.
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Everything he does is retarded as shit. He does do things that only make sense from mafia perspective. It makes NO FUCKING SNESE to make me and VE as BG's. it makes NO FUCKING SENSE that mafia shot the mayor as he has BG's who are supposed to be some bad townies in the first place if BC was town.
NOTHING MAKES SENSE.
If you can't see this then i don't want to play anymore and you can lynch me.
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BC why did you make me and VE as BG's?
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hmm okay.
I don't think that was wise BC, your BG choises i mean. That was in fact realy dumb considering you don't even seem to think i am mafia.
##unvote
##Vote: bumatlarge
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and even if you thought me and VE are mafia then you just lynch us. and if you lynch us you at the same time lose protection.. so that's stupid.
you should have made some unreadable lurkers as bg's. anything else is just dumb.
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On January 29 2014 07:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 07:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm okay.
I don't think that was wise BC, your BG choises i mean. That was in fact realy dumb considering you don't even seem to think i am mafia.
##unvote
##Vote: bumatlarge no you outing yourself is fucking dumb
whatever. i thought you were mafia because of your dumb stuff.
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BH why did you not tell me BC is vigi?
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Like i have to be about your strongest townread because when i joined the game i did everything to stop you from getting lynched. So, why do you let me run around accusing BC when he has claimed vigi to you?
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On January 29 2014 08:13 Grackaroni wrote:
Balla could be a solid lynch as well.
I'm basically working with this group of townies:
Grackaroni
Bloodyc0bbler
Raynpelikoneet
Blazinghand
Mocsta
Thrawn
Alakaslam
Leaving 4 scum in the remaining 6 people.
I think kush is town too. He is eager in trying to read Mocsta and he pointed out some stuff on N1 regarding BC that i find really hard to come from mafia!kush.
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Well on other people:
Skanjabs - meh.. i need to reread him. i don't remember much of him.
Oats - Could be mafia, he has said some really weird stuff. Like he wanted to discuss BC with me, he came to irc and started "dude you wanna lynch BC, why?" but never really wanted to talk about anything at all. Also he HC-defended QP when there was absolutely no reason to do so if he has read QP's posts.
Balla - havn't talked with him. I had a townread on him for his eagerness to talk with people in irc from teh beginning of the game (as i have been on irc and following what people do and who is online). I have no idea what he has actually done.
bumatlarge - scum
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On January 29 2014 08:57 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2014 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well on other people:
Skanjabs - meh.. i need to reread him. i don't remember much of him.
Oats - Could be mafia, he has said some really weird stuff. Like he wanted to discuss BC with me, he came to irc and started "dude you wanna lynch BC, why?" but never really wanted to talk about anything at all. Also he HC-defended QP when there was absolutely no reason to do so if he has read QP's posts.
Balla - havn't talked with him. I had a townread on him for his eagerness to talk with people in irc from teh beginning of the game (as i have been on irc and following what people do and who is online). I have no idea what he has actually done.
bumatlarge - scum
Yeah I hardcore defended QP cause Im fucking right dude. get rekted. ##vote Rayn
How about the case on bum? I think it's the strongest one, unless you have something on Oats i don't.
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EBWOP:
On January 29 2014 08:49 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm most confident of Oats being scum out of that group. I might be jumping the gun a little on slam. His posts seemed a lot like his town play to me but him yelling that all the vets are town is much more accurate than I would normally expect from slam.
How about the case on bum? I think it's the strongest one, unless you have something on Oats i don't.
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On January 29 2014 09:18 Grackaroni wrote:
Bum might be better just because he's the most likely to be the GF out of that group. (GF changes the kp so I can't see hosts just RNGing it off and letting it hit Coag in this setup)
Oat in general just sat back cheer leading for VE/BC all day long while town killed each other. Bullshit reasons for believing BH is scum (and you can see that he doesn't really believe them in the way that town oats normally does just from his IRC with BH.) The only reason VE was actually suspicious of BH was because BH thought VE was scum without telling him why. Oats also does know better than to vote for you right now.
Regarding Oats, yeah i agree.
Regading VE's case, yeah i noticed this on N1.
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BH can you give me Oats - you logs?
Or Grack can you send me them if you got them?
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On January 29 2014 09:19 Grackaroni wrote:
Bum has also been pretty active though with both Thrawn and with Mocsta
Yes i know that, but he said nothing to either of them.
Literally nothing. No conclusions on any reads. No explanations on behavior on D1.
Nothing.
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Oh yeah i have read that.
lol so Oats didn't even have a read on BH for real..
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Is there anyone in the game who wants to call Blazinghand mafia?
Especially those people who thought he was mafia on D1?
BH i am gonna make you confirmed town now! <3
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He is clearly trying to use coding in his posts which is not allowed.
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What does it matter? BC is confirmed town unless you want to cc his vigilante claim.
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On January 29 2014 16:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
##unvote
##vote bum
What's up?
I thought i was mafia so am i bussing now?
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Ahh so my alignment is related to bum's. But i have terrible reads. And i have a case on bum. I get you Oats, i totally do. You are so good at this game, i salute you!
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I am pretty sure Balla is mafia.
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Balla the mafia dude:
Here is what happened at the start of the game (in chronological order):
1) GGTeMpLaR makes his opening posts (not important what).
2) GGTeMpLaR asks people in PM's if they are a role or not.
3) Balla finds this weird and puts it in thread "for all the people to see what they think about it"
4) Balla literally says "bluehunting = scummy" when noone comment on the matter in saying it's scummy
5) Balla talks about everything else but not about the bluehunting
5) Balla makes his mayoral campaign, where he says GGTeMpLaR's posting has been "relaxed and townie" and quotes some posts.
Why is this scummy?
First of all the bluehunting thing. Balla does not even think that's necessarily scummy (as can be seen from his logs with thrawn) but he wants to put that thing in thread anyways. Basic scum strategy; "let's call some weird stuff out and see if anyone takes a bait and voilá, we have townies arguing over something stupid". This happened in last game with me/marv/BH (his mason claim) and Balla very well knows that. Also no, bluefishing is not necessarily scummy, at least if done in manner GGTeMpLaR did it..
When noone takes the bait he calls bluefishing scummy himself. Still noone takes the bait, so Balla goes on talking about other stuff. If he thinks it's scummy why does he not push the matter further? Because he does not really think it's scummy but just wants to talk about something stupid instead of scumhunting.
In the end, he makes his mayor campaign. He calls GGTeMpLaR town. For stuff that happened before the whole bluefishing thing. So Balla had a townread on GGTeMpLaR before all that. But GGTeMpLaR was scummy because of bluefishing. Where did that go? Did he just forget it because noone agreed with him? If he thought that was fishy why is it not in his reads post where he thinks he should be mayor? Again, because he did not think it's scummy in the first place!
Also look at his mayor campaign (my notes in italic):
1) I'm probably the one with the most knowledge about the most players. I know the quantumpope/ggtemplar/storrzerg/tehpoofter players where probably nobody else really does. has he ever given any informative reads on these people? No.
2) I'm active in PM land. So I can get answers and find out how people are acting in PM land, whereas some people aren't as active there. Is he? Has any of this Balla's huge activity translated into thread? No.
3) I'll find scum, and be very open with the thread so that the players who can't be as active in PM land will know what their mayor is thinking. After his mayor post, has he posted a single read in thread? No.
These are the closest things to "reads" he has given since then:
On January 28 2014 06:59 Balla24 wrote:
LYNCH STORR HE'S MAFIA
On January 28 2014 07:00 Balla24 wrote:
AND SO IS QP
At the deadline.. wow.. such reads.. very mafia.
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So does bum follow that up in any way after that. Yeah no. Does he ever mention Balla anywhere? Yeah no.
He talks about GGTeMpLaR and Mocsta as his scumreads. Noone else.
scum - scum interaction? why not?
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Also look at these things. Weird or not?
From bum's post about Balla that you just quoted:
That was a big assumption, but I could be wrong.
"so this is not really scummy, just explain it"
And from his post before:
On January 26 2014 16:01 bumatlarge wrote:
mr bungle sits on a throne of lies.
I have a scum read on balla for now. And bungle knows it lol
What the hell is the bolded part? Someone knows he has a scumread on Balla. Oh shit, that's really bad. Why?
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Have you seen the PM's?
Do they look townie from any side?
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Here is a tip for you. When someone makes a read in thread, especially a scumread, that is based purely on PM's, you go ahead and ask them to show the proof of that. That's why i scumread BC in the first place. He had a shitton of reads that were "bcz of PM's.. this dood scum". You know how fishy that is when you can't confirm yourself if the read is even genuine in the first place, or if he is misreading something or not.
Don't use PM's if you don't know how to use PM's. I said it in the first game and i say it again.
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On January 29 2014 20:18 kushm4sta wrote:
meanwhile mocsta is still scummy as hell. dat badge of mocsta dominance. still there.
Where do you actually stand with your read on Mocsta?
You have changed your read at least 4 times from "totally scum" to "totally town" and vice versa in ~5 hours.
So what is it and why?
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Can we lynch you if i can prove you have gone from scum -> town -> scum -> town -> scum?
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On January 29 2014 02:04 kushm4sta wrote:I ask mocsta who are your scumreads and why. This is what he says. Qp is a given. I think everyone in the game scum reads him but gg. His thing on bum makes no sense. I don't follow how what he said makes bum scum. And his other two are total inactives. Town mocsta would undoubtedly have sexier scum reads. Show nested quote +
I'm working off
pope based on his last post. way too many contradictions for someone who values quality posting apparently.
bum based on the follow up discussion I had with him. hes null on me now apparently. but that big post of his wasnt even up to date. clearly he gives no fucks about the game.
those are my top two
iffy reads are
coag cos hes done nothing which reminds me of LoL
tehpoofteh who apparently is getting replaced so I may give benefit of the doubt
there's a couple null reads but they not relevant currently
On January 29 2014 15:06 kushm4sta wrote:
I get why BC made rayn a bodyguard, but why did he make ve a bodyguard. I don't recall him scumreading VE.? maybe im wrong.
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ok i finally read everything.
nah mocsta's not scum.
ill do a poe scumlist:
Coagulation
bumatlarge
Skanjab1s
Balla24
Grackaroni
Oatsmaster
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Also coag just called oats scum. There's a read.
On January 29 2014 15:09 kushm4sta wrote:
scratch that mocsta's back to scum
On January 29 2014 15:43 kushm4sta wrote:
whhy the fuck is everyone voting mocsta all of a sudden?
On January 29 2014 15:54 kushm4sta wrote:
just realized mocsta/bum can't both be scum because of something mocsta said about pm convos with bum.
So actually I would lynch balla since
eitehr mocsta/balla are scum and bum is town
or bum is scum and mocsta/balla are town
the first seems more likely
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Yeah, your filter is quite a shithole tbh..
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nope. townies do not ask why people vote for their scumread.
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and if you say the last post does not say mocsta is mafia then you make misleading posts because you clearly say "the first one is more likely" which means you think it's likely that balla and mocsta are mafai, which means you think mocsta is mafia.
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On January 29 2014 20:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
nope. townies do not ask why people vote for their scumread.
Why are you concerned about 2 votes on your scumread?
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let me be more specific.
why are you concerned about 2 votes on your scumread who is more scummy than bumatlarge who also has 2 votes?
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And ho does your reliance on shit meta for your reads compare to this? Yes, you use a fuckton of shit meta which is completely incorrect because you can't even remember what happened in the last 2 games.
Also can you answer this:
On January 29 2014 20:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
let me be more specific.
why are you concerned about 2 votes on your scumread who is more scummy than bumatlarge who also has 2 votes?
?
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Also could you point out how those bolded parts are wrong in Mocsta's posts?
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You can't just fucking quote a post and say "wrong". Show us all how it's wrong. Because the Coag thing at least is really accurate. I have even talked about it with Coag on teamspeak before the Extractor trick game.
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Now i remember why i did not want to play this game in the first place.
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Isn't that exactly what Mocsta is saying?
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I promise you kush, if Mocsta is mafia in this game you are always allowed to call yourself top-Mocsta reader and i will always trust you on your read on him.
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So Skanjabs, have you been in contact with anyone of the following people:
bumatlarge
Coag
Oats
Balla
??
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Oats has literally said i am scum and town.. in the same sentence. I don't know if you think that kinda flip-flopping on a read is scummy. I think it is.
What do you think?
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On January 29 2014 21:33 Skanjab1s wrote:
I'm afraid I cannot answer that question rayn, I am bound by evil laws.
And this should be lynchworthy in the first place.
I don't even know why i play with these scrubs.. Never.. Fucking never again.
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If you want to troll the shit out of a game do it in the OMGUS.net and don't bring it here please.
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I have to ignore it Skanjabs, I am bound by evil laws.
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So Oats are kush & Skanjabs cases good?
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Original Message From Oatsmaster: because if you arent active, we cant win. Like we almost won but COME ON MAN DONT GET LYNCHED TODAY> Show nested quote +Original Message From Balla24: yeah i'm playing, just been kinda busy weird wording though... Why are you worried? Original Message From Oatsmaster:
dude are you gonna play the game? Im getting really really worried.
What is this and why does Oats not say it's fake?
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So Oats claimed mafia.
Lynch him next.
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On January 30 2014 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +Original Message From Oatsmaster: because if you arent active, we cant win. Like we almost won but COME ON MAN DONT GET LYNCHED TODAY> Original Message From Balla24: yeah i'm playing, just been kinda busy weird wording though... Why are you worried? Original Message From Oatsmaster:
dude are you gonna play the game? Im getting really really worried. What is this and why does Oats not say it's fake?
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He tells Balla, confirmed mafia, to not stop playing so "WE DON'T LOSE COS WE ALMOST WON ALREADY".
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On January 30 2014 06:51 kushm4sta wrote:
yeah that does really seem like oats is talking from his scumteam. why would balla share that though?
I do not care. Oats does not deny the truthfulness.
Therefore he claimed mafia.
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On January 30 2014 09:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont know what Rayn is shouting on about. It makes me confirmed town.
You talked with your mafiabuddy in PM's and he outed them.
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Nobody who is town will say "play the game or we lose" to their scumread.
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"WE ARE SO CLOSE TO WINNING" when zero townies have been lynched and it's MYLO. Yeah Oats.
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yeah thrawn let's not waste time.
like this?
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If we are being truly honest here thrawn says he wanted to troll me because "rayn is gonna waste a cycle of my time" when he had to do absolutely nothing at all any more.
thrawn how would i waste a cycle of your time? you gave the link to Oats. That's all you needed to do. You did not need to do anything any more. Geez, seems like a lot of your time wasted, 0 minutes..
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look it even says so in what BH posted. The top line. "instead of wasting a whole cycle of my time"
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so thrawn is either mafia or has no brain lol.
Don't make plans with people who can't understand what you are trying to do. check.
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based on what i have read you thrawn had apparently no idea of what i was trying to do.
so you are just dumb as a rock.
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no you are just confirmed "i don't understand"
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aren't you drunk? where are the typos?
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I mean, which part of this:
<raynpelikoneet> worst case scenario: Oats is town and we "confirm" him as town
you don't understand?
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I can lynch thrawn tomorrow.
bcz i think he is mafz and all that jizz.
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On January 30 2014 20:00 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +Mafia KP is (# of mafia + # of godfathers)/2 rounded down, with a minimum of 1KP. so thats 4/2 = 2 + 1 right?
that's pretty low level math Oats. Like 3rd grade?
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i mean (4+1)/2= 2.5 rounded down = 2, not to mention the OP has mentioned mafia KP all game..
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Does anyone wanna kill Mocsta?
Just for fun? I can make it happen.
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haha
I need to claim. I am a 1-shot Mocsta vigilante / Mocsta gunsmith.
Once / game i can give someone tools to kill Mocsta. Or kill him myself.
Any volunteers? Also plz every medic on me!
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I'm afraid I cannot trust you with such a burden Skanjabs for unfortunately I am bound by evil laws.
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On January 30 2014 18:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
lol i only shared mocsta's shit because it was shady and I thought scum probably know about it already
How do you know it was shady? Have you seen it?
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No it's a legit question.
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On January 30 2014 21:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey rayn, thrawn says you wouldnt go to such elaborate plans to trick me or whatever as scum, is that true?
Is there a point here that doesnt involve calling me scum?
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Hey Oats call me mafia for some things and i show you what you always do so you can see how annoying it is.
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On January 30 2014 21:08 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2014 21:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey Oats call me mafia for some things and i show you what you always do so you can see how annoying it is. So how old are you exactly? 10 years old?
I must be at least 11 as i could do the math problem.
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On January 31 2014 07:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn knew kush was blue, so either it's rayn or rayn should be able to tell us who else knew
So what? Did i shoot myself during the night?
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On January 31 2014 08:11 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2014 08:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 31 2014 07:54 thrawn2112 wrote:
rayn knew kush was blue, so either it's rayn or rayn should be able to tell us who else knew So what? Did i shoot myself during the night? how did you know kush was doctor
Because BC does not pay attention and ask stupid questions from people.
Are you seriously suggesting that i shot myself?
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What are you doing thrawn? You know exactly what happened regarding kush, his claim and everything.
Are you mafia? Why are you doing this?
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On January 31 2014 08:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
no oats had no idea about kush if that's what you mean
i'm trying to figure out who else knew?
you did. and BC.
Well i am not sure about BC lol.. he just kept asking me stupid things when i told him.
Unless kush has claimed to someone else. He told me in irc "i think i mindfucked scum into thinking im vet" some hours ago, i have no idea what that meant. I was not here to ask.
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lol i didn't even know hits are notified.
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Don't worry i'll tell you. Msg me on irc when you are able to.
Oats is voting for me because thrawn panics and is most likely mafia.
But instead of making a case he PM's Oats. Such a normal town play? You PM someone and make them vote for your target instead of making a case.
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Not to mention he does not PM confirmed townies but someone else.
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Anyone else do not vote for me!
BC knows what's going on already!
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How about you make a case thrawn? Is it townie to vote for someone here in an IML game?
You are usually very careful and think about these things so make a case.
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I am not when there is no case.
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I am not in a hurry and i am not willing to talk with you. I talk with the confirmed townies instead. So if you have a case go on and make one.
It's an instant majority lynch so no, voting is not wise.
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What are your thoughts on the bum log?
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You are not a confirmed town so i don't need to tell anything to you.
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I can, however, try to get you use one, maybe two braincells. So think about this really hard:
1) what does it matter?
2) how does it make me mafia?
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You guys are seriously really bad at mafia if you think one post or "case" that's never followed up in any way in the whole game makes those two people "2% chance to be mafia together".
Like do you think mafia is nover "suspicious" of other mafia? That was not even a fucking bus, it was a retarded comment that bumatlarge never ever never followed up. He has never even talked about Balla after that. NEVER.
Then he shows up, has not even read the thread, in this whole agame, and hammers someone. YES!!
Then he talks about reads with Mocsta, except that he has not read the thread and can't have reads. But he is suspicious of Skanjabs. And Slam & Coag. Hmm.. why those three people? Because he is a fucking mafia and he knows who he can possibly even get lynched and who he can't. Why does he think i am town? Why does he think thrawn is town? Oats? Grackaroni?
Dude has seriously more informationb that he pretends to have.
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Also thrawn is most likely mafia. He has ridiculous amount of logs and somehow he can't conclude anything from them. He is not scumhunting, he is just sitting on his ass and doing nothing and now he is scared because he killed kushmasta and does not know what i am up to. So he makes a really laughable case. Yes, this is thrawn's case:
1) rayn refused to tell me how kush claimed doc
2) rayn made a scummy post, the one where he asked me "are you mafia?"
Fuck, that's a case of the year!
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thrawn - Balla for example:
thrawn has a huge ass town read on Balla "because of logs". When someone actually reads the logs it's not so huge ass any more. Here:
[11:14] <thrawn> my read on balla after our fisrt long chat was townietwonietownietownie
[11:16] <thrawn> yeah so let me knwo what you think of that. then i can PM you Oats stuffs
01[11:17] <raynpelikoneet> balla says strong townies for mayor = bum, mocsta, BH
01[11:17] <raynpelikoneet> later on says VE is super strong
01[11:17] <raynpelikoneet> obvious contradiction
[11:17] <thrawn> um. i cant deal with the nitty gritty. just give me overall impressions
[11:19] <thrawn> and reads can change? idk
[11:20] <thrawn> btw
[11:20] <thrawn> if in my logs
[11:20] <thrawn> i ever talk shit about your town play
[11:20] <thrawn> jsut understand
[11:20] <thrawn> that it's because i'm trying to force my opinion on someone else
[11:20] <thrawn> that;s happened so many times this game lol
[11:21] <thrawn> espcially in regards to BH lol
[11:22] <thrawn> man we didn't talk about any alignment indicative shit did we? i shold probabyl throw that town read on balla out tha window
01[11:28] <raynpelikoneet> yeah you did not
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fucking huge ass town read.
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Funny question:
Does anyone have a log snippet or anything where thrawn calls anyone mafia in this game?
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No, Mocsta is not mafia. You have to do better than that if you want to call him mafia. I understand what he meant in his read on Oats and meta-read on Coag and it makes sense. You are just misunderdstanding him. Try talking him in irc if you want to clear that. I need to check a few things with BH & BC, but i am pretty sure we have our scum here:
bumatlarge
thrawn
Coagulation
Oats/Grack????? (i dunno what Grack has been doing since forever and i think thrawn is using Oats so that's only a slight possibility - like why would you make a case and PM it to someone and make him vote the dude in thread? that's just retarded)
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If i am not misunderstanding anything thrawn has PM'd his case to Mocsta too. rofl.
<Mocsta> hi man
<Mocsta> im gonna be honest
<Mocsta> i know..
<Mocsta> so chew my ear off
<raynpelikoneet> ??
<Mocsta> about the pm thrawn sent you
<Mocsta> (by accident)
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Like why the hell would you PM your case to people and not put it in thread????
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How much do you want to bet he has not PM'd Blazinghand or BC? ^^
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On January 31 2014 22:21 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol thrawn isnt scum in any possible universe lololololol. Lolol. Its absolutely ludicrous that town rayn is omgusing thrawn. Also rayn wants to keep as little comfirmed townies as possible. Apparently he thinks that 2 of the scum decided to vote for balla for fun and not try and gain any of the cred. I noticed you were suspiciously absent at that time rayn.
Could you tell me how you and thrawn are confirmed townies? Why are you referring you as confirmed townies as you are nowhere-fucking-near confirmed?
Also what's the case on me?
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On January 31 2014 22:28 Skanjab1s wrote:
I really hate all of you guys.
Why isn't thrawn scum, Oats?
And why did you just call rayn town and scum in the same post
Hey this is really funny. This is how good Oats is at this game:
[10:02] <Oatsmaster> and rayn is town actually
[10:02] <Oatsmaster> wait no
[10:02] <Oatsmaster> rayn is scum
...
[10:03] <Oatsmaster> i wanted tot say rayn is town because he is so awfully wrong
[10:03] <Oatsmaster> but then I realised that he didnt expect his reads to be wrong so fast
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[10:06] <Oatsmaster> ok so if rayn is scum
[10:06] <Oatsmaster> he knows that he is attacking town
[10:06] <thrawn> how does that make him scum
[10:07] <Oatsmaster> so if he just only attacks town
[10:07] <Oatsmaster> then it looks really bad
[10:07] <Oatsmaster> so he wouldnt only attack town
[10:07] <Oatsmaster> as scum
[10:08] <Oatsmaster> sooo he is scum for attacking town
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trolololol
"rayn is scum because if he was town he would be wrong (about BC and QP) so now that he is wrong he is scum".
OATS YOU ARE MY HERO!
YOUR CASES ARE SOSOSOSO GOOD you don't even know yourself what you are saying! <3
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SERIOUSLY READ WHAT OATS SAYS!
rofl
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On January 31 2014 22:40 thrawn2112 wrote:hey are we quoting completely irrelevant early game reads to make people look stupid? sounds fun to me [13:35] <raynpelikoneet> your Balla read is exactly why i think he is town too
Except that i had not read the logs. When i read the logs i knew he was mafia.
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What's the case on me thrawn?
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Also hey everyone:
On January 31 2014 21:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Funny question:
Does anyone have a log snippet or anything where thrawn calls anyone mafia in this game?
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On January 31 2014 22:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
He calls you scum.
Rayn, why are you resorting to petty shit to discredit me?
I have not seen he call me scum.
He does not call me scum in thread.
HE does not even call me scum in the PM. Read it again. He does not even call me scum..
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What's the case on me thrawn?
Are you calling me mafia?
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oh did you just become drunk again. how convenient timing..
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Ahh i see.. The case is too "complicated" to bring into the thread.
Yes thrawn, this looks so good.
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On January 31 2014 22:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
ahh I see. Rayn ignoring everything thrawn said.
I don't care what he says because it's nonsensical blabbering until there is a case in thread.
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On January 31 2014 23:02 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2014 22:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 31 2014 22:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
ahh I see. Rayn ignoring everything thrawn said. I don't care what he says because it's nonsensical blabbering until there is a case in thread. Lol technicalities here huh. If you are so concerned about letting the thread know about the case, then pm all of them it. Its not that hard. Why arent you doing it?
He wants me to answer his case, which he does not have.
I am not worried. I am asking him what the case on me is, because i think he is mafia and does not have a case because he won't post it. He has his vote on me, you have your vote on me. Is either of you able to back up your vote?
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It is not a case. He does not even call me mafia.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440856¤tpage=94#1864
first that thread post looks so fake esp the "are you mafia" question. while we were making these thread posts I PMd him for clarification about stuff and here are the logs
apart from how i dont like the way he talks here,,,, he never made that post in thread he promiesed to make after his tea was ready, and he never responded to my last question at the top.
Tell me, where in this PM does thrawn call me mafia?
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On January 31 2014 23:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dont you know reading comprehension Rayn? Again with the technicalities.
No, tell me where in that PM he calls me mafia?
Why am i mafia for those things? How does my post make me mafia?
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And this is why i ignore you Oats.
You are impossible to talk to, you do not understand anything at all, and you can't have a reasonable conversation.
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You are delusional and can't comprehend anything anyone says.
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Are you stupid?
That's what you sent me. You do not call me mafia.
I proved you do not call me mafia in your PM.
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You really like to nitpick on every single thing you possibly can.
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What does it matter?
How does this make me mafia?
WHAT HE FUCK ARE YOU DOING? AGAIN, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?
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That's your "complicated" case?
I think you are full of shit and lying thrawn. Also that's not even a case.
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ehh your read on balla changed in ~7 minutes based on the same log from "townietownietownietownietownie" to "ehh.. i need to throw that read out of the window". I think it's pretty much proven.
Yes i misremembered. Does that make me mafia? How? Like did i intentionally lie about something that's easy to prove? Can you tell how that makes sense from a mafia perspective and how it's more likely than that i read a QT and misread 8 PM as 8 am?
I am not acting shady. I think you are suspicious and i do not have to tell you anything. I won't give you info that you want, because the info does not matter. If you tell me how does it matter that YOU (instead of our confirmed townies) know how or why kush claimed doc to me, please share. Why does it matter and why should i share that info with you?
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You have said a lot of things. You use words "shady" and "fishy" and "looks bad" but how about saying some general shit you tell how those things make me mafia?
Oh i know, because you can't.
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Last time you did this same fucking shit you were scum and i got you vigged on N1.
The history is about to repeat itself.
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because the cake is a lie..
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bumatlarge care to tell us all why do you think anyone is mafia?
All i have heard from you is some flip flopping and no real reasoning.. all game.
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Mocsta asked you to tell your reads. You said some wishy washy general things abous some people. When he asked to clarify you said "but i have not been able to play, i have not been able to be on computer, i have not been able to do anything.. i have not been able to talk people..".
Excuses, excuses. For about 5 irl-days you have done jack shit in this game.
so in case you some weord fucking reason are town, start now.
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So did you not think Balla's thought process made sense or?
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Also how does the conversation start? Doesn't look like legit start of PM-convo.
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" Thrawn is very likely town, because he is one of the few people I have talked to. "
?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?
seriously???? man????
THIS IS WHY THRAWN IS TOWN?
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I think you are mafia because of what i said in my case on N1.
Here:
On January 29 2014 06:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is why bumatlarge is mafia:This is literally everything he has done in this game: - Made a mayor campaign, but shared no reads at all. - Suddenly uncampaigned and voted for BC. Okay, what were his reasons: - demotivated (bla bla) - Agreed with BC's reads and they shared smae reads/lynch targets. Let's look at the only real reason: I asked bumatlarge what were these lynch targets they agreed on with BC. He told me Mocsta and GGTeMpLaR. I asked him to prove it with logs or PM's, because there is nothing about it in thread. He says he has no logs from irc because of some reason. BC refuses to give me those logs. Anyways, this is what was discussed on Mocsta and GGTeMpLaR: Show nested quote +Original Message From bumatlarge: Yeah pretty much, i dont have the IRC logs. I've spoken with him since then. It is possible is was trolling as town, but I didn't like it. Original Message From raynpelikoneet: Like that was your reason for suspecting Mocsta? All of it? Original Message From bumatlarge: The GGtemplar read was discussed in the thread. Original Message From BloodyC0bbler: well he could if there were no witness' lol Original Message From bumatlarge: I don't, but he can't deny he did it. Original Message From BloodyC0bbler: do you have the record of that convo with mocsta btw? Original Message From bumatlarge: yeah Original Message From BloodyC0bbler: on irc? Original Message From bumatlarge:
Sweet, if you get mayor over me, consider mocsta. He faked his name to me, and thats ok if you are trolling, but when i started talking to him he didnt correct himself. He logged out and then logged in as his own name.
[quote] Original Message From raynpelikoneet: 1 & 2) - I wanted to lynch QP and only QP. Did not consider lynching anyone else. - I considered BC scum since his refusal to talk with me about QP and his terrible lynch on Storr. - I consider(ed) you scum because all you did was had a mayor campaign, then you dropped it for no apparent reason and just voted for BC with no reasoning. - I considered Storr mafia because BC had him as #2 scumread but Storr refused to elect me and wanted to elect BC (seems pretty stupid given he is BC's top 2 scumread - apparently he was just stupid) 3) thrawn + thread. Blazinghand is clearly town for what i said many times in thread. I would love to have your logs with BC and hopefully one of you guys have them and send them to me. Otherwise it's really goddamn fishy because BC has not really implied his interest in lynching either Mocsta/GG, ever. Original Message From bumatlarge: Can you give me 1) Who you were going to lynch 2) People you considered 3) People you were in contact with about these I'm assuming number 1 and 2 are among these On January 28 2014 07:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
QP
BC
Storr
bum
ezpz But I want your clarification. I know you are thinking what I am thinking. I wasn't going to be too active, so there was no reason to stay in the race, especially if I know it wasn't going to gain momentum. I voted BC because he seemed to be on board with lynching mocsta or templar. Obviously things changed since then and I want to know who he else he was considering. BH and QP? Okay so bumatlarge's reasoning for suspecting Mocsta is "he did fake someone to me in irc". SERIOUSLY WTF?!?! That's the stupidest reason ever. Reasons to suspect GGTeMpLaR; "It was discussed in thread". NO IT WAS NOT! YOU NEVER DISCUSSED ANYTHING IN THREAD! One more thing, look at why and how bumatlarge votes for BC for mayor. His reasons are "he shares a scumread on GG and Mocsta and wants to lynch them". That's not correct, BEFORE bum votes for BC, BC has said he will lynch Blazinghand and the only other person he considers is Storrzerg. bumatlarge's story does not add up.Here are the posts BC lays out his reads the last time before bum votes for him and bum's vote: Show nested quote +On January 28 2014 02:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
OK heres how things stand.
I have suitably been given enough Information via thread and irc to consolidate my read for the day.
IF elected, barring any shenanigans between now and the deadline, I will lynch BH.
The reasons for this are simple.
First off he "shared" Alakaslams role for no reason to VE. He has been unable to justify this to anyone I have talked to or to myself. Its day 1, and its fucked up that he would do it as town.
Secondly. He said he was planning on going out of his way to find a suitable candidate for the day and push them as he didn't want to be elected. He has then with "prodding" decided he was going to actually run. However this was over a day between these posts and he never at any point recommended anyone vote for one of the other candidates.
His scum read of VE is incredibly weird. He apparently trolled VE which got VE understandably confused. Then based on irc/in thread BH thinks VE is scum primarily in regards to a case Mocsta made. But never provided a new point of his own. He never clarified why he believes one of mocsta and VE has to be scum and the other town and how he made that differation.
Also his entire play has changed from the last 3 games hes played. In LXIII he was a third party assassin. In the first version of this game he was a town mason. In both those games he played a clearly distinct style. He is now showing a third style of play this game. Given he went third party, town, and now we have a third play style I am suspecting its scum.
The only other person I am currently considering as a suspect is storrzerg. His interactions with me were incredibly weird, and i know the general opinion of him from those he has played with before is that hes scum. I also know hes been far more active in pms than the thread thats fishy as fuck. See the timestamps. Right!
After this you have failed to do anything productive.
You have given no reads at all.
You have done no scumhunting.
You have done nothing.
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No i don't really care as it does not really matter.
Just tell us who is mafia in your opinion and why.
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On February 01 2014 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So did you not think Balla's thought process made sense or?
Although this is a relevant question.
Why did you never ever talk about Balla after that PM-convo / thread post?
Like, did your scumread somehow fade into oblivion? And then you just happened to chime in and hammer him with "i have not been able to play so idk wtf is going on but YOLO, let's hammer someone" or what?
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Okay so you wanted people to vote, and vote fast. That was your intention.
Where are the vote analysis?
Seriously, every single thing you have promised to do in this game you have not done. Do you think it's townie?
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So why is Grack mafia?
Why is it so fucking hard for everyone to give a fucking reasoning for their read?
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But you have not mentioned Balla after D1?
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On February 01 2014 02:12 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so you wanted people to vote, and vote fast. That was your intention.
Where are the vote analysis?
Seriously, every single thing you have promised to do in this game you have not done. Do you think it's townie? It doesn't matter at this point because everyone you and BC wanted to lynch were town. You have a very selective memory if you don't remember the one real post I made in the past few days.
Of course it matters. BC was about to lynch BH, who is now confirmed town.
You are the one who is avoiding to contribute what you have promised.
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Ugh i fucking give up.
Just lynch that dude. He is not playing the game.
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Read his filter, read the logs. He promises things and never does anything. He has no real reads and when asked for reasoning there is no reasoning. Everything has been "misremembered" or dropped but then suddenly appears again or whatever...
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On February 01 2014 02:20 Grackaroni wrote:
So what's the deal here Rayn. Do you believe Thrawn is mafia? And there's something about a green check on Oats?
yeah he is mafia most likely.
but that's not for today.
the check is a lie, oats for some reason wanted me to out all the blue roles in this game.. idk why. but that's oats.
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Maybe we should kill Coag if bum starts playing.
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On February 01 2014 02:35 Grackaroni wrote:
Thrawn town. Rayn iffy. Mocsta iffy. Coag scum. Death to Coag.
lol.
now you don't look so townie any more.
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I don't know what do you mean by that.
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Grack please explain your read on me.
Also explain your read on thrawn.
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Do you think thrawn has a good case here for starters?
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On February 01 2014 02:43 Grackaroni wrote:
No I'm not sure why Thrawn thinks you are scum. I think it's based on you two knowing Kush was medic.
Does it look like that's what he is saying? Where do you base that on?
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On February 01 2014 02:44 Grackaroni wrote:
I'm still POEing and I think it's going to be one of you/Mocsta or maybe even both if it's not Skanjab. I don't like Bum nearly as much for scum as I did before.
Okay maybe you just don't have any idea then or don't care.
I would just like to have thrawn to make the case because he does not have one. He thinks me as mafia would tell confirmed town BC that kushmasta is blue, instead of keeping that info for myself and just shooting him the next night.
That alone makes thrawn mafia. He is not that stupid. He can't possibly think that i would do that as mafia.
I am 100% sure thrawn as town can't possibly be that stupid.
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On February 01 2014 02:46 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 02:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 01 2014 02:43 Grackaroni wrote:
No I'm not sure why Thrawn thinks you are scum. I think it's based on you two knowing Kush was medic. Does it look like that's what he is saying? Where do you base that on? i'm pretty sure that's what thrawn is saying. from what he has pmed me, his case is: 1. rayn was the only not-confirmed-town who knew kush was the doctor 2. scum would never shoot kush unless they thought he was a powerful blue role since he is lynchbait 3. therefore rayn is scum thrawn feel free to correct me if I have misunderstood you here
1. thrawn did too.
2. see (1)
3. see (1)
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+ thrawn also thought kush was doccing me.
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On February 01 2014 02:48 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah but that's assuming that Kushm4sta didn't already tell confirmed town BC that he told you.
No BC asked him something weird. i am not even sure if kush noticed i noticed he was bule/mafia until BC PM'd him.
At that point i had already PM'd BC.
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On February 01 2014 02:50 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 02:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
+ thrawn also thought kush was doccing me. this is actually somewhat interesting info. who did kush tell you he was doccing
he told me and i told thrawn.
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kush told me he was doccing me and i told that to thrawn.
It was a part of the Oats plan thrawn decided was not useful.
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Here is what has happened and how i know kush is a doctor:
First i fakeclaimed cop to kush, i thought he would froze if he was mafia. Here are the PM's:
Original Message From kushm4sta: i can't be a miller and i'm not mafia. Show nested quote +Original Message From raynpelikoneet: Oh so you can't be a miller. Then you gotta be mafia. Original Message From kushm4sta: i know you are lying because there is no framer. Original Message From raynpelikoneet: Like is ent in "Check kushmasta" and got back "mafia". That's how it usually happens. Original Message From kushm4sta: i wonder how that happened. your shitcircle is probably infiltrated Original Message From raynpelikoneet: I literally have a red check on you. Original Message From kushm4sta: you have my blessing to pursue me as a lynch. I like it when you misread me. Original Message From raynpelikoneet: Why are you so angry? Because you got caught? Original Message From kushm4sta: oh im scum now? plz lynch me this cycle lol. I haven't even finishsed catching up and after i do im not going to even have time to write anything. your spam makes it impossible to play the game if you have any semblance of a life. you are hostile to people for no reason and make every game you are in unpleasant. every time i see you sign up for a game i think to myslef "oh shit it's gonna be the rayn show again. im so tired of that show." and it would not be a problem if you had skill but you have none. you are wrong more than right and you get tunneled like a fucking newbie. Original Message From raynpelikoneet: Don't worry. You are scum. I know. For a fact.
So when i found out this, i told BC i have fakeclaimed a cop to kush, and he literally claimed mafia or blue to me.
BC sent me back "why are you not sharing this with your circle". I told him "because they are not confirmed town".
Then i had this exchange with kush:
Original Message From raynpelikoneet: Because i told him i fakeclaimed a copcheck on you and the result of the PM's say you are not vanilla, therefore if and when you claim to him, if you claim vanilla you are mafia. I never told him there is a REAL check. Show nested quote +Original Message From kushm4sta: so you made it up? how is that possible when BC also tells me that there's a red check on me Original Message From raynpelikoneet: noone. Original Message From kushm4sta: who told you they got a red check o nme? Original Message From raynpelikoneet: what the fuck are you talking about? Original Message From kushm4sta:
rayn where the fuck did you hear about the red check on me from
Then we had this exchange with kush:
Original Message From raynpelikoneet: No it was a good protection target. Definitely one of the best. VE dying probably solved problems rather than was a guy who should not die. He wasn't doing shit. Show nested quote +Original Message From kushm4sta: whatever im doctor. i retardedly protected thrawn whe ni should have protected ve. Original Message From raynpelikoneet: Mafia has 2 KP, it's in the OP. There is no way he is fakeclaiming. Original Message From kushm4sta: im afraid of nk shenanies though. we don't know how many nks they have. (dependent on the number of godfathers i think?) BC could have claimed one of the nks as a vig shot. Of course, it's unlikely. Original Message From raynpelikoneet: I am not scum. You should claim to BC. Original Message From kushm4sta:
ok if you are scum, faking a red check on me was the sickest bluefishing ive ever seen.
So here. Go fucking figure that i am scum after this.
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Funny fact is;
thrawn knows everything i say in the post where i told how i figured kush is blue, excluding the fact how kush claimed doc.
Yet from that info, he can't deduce that it's impossible for me to be mafia.
Again, he is not that stupid. He is mafia.
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Why? You just claimed scum.
Everyone who claims scum should die. And if you think i am mafia then you can die too.
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lol BH, read my post. kush didn't even trust BC.. he thought BC WAS FAKECLAIMING VIGI!!
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And the problem with thrawn is he "thinks" i am hiding something, when HE NIMSELF KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED!!!
I TOLD HIM WHEN IT WAS HAPPENING.
He can't possibly NOT KNOW what happened. He is playing stupid.
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On February 01 2014 03:25 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 03:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
lol BH, read my post. kush didn't even trust BC.. he thought BC WAS FAKECLAIMING VIGI!! then why did he trust me with his real protection target -_-
I don't know. Maybe he was lying to me. I have no idea about what was going on in his head.
Could you tell me KST time when he claimed to you?
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Timestamps (KST):
On February 01 2014 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Here is what has happened and how i know kush is a doctor: First i fakeclaimed cop to kush, i thought he would froze if he was mafia. Here are the PM's: (1)Show nested quote +Original Message From kushm4sta: i can't be a miller and i'm not mafia. Original Message From raynpelikoneet: Oh so you can't be a miller. Then you gotta be mafia. Original Message From kushm4sta: i know you are lying because there is no framer. Original Message From raynpelikoneet: Like is ent in "Check kushmasta" and got back "mafia". That's how it usually happens. Original Message From kushm4sta: i wonder how that happened. your shitcircle is probably infiltrated Original Message From raynpelikoneet: I literally have a red check on you. Original Message From kushm4sta: you have my blessing to pursue me as a lynch. I like it when you misread me. Original Message From raynpelikoneet: Why are you so angry? Because you got caught? Original Message From kushm4sta:
oh im scum now? plz lynch me this cycle lol.
I haven't even finishsed catching up and after i do im not going to even have time to write anything. your spam makes it impossible to play the game if you have any semblance of a life. you are hostile to people for no reason and make every game you are in unpleasant. every time i see you sign up for a game i think to myslef "oh shit it's gonna be the rayn show again. im so tired of that show."
and it would not be a problem if you had skill but you have none. you are wrong more than right and you get tunneled like a fucking newbie.
[quote] (2)So when i found out this, i told BC i have fakeclaimed a cop to kush, and he literally claimed mafia or blue to me. BC sent me back "why are you not sharing this with your circle". I told him "because they are not confirmed town". (4)Then i had this exchange with kush: Show nested quote +Original Message From raynpelikoneet: Because i told him i fakeclaimed a copcheck on you and the result of the PM's say you are not vanilla, therefore if and when you claim to him, if you claim vanilla you are mafia. I never told him there is a REAL check. Original Message From kushm4sta: so you made it up? how is that possible when BC also tells me that there's a red check on me Original Message From raynpelikoneet: noone. Original Message From kushm4sta: who told you they got a red check o nme? Original Message From raynpelikoneet: what the fuck are you talking about? Original Message From kushm4sta:
rayn where the fuck did you hear about the red check on me from
(3)Then we had this exchange with kush: Show nested quote +Original Message From raynpelikoneet: No it was a good protection target. Definitely one of the best. VE dying probably solved problems rather than was a guy who should not die. He wasn't doing shit. Original Message From kushm4sta: whatever im doctor. i retardedly protected thrawn whe ni should have protected ve. Original Message From raynpelikoneet: Mafia has 2 KP, it's in the OP. There is no way he is fakeclaiming. Original Message From kushm4sta: im afraid of nk shenanies though. we don't know how many nks they have. (dependent on the number of godfathers i think?) BC could have claimed one of the nks as a vig shot. Of course, it's unlikely. Original Message From raynpelikoneet: I am not scum. You should claim to BC. Original Message From kushm4sta:
ok if you are scum, faking a red check on me was the sickest bluefishing ive ever seen. So here. Go fucking figure that i am scum after this.
(1): 1/29/14 15:17
(2): 1/29/14 15:22
(3): 1/29/14 21:24
(4): 1/30/14 06:12
Actually in the original post 3 and 4 are in wrong order.
Fuck quoting PM's is hard on TL, stupid system..
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If Grackaroni seriously says he thinks i am mafia he can die because he can't be town.
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As mafia, no i would not have saved BH on D1. Why would i lol?
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##unvote
##Vote Coagulation
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Coagulation can go die for not playing.
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Neither of Mocsta/Skan is mafia.
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On February 01 2014 03:38 Blazinghand wrote:So I don't have a good handle on reading coag. any advice?
When he is town he tries to post something useful.
When he is mafia he posts absolutely nothing of value, like here.
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Maybe i yell to someone and get myself modkilled.
This game is so dumb.
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Like Grackaroni, thrawn and Oats are using logic that is so awful i don't even know what to say.
So i just refrain posting. Do what you want to. I don't give a flying fuck.
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So are you going to make a case bumatlarge?
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On February 02 2014 16:37 bumatlarge wrote:
But as I was running for mayor, i think my angle is fine. I did call you town though, so I wasn't thinking to clearly to begin with.
I'll have more on thrawn if the day doesn't end early. I can't do anything except read and respond until tommorrow
TLDR thrawn doesn't have scum reads, just glorified town reads that were bound to happen. PoE is something to help your reads, not define them. He's trusting of certain people but wayward with others as he sees fit.
But you hammered Balla on D2 while you were in the same situation.
Why should we not lynch you?
On top of your head, what's the case? You don't need to do any research. Of course you know he is mafia for some reason as you are voting for him. Why would you vote for him if you "need to find something"?
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There is no way bum does not remember any single reason why thrawn is mafia if he is voting for him.
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A set of quotes to describe bumatlarge's "play" after my case on him, this one:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440856¤tpage=61#1209
On January 27 2014 17:34 bumatlarge wrote:
I'm pretty tired, I'm going to make a better effort on figuring out who I want to lynch tomorrow.
On January 30 2014 04:38 bumatlarge wrote:
Sorry I've been gone. Didn't expect to be busy when I signed up. That's why I stepped down from the race, don't know why tht isn't obvious.
I was confident about QP, but that tells me the race mattered very little. BC is town, so if anything there is more likely to be scum that voted for Rayn. I'm down with lynching balla. I'll try to be back tonight.
On January 31 2014 04:28 bumatlarge wrote:
Meh, after all this, mocsta is probably town. Coag, Grack and Skan.
On February 01 2014 01:47 bumatlarge wrote:
This has to be the most ignorant statement in the thread. I'm not supposed to have reads? I do think grack is mafia.
On February 01 2014 01:56 bumatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2014 01:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta asked you to tell your reads. You said some wishy washy general things abous some people. When he asked to clarify you said "but i have not been able to play, i have not been able to be on computer, i have not been able to do anything.. i have not been able to talk people..".
Excuses, excuses. For about 5 irl-days you have done jack shit in this game.
so in case you some weord fucking reason are town, start now. You sound like you need to calm down. Please attempt to talk with me when you become rational. Thrawn is very likely town, because he is one of the few people I have talked to. He didn't give a lot of scum reads, but he was intent on learning my alignment. His vote on me for mayor that early in the game I took as a town tell. Are you this sure of me being scum because I haven't been around? Think it through again.
On February 01 2014 02:07 bumatlarge wrote:
Grack is mafia. How can you call me scum for reads, or thrawn for just town reads, when there is a post like this.
I asked bum for the vote analysis he promised about 4 days or so ago:
On February 01 2014 02:12 bumatlarge wrote:
It doesn't matter at this point because everyone you and BC wanted to lynch were town. You have a very selective memory if you don't remember the one real post I made in the past few days.
On February 01 2014 03:43 bumatlarge wrote:
I feel pretty confident grack is taking what he can get at this point and that coag is going to flip town.
On February 01 2014 04:10 bumatlarge wrote:
Yes. Did you read my logs with mocsta?
Yes i did and you didn't say anything but "i have no real reads".
On February 01 2014 04:19 bumatlarge wrote:
Skan, Grack, Slam when coag flips town
Then Skan asks bum what if Coag flips mafia.
On February 01 2014 05:59 bumatlarge wrote:
Whatever I feel like. Good on you guys though, I thought for sure that you can grack were shoving a misltnch down everyone's throats. I'm all ears for what you remaining scum team ideas are.
And then, the FINAL!
On February 02 2014 15:02 bumatlarge wrote:
So nothing? You guys really know how to turn on the stupidity when it suits you. I won't feel as bad if I get lynched today, but explaining your reasons would help me avoid it.
##vote thrawn 2112
So please, when your ready to put something in the thread thrawn.
Now this is literally every single thing bumatlarge has done in this game".
rofl <3
Read this, read the last line very carefully.
"when your ready to put something in the thread thrawn"
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So is there some real reasoning?
He is mafia because he doesn't even try to have any reads.
This is not a "lazy townie", this is "bullshit mafia".
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Skanjabs why did you not give me any of your PM's after you promised to do so?
Also why did you not read the Mocsta log after you asked me to give it to you? Yes, i can see from the tinypaste you have not read it.
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01[20:45] <raynpelikoneet> what's interesting is
01[20:45] <raynpelikoneet> that:
01[20:45] <raynpelikoneet> Pasted: 3 hours ago
01[20:45] <raynpelikoneet> Views: 1
01[20:45] <raynpelikoneet> i have viewed it
01[20:45] <raynpelikoneet> skan said this:
01[20:45] <raynpelikoneet> <raynpelikoneet> hey have you talked with people in irc?
01[20:45] <raynpelikoneet> <raynpelikoneet> can you pass me some logs because i am bored
01[20:45] <raynpelikoneet> <Skanjab1s> Ok, let me just finish reading all this stuff
01[20:46] <raynpelikoneet> but he has not even read it
01[20:46] <raynpelikoneet> see
01[20:46] <raynpelikoneet> when you come in, there should be 2 views
[20:46] <Blazinghand|Wor> interesting
[20:46] <Blazinghand|Wor> yes
[20:46] <Blazinghand|Wor> there are now 2 views
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<Skanjab1s> Ok, let me just finish reading all this stuff
You told me that yesterday. Why did you lie?
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On February 02 2014 18:27 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2014 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Skanjabs why did you not give me any of your PM's after you promised to do so?
Also why did you not read the Mocsta log after you asked me to give it to you? Yes, i can see from the tinypaste you have not read it. Dude, I'm like, a 5th of the way through. It is so goddamn massive. I'll finish it by today, and I'll give you my PM's when I've done so.
Also you are still lying:
Now:
Pasted: 1 day ago
Views: 5
Yesterday:
[20:48] <Blazinghand|Wor> oh i refreshed it a few times
[20:48] <Blazinghand|Wor> i stopped at uh
[20:48] <Blazinghand|Wor> 5
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##unvote
##Vote: Skanjab1s
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Mocsta look at your PM's.
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Fine then tinypaste is fucked up.
Back to square one.
##unvote
##Vote: bumatlarge
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On February 02 2014 18:36 Skanjab1s wrote:
Well now I feel like an asshole.
rayn who do you think is bum's partner?
Grack or Oats. Probably Grack.
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Everyone else is basically "cleared" in a way or another.
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I have not checked him.
What does it matter? Do you think he is town?
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Well instead of fishing info why don't you make a case on your top scumread then if you think he is town?
He is currently L-2 if i am not mistaken. Time to start saving your townread.
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I won't.
There is a GF in the game in case you have not noticed.
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BC has all the info he needs.
You don't need to have any because you are not confirmed town.
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##unvote
BC when you are around msg me in irc.
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Okay this was the worst lynch ever. seriously.-
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AND LOOK WHO THE FUCK SHOWS UP FOR HAMMERING?????
Guys! CAN WE FUCKING LYNCH THE OBVSCUMATLARGE???? SOON?
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guys you need to murder bumatlarge. Can you do it please?
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I don't wanna die..
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<raynpelikoneet> why there are 2 people voting for me?
<raynpelikoneet> in a game where if +1 vote gets on me the scum bumatlarge will obviously insta jhammer me and buy himself another day?
<Mocsta> rb claims
<Mocsta> is what it comes down to
<raynpelikoneet> WHAT?
<raynpelikoneet> what fucking br claims?
<raynpelikoneet> rb*
<raynpelikoneet> okay
<raynpelikoneet> i'll self-vote
<raynpelikoneet> so bum can hammer me
<raynpelikoneet> this is so fucking stuopid
<raynpelikoneet> and you guys are so fucking stupid if you are toqwn
##unvote
##vote raynpelikoneet
bum you can hammer
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one of thrawn / mocsta is mafia with bum, i don't know which one.
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hammer me Oats. Please do.
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Then you can tell those idiots to unvote me.
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It does not matter Oats. bum will ovte for me as soon as he comes here because he is mafia.
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Medic saves are notified. Roleblocks on night actions are notified (however if you do not preform a night action you will not be notified if you do get roleblocked)
LSB wtf are you doing?
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Okay apparently BG's are notified of roleblocks even as they have no night actions.
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i didn't, i read the PM again.
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yes Oats i am totally lying about being roleblocked here as mafia.
fucking thrawn and mocsta are not this stupid.
lynch me already so i can get out of this shitgame.
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Which part of the "i do not care" did you not understand?
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well yhrawn and mocsta are not caring either if they are town so i will make sure they get banned too then.
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maybe i should use my mocsta gun?
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no acutall Oats. I PM you a mocsta gun.
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Well now you can kill the other dude and if they flip town you can lynch me.
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I AM NOT A COP YOU IDIOTS?
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Okay Oats explain what's going on and i solve the game for you.
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Stupiest town i have ever seen. + mafia bumatlarge you fuckers refused to kill for fucking 78699812346 days.
Mocsta is scum too. good night idiots.
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BC i feel terrible for you because you need to play these "people".
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On February 05 2014 02:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
this isnt iml unless bc is voting
You can't read the rules either. I am curious why did i even expect you to be able to do so.
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On February 05 2014 03:35 Skanjab1s wrote:
SURPRISE SURPRISE
indeed.
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I asked about it from someone and brought it up. I don't remember who it was and never got an answer as usual..
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EPT
