TL Mafia LXIV: The Restart

On January 24 2014 10:35 Grackaroni wrote:
It would probably be best if you made this a mini.

On January 26 2014 10:47 Balla24 wrote:


better than you generically calling people out every couple posts....

On January 26 2014 10:52 Balla24 wrote:


Why did nobody say it then? You trying to get responses from people is not helpful since you do it in an antagonizing way and don't provide anything else.

What you should be doing is...

"Balla, why are you doing this? It's pointless... you should be doing this: _____"

or

"Let's discuss this because whatever we are doing now is unhelpful, and discussing this will help us do X and Y"

You're just being very rude and annoying.

On January 26 2014 11:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Ok I think Kush and Balla24 might be two town fighting so I'm going to vote myself for mayor

##Vote: GGTeMpLaR

On January 04 2014 06:40 Alakaslam wrote:
^^that could go for Gumshoe & Coag too?

Heck and why not- EVERYONE THAT COMES. Let's discuss whether or not to lynch a lurker because at least it's something to discuss, and fwiw I think Rayne makes a good point but he could be scum- make me sure or make me understand?

Hopefully, there will be no lurkers for a lurker lynch. But nonetheless here it is, if you have something better to discuss feel free to put it out there.

On January 26 2014 11:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Now to get discussion rolling.

Please discuss, what do we think Grackaroni would do as mayor? Granted it would help if grak himself were to shed light on the subject but for now let us speculate. Why should or should not Grack be mayor?

My reasoning on VE is he is who I tend to trust. If I see him act as a scum I will move my vote.

As for anyone who wonders why I am campaigning for Grack if I am not actually votin for him?

Brb

On January 26 2014 11:47 Alakaslam wrote:


That masterpiece is te exhibit of my control over how I appear, not a proof that I cannot be pro-town as town. Nay, ET was the masterpiece that will not happen again

On January 26 2014 13:19 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I think Kush is town right now because he seems to be pushing people in BM ways and making enemies in a way a mafia most likely wouldn't + I skimmed his filter from other games to confirm him complaining about spam is his normal town play.

On January 26 2014 13:19 Alakaslam wrote:
Do you think there will ever be a movie as popular as ET ever again?

On January 26 2014 14:08 Alakaslam wrote:

I am Grack's campaign manager and VE is a vet I trust.

On January 26 2014 14:08 Alakaslam wrote:

I am Grack's campaign manager and VE is a vet I trust.

On January 26 2014 09:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Depends on if I think I can lynch scum D1 or not. Probably. I'll go ahead and do one of these in the meantime though.

##Vote: VisceraEyes

On January 26 2014 18:13 Blazinghand wrote:
slam just pmed me telling me he thinks i'm scum, I think. he sounds a little angry (crazy?) but it's always hard to tell with him.

On January 26 2014 20:52 Mocsta wrote:
Soon

Whose been "untrustworthy"

On January 27 2014 01:58 Skanjab1s wrote:
Please can we never vote VE for mayor, he's just going to murder me again, like the other game.

In unrelated news, is there a way I can change my name on this site? This name is completely retarded and it sounds like something a downs kid came up with whilst high as fuck.

On January 27 2014 02:02 QuantumPope wrote:
Hi everyone, sorry I was late to the party. I have never played with any of you in fourm mafia but I’m going to try and give my full and honest reads here from what I’ve seen so far in this game.


The Good: Right now VE, Thrawn, Balla, Grack, and Alakaslam

have been contributing to furthering the conversation. In some cases it has been extremely elaborate with reasoning, information and solid reasoning. In the other cases it’s legit trolling trying to get people to talk. I’m okay with all these people tentatively.

The Bad: Tehpoofter, GGTeMpLaR, BloodyC0bbler, Skanjab1s, Storrzerg, and kush

have all contributed quite a bit as well but something about these people’s early reasoning does not sit well with me. Maybe they’re scum hunting with their comments but the interactions just don’t scream town for me. I am just not particularly excited about what these people have to say.

The Ugly: Coagulation, BlazingHand, Wile E. Coyote, Oatsmaster, bumatlarge, and Mocasta.

These people have either not posted or have not given me enough to read on. I have a hard time reading into trolls. These people, in my opinion, have added very little information of substance or attempting to drive the conversation in a direction that seems town oriented.

My reads will change as the game progresses and hopefully my post will generate some talk amongst you fine folk.

On January 27 2014 02:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
I also think that BH is scum for a specific, PM related reason that I'm not willing to share with the group, but I will say that he's not floating my boat in the thread either.

On January 27 2014 02:26 QuantumPope wrote:


Grack: I appreciate his confidence in his Day 1 reads. While he is on my good list he isn't particularly high on it I appreciated his campaign motto of lynching his reads. He is leaning towards the ugly with his trolling but he does make the list.

Alaka: He's essentially baiting out comments. I like that to get the town talking on Day 1 but if it continues into the following days he'll probably land in my ugly list.

On January 27 2014 02:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
At the time of your post I had one post, made less than an hour before your post. Skanj had like 2 posts, and storr has like 4-5.

None of us have contributed quite a bit. Its clearly a post made in retardation and it was crafted with next to no real thought behind it.

On January 27 2014 02:26 QuantumPope wrote:


Grack: I appreciate his confidence in his Day 1 reads. While he is on my good list he isn't particularly high on it I appreciated his campaign motto of lynching his reads. He is leaning towards the ugly with his trolling but he does make the list.

Alaka: He's essentially baiting out comments. I like that to get the town talking on Day 1 but if it continues into the following days he'll probably land in my ugly list.

On January 27 2014 22:01 Mocsta wrote:

OK

So...
Mocsta - I assume you are referring to my distaste of VE.

BH - I asume you are referring to VE's distaste

QP - I assume you are referring to QP's distaste

Slam - Please expound.

On January 27 2014 13:37 Mocsta wrote:
Regarding VE, my core issue is how he proceeded with the mayoral campaign.
Its purely a sales pitch with no substance.
Typically town VE receives support for the mayoral camapign precisely because he is actively scum hunting and involving people and elucidating his townieness clearly. It is true he has often lynched scum as town mayor.

In this game however, he was resting on his past laurels as an accolade to the mayor seat and in my opinion not furthering the thread towards a scum lynch.
When I call him out on it, he proceeds to then go into a tit-for-tat with me on IRC instead of actually try to understand my argument and do something about it.
Frankly I find this an insincere attempt to run for mayor; and given his quick abandonment to then support BC I find this motive a scummy attempt to keep up appearances.

So yes, if i was mayor I would be lynching VE.

On January 28 2014 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Maybe kush is the fourth scum then.. hmm..

On January 28 2014 15:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I vouch hard for QP lynch.
Storrzerg makes BC mayor.
Storrzerg can't possible be mafia unless they don't wanna lynch QP - otherwise he had just voted for me.

AND BC LYNCHES HIM ?!?!?!
BC can't be town. He just can't be.

On January 28 2014 17:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I'm gonna put this here so I don't forget and so you guys have something to fawn over while I get my beauty sleep

Bum
Balla
BC
BH

On January 28 2014 21:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:



To be quite honest. I don't fully trust rayn. I took a leap of faith on BH but still dislike his play. Fact of the matter is if two people I dislike/distrust are pushing an agenda that is insanely last minute why would I follow their lead?

Do i think Pope looks bad? Sure, but my last communication with storr had him defending ggtemp as well as pope. Fact of the matter was the last time i had talked to him out of thread the guy thought I was scum then reversed his opinion imo in a really weird way.

I'm working off
pope based on his last post. way too many contradictions for someone who values quality posting apparently.
bum based on the follow up discussion I had with him. hes null on me now apparently. but that big post of his wasnt even up to date. clearly he gives no fucks about the game.

those are my top two
iffy reads are
coag cos hes done nothing which reminds me of LoL
tehpoofteh who apparently is getting replaced so I may give benefit of the doubt

there's a couple null reads but they not relevant currently

On January 29 2014 16:11 Mocsta wrote:
Elucidate me.

On January 26 2014 16:22 Balla24 wrote:


You said you wanted to put a lot of stock into who votes for who. My first thought is:

- He wants to deduce relationships between people.

So I then think, well relationships are useless between unflipped players, so he must be planning on lynching a mayoral candidate (someone who was garnering votes) to be able to see if there might be scum-scum votes or the like. I don't see how that's a strange thing to think about, so I asked you.

Original Message From bumatlarge:
the point is to get people voting, i don't actually think people running quickly is going to solve anything, but I want to see where votes go. I'm in a vote analysis kind of mentality right now, and I think I can get a solid person to lynch if there are alot of votes.

On January 29 2014 20:15 Mocsta wrote:

high level means its discussed briefly
thus, its completely plausible there was never a genuine conversation taken place.

low level infers analysis was performed, greatly increasing the odds that genuine conversation took place.

ultimately this is the core of the argument.
That the conversation between balla/bum is genuine.

Instead of dicking around with Rayn about who is right or wrong.
I think the best solution is to ask for the PM proof (if it is required) to then reassess the read.

From my perspective, we can't lynch 3 people in 1 cycle. And i dont want to bog the main scumspect with 1million questions either.

On January 29 2014 20:23 Mocsta wrote:

Kush.
Rayn + BC both had 8 votes.

That was almost a majority and what I would strongly consider to me "alot of votes".

Did Bum come to you in PMs with this analysis?; because i dont recall it being injected into the thread.

On January 29 2014 20:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Where do you actually stand with your read on Mocsta?
You have changed your read at least 4 times from "totally scum" to "totally town" and vice versa in ~5 hours.
So what is it and why?

On January 29 2014 20:28 Mocsta wrote:
u want me to go away from the public thread so then u can call me scum for being afk

lol

On January 29 2014 20:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
and if you say the last post does not say mocsta is mafia then you make misleading posts because you clearly say "the first one is more likely" which means you think it's likely that balla and mocsta are mafai, which means you think mocsta is mafia.

On January 29 2014 15:34 Mocsta wrote:
In my opinion. Grack as scum follows thread sentiment very well.

E.g. his bus on me when we were both scum

This game I find his posts to be his own opinion and often against thread sentiment.

E.g. his read on oats when others were focused on bum.

This segues into.
U listed oats

Can u flesh this out in more detail pls.

On January 29 2014 21:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And ho does your reliance on shit meta for your reads compare to this? Yes, you use a fuckton of shit meta which is completely incorrect because you can't even remember what happened in the last 2 games.

Also can you answer this:

?

On January 29 2014 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You can't just fucking quote a post and say "wrong". Show us all how it's wrong. Because the Coag thing at least is really accurate. I have even talked about it with Coag on teamspeak before the Extractor trick game.

On January 29 2014 15:34 Mocsta wrote:
In my opinion. Grack as scum follows thread sentiment very well.

E.g. his bus on me when we were both scum

This game I find his posts to be his own opinion and often against thread sentiment.

E.g. his read on oats when others were focused on bum.

This segues into.
U listed oats

Can u flesh this out in more detail pls.

On January 30 2014 04:06 thrawn2112 wrote:
but balla has to be scum though. he always rolls scum. if he fiannly rolled town why wouldn't he be eager to play instead of this "i'm bored" stuff?

On January 26 2014 16:22 Balla24 wrote:


You said you wanted to put a lot of stock into who votes for who. My first thought is:

- He wants to deduce relationships between people.

So I then think, well relationships are useless between unflipped players, so he must be planning on lynching a mayoral candidate (someone who was garnering votes) to be able to see if there might be scum-scum votes or the like. I don't see how that's a strange thing to think about, so I asked you.

On January 30 2014 05:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
i dont accept that as an argument until I can see the logs

On January 30 2014 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Oats claimed mafia.
Lynch him next.

On January 30 2014 10:40 Grackaroni wrote:

I really doubt that. But I'll guess we'll find out at the end of the game.

On January 30 2014 10:40 Grackaroni wrote:

I really doubt that. But I'll guess we'll find out at the end of the game.

On January 29 2014 21:32 Skanjab1s wrote:

This is his only reasoning for me being his 3rd highest scumread. It's that I said I think coag is scum. Coag, who is his second highest scumread (Also for terrible reasoning, as kush has pointed out). This logic does not make sense from a town perspective, and is incredibly weak.

For Oats, he gives this pile of ass. "You have done some very townie things, but then you did this one thing that I don't see town doing" A completely null read. The thing that he gives Oats a townread for isn't even a town-tell. Scum and town can both be emotionally invested in the game, and Oats as scum HAS been emotionally invested in the past.

He ends this off with an incredibly easy to answer question, which would serve to remove his "suspicion" from Oats.
I can definitely see these two as a scumteam. But I'll save the connection stuff for after Mocsta flips.

-Says his activity seems to have dropped, just as bum's has.
For bum, he thinks that "after an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game" and that this "makes a lot of sense as scum."
But for Balla, this very same thing is a null-tell, because other people think he is town?
This does not make logical sense unless he is fabricating reasoning for Bum being scum.

On January 31 2014 01:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Why is mocsta a sure thing