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On January 25 2014 22:07 marvellosity wrote: Could make chatting to your masonbuddy tricky This deserves a mafia 2014 award full-stop marv for funniest post and LSB for best drama lol | ||
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On January 26 2014 07:37 thrawn2112 wrote: mocsta plz be town Muahahahah I havent checked PM yet. but lets say yse (im reading the thread backwards) | ||
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On January 26 2014 07:21 Balla24 wrote: Nice flower. It's very beautiful. ##vote Balla24 My people. I am Duke Ballington, ready to purge the city walls of the scum. You will vote me for mayor of this city or you are probably scum. Thank you. P.S. I'm mason with BlazingHand, just gonna get that out of the way before he gets me modkilled. This is awesome. I hope we arent on the same scum team ##Vote: balla24 | ||
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Peace out and be back in 24 hrs. Yes, this is the equivalent to y'all independence day. Don't be shy wit those PMs too. My inbox is unfortunately dry. Thrawn im looking at you in particular. | ||
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On January 26 2014 11:42 kushm4sta wrote: Scum alakaslam from extractor mini mafia: This game: In both posts he is promoting discussion about alignment neutral topics to look active early game. It's not something I've seen him do as town. Can you stop trying to play please. Its making it hard to read your alignment FFS. | ||
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On January 26 2014 16:12 kushm4sta wrote: i agree that balla is scummy, but I dont want to say why yet. Lemme guess. Bussing? | ||
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On January 26 2014 18:13 Blazinghand wrote: slam just pmed me telling me he thinks i'm scum, I think. he sounds a little angry (crazy?) but it's always hard to tell with him. Jessie. He's town yo Stop ya whining bitch Walt Now blazinghand I think we can come to an amicable solution to this issue. Tell me your weakness and let me exploit it. | ||
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For day1 He's town yo | ||
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We are masons after all. | ||
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Coached both and happy with their suspicion levels. Ve would be the lowest on my list It going to but that out with him more tomorrow | ||
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On January 26 2014 18:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Well not me. Vote for me and I will totally lynch scum. I have a 100 percent scum lynch rate as town-aligned mayor! Yes but u also got elected as assassin so thanks. It no thanks | ||
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Fact is I dislike the way you are sprouting tour past games Its great n all you have a 100% record as town... But I do t know your alignment this game so its meaningless. | ||
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On January 26 2014 19:18 VisceraEyes wrote: Its like a resume. It means I'm capable. As in if you find you have a townread on me your vote is well placed on me. I don't expect it now, but saying you won't vote for me because a town elected me as an Assassin in the past is absurd. I was offering a counter point to your resume. Something which is factual and u seem to be reluctant to ackwonledge Regardless My vote will either be on myself or someone whose scum read I agree with. On the latter you have elucidated nothing. | ||
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Whose been "untrustworthy" | ||
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Finally caught up on the thread. (1) BC is dodgy On January 27 2014 11:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Mocsta has a very high chance of flipping scum imo. He is activeish via irc/pms but has been dodging the thread. Untop of that he was actively doing shennanigans on irc that are extremely suspect. Firstly, his accusation that I have been dodging the thread? Based on what? I have been open to everyone that I have been busy, too busy to read the thread. The commitment of PMs is significantly less than the thread. Further, I tried to engage in dialogue with BC yesterday with a straight forward ice breaker to be promptly ignored. Then he tries to slander my by talking about shennanigans. Again, explain the "extremely suspect" motive BC. Go on... I dare you. I agree with Storr, you are not a suitable mayor candidate; let alone a town read for me. Having played 3 or 4 games with you as both on the scum team, I am very much aware that you like to start off your scum games by picking on what you perceive as weak players. Quantom Pope fits this bill both in reputation on TL (unknown) and how you approached him as a scum read with the attack. I am curious to see these PM logs that VE state show you are looking after towns best interests; because everything I have seen publicly suggests otherwise. On January 27 2014 05:56 bumatlarge wrote: And can anyone explain mocsta faking to be other people in IRC? Why would you ever do that. That's by far the scummiest thing someone has done this game. I would lynch him. LOl... see above. Classic pants on head. So you didnt like what I did. I dare you to explain the scum motivation of pretending to be player X.. and then talking to player X saying I am player X. Heres a question for you: What do you make of BC bum? On January 27 2014 11:43 StorrZerg wrote: mocsta has not talked to me  I left IRC on, but wasnt around. Feel free to PM me as I gotta shoot off after this post. On January 27 2014 06:22 Skanjab1s wrote: I don't think it's necessarily scummy to bluehunt in PM's. It's something scum COULD do, but town could do it just the same, and with many different motives. It's not very indicative in my opinion. BBYGURL, I am still waiting for an answer to the question last night... if its not clear: On January 26 2014 20:35 Skanjab1s wrote: Hi guys im town so if you could all just believe me and not be so untrustworthy then I'm conftown and this game will be great On January 26 2014 20:52 Mocsta wrote: Soon Whose been "untrustworthy" Also (1) I am not mason with Slam. I wrote that wrong. I meant generic PM ability mason. Sorry for the confusion that caused several people. Having said that, I disagree with Balla24 that slam should be lynched. He is doing something currently which I think is potentially very un-scummy and I would like to see how it unfolds. yes, slam has some sort of plan that he has told different snippets to differetn people. Through my mason circle I found that that there is some sort of synergy going on. Too convoluted to be scum Day1 in my opinion. (2) GG I think is town and the rolefishing is just him trying to bait responses. I think people forget hes a newish player (3) Quantum seems OK so far. Has a bluntness about him that I like. Thus, My current top two lynch candidates are VE whom I am not liking this cycle for a variety of reasons I will discuss below & potentially BC based on the above whom seems to be trying to take easy swipes at anyone and everyone. Regarding VE, my core issue is how he proceeded with the mayoral campaign. Its purely a sales pitch with no substance. Typically town VE receives support for the mayoral camapign precisely because he is actively scum hunting and involving people and elucidating his townieness clearly. It is true he has often lynched scum as town mayor. In this game however, he was resting on his past laurels as an accolade to the mayor seat and in my opinion not furthering the thread towards a scum lynch. When I call him out on it, he proceeds to then go into a tit-for-tat with me on IRC instead of actually try to understand my argument and do something about it. Frankly I find this an insincere attempt to run for mayor; and given his quick abandonment to then support BC I find this motive a scummy attempt to keep up appearances. So yes, if i was mayor I would be lynching VE. Ciao I will try to be back in a few hours. | ||
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On January 27 2014 15:54 Skanjab1s wrote: Ahaha, because you come from TL, silly. I can't just be letting everybody into our secret club, it's exclusive, y'know. If you want to join us you're going to have to do something to prove your worth, baby. ims till waiting for an answer to these untrustworthy ppl | ||
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On January 27 2014 15:59 Skanjab1s wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 27 2014 15:56 Mocsta wrote: ims till waiting for an answer to these untrustworthy ppl I meant to say "untrusting", I wasn't calling anyone untrustworthy, I just used the wrong word. On January 27 2014 15:57 VisceraEyes wrote: You're all flunkies from another website. Our love for the game is what brings us together. THE GAME. Are you just trying to hurt me, is that what this is Skanjab1s Is there someone you clearly want lynched this DAy 1? | ||
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On January 27 2014 16:05 Skanjab1s wrote: Skanjab1s Is there someone you clearly want lynched this DAy 1? You're probably the person I'd be happiest to lynch today, Mocsta. But other than that, no, there isn't.[/QUOTE] Do you have a reason? | ||
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On January 27 2014 16:20 Oatsmaster wrote: lol why? Free country babz | ||
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On January 27 2014 16:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Unless you intend to make a serious drive, BH likelier to be voted mayor than even you Mocsta fmp. Your vote is better placed on that guy. Thanks for the <3 One day you will respect me. | ||
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Keep riding that vet dick. | ||
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On January 27 2014 20:50 kushm4sta wrote: alak claimed to me too btw. Me 2... | ||
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On January 27 2014 20:57 kushm4sta wrote: BlazingHand Alakaslam QuantumPope Mocsta any of these people can die and I would be happy. OK So... Mocsta - I assume you are referring to my distaste of VE. BH - I asume you are referring to VE's distaste QP - I assume you are referring to QP's distaste Slam - Please expound. | ||
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On January 27 2014 22:08 kushm4sta wrote: No. Tunnel me again mocsta. Worked out real well for you last time. If you won't do it for me, then do it for VE. | ||
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The claiming is potentially an issue and something i am trying to get an answer on. Something funny is happening here The VE thing is obviously not an issue to me; in fact its concerning you have such a strong read on someone that anyone who opposes him is considering scum to you. Extractor thing holds some weight but is not a guaranteed tell alone. | ||
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On January 28 2014 00:38 Oatsmaster wrote: So I've been talking with Mocsta the confirmed townie, and he tells of the existence of a qt that currently has 4 members, 2 of them being Mocsta and BH. BH/2 unknown members, 1 probably thrawn, care to share about what is going on inside it? ..... I won't be bullied into giving this out Oats. Town in general should be kept on a need-to only basis. | ||
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On January 28 2014 00:40 kushm4sta wrote: mocsta is a confirmed townie? To me I am. | ||
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On January 28 2014 00:42 kushm4sta wrote: how is mocsta mod confirmed town u GONNa stop ignoring me now bbygrl | ||
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On January 28 2014 00:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: There is literally no way day 1 someone can be a confirmed town with this setup. Although a 4 member qt is interesting given the fact that you know, the mafia team has 4 people. If anything this situation is sounding closer to two confirmed mafia Fair assumption Ironically its called "..... Scum QT" It actually started as 2 members BH + "X" I was added today. Another member was invited this afternoon. The assumption is wrong though being the actual scumQT. | ||
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On January 28 2014 00:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Like seriously? If hosts are pming players the alignment of other players during the day phase of a game when the only role in the game that can do that is a night only role then I outright refuse to believe you. If it turns out that LSB or his hosts have done this, then we deal with it after the game, but regardless as of right now im outright calling you a liar. Well.. whether oats is lying about the method or not. The outcome is indeed correct. Tough titties. Lets IRC anyways. | ||
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On January 28 2014 02:17 Alakaslam wrote: not really playing; or decided to sto playing?Hey I lynch tehpoofter. He is lurking almost as much as wile e coyote. Except wile e coyote is 100% new and not really playing apparently. | ||
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At the end of the cycle? | ||
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On January 28 2014 02:38 Blazinghand wrote: ok im here via phone. i lied to Ve you dont think id tell someone if someone.else was blue. the qt is named scum qt because maybe if someone is scum they slip up and post in wrong qt. Wait.. so you invited the 2nd person into the circle because you had a scum read on them? | ||
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##Vote: BC Cos the PMs said so.. suck it | ||
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1. Out of the video mafia boys he was null on all except gig who he thought was town 2. He was suspicious of oats, reason unknown apparently based on pms. Now. I OK with oats so far. He's been annoying but also emotionally invested. Out of the above I would say he's my least priority along with gig whom I did and still think is town. So the rest of his shit list was balls, pope, poofteh .... Has anyone managed to engage in dialogue with poofteh? Its imperative to know if he is full fan or selective afk | ||
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On January 28 2014 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe kush is the fourth scum then.. hmm.. Irc bitch | ||
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On January 28 2014 11:42 kushm4sta wrote: @mocsta how the fuck do you expect me to read you if everything you do is in fucking irc.. Fair call Well u can stop ignoring my PMS... U can ask me stuff in the thread Or u can join me on arc For what its worth Me n ve ironed out our differeneces | ||
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From what I heard the cycle deadline wasn't clear and caused confusion. | ||
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On January 28 2014 13:28 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah? N u see nothing conflicting/contradicting in position with it? P.s. No one got back to me on contact with tehpooftej Pls if u talking to him lemme or the thread know | ||
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Reads evolve. I think prior to lynch ve was not a strong candidate. | ||
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One. Why is what Ryan would do null? Two. What is the mental note of these for? Its not referenced later Three. BC made a post declaring intent to vite BH or storr. How did u miss this? Four. Are u inferring I am scum by association with QP. If so, why is BH not considered? | ||
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Don't like the lynch. Control it yourself | ||
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On January 28 2014 16:20 GGTeMpLaR wrote: bum didn't analyze my mayoral campaign top scum still How was the movie lol | ||
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I been curious about this for a while u were confident BC was a good choice for mayor before you also said you only engaged in PMS with wile.e I believe how come you didn't try to pm/chat with BC?? | ||
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any PMS with ppl outside omgus? | ||
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awards is aware | ||
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one ya omgus crew disagrees vehemently with me on that I wonder if he will think u r scum because of that | ||
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I proposed him as one of my reads | ||
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I let him contact if he chooses to. it hink the issue perhaps was more he thought I was choosing an easy cop out target. skanjab.. do u have a second target u would like lynched?? | ||
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what I want to see is more effort put in by QP, coag and bum and thepoofteh replacement. basically we have 48hrs and right now I would be looking for someone out of that group specifically. I'm also waiting for BC to shed more light on how the lynch went down. kush asked some valid questions I thought. | ||
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On January 28 2014 21:53 kushm4sta wrote: i know you went to work and you will probably never answer this but.. What doesn't make sense to me is that you seemed to have decided the lynch was between bh and storr instead of QP BEFORE rayn even replaced in. And here you giving rayn as a reason for not wanting to lynch QP. I can answer this BC read on qp at the point in time he declared BH/storrnwas not super strong. regarding why qp wasnt considered closer to lynch I just want to know if its as simple as what he said before in reference to storrzerg defending gg and pope. | ||
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Lets make the most of the 48hrs and not rush into voting anyone. Treat this like an instant majority lynch (which it kinda is with the mayor power anyways) FYI, I am working off: Town Pool of players for lynch ordered by scumminess Frankly, Bums play makes a lot of sense as scum.
In short: he is doing the bare minimum to blend in whilst contributing nothing. SCUM What I would like to see from bum: (1) Please give me an update on your top 2 or 3 scum reads with justifications to why. (2) I would also like to know if you have been in correspondance with Coag. Coagulation
Some questions to all regarding Coag: (1) Has anyone shared PM/IRC with Coag? If so, has the game actually tried to be discussed in a way conducive to solving it? (2) Bum/Coag: Did you two talk together before Coag voted you as mayor? Lower Priority Reads Skanjabs I would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. Oats I dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? Balla24 I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill? | ||
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On January 26 2014 09:43 bumatlarge wrote: I haven't talked with my friends, but I think I will be the mayor. I will build on our foundation of towniess to stone the mafia dead. I have a rock solid mentality and my play is concrete. I will study your meta, may it not morphic our reads. The igneous ones will be chastised and their reads will be obsidious. I will provide lots of graphites to help comprehend our interactions. For I am an expert of masonry and I pride myself in the craft! Vote Bum for mayor because he is mad confident in his scum hunting now. You can PM me whenever. I'm up for that. To the red: Who are these "friends"? To the bold: Why did you not check my meta from the previous game before whispering to BC about my "Bungle" incident. | ||
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U don't think bum needs to respond to his accusations? | ||
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On January 29 2014 12:15 Oatsmaster wrote: THe more votes bum gets, the more likely some idiot comes in and ends the day. What does that have to do with my comment. Again. Do you think that bum has no need to answer his accusations. Its a simple yes or no. | ||
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On January 29 2014 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote: didnt really like his vet shit but meh, I changed my mind after reading his filter. Changed your mind in what? Is he town or scum, oats | ||
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On January 29 2014 12:36 Oatsmaster wrote: context is very important mocsta. It is. But u r dodging an answer If undecided say that But right now it looks like u r hiding giving YOUR opinion, whilst cock blocking everyone else. | ||
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On January 29 2014 12:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Who are vets and how do you know that grack? Mocsta, "who wants to lynch slam" "oh wait I changed my mind" makes me read alak as what? Like u said context is important Your question isn't clear to me. | ||
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On January 29 2014 13:56 kushm4sta wrote: mocsta is on a train to lynchbait city OK How about instead of taking swipes you man up. Who are your pool of candidates? | ||
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On January 29 2014 14:00 Coagulation wrote: should lynch kushes town reads every game Did u chat with bum before Coting him as mayor And did you post as brought in the at BH had with storr? | ||
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And brought with broag Sorry | ||
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Do u have a preferred lynch target? | ||
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He's confirmed town. Op states scum have 2kp.. 3 were shot | ||
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On January 29 2014 15:09 kushm4sta wrote: scratch that mocsta's back to scum Don't worry We knew u was trolling before when u recanted By we I mean the whole thread | ||
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What gives homie | ||
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Pie list is Scum list | ||
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On January 29 2014 15:25 kushm4sta wrote: mocsta there is one scenario im considering where you are scum. you are busing your whole team except grack. something like that. Why is that scenario more valid than any other? Like you are grasping onto anything just to put my name in your shit list. Like I said before. Somehow. Your PoE ended up the same as mine. Yet apparently I'm chasing lynchbait or bussing my whole team. Lol. | ||
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E.g. his bus on me when we were both scum This game I find his posts to be his own opinion and often against thread sentiment. E.g. his read on oats when others were focused on bum. This segues into. U listed oats Can u flesh this out in more detail pls. | ||
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On January 29 2014 15:54 kushm4sta wrote: Elucidate me.just realized mocsta/bum can't both be scum because of something mocsta said about pm convos with bum. So actually I would lynch balla since eitehr mocsta/balla are scum and bum is town or bum is scum and mocsta/balla are town the first seems more likely | ||
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What? You proposed two scenarios suggesting DIRECTLY that was more was plausible, perhaps likely, than the other. I want to know why. You can't just throw out statements and not back them up. Accountability, son. | ||
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On January 29 2014 16:24 kushm4sta wrote: 2 scenarios mocsta/balla scum, bm town bm scum, mocsta/balla town It doesn't take rocket science to figure out why I think the first is more likely. Well I'm stupid So aside from personal prejudice I can't figure it out Enlighten me | ||
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On January 29 2014 16:32 kushm4sta wrote: an interaction between bum and balla leads me to believe that they cant both be mafia something mocsta said about bum leads me to believe they can't both be mafia. OK that's acceptable I got the logic for the scenarios I wasn't sure why one was higher chance than the other Carry on | ||
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Every game op says be careful on irc as u can't be sure who u r talking to. Are you mod killing me..... | ||
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I know u reported me | ||
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Bum coag oats And slam | ||
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{Bum, Balla, Skanjab} - Nothing Slam been around, so has Oats Seriously, I thought the hours directly after the lynch were compatible with Americanos for posting (i.e. 8pm - 12pm) ish. hhmmmm | ||
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On January 29 2014 20:08 kushm4sta wrote: bum's activity pattern looks pretty similar nmm ep 1. I haven't seen the PMs but im sure they exist because they wouldn't be able to discuss the logic of the pms on such a high level if they didn't exist. Keep in mind the context, which is hard for you because you weren't in game at the time. Bum put forth a plan where everyone vote for mayor early. He pmed some people, me, balla, not sure who else,about how he was doing the plan because he wanted everyone to vote for mayor so he could analyze those votes. Bum said he was really into analyzing votes atm. Then Bum comes into the thread calling balla scummy because of logical leaps. Balla explains that what he said is not so much a logical leap as it is pointing out a flaw in bum's plan, the assumption of connections before someone has been flipped. Anyway it's just impossible that they are both scum. I think scum balla could easily shit on bum's plan in this way though. I assume this is a mental slip and you meant "Low" Otherwise the argument is already debunked. | ||
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On January 29 2014 20:11 kushm4sta wrote: how is the argument debunked? high level means its discussed briefly thus, its completely plausible there was never a genuine conversation taken place. low level infers analysis was performed, greatly increasing the odds that genuine conversation took place. ultimately this is the core of the argument. That the conversation between balla/bum is genuine. Instead of dicking around with Rayn about who is right or wrong. I think the best solution is to ask for the PM proof (if it is required) to then reassess the read. From my perspective, we can't lynch 3 people in 1 cycle. And i dont want to bog the main scumspect with 1million questions either. | ||
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On January 29 2014 20:18 kushm4sta wrote: meanwhile mocsta is still scummy as hell. dat badge of mocsta dominance. still there. disagreeing with your opinion does not make someone scummy. what i stated is accordance with my previous post. There has been too much bickering/tunneling over information not getting updated simply because people required for questioning are not present. The bitching between you/rayn above is an example of the above. Does it matter if balla OR bum cant be scum together? No, because we can only lynch one and both have questions to answer. | ||
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On January 29 2014 20:17 kushm4sta wrote: there's no way they are having that discussion about a pm conversation that didn't exist. Here is what Bum pmed me. He probably pmed the same thing or something similar to balla. Kush. Rayn + BC both had 8 votes. That was almost a majority and what I would strongly consider to me "alot of votes". Did Bum come to you in PMs with this analysis?; because i dont recall it being injected into the thread. | ||
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i was about to destroy kush on LoL PyP quotes but first I will address you effort. brb | ||
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On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote: Lower Priority Reads Skanjabs I would like him to detail his scum read on Coag more. I am concerned not by him not being able to explain his read; but moreso, why he even started considering Coag in the first place. On January 29 2014 21:32 Skanjab1s wrote: Explain why it doesnt make sense from a town perspective, and moreso why it is weak.This is his only reasoning for me being his 3rd highest scumread. It's that I said I think coag is scum. Coag, who is his second highest scumread (Also for terrible reasoning, as kush has pointed out). This logic does not make sense from a town perspective, and is incredibly weak. I have a specific reason why Coag came into my mind. You instead randomly conjure him as a scumread -- one that I think is accurate as well. In my quote I actually argue your sentence actually applies to yourself. On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote: Oats I dont know what I want out of you, and I don't know how to approach. Somethings you have done I thought are quite townie (i.e. emotionally invested in the game); than there is stuff like outing the PM circle which I cant comprehend as a town action. You have played with Skanjab and Coag. What is your read on those 2 players? On January 29 2014 21:32 Skanjab1s wrote: For Oats, he gives this pile of ass. "You have done some very townie things, but then you did this one thing that I don't see town doing" A completely null read. The thing that he gives Oats a townread for isn't even a town-tell. Scum and town can both be emotionally invested in the game, and Oats as scum HAS been emotionally invested in the past. He ends this off with an incredibly easy to answer question, which would serve to remove his "suspicion" from Oats. I can definitely see these two as a scumteam. But I'll save the connection stuff for after Mocsta flips. I dont give a shit how Oats plays on OMGUS. He has a commonly accepted specific meta tell to his scum play and that is emotional investment. Again refer to PyP LoL, a game where Coag, oats and myself were all scum. oats was lynched BECAUSE of emotional investment. The most interesting thing I see here is the bolded, specifically: the scum team according to you is Coag, myself and now Oatsmaster. Please outline why Oatsmaster is scum as this is the first I have heard of it from you. On January 29 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote: Balla24 I know you had an early scum read on me, and started ignoring me. Without being able to talk to you I have no way to read you; and your activity seems to have dropped recently. Everyone I trust thinks you are town though so I am giving you some benefit of the doubt. This will only hold for so long though without new discussion between us. Can you please update me with your read on Oats. Also, what do you make of the VE kill? On January 29 2014 21:32 Skanjab1s wrote: How are Bum and Balla following similar paths in this game. You are cherry picking phrases to mix apples and oranges.-Says his activity seems to have dropped, just as bum's has. For bum, he thinks that "after an active start, he has taken a backseat to the game" and that this "makes a lot of sense as scum." But for Balla, this very same thing is a null-tell, because other people think he is town? This does not make logical sense unless he is fabricating reasoning for Bum being scum. If you need it paraphrased: I state that I can't get an updated read on Balla because hes ignoring me. If this continues into Day2 I will find it scummy he is avoiding me. The icing on the cake: On January 29 2014 21:04 Skanjab1s wrote: The Coag thing isn't accurate at all Explain. An easy statement backed up by nothing. Because again, all the points above read as a smear campaign. No thought, no effort, no substance. | ||
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On January 29 2014 22:23 kushm4sta wrote: @mocsta in LOL PYP oats was lynched because of some shit koshi invented. He was the last scum left alive. Also Coag trolled quite a bit in that game and he was scum. So i don't see how your coag read makes any sense. Coag did not troll until he launched a nuke. I had to ask the fucking hosts not ONLY for what hero he chose.. but what fucking night action he submitted COS HE ZIPPED HIS MOUTH THE WHOLE FUCKING TIEM. dont you fucking tell me who scum coag plays on TL. | ||
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But the item was given to him sepcifically because of emotinoal investment. You are reading the end destiatnion, and forgetting the journey. | ||
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On January 29 2014 22:29 Oatsmaster wrote: I think I conceded. Game was depressing. Yeah I dont like that case Mocsta. 1 - Why are you attacking someone for having the same scumread as you? 2 - 2nd point is irrelevant to your's or skanjab's alignment. 3 - Bum activity levels are relatively similar too, only that burst of action after the lynch separates them. 4 - The Coag thing is a non-issue. 1. Because I dont want people to agree with me. I want to know how they got their. Skanjab cannot answer that. Anyone can bus or +1 an argument. If there was any credit given to Skanjab it is because he raised Coag in the thread before I did (I think). Without substantiation, there is no credit though. 2. It is irrelevant for him to outline why he is now stating you are scum? Are you serious? 3. So Balla made a big deal about my IRC smurfing. Balla has gone out of his way to be vague in discussions and not contribute anything in reads? Balla has made a catch up post that is actually not even up to date with the thread; and then hasnt returned? Cos i dont know any similarity Oats. 4. See #2. | ||
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On January 29 2014 22:42 Oatsmaster wrote: Activity =/= content. 1. Skanjab is now defending coag I think. Im not sure. 2. Its irrelevant for either of your alignments at this point of time. Im not sure why you think that its scummy. Im pretty sure Skanjab is calling You, me + Coag a scum team. 2. When did I say its scummy. I found something I wanted him to detail more on? I dont get why you think its acceptable for someone to come in and make a blanket statement with no justification. Activity may not equate to zero content but zero accountability may equates to scum. | ||
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On January 29 2014 22:50 Skanjab1s wrote: I was going to retort but I couldnt stop laughing at:+ Show Spoiler + On January 29 2014 22:19 Mocsta wrote: Explain why it doesnt make sense from a town perspective, and moreso why it is weak. I have a specific reason why Coag came into my mind. You instead randomly conjure him as a scumread -- one that I think is accurate as well. In my quote I actually argue your sentence actually applies to yourself. It's very obvious why this is weak. And it does not make sense from a town perspective because you say right here that you are suspicious of me because I started considering coag scum. not because I didn't give reasoning. It makes no sense for a townie to be suspicious of someone ONLY because they think the same person is scum, that's not logical. On January 29 2014 22:19 Mocsta wrote: I dont give a shit how Oats plays on OMGUS. He has a commonly accepted specific meta tell to his scum play and that is emotional investment. Again refer to PyP LoL, a game where Coag, oats and myself were all scum. oats was lynched BECAUSE of emotional investment. Wait what? This is a direct contradiction to what you just said before. You just said that "Some things that Oats have done you consider quite townie (I.e. emotionally invested in the game) And now you are saying that his emotional investment is a SCUMTELL? You've slipped, dear, the cracks are starting to show, you're contradicting yourself. On January 29 2014 22:19 Mocsta wrote: The most interesting thing I see here is the bolded, specifically: the scum team according to you is Coag, myself and now Oatsmaster. Please outline why Oatsmaster is scum as this is the first I have heard of it from you. How are Bum and Balla following similar paths in this game. You are cherry picking phrases to mix apples and oranges. If you need it paraphrased: I state that I can't get an updated read on Balla because hes ignoring me. If this continues into Day2 I will find it scummy he is avoiding me. Bum's activity level has dropped, according to you. Balla's activity level has dropped, according to you. I'm mixing apples with apples and you're trying to convince me that I'm wrong on my fruit. On January 29 2014 22:19 Mocsta wrote: The icing on the cake: Explain. An easy statement backed up by nothing. It is up to the person making the claim to provide evidence. You lied about Coag's meta. Now when I call you out on the lie (which is very obvious, because I (and kush) have played many more games with Coag than you have, and we both agree that your meta point is wrong) you tell me to provide evidence? (1) That's silly, and thats not how claims work. (2) Kush has already provided this evidence for you. Baby seals pls. Wait what? This is a direct contradiction to what you just said before. You just said that "Some things that Oats have done you consider quite townie (I.e. emotionally invested in the game) And now you are saying that his emotional investment is a SCUMTELL? You've slipped, dear, the cracks are starting to show, you're contradicting yourself. If you can not comprehend the intent of what I wrote, its not even worth continuing this discussion. Other than... Coags meta. (I am in the middle of a post about that) but lets play a game anyways. Pretend I lied about Coags meta. Again why is that scummy. Meta is subjective by nature. Am i voting Coag? Am i asking the thread to vote for Coag? Explain to me, what I am doing that is promoting a scum agenda... | ||
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On January 29 2014 22:59 Oatsmaster wrote: calling a townie scum is always promoting a scum agenda. So everyone that wanted QP lynched is scum.. or just promoting a scum agenda. because if its #1 or #2.. why am I being cherry picked Oats. | ||
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On January 29 2014 23:06 Oatsmaster wrote: Is it not true? This isnt about other people at all. Its an objective statement. React to it properly. No its not true. Its a completely stupid statement. The point of the game is for town to lynch scum. Part of that process is for people to call each other scum and figure out who is bullshit and who is genuine. How does that promote a scum agenda? | ||
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On January 29 2014 23:01 Skanjab1s wrote: Okay, so now Mocsta just makes an excuse to not defend himself because he knows he can't. GG Scum caught, champagne for everyone Sounds to me, you are making the excuse to not answer my question. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 29 2014 22:34 kushm4sta wrote: dude there is a fuck ton of trolling before the nuke http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436086&user=Coagulation Big calls Game Started: On November 30 2013 12:09 WaveofShadow wrote: Ban/Draft Phase But I believe he replaced in so I think started Dec 2. On December 10 2013 12:03 Mid or Feed wrote: Coagulation, as Impact, playing Ziggs, has been lynched! Coagulations last post within game time is his 2nd last post on PAGE 2 of his filter. In total, 38 posts over 9 days. So just over 4 posts per day average. Post per day Dec 2 - 1 Dec 3 - 1 Dec 4 - 2 Dec 5 - 5 Dec 6 - 0 Dec 7 - 8 Dec 8 - 13 Dec 9 - 2 Dec 10 - 6 Examples of posts he makes: On December 07 2013 12:09 Coagulation wrote: lol On December 07 2013 12:10 Coagulation wrote: bite me Occasionally if someone refers to him in the thread, he will make a troll post back in retaliation. Overall, his entire filter is devoid of enforcing any progress on the game at any point in time. Otherwise what I refer to as "doing nothing" or others may refer to as an extremely low activity level. At least as town he has a higher standard of base activity or what i refer to as "trolling" So how did other players in the game judge Coag? Im disappointed to say my memory served me wrong. I spent a long time lokoing through the filters of most of the players in the game ctrl+F and pretty much only found this: On December 04 2013 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah he replaced another unreadable troll. Lucky us. On December 04 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote: BM.. i see. Coag barely posts as town. Does he post as scum on OMGUS? On December 04 2013 12:24 VisceraEyes wrote: On average he posts around 10000% more on OMGUS games than TL games. He doesn't care about looking dumb over there, where he does here...I think is what it boils down to. Thats when I realised my concept of Coag meta was formed on voice mafia from all of us talking about Coag. Us referring to RAyn, DP, VE etc So there you go, I have no proof in the forum. I can safely say though that the gist was As town, Coag has minimum # of posts he makes to show he is reading the thread etc As scum, he struggles to post and does the absolute minimum which yes, is less than his town play. Anyways, for comparison to Kush i checked 1 town Coag game "The Game" was his last town game according to the database and finished DAY 3 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402057&user=Coagulation&view=all A Clearly different filter. Full of actual "paragraphs" and hit 5 pages.... Case closed and move on. | ||
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On January 29 2014 23:12 Oatsmaster wrote: because scum wins when townies get lynched. If you seriously want to continue this line of discussion, PM me. | ||
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On January 29 2014 23:19 Oatsmaster wrote: dude Im calling out your bullshit in the thread, I dont want to pm you, that defeats the purpose. You are talking about mafia theory. Its not a game specific question. Seriously.. matters of opinino on mafia theory do not make a player scum. Its personal preference regardless of alignment. Like i said, take it to PMs if you want to continue. Thats the last I will say on this in teh thread. | ||
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On January 30 2014 00:21 Oatsmaster wrote: \o/ Coag plays how he feels like Mocsta. Meta doesnt really work on him. Anyway, you really think he is scummier than Bum/Balla? bum is my sole priority there is one other who shall remain unnamed but i need to talk to bc first. i've been waiting up for him, but its looking like our paths wont cross hopefully when i wake up at least bum (or balla, others) have chimed in. | ||
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On January 30 2014 00:40 kushm4sta wrote: Ok why is bum scum? Did you already explain to the thread in full detail? Are you sheeting rayns case Beating the same drum won't change the sound. Bum has added nothing new to the information existing. I and others have already discussed what issues there are with the CURRENT information. | ||
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On January 30 2014 00:53 kushm4sta wrote: The case on m in bum is his activity sucks. Fuck off Kush. There is no stupid fucking case. And I havent asked a single person to vote him. There s more than activity, but right now - you dont need to know it. Right now, bum needs to post... All you are doing now is giving people like Bum and Balla a convenient reason *NOT* to post. /Good night. | ||
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On January 30 2014 00:58 kushm4sta wrote: The case in bum is that his activity sucks. That's all I keep hearing. Other shit like abandoning mayor, that is so weak. Get your ear wax removed then. | ||
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and: [01:35] <Mocsta> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440856¤tpage=17#327 [01:35] <Mocsta> "i'm just bringing the info i get forward" [01:35] <Mocsta> "its proibably too scummy to be scum or whatever" [01:35] <Mocsta> This is *erally* bad [01:35] <Mocsta> (1) hes boosting his contribtuion as pro-town [01:36] <Mocsta> (2) hes simulteanously discredtiing himself [01:36] <Mocsta> + & - = 0 = blend = scum ##Vote: Balla24 | ||
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On January 30 2014 10:37 kushm4sta wrote: [redacted] grack what you saw in that qt was also a FTFY Below are the + Show Spoiler [scum coaching] + Original Message From kushm4sta: you are going to want to argue the definition of "trolling." You want to point out that coag was inactive for long periods of that game. Original Message From Mocsta: Thanks for the hot tip. Original Message From kushm4sta: dw i won't discuss these in the thread because that would be a violation of coach/student confidentiality. Original Message From Mocsta: You realise you are over inflating small details right? Original Message From kushm4sta: in my scumread of you? i am looking at the reasons you think people are scum. those are not small details. Original Message From Mocsta: you are looking at snippets; and in regards to coag specifically are nitpicking word choices to suit what you want. This is fact given by the start of this PM exchange. "Define "trolling"" I have not built what I define as a case on anyone, yet. If you want to post that into the thread go ahead. What I have done is convey issues I have with people, and am awaiting responses. Similar to what you have been doing - hence no vote. Now you can react to the above however you want, IDC. What i want to know is Skanjab. Do you think he is genuine or leaping at an opportune moment? Original Message From kushm4sta: Im saying that you, as scum, need to start nitpicking word choices as a scumstrat to get out from under your reads that make no sense. Like you need to start nitpicking your own words so that you can misconstrue them as possibly townie. That's how I would play it if I were you anyway. Original Message From kushm4sta: OK now you say "oh whoops i misremembered lol. ok maybe coag is null" Original Message From Mocsta: Actually Im doing the PyP meta read.. its 400 pages give me abreak and return feedback on what i asked about skanjan. his filter is 3 pages lol I linked it in the thread. But anyway I thought up a great idea for you. You can say that it's not necessarily trolling that is the scumtell (you just wrote that because that's what he does mostly). Moreseo what you were talking about was his activity level. If it's town he will always maintain a base activity level, but as scum he takes advantage of his image sometimes and lets it drop to nothing. So it goes if he has no activity, he is scum. If he has activity, he is either scum or town. So that is a way you can explain your metaread of coag that looks more valid Original Message From Mocsta: You know its funny, thas actually a much more succinct phrasing of what my understanding of his meta is. See, this is why i said you were nitpicking me before. I used the words: trolling as town; does nothign as scum. To me, what you wrote below is the same thing, just written technically correct. Thanks Kush  What i dont get is.. if you knew this is what i meant all along, why try and chastise me? Original Message From kushm4sta: Go ahead use it. Coach/student confidentiality so you're safe and I'll pretend like you came up with it. Original Message From Mocsta: Already did actually but in all seriousness did you know what i meant the whole time? If so, whats your problem. Original Message from kushm4sta: shh no more tears. we both know you're scum. don't fight it. Original Message From Mocsta: why are you avoiding what im writing? Original Message From kushm4sta: If you need any more help with the revision of your coag read, feel free to PM me. Original Message From Mocsta: so u think coag is town? Original Message From kushm4sta: Fuck no. I think he's null leaning scum. You could very easily be busing him Original Message From Mocsta: I have been after coag since night 1 BEFORE skanjab talked about him i have logs to prove it.. i havent raised it, because its not necessary explain why i would be bussing him night 1 Original Message From kushm4sta: He's the perfect scum to bus actually. Original Message From Mocsta: Do you want me to acknowledge the troll or just repeat how bad you are. You know you do this to me every game now right? Original Message From kushm4sta: Hmmm? Coag could be town or you could be busing him. I'm not sure which yet. I think it's totally normal for Scum to start sowing the seeds for a coag bus d1 | ||
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On January 30 2014 10:42 Grackaroni wrote: What kind of a joke is that? You freaked out at slam and then deleted the post, which you aren't even supposed to do in this game. Agreed LSB I request a modkill on Kush for deleting posts in a QT  | ||
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On January 26 2014 16:12 kushm4sta wrote: i agree that balla is scummy, but I dont want to say why yet. Hi Kush, was this ever fleshed out in PMs? Cso i couldnt find it detailed in your filter. | ||
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On January 30 2014 10:51 kushm4sta wrote: that was way early game. I have thought balla was scummy through the entirety of the game though. If you want me to write a case on someone who has already flipped then you're out of luck. I just fund that extremely hypocritical for the recorduse the web client for irc Not left. Will log u into quake net Channel is Tlmafia | ||
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On January 30 2014 16:33 Oatsmaster wrote: So is bum still scum guys? I dont think so. What changed? | ||
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On January 30 2014 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Does anyone wanna kill Mocsta? Just for fun? I can make it happen. It hurts to pick skabs ! | ||
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On January 30 2014 20:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm afraid I cannot trust you with such a burden Skanjabs for unfortunately I am bound by evil laws. I'm safe Rayn. Don't call the popo. | ||
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On January 30 2014 22:11 Oatsmaster wrote: in fact, how come you are so sure? how come you are so sure? | ||
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This is an intention to lynch. You have not contributed any new thoughts in 72hours. | ||
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Tny.crazy/f33f03f6 Password: bumisscum | ||
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Password; bumisscum Sorry for the spam. Should work now | ||
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On January 31 2014 18:38 Skanjab1s wrote: Balla and bum can't be scum together, does nobody listen to kush? Also, does anyone else want to talk to me? Now that kush is dead I'm all alone, surrounded by betrayers and lurkerscum. Quote of the day........ Keep +1'n Kush please. | ||
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On January 31 2014 18:58 Skanjab1s wrote: I don't even know what that means, but you're scum, so I don't expect you to make sense Skab Did you read the bum log. | ||
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On February 01 2014 05:46 LSB wrote: Please submit night actions in 25 hours Mafia KP is: 1 I assume deadline is in 20min? For the important ppl, my reads haven't changed. Bum is still doing nothing ! I'm gonna be out between now and the next 8hrs.. (sigh) PM me if its urgent. | ||
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On February 02 2014 17:57 Skanjab1s wrote: Vote *me* you morons. FTFY | ||
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On February 02 2014 18:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: why is that? Very simple On February 02 2014 17:57 Skanjab1s wrote: Bum isn't scum you morons. Its irrefutable afterall. | ||
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rayn, these logs you are talking about are they My bum logs? | ||
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I'm gonna give you 12 hrs to tell me why I shouldnt hammer you. i.e. Why is thrawn scum? Who is the 2nd second, and why? | ||
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Did you read my Bum logs.... | ||
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What is the difference between Coag an Bum activity wise? As far as I am concerned, neither did a single thing to move the thread forward towards ANYTHING. Yet, here you are espousing the words of a dead Kush to push your agenda. Again, did you read the Bum logs? Are you aware if Bum has been online since my ultimatum post to him? | ||
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On February 03 2014 08:03 Grackaroni wrote: Posting balla logs would be helpful. I can't, at this point in time. Lol... so theres a piece of information which ties perfectly into my case points on Bum and you don't read it before trying to kick up a stink in the thread. Grack, lets play along with your theory. I am scum.. OK. I flip red. You are a town hero. Now. Who am I working with? | ||
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On February 03 2014 08:14 Grackaroni wrote: I assume it's just a continuation of Rayn's case where Bumatlarge says a whole lot of nothing in IRC while talking to you? You lost me at I am a town hero. Read it n find out. Who am i buddies with Hackeroni? | ||
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On Februa 03 2014 08:19 Grackaroni wrote: I definitely don't think both Bum/Oatsmaster would be killing Kushm4sta for no reason. Too many other people that they're afraid of in a circle together. If kush claimed to Ryan Its plausible he claimed to someone in the omgus alliance. As for the circle. Bh was shot twice. Looks to me like the circle is being actively disrupted. | ||
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On February 03 2014 08:39 Grackaroni wrote: Well BH was obv town. As are others. I like it how you assume one solution to skinning the cat is gospel and give us no reasons on why the others are void. Let me k ow when you read the bum logs. Until then, this conversation is pointless | ||
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On February 03 2014 11:02 Grackaroni wrote: Also I read the bum logs and they were exactly what I expected. Noted | ||
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On February 03 2014 13:58 bumatlarge wrote: I like how people keep trying I catch me lying. I guess VE never really died. I'm actually trying to catch you tell the truth. Btw. Were you in pm dialogue with hack before he claimed hatter? | ||
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On February 03 2014 14:12 Alakaslam wrote: well if grack is hatter this may actually have been very pro town play but if so that is a lot of town kp .... What's the Spock thing mean then? | ||
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On February 03 2014 16:14 bumatlarge wrote: Cool, I've just been on my phone. IRC is a pain when people like mocsta immediately demand you start talking to them. I have yet to log on there when mocsta is not on. He's like coming home to someone you should have divorced years ago. Tell the tutruth U keep coming back cos IMA good fuck | ||
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On February 04 2014 09:58 bumatlarge wrote: I think you know! I'm still not sure... Let me ask what grack thinks about it. K Please post seals | ||
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On February 04 2014 10:01 bumatlarge wrote: I can invite one person to my secret club. Thrawn is almost invited. Mocsta, why should I invite you? Because.... I'm ya scum.buddy and we should be able to chat freely Who was my former? | ||
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On February 04 2014 17:42 Oatsmaster wrote: no fuck you, 1 person already played against his wincon. And either way, you are playing against your wincon. I will not let you destroy this game Cast thy vote ser master of oats and lay down thy line in thy sand | ||
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On February 04 2014 17:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Then you can tell those idiots to unvote me. So given an opening you instantly change from kill me to unvote me. Yes town and scum both want survival, but rage quit town at least need a breather before continuing to post. Well played game Ryan. But caught you are. | ||
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On February 04 2014 17:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Mocsta why did you claim being roleblocked when you werent? ??? I dont follow. | ||
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On February 04 2014 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote: why did you fakeclaim I still don't follow. I'm also heading home. Be back in a few hours. | ||
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Lynch bum at all costs. Further LSB msg above infers that BG should not receive a role block. Ryan speculated about blue roles and the only plausible explanation I can think if was that he tried to set up a trap. It back fired. Seriously. Why as scum would *I* Rb a BG and not shoot the mayor when you call Rb yaself as scum. And icon in the cake is to then claim the Rb yaself to be put into this situation. Easy. I wouldn't. Its stupid. Pointless and doesn't fit towards meeting scum objectives. I repeat. I am not scum and neither is thrawn. Lynch bum at all costs. | ||
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Again. Why Rb Ryan and shoot skanjab? Why claim that Rb when I Ryan could have. What you mentioned is one explanation for skanjab death. There are others that are plausible perhaps even more so. Met. He could have been shot to make bum look good. This game is on the brink. Bum needs to be pushed Have you forgotten my logs with him. Have you forgotten how he tried to get me lynched day1 by whispering to you. He's hammered what 4 Ppl with no justification How do you even ignore this.I'm town. Thrawn is tien. Bum is scum | ||
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Working off a medic snipe, scum would have Rb kush instead of me.... This alone should make me town. Who has read me scum that flipped. Only kush who was a game changing medic. Skanjab was a portal to kush. And Ryan called me town last night changing his mind after hammered for no reason what so ever. He clearly stopped caring about this game. Nothing has lined up. You are choosing specific explanations to suit what you want to believe when other explanations exist Fact is, I have been mislynchable all game in no small part due to bum. Its not a surprise I have been kept alive. That you at here to push me, clearly explains why skanjab was shot over you. Aside from this bullshit Ryan Rb claim there was no reason to doubt me. And there is still none. | ||
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You have a responsibility as confirmed town to treat all evidence without bias. Again. You are wanting me lynched for what amounts to be "sloppy play"; yet given you felt I was town till now, its easily arguable as scum I had been far from sloppy. Bum is right under your nose and you want to give him a free pass. I don't accept this. Further i claimed my Rb instantly. Its not my fault you were not here - for hours might i add. Your favorite thrawn should be able to vouch for this. Lastly, you seem to forget that slam claimed Rb. So no. It hasn't been just me | ||
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On February 05 2014 08:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Im totally not sorry about that rayn lynch. Mocsta, can you explain why townrayn fakes a roleblock? Ryan has been running fake ploys all game. Claimed fake cop to kush Tried to do that fake qt with you n thrawn These are the main ones I am aware of. And I know that we was growing suspicious of the blue claims. Its highly likely this was a new ploy but because he was away for so long. Got too pissed off when he was voted to explain himself. | ||
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On February 05 2014 09:05 Oatsmaster wrote: I want to lynch you because 1. There is only 1 Roleblocker. 2. Town claimed a Roleblock. I logged onto a comp just for you Regarding the above, under normal circumstances I completely accept that. However, this is not a normal circumstance. It is currently 4-2, and potentially after the NKs 3-2 = MYLO I know lynching me will lose the game -- obviously given the above I can also accept others are struggling to realise this. ===== Where do we go? Well, *IF* i am scum, I have a buddy right. I am telling you that this buddy is bum. Why wouldnt you lynch him over me? ====== Regarding Rayn, this is a transcript directly after the grack hammer (and in the waiting interval for the flip) [11:06] <Mocsta> miss you [12:11] <Mocsta> welcome back [12:11] <raynpelikoneet> owrst lynch ever [12:12] <Mocsta> because you werent here [12:12] <raynpelikoneet> but it does not matter [12:12] <Mocsta> ? [12:12] <raynpelikoneet> one blue is mafia [12:12] <raynpelikoneet> i know it [12:12] <raynpelikoneet> so now i need to find it Next cycle we get a dual RB claim..... yes, I am telling you that this was a ploy from Rayn. =================== When I spoke to Rayn yesterday we get this: [16:29] <raynpelikoneet> why there are 2 people voting for me? [16:30] <raynpelikoneet> in a game where if +1 vote gets on me the scum bumatlarge will obviously insta jhammer me and buy himself another day? [16:30] <Mocsta> rb claims [16:30] <Mocsta> is what it comes down to [16:31] <raynpelikoneet> WHAT? [16:31] <raynpelikoneet> what fucking br claims? [16:31] <raynpelikoneet> rb* [16:32] <raynpelikoneet> okay [16:32] <raynpelikoneet> i'll self-vote [16:32] <raynpelikoneet> so bum can hammer me [16:32] <raynpelikoneet> this is so fucking stuopid [16:32] <raynpelikoneet> and you guys are so fucking stupid if you are toqwn [16:32] <raynpelikoneet> thank you for playing [16:32] <raynpelikoneet> if you can't löynch mafia then you can just as well lynch me [16:32] <raynpelikoneet> i got a game with real players going on.. This sums up Rayns apathy yesterday. He made his ploy to catch up probably expecting me to be shot. It backfired but his carefactor was zero because Vengeful started and he decided to prioritise that game over this one. Fact is, when he quoted this convo above yesterday, he conveniently left out his last line. Which to me says it all. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440856¤tpage=120#2390 | ||
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You gotta wonder to yadelf what it means if you kept alive BC be cause so far you have been scuums secret weapon. Proven now once again. | ||
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Look. Like I said. I have a buddy. Its scum. Lynch him and then me. I have put too much time into this game to lose just because Ryan got bored. | ||
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I have a buddy. Its bum. Lynch him and not me | ||
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On February 05 2014 10:08 Oatsmaster wrote: get on IRC. Do you see how it seems from my perspective? Of course I can see it. However factually if you think I am scum I have a buddy. Lynching me loses the game whether you want to accept it or not. If you indeed think its not above Ryan to fake claim and thus think i an scum... The correct play is to lynch my buddy I'm not sure if BC has led a lynch in scum this game. He's leading another mislynch. Scum have zero reason to shoot him Again. Why Rb rayn and not shoot BC... Its stupid. Think this through guys... | ||
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If I could paste host PM i would show u my Rb pm with timestamp | ||
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On February 04 2014 07:00 LSB wrote: Day 5 Prince Skanjab1s the Town Mason has died Followed by: From: LSB [ 4417 posts | Profile | Buddy | Report ] Subject: Night Action Date: 2/4/14 07:02 You have been roleblocked! No check was returned | ||
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On February 05 2014 11:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Hahahahahaha good try mocsta, that was almost perfectly faked. Ooo so close. ?? U don't like it that I am confirmed town now. | ||
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Its 3v2 And 1 town vote on me means 2 scum can hammer and its gg Don't fucking do it. | ||
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Its direct from LSB So get lost | ||
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On February 05 2014 12:54 Oatsmaster wrote: its literally not direct from LSB, rayn quoted his rb check and it was phrased differently. get shit on scum. Well two things I'm cop you idiot. Two. I am not lying in any instance when I say that LSB sent me that. If what you say is true LSB has host gaffed. Seriously. | ||
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On February 05 2014 13:32 Mocsta wrote: Thrawn. I'm disappointed in you Http://tny.cz/c3768f3e That's my response Resume stands and I be laughing at you. | ||
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That's the best u gonna get scum | ||
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I can be Rb and submit myself U successfully trapped rayn. Not me | ||
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Guys, the plan #1 DO NOT INSTA-HAMMER MOCSTA 3-2 MYLO: with 2 scum alive, only 1 town vote is needed to end the game. #2 INSTA-HAMMER BUMATLARGE why? On January 29 2014 06:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is why bumatlarge is mafia: + Show Spoiler + This is literally everything he has done in this game: - Made a mayor campaign, but shared no reads at all. - Suddenly uncampaigned and voted for BC. Okay, what were his reasons: - demotivated (bla bla) - Agreed with BC's reads and they shared smae reads/lynch targets. Let's look at the only real reason: I asked bumatlarge what were these lynch targets they agreed on with BC. He told me Mocsta and GGTeMpLaR. I asked him to prove it with logs or PM's, because there is nothing about it in thread. He says he has no logs from irc because of some reason. BC refuses to give me those logs. Anyways, this is what was discussed on Mocsta and GGTeMpLaR: Original Message From bumatlarge: Yeah pretty much, i dont have the IRC logs. I've spoken with him since then. It is possible is was trolling as town, but I didn't like it. Okay so bumatlarge's reasoning for suspecting Mocsta is "he did fake someone to me in irc". SERIOUSLY WTF?!?! That's the stupidest reason ever. Reasons to suspect GGTeMpLaR; "It was discussed in thread". NO IT WAS NOT! YOU NEVER DISCUSSED ANYTHING IN THREAD! One more thing, look at why and how bumatlarge votes for BC for mayor. His reasons are "he shares a scumread on GG and Mocsta and wants to lynch them". That's not correct, BEFORE bum votes for BC, BC has said he will lynch Blazinghand and the only other person he considers is Storrzerg. bumatlarge's story does not add up. Here are the posts BC lays out his reads the last time before bum votes for him and bum's vote: On January 28 2014 02:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK heres how things stand. I have suitably been given enough Information via thread and irc to consolidate my read for the day. IF elected, barring any shenanigans between now and the deadline, I will lynch BH. The reasons for this are simple. First off he "shared" Alakaslams role for no reason to VE. He has been unable to justify this to anyone I have talked to or to myself. Its day 1, and its fucked up that he would do it as town. Secondly. He said he was planning on going out of his way to find a suitable candidate for the day and push them as he didn't want to be elected. He has then with "prodding" decided he was going to actually run. However this was over a day between these posts and he never at any point recommended anyone vote for one of the other candidates. His scum read of VE is incredibly weird. He apparently trolled VE which got VE understandably confused. Then based on irc/in thread BH thinks VE is scum primarily in regards to a case Mocsta made. But never provided a new point of his own. He never clarified why he believes one of mocsta and VE has to be scum and the other town and how he made that differation. Also his entire play has changed from the last 3 games hes played. In LXIII he was a third party assassin. In the first version of this game he was a town mason. In both those games he played a clearly distinct style. He is now showing a third style of play this game. Given he went third party, town, and now we have a third play style I am suspecting its scum. The only other person I am currently considering as a suspect is storrzerg. His interactions with me were incredibly weird, and i know the general opinion of him from those he has played with before is that hes scum. I also know hes been far more active in pms than the thread thats fishy as fuck. On January 28 2014 02:50 bumatlarge wrote: ##Vote BC See the timestamps. Right![ + #3 The town resume
#4 For the balla doubters: http://tny.cz/455c051d - Balla PMs Led to: On January 26 2014 14:32 Balla24 wrote: I'm just bringing the info I get forward... it's probably too scummy to be scum or whatever but i'll let people make their own opinions. It's pretty clear why it's scummy though: 1. You're asking for blue claims. 2. You aren't confirmed town. There's absolutely no reason for you to be asking that for your reasons, but if you want that then you may as well just ask everybody to mass claim since the claims will probably make it to the thread eventually anyways. On January 30 2014 03:03 Mocsta wrote: [01:35] <Mocsta> "i'm just bringing the info i get forward" [01:35] <Mocsta> "its proibably too scummy to be scum or whatever" [01:35] <Mocsta> This is *erally* bad [01:35] <Mocsta> (1) hes boosting his contribtuion as pro-town [01:36] <Mocsta> (2) hes simulteanously discredtiing himself [01:36] <Mocsta> + & - = 0 = blend = scum ##Vote: Balla24 TL;DR Dont vote Mocsta. He is town. | ||
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On February 05 2014 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote: nah. Yeah Thrawn. Mocsta is fully town brah BC. Tbh, mocsta town Slam. I'm not putting my bombs on modesta Bum. Mocsta is not a villain at large Oats. Mocsta is town So yeah | ||
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Confirmed guys.. I'm freaking confirmed | ||
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If u have a bomb on bum I can vote ya. | ||
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On February 06 2014 11:46 Mocsta wrote: Get your damn votes off me | ||
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Should a hammered me | ||
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I was never the cop OK I'm the vig BC covered for me to protect me. He tried to pin me as scum to see who would jump Clearly bum n oats are scum. ##vote: bum | ||
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On February 08 2014 15:12 Balla24 wrote: That's not the point though. The seal is game breaking. Even if it's "just the nail in the coffin" it's HUGELY game breaking. I agree with Balla24. Though the seal was the first I have heard of it; its akin to Grush57 and "STARSENSES" Basically, every game he was town he would post starsenses. Obviously if he wanted to, he could deviate and use it as scum to win a game (because nobody would lynch him) but then the entire legacy of starsenses would die. Not worth the amount of games required to seed, to just throw away. | ||
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On February 08 2014 15:42 LSB wrote: Slams Boms Night 1 - Dead People, bombs returned Night 2 - Roleblocked Night 3+ - Bum/Thrawn, and then the final night Bum/Oats Thats interesting. Most games with Hatter that I have experienced have the bombs on dead people not refunded. | ||
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Good decision Thrawn. From my perspective I was surprised we got there regardless. The day of the Grack lynch, I was expecting to have to bus bum -- but somehow the gods aligned The Rayn RB was a total goof and though we didnt deserve to win the game, that was a pivotal moment where the game was still wide open. | ||
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On February 08 2014 15:08 Balla24 wrote: Thanks Balla24.Oh also thanks to mocsta!! + Show Spoiler + This guy was one of the sole reasons I even still felt motivated to post on late day1 and day2. Those days mafia communication were at an all time low. I probably had like... 60%-70% of the entire QT posts at that point. Mocsta kept PMing me to keep at it, even though I felt totally alone vs like 15 people and we had some good chats about mafia theory and stuff. Guy is very cool and love to play with him. As a side note: this scum activity was kinda the norm. In fact I think I have only played on one fully active scum team before in about 8 games. Not that I have much bearing on suggesting how to win as scum, considering that we lost; however, you just need to do the minimum to survive. I do not refer to activity. I refer to convincing town you are town so that in LYLO; thrawn chooses you over oats. Oats approach in LYLO could have easily made him scum (which even thrawn noted post-game), but you can't undo the 100hrs of gametime pre-LYLO either. | ||
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I thought I would have a big spiel on this game but now that its over everything else feels meaningless. On one hand I am excited the decision got to LYLO, but on the other hand, it wasn't meant to get their either. My takeaway from this game is purely from the first 24hrs. Its scummy to be active in PMs and not the thread; which is what i was called out for by BC. *AT THE TIME* I thought I was active in PMs because I was busy; but in hindsight, I was in PMs because it was easier to establish relationships without scrutiny. This is a takeaway because its ridiculously easy to fake townie distrust in PMs which I believe led to many reading me as town. i.e. I forced people to put themselves in a position to tell me why *THEY* are town, and not vice-versa. BC said it perfectly in our first chat -- which unfortunately was not saved by me: Look for consistency between what I tell you in PMs and what I do in the thread to know if I am town or scum. | ||
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On February 08 2014 19:53 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont understand why you guys even roleblocked at all since you thought rayn was green. read the qt.. bum was a constant foil lol like every cycle we literally bumbled and bumbled. Bum: Hey mocsta, you should claim RB Mocsta: Hey Rayn, Im supa town I was RB'd then in qt, check my reaction when I realise what just happened lol.... | ||
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On February 08 2014 22:38 Oatsmaster wrote: no, like why did you roleblock a green? Ask bum... | ||
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