EPTTL Mafia LXIV: The Restart
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On January 24 2014 14:48 Mocsta wrote: If I play, it would be purely to troll the fuck outta Balla24 LOL WHY | ||
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##vote Balla24 My people. I am Duke Ballington, ready to purge the city walls of the scum. You will vote me for mayor of this city or you are probably scum. Thank you. P.S. I'm mason with BlazingHand, just gonna get that out of the way before he gets me modkilled. | ||
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On January 26 2014 07:42 Alakaslam wrote: For all your info, Wile E. Coyote will be my buddy- a newbie. He will be in later. LSB knows. Don't you know his account info though?..... | ||
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On January 26 2014 08:41 Tehpoofter wrote: Balla posted something that was less than a paragraph from my experience playing with her she almost always has longer posts as town. Have to throw that in the scummy category. not this again -_- | ||
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Well for the actual content, yes you are definitely wrong and are remembering VERY badly, i recommend going back to the game and re-reading it. But i'm talking about calling me female. | ||
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On January 26 2014 10:34 bumatlarge wrote: I think thats player specific. Marv is easier to read, if their is a good player that is easy to read in this game, I would make an exception. It's more difficult for mafia to jump into a race mid way. The more a player is pressured and forced to talk, the more I can get a read on them. Pretty sure any mayor candidate will be pressured regardless of whether or not they announce now or tomorrow. Just seems a bit unfair to people who aren't here yet and possibly live in different timezones. Basically, if we aren't pressuring our mayor candidates then we are doing something wrong. I don't think the time when they announce matters much though. | ||
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On January 26 2014 10:44 kushm4sta wrote: balla the only thing worse than bum's retarded plan is how you keep discussing it better than you generically calling people out every couple posts.... | ||
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On January 26 2014 10:48 kushm4sta wrote: i disagree. your objections to the plan are obvious and no one indicated that they wanted to do the plan anyway. On the other hand I'm trying to get responses from people who have entered the thread in anti-town ways. Why did nobody say it then? You trying to get responses from people is not helpful since you do it in an antagonizing way and don't provide anything else. What you should be doing is... "Balla, why are you doing this? It's pointless... you should be doing this: _____" or "Let's discuss this because whatever we are doing now is unhelpful, and discussing this will help us do X and Y" You're just being very rude and annoying. | ||
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On January 26 2014 11:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Ok I think Kush and Balla24 might be two town fighting so I'm going to vote myself for mayor ##Vote: GGTeMpLaR Why does that read = voting yourself as mayor or was it two disjointed thoughts? | ||
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Original Message From GGTeMpLaR: i'll run for it but I won't try super hard to get it are u really vanilla mason or a role? Role-fishing this early is pretty weird. I don't see how that's useful at all to him at this point, nor do I see how he expected anybody to actually answer him without anything have happened yet. | ||
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So seriously though, your explanation to me wasn't really that solid... "worth a try", why do you care? I expect you to know better. | ||
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It's pretty clear why it's scummy though: 1. You're asking for blue claims. 2. You aren't confirmed town. There's absolutely no reason for you to be asking that for your reasons, but if you want that then you may as well just ask everybody to mass claim since the claims will probably make it to the thread eventually anyways. | ||
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On January 26 2014 16:12 bumatlarge wrote: Logical leaps in PM land. I said I want to see alot of voting to help my assessment of people, and he asked if I was going to lynch one of the people running. That was a big assumption, but I could be wrong. He seems paranoid about his well-being. I don't understand why he would jump to that when I haven't said anything about him at that point. You said you wanted to put a lot of stock into who votes for who. My first thought is: - He wants to deduce relationships between people. So I then think, well relationships are useless between unflipped players, so he must be planning on lynching a mayoral candidate (someone who was garnering votes) to be able to see if there might be scum-scum votes or the like. I don't see how that's a strange thing to think about, so I asked you. | ||
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On January 26 2014 16:22 bumatlarge wrote: Well you are one of three other people running besies myself, and when I tell you I'm going to look at the votes, you jump to that. It seems a little self interested, when I never said anything about that. Wasn't at all my thought. See above for my thought process. | ||
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On January 26 2014 16:34 bumatlarge wrote: I suppose? But it would work in the opposite direction, a voter woul probably tell me more about the candidate then the candidate about the voter. Just a different line of thinking I guess. Both are fine, obviously who you lynch should be decided by who is scummy first and foremost. But information wise, the candidate flipping would possibly show motive for multiple voters, whereas a voter flipping tells only about his candidate. I would not put that much stock in the mayoral voting when deciding who to lynch, though, because lynching for information is bad. | ||
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1. I'm probably the one with the most knowledge about the most players. I know the quantumpope/ggtemplar/storrzerg/tehpoofter players where probably nobody else really does. Then I've been active on this forum for long enough to know the vets and the trolls. This gives me the best chance of feeling something is off with everybody compared to a mayor who doesn't know half the town. For example, atm ggtemplar is deviating from his scum games a little bit, he seems more relaxed: + Show Spoiler + On January 26 2014 07:29 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I counterclaim your [g]Mason[/g] claim. And [r]Storrzerg[/r] is probably mafia. On January 26 2014 07:29 GGTeMpLaR wrote: ok I look dumb now but you should still make me the mayor On January 26 2014 08:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Balla24 is probably town. I like the way he came into the thread fearless like a tiger pushing a clear agenda. Compared to opening posts in really small: + Show Spoiler + On January 10 2014 04:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Holyflare is my scumtell right now because he presumes to act like a confirmed town without having actually made any contributions to town himself. He just keeps asking for others to find clues for him. Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes. On January 10 2014 05:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote: The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me. The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content. + Show Spoiler + /mysterymachine Whereas storrzerg seems less assertive than usual and less willing to put himself out there, which is strange. Also lurking, which town storr barely ever did. + Show Spoiler + http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102 On October 30 2013 09:46 StorrZerg wrote: On October 30 2013 13:54 StorrZerg wrote: i really hate people who look for "concrete" reasons to lynch someone, specially day 1.... we want to lynch mafia sure, but a "concrete" reason would imo be, a cop claiming his checks at night, then dieing that night. i think this is a pretty consistent thing regarding the median of mafia. personally i'm a bit sad so many people are going after cakeman since i wanted to pressure him more. I can pick up on these things without actually going and searching for games since I've played with a good majority of the thread. 2. I'm active in PM land. So I can get answers and find out how people are acting in PM land, whereas some people aren't as active there. Or if they are, then they are sacrificing thread presence. Please PM me if you want to have a conversation!!!!! I'm on IRC and will respond on TL too. 3. I'll find scum, and be very open with the thread so that the players who can't be as active in PM land will know what their mayor is thinking. Right now, i'd lynch: Alakaslam Skanjab1s StorrZerg Alakslam opened like he wanted to play. Kush pointed out that he did this in Extractor Mafia and since then slam has gone straight back to non-sensical thread clogging. That's sketchy, but some people have expressed their disagreement about this read. Skanjab1s is because he already contradicted himself within the first couple posts of the thread by saying he'd lynch QP but then agreeing with kush that BC's attack on QP was bad. StorrZerg because he's not "generally active" like he said he would be, and it's already a change from his town game like I pointed out above. 4. I'm Balla, I know I got a bad repatation. Walking 'round, always mad repatation. ##VOTE for me for mayor! | ||
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On January 27 2014 05:24 Blazinghand wrote: I swapped the two things you're comparing in this sentence and it still makes sense, meanign that this is a non-sentence no, not really, what kind of biases do you think i have? or ggtemplar? | ||
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On January 28 2014 03:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Tehpoofter could very well be mafia but knowing him from video mafia, he has way more fun playing as mafia than town so for now I'm willing to bet he's bored b/c he rolled town and if he rolled mafia he'd be having a lot of fun in the thread. Uhh... when he was scum in my game he afk'ed a LOT. Don't think this is valid. | ||
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##vote BloodyC0bbler | ||
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##vote raynpelikoneet | ||
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you basically have d1 mayor power right now GGtemplar | ||
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On January 29 2014 19:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Balla the mafia dude: Here is what happened at the start of the game (in chronological order): 1) GGTeMpLaR makes his opening posts (not important what). 2) GGTeMpLaR asks people in PM's if they are a role or not. 3) Balla finds this weird and puts it in thread "for all the people to see what they think about it" 4) Balla literally says "bluehunting = scummy" when noone comment on the matter in saying it's scummy 5) Balla talks about everything else but not about the bluehunting 5) Balla makes his mayoral campaign, where he says GGTeMpLaR's posting has been "relaxed and townie" and quotes some posts. Why is this scummy? First of all the bluehunting thing. Balla does not even think that's necessarily scummy (as can be seen from his logs with thrawn) but he wants to put that thing in thread anyways. Basic scum strategy; "let's call some weird stuff out and see if anyone takes a bait and voilá, we have townies arguing over something stupid". This happened in last game with me/marv/BH (his mason claim) and Balla very well knows that. Also no, bluefishing is not necessarily scummy, at least if done in manner GGTeMpLaR did it.. When noone takes the bait he calls bluefishing scummy himself. Still noone takes the bait, so Balla goes on talking about other stuff. If he thinks it's scummy why does he not push the matter further? Because he does not really think it's scummy but just wants to talk about something stupid instead of scumhunting. In the end, he makes his mayor campaign. He calls GGTeMpLaR town. For stuff that happened before the whole bluefishing thing. So Balla had a townread on GGTeMpLaR before all that. But GGTeMpLaR was scummy because of bluefishing. Where did that go? Did he just forget it because noone agreed with him? If he thought that was fishy why is it not in his reads post where he thinks he should be mayor? Again, because he did not think it's scummy in the first place! Also look at his mayor campaign (my notes in italic): 1) I'm probably the one with the most knowledge about the most players. I know the quantumpope/ggtemplar/storrzerg/tehpoofter players where probably nobody else really does. has he ever given any informative reads on these people? No. 2) I'm active in PM land. So I can get answers and find out how people are acting in PM land, whereas some people aren't as active there. Is he? Has any of this Balla's huge activity translated into thread? No. 3) I'll find scum, and be very open with the thread so that the players who can't be as active in PM land will know what their mayor is thinking. After his mayor post, has he posted a single read in thread? No. These are the closest things to "reads" he has given since then: At the deadline.. wow.. such reads.. very mafia. First off, I explained why I put the rolefishing thing in thread. People can make their own opinions on whether or not it's scummy. Secondly, I did the GGTemplar meta stuff on why I think he's town AFTER the rolefishing thing, I didn't look into it beforehand. Secondly, my campaign died pretty fast and so did my interest in the game. People stopped PM'ing me, I'm not being included in any circles and frankly i'm bored as hell because of it. I DID provide reads on these people even IN THAT POST, and to BloodyCobbler and Mocsta and probably thrawn too cause I was talking to him A LOT back then. I was way fucking wrong on them. I WAS active in PMs until after that post. Since then I've had maybe 2-3 PM conversations -_-. So fuck me. Yeah my reads were shit and probably still are shit. We should probably kill Oats, Mocsta or Kush I don't like any of them, and Oats asked me a weird question in PM... bum is probably town, he's playing exactly like last game. Original Message From Oatsmaster: because if you arent active, we cant win. Like we almost won but COME ON MAN DONT GET LYNCHED TODAY> It's like a really weird town read of me... and "we almost won??", we didn't almost win wtf.. we're in a terrible position... seems so fake. | ||
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On January 30 2014 02:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Can you explain the bum read further balla? How is he playing 'exactly' like last game? The only thing he's not doing is having a shitshow with VE. VE/Bum were just posting large cases on each other over and over and over. Eh, now that I really look he's not really... yeah maybe mafia here. I remembered his activity level being much similar but he's much less active here and is not giving near as many reads and pressuring people. | ||
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It was probably the previous iteration of this game, filter here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=438132&user=bumatlarge Still that game was a shitshow and it still isn't even very similar so i'd like to retract my memory ^_^ | ||
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On January 30 2014 02:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Yes that's why I even included it in the first place. My memory is usually pretty good so I trust it. But clearly everything I do in this game I should just do the opposite.Dont you care about the game? Did you know that bum is currently the leading candidate for the lynch before you made your post? Why didnt you address your town read of someone that is gonna get lynched if the day ends now? | ||
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Mocsta (2): bumatlarge, Oatsmaster Bumatlarge (1): Mocsta Not Voting: Alakaslam, thrawn2112 With 5 players remaining (and no Mayor), 3 votes are required to lynch. Please PM if there are any errors | ||
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bumatlarge(1): Oatsmaster Not Voting: bumatlarge, Thrawn2112 With 3 players remaining, 2 votes are required to lynch. Please PM if there are any errors | ||
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Finally! Well played thrawn. I was worried for you with how oats was playing in LYLO. But I was pretty confident that there was a lot of stuff that I was missing with the relationship between you and Oats so it wouldn't make you hammer him. Nice try bum T_T. | ||
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Now I can finally use meta from here in other games! | ||
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On February 08 2014 14:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Man i dunno what I did wrong in lylo.... I PLAYED PERFECTLY@!! I mean, clearly you did! Basically what I'm saying is if I were to discount anything else that happened in this game and I was in thrawn's confirmed town position, I would have hammered you over bum. Obviously I can't see what's going on in pms too but from what I could see. The main thing is though, that based on the rest of the thread, you were clearly town in LYLO. You were playing exactly like you always were, you trusted thrawn from beforehand and therefore it made sense for you to vote bum so fast, etc. etc. | ||
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Coag's seal is a totally 100% game-breaking mechanic and should not be allowed. It lets down his teammates and is totally UN-FUN to play with because you just know his alignment without any doubt. I'm sure it was funny the first couple times (hell I laughed like crazy when I saw it for the first time in extractor trick) before people understood it. But when half the town knows that if coag is not posting his seal it's because he's mafia, that shit is game breaking. If I were hosting a game, I WOULD say that coag cannot post it and make that a public thing. | ||
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This guy was one of the sole reasons I even still felt motivated to post on late day1 and day2. Those days mafia communication were at an all time low. I probably had like... 60%-70% of the entire QT posts at that point. Mocsta kept PMing me to keep at it, even though I felt totally alone vs like 15 people and we had some good chats about mafia theory and stuff. Guy is very cool and love to play with him. | ||
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On February 08 2014 15:08 Oatsmaster wrote: nah not really. Coag not playing got him lynched, not that he refused to post his seal. that was like the nail in the coffin. That's not the point though. The seal is game breaking. Even if it's "just the nail in the coffin" it's HUGELY game breaking. | ||
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