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Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 26 2014 02:25 GMT
#281
On January 26 2014 11:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Ok I think Kush and Balla24 might be two town fighting so I'm going to vote myself for mayor

##Vote: GGTeMpLaR


Why does that read = voting yourself as mayor or was it two disjointed thoughts?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 26 2014 05:16 GMT
#317
Pm from GGTemplar, he asked me this twice once in tl pm and once in IRC and also asked thrawn in pms.

Original Message From GGTeMpLaR:
i'll run for it but I won't try super hard to get it

are u really vanilla mason or a role?

Show nested quote +
Original Message From Balla24:
are you serious about running for mayor or mostly joking around?


Role-fishing this early is pretty weird. I don't see how that's useful at all to him at this point, nor do I see how he expected anybody to actually answer him without anything have happened yet.

Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 26 2014 05:19 GMT
#320
^_^

So seriously though, your explanation to me wasn't really that solid... "worth a try", why do you care? I expect you to know better.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 26 2014 05:22 GMT
#323
Bluefishing = scummy
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 26 2014 05:32 GMT
#327
I'm just bringing the info I get forward... it's probably too scummy to be scum or whatever but i'll let people make their own opinions.

It's pretty clear why it's scummy though:

1. You're asking for blue claims.
2. You aren't confirmed town.

There's absolutely no reason for you to be asking that for your reasons, but if you want that then you may as well just ask everybody to mass claim since the claims will probably make it to the thread eventually anyways.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 26 2014 06:13 GMT
#339
Just randomly asking people if they were a role.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 26 2014 06:16 GMT
#345
huh? That was my campaign? What are you talking about
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 26 2014 06:53 GMT
#365
Why... so far all im hearing from bum is just generic ideas and no reads.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 26 2014 07:18 GMT
#375
Paranoid about my well-being? How so?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 26 2014 07:22 GMT
#378
On January 26 2014 16:12 bumatlarge wrote:
Logical leaps in PM land. I said I want to see alot of voting to help my assessment of people, and he asked if I was going to lynch one of the people running. That was a big assumption, but I could be wrong. He seems paranoid about his well-being. I don't understand why he would jump to that when I haven't said anything about him at that point.


You said you wanted to put a lot of stock into who votes for who. My first thought is:

- He wants to deduce relationships between people.

So I then think, well relationships are useless between unflipped players, so he must be planning on lynching a mayoral candidate (someone who was garnering votes) to be able to see if there might be scum-scum votes or the like. I don't see how that's a strange thing to think about, so I asked you.



Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 26 2014 07:23 GMT
#380
On January 26 2014 16:22 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 16:18 Balla24 wrote:
Paranoid about my well-being? How so?


Well you are one of three other people running besies myself, and when I tell you I'm going to look at the votes, you jump to that. It seems a little self interested, when I never said anything about that.


Wasn't at all my thought. See above for my thought process.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 26 2014 08:25 GMT
#383
On January 26 2014 16:34 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2014 16:22 Balla24 wrote:
On January 26 2014 16:12 bumatlarge wrote:
Logical leaps in PM land. I said I want to see alot of voting to help my assessment of people, and he asked if I was going to lynch one of the people running. That was a big assumption, but I could be wrong. He seems paranoid about his well-being. I don't understand why he would jump to that when I haven't said anything about him at that point.


You said you wanted to put a lot of stock into who votes for who. My first thought is:

- He wants to deduce relationships between people.

So I then think, well relationships are useless between unflipped players, so he must be planning on lynching a mayoral candidate (someone who was garnering votes) to be able to see if there might be scum-scum votes or the like. I don't see how that's a strange thing to think about, so I asked you.


I suppose? But it would work in the opposite direction, a voter woul probably tell me more about the candidate then the candidate about the voter.

Just a different line of thinking I guess. Both are fine, obviously who you lynch should be decided by who is scummy first and foremost. But information wise, the candidate flipping would possibly show motive for multiple voters, whereas a voter flipping tells only about his candidate.

I would not put that much stock in the mayoral voting when deciding who to lynch, though, because lynching for information is bad.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 26 2014 19:12 GMT
#509
Ok heres why you should vote me for mayor over a vet, cause i'm not really seeing anything special out of them yet:

1. I'm probably the one with the most knowledge about the most players. I know the quantumpope/ggtemplar/storrzerg/tehpoofter players where probably nobody else really does. Then I've been active on this forum for long enough to know the vets and the trolls. This gives me the best chance of feeling something is off with everybody compared to a mayor who doesn't know half the town. For example, atm ggtemplar is deviating from his scum games a little bit, he seems more relaxed:

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 26 2014 07:29 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I counterclaim your [g]Mason[/g] claim.

And [r]Storrzerg[/r] is probably mafia.


On January 26 2014 07:29 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
ok I look dumb now but you should still make me the mayor


On January 26 2014 08:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Balla24 is probably town. I like the way he came into the thread fearless like a tiger pushing a clear agenda.



Compared to opening posts in really small:

+ Show Spoiler +

On January 10 2014 04:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Holyflare is my scumtell right now because he presumes to act like a confirmed town without having actually made any contributions to town himself. He just keeps asking for others to find clues for him.

Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes.


On January 10 2014 05:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me.

The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content.

+ Show Spoiler +
/mysterymachine



Whereas storrzerg seems less assertive than usual and less willing to put himself out there, which is strange. Also lurking, which town storr barely ever did.

+ Show Spoiler +


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102

On October 30 2013 09:46 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 13:41 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 30 2013 09:46 StorrZerg wrote:
On October 30 2013 09:41 Balla24 wrote:
Let's keep the pace of the game up too, none of that long post bullshit unless you need to address a lot of points. Short and to the point high in content. Fast-paced posting makes it hard for scum to clearly think through what is going on and it makes it easier to find lurkers. And yes, lynch lurkers.


idk what to think of this post...



well i said what i meant
i did not know what to think of it. I don't usually have people posting about how to play the game in this context, and probably why it was said was based on previous experience with the newby games. I can agree with things that are said (post content, "fast paced" lynch lurkers) I find it odd that you have to put the game in a very defined manner though. at least it feels to me you want the game to be played out like this, with no exceptions.


On October 30 2013 13:54 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 10:21 cakemanofdoom wrote:
onlywonderboy's the one who's defending Balla. I'm simply questioning Storr right now: his pressure, if it's just pressure, came without any sort of explanation, or justification.
At least, wouldn't something concrete (rather than a vague comment that can basically be ignored as personal musing) be better for forcing people to talk?



i really hate people who look for "concrete" reasons to lynch someone, specially day 1....
we want to lynch mafia sure, but a "concrete" reason would imo be, a cop claiming his checks at night, then dieing that night.

i think this is a pretty consistent thing regarding the median of mafia.
personally i'm a bit sad so many people are going after cakeman since i wanted to pressure him more.


I can pick up on these things without actually going and searching for games since I've played with a good majority of the thread.

2. I'm active in PM land. So I can get answers and find out how people are acting in PM land, whereas some people aren't as active there. Or if they are, then they are sacrificing thread presence. Please PM me if you want to have a conversation!!!!! I'm on IRC and will respond on TL too.

3. I'll find scum, and be very open with the thread so that the players who can't be as active in PM land will know what their mayor is thinking. Right now, i'd lynch:


Alakaslam
Skanjab1s
StorrZerg


Alakslam opened like he wanted to play. Kush pointed out that he did this in Extractor Mafia and since then slam has gone straight back to non-sensical thread clogging. That's sketchy, but some people have expressed their disagreement about this read.

Skanjab1s is because he already contradicted himself within the first couple posts of the thread by saying he'd lynch QP but then agreeing with kush that BC's attack on QP was bad.

StorrZerg because he's not "generally active" like he said he would be, and it's already a change from his town game like I pointed out above.

4. I'm Balla, I know I got a bad repatation. Walking 'round, always mad repatation.

##VOTE for me for mayor!
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 26 2014 20:22 GMT
#543
also a vet might have inherent biases that a rookie does not
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 26 2014 20:30 GMT
#550
On January 27 2014 05:24 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2014 05:22 Balla24 wrote:
also a rookie might have inherent biases that a vet does not


I swapped the two things you're comparing in this sentence and it still makes sense, meanign that this is a non-sentence


no, not really, what kind of biases do you think i have? or ggtemplar?
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 27 2014 15:53 GMT
#785
I feel soo alooooooooooone
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 27 2014 18:39 GMT
#866
On January 28 2014 03:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Tehpoofter could very well be mafia but knowing him from video mafia, he has way more fun playing as mafia than town so for now I'm willing to bet he's bored b/c he rolled town and if he rolled mafia he'd be having a lot of fun in the thread.


Uhh... when he was scum in my game he afk'ed a LOT. Don't think this is valid.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 27 2014 20:05 GMT
#896
##unvote
##vote BloodyC0bbler
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 27 2014 21:27 GMT
#964
Can confirm they often talk in zoom chat if that means anything. Cannot confirm the conversation actually took place that he is referencing though. But they do use that method of communication. Doubtful there are records.
Balla24
Profile Joined December 2011
2322 Posts
January 27 2014 21:48 GMT
#989
##unvote
##vote raynpelikoneet
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