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On January 18 2014 01:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
I really don't "get" toad this game.
Not sure if its because he is *that* much better than me or just scum.
Not gonna try to lynch on a gut read day 1 though. I still maintain that the useless players here are grack/ceph and if we aren't lynching them we need some pretty solid evidence of scum... Although hopeless is getting close to qualifying.
Day 1 is so awful.
noone does, rest assured.
Super secret trick about reading me that noone has figured out as of yet:
I don't press preview before posting when I'm town because I don't care enough to undo typo's and the sort. I end up with a crapton of typos and misunderstandings whenever I'm town.
I do press preview before posting as mafia and get rid of stuff that annoys me to make sure I don't slip.
Obviously, n0W tat i tld yu I m1gth be dong thiz on purpose. You can probably use it next game because I'll forget about it.
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vayne, from a scale from 0 to 10, how close are you to being like BH?
serious question. Need answer.
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do you like retarded plans that somehow could give town an insta win but will most likely fail?
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because the issue I'm having with you is still that one post I quoted yesterday, that everyone else ignored despite my quote:
This is right after the I want millers to claim post you did.
On January 16 2014 09:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
No, I don't think mafia has any reason to claim that there. But I definitely had a reason for asking.
So here's the thing. I thought about this for the past 24 hours and tried to come up with scenarios in which you could say that.
And here's what I got:
1) You're a DT
2) You're a VT/VET trying to absorb hits at night
3) You're some kind of weird guy who has some kind of weird, convoluted plan, probably including some kind of mass claim that could totally, according to you, screw mafia
4) You're mafia that tries to look like any of the above
We can already say that 1 isn't true because no DT would be stupid enough to say that.
We can also conclude that 2 isn't the case because:
On January 16 2014 09:56 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 09:54 Toadesstern wrote:On January 16 2014 09:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
No, I don't think mafia has any reason to claim that there. But I definitely had a reason for asking. you literally made the best post I've ever seen someone make on p1 of a game and end up making it by accident and it wasn't even intentionally, so sad. yea I understand we haven't played much together. If you think im doing something good, you are most likely wrong. My town game is terribad.
Now you just said 3) isn't the case either.
So wtf?
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On January 18 2014 02:19 Koshi wrote:
You should change that red text into green and then you cracked VA town meta.
well yeah, that's what I had so far and I assumed it's the #3 option I listed above because all other 3 just seem even more stupid. So I had him down as "probably some stupid VT" for that post but figured I might just ask. And he just said he doesn't like weird plans like that so I don't know what else it could be.
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On January 18 2014 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2014 02:16 Toadesstern wrote:because the issue I'm having with you is still that one post I quoted yesterday, that everyone else ignored despite my quote: This is right after the I want millers to claim post you did. On January 16 2014 09:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
No, I don't think mafia has any reason to claim that there. But I definitely had a reason for asking. So here's the thing. I thought about this for the past 24 hours and tried to come up with scenarios in which you could say that. And here's what I got: 1) You're a DT 2) You're a VT/VET trying to absorb hits at night 3) You're some kind of weird guy who has some kind of weird, convoluted plan, probably including some kind of mass claim that could totally, according to you, screw mafia 4) You're mafia that tries to look like any of the above We can already say that 1 isn't true because no DT would be stupid enough to say that. We can also conclude that 2 isn't the case because: On January 16 2014 09:56 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 16 2014 09:54 Toadesstern wrote:On January 16 2014 09:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
No, I don't think mafia has any reason to claim that there. But I definitely had a reason for asking. you literally made the best post I've ever seen someone make on p1 of a game and end up making it by accident and it wasn't even intentionally, so sad. yea I understand we haven't played much together. If you think im doing something good, you are most likely wrong. My town game is terribad. Now you just said 3) isn't the case either. So wtf? Your own post is a contradiction, but yes you are somewhere on the right track. look for your own contradiction
actually there's 2 things in there that could be labeled as contradictions but I don't want to believe that they are because they're just too damn retarded.
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On January 18 2014 02:19 Koshi wrote:
You should change that red text into green and then you cracked VA town meta.
Also I'd like some explaining on this one. I do realize that my 1) states "he's not stupid enough to do this", while my 2) states "he's too stupid to do that" but the level of wtf is just way off there, so I woudln't call that a contradiction and place him firmly somewhere inbetween, unable to do either of the two. And he just said 3 isn't the case either. So the only thing left is 4.
Is there anything you guys know about him that I don't? Would be helping. What's the reason for "make it green and it's his town meta". Is saying something that concludes that he has to be mafia his town meta because that shit doesn't make sense.
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On January 18 2014 02:46 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2014 02:37 Toadesstern wrote:On January 18 2014 02:19 Koshi wrote:
You should change that red text into green and then you cracked VA town meta. Also I'd like some explaining on this one. I do realize that my 1) states "he's not stupid enough to do this", while my 2) states "he's too stupid to do that" but the level of wtf is just way off there, so I woudln't call that a contradiction and place him firmly somewhere inbetween, unable to do either of the two. And he just said 3 isn't the case either. So the only thing left is 4. Is there anything you guys know about him that I don't? Would be helping. What's the reason for "make it green and it's his town meta". Is saying something that concludes that he has to be mafia his town meta because that shit doesn't make sense. It's something meta, hard to explain. He always says something cryptic that let shine he is on a higher level of understanding about stuff. But he isn't. Like when VA is town you always got this feeling he is going to find all the scums with the next post he makes, but he never does. -_-
but if that's the case this:
On January 18 2014 02:23 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2014 02:16 Toadesstern wrote:because the issue I'm having with you is still that one post I quoted yesterday, that everyone else ignored despite my quote: This is right after the I want millers to claim post you did. On January 16 2014 09:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
No, I don't think mafia has any reason to claim that there. But I definitely had a reason for asking. So here's the thing. I thought about this for the past 24 hours and tried to come up with scenarios in which you could say that. And here's what I got: 1) You're a DT 2) You're a VT/VET trying to absorb hits at night 3) You're some kind of weird guy who has some kind of weird, convoluted plan, probably including some kind of mass claim that could totally, according to you, screw mafia 4) You're mafia that tries to look like any of the above We can already say that 1 isn't true because no DT would be stupid enough to say that. We can also conclude that 2 isn't the case because: On January 16 2014 09:56 VayneAuthority wrote:On January 16 2014 09:54 Toadesstern wrote:On January 16 2014 09:51 VayneAuthority wrote:
No, I don't think mafia has any reason to claim that there. But I definitely had a reason for asking. you literally made the best post I've ever seen someone make on p1 of a game and end up making it by accident and it wasn't even intentionally, so sad. yea I understand we haven't played much together. If you think im doing something good, you are most likely wrong. My town game is terribad. Now you just said 3) isn't the case either. So wtf? Your own post is a contradiction, but yes you are somewhere on the right track. look for your own contradiction
is total bullshit
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On January 18 2014 02:50 Koshi wrote:
I don't even know what he is saying. I read over that.
I understand it as I'm right with my idea but my conclusion is wrong because of some logic flaw and basicly says that it's one of either 1, 2 or 3 in my list which is correct and just deleted out as options by mistake. Actually he could also be saying that about the 4th one but I don't think he's calling himself mafia.
And when I read your answer it sounds like some guy who has some complex and makes it look like he's awesome and has an urge to post like he's awesome but just isn't. None of the above 4 options is awesome.
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On January 18 2014 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And then there is Toad who only does selective meta-analysis and even then he does it wrong.
Toad go look at Vayne's past games. Then come back and tell what you think. You were so eager to do so with Sn0 and kush and both were horrible, you can probably do horrible one on Vayne too.
I don't do meta analysis at all. That's the point, silly.
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I think it's "he would have gracked [ehehe] at this point and posted something serious as town because he has do, while as mafia he keeps on trolling no matter what and overplays stuff that way".
At least that's what I got from thrawn's assertion earlier on. No idea if it's true. Why do you all go for meta stuff instead of just scummy stuff that doesn't require meta...
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On January 18 2014 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:And that's why i said half-arsed meta analysis. Because you give opinions based on people's past games and you do it terribly, like here: + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2014 11:02 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 10:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
Witchcraft 2. Sn0man was under suspicion the entire game. I skimmed his filter. I didn't see stuff that resembled posts like these: Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 09:39 Sn0_Man wrote:You know kush I'd accuse you of needing an easy target but thats really not how you play...  Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 01:10 Sn0_Man wrote:On January 17 2014 01:07 Skanjab1s wrote:Oh wow, rayn, you actually think I'm opting out of discussion? Really? On January 17 2014 01:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:Ugh.. this is gonna be really hard to figure out because Skanjab1s made a terrible terrible case on yamato in Hogwarts aswell. As sad it is he could do this as town..  Making opening cases on people and then getting called scum for it is what I do, yo.On January 17 2014 01:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
Yes I was intentionally lying skan, see my followup post.
I find it hilarious you think rayn CANT get you lynched. Trololol He can't. I mean, he's welcome to try, but it wont work. This sounds a lot like "I intentionally made a worthless case cuz its my town meta and I gotta match that". Which sounds a lot like scum :/ Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 01:21 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well I was starting to think that you might have just been trying to get the thread moving and fishing for responses, which would be quite understandable, but instead it seems that you actually think I'm scum or something.
Jeeeeez. Show nested quote +On January 17 2014 03:56 Sn0_Man wrote:
Soooooo I'm scum because of Diction and because my reaction to scummy posts from skan is a "gross face".
Sigh, I was hoping for a productive day 1.
At least Mig is here and playing finally. I believe that means everybody has posted at least once. I really have a hard time picturing a townie post like the above. I see posts like this (picked because of red letters and they stand out): Show nested quote +On November 14 2013 01:23 Sn0_Man wrote:
His case amounts to "I can write Sn0's name in big red letters that guy must be scum.
Everything else is drivel.
"Oh Sn0 wanted to lynch Syl over vanesco" guess what syl is scum
"Oh Sn0 got Onegu lynched" yeah sure whatever floats your boat. I offered meta reference. Onegu played scummy. Hopeless deliberately misconstrues me and uses emotionally charged language in an attempt to squelch logic regarding why Onegu actually died.
"Sn0 figures the D1 NK may have been a silver bullet" obviously this is a clear scumtell thank you for pointing this out Hopeless no town would ever consider such a thing. Trying to figure out the game is how i play tyvm.
"Sn0 gave me shit when I replaced in" please excuse me for poking people in a mafia game to see how they react.
"Sn0 dropped his scumread on Syl day 4" well somebody didn't read day 4 at all
Hopeless also attempts to garner towncred in the middle of this for last-voting onto vanesco after he's already been hammered for a while without any chance of any other lynch.
And feels the need to jump on me messing up names (onegu instead of vanesco watever).
Ok thats his whole case boiled down and somewhat in order (excepting the first point). in WC2 instead. That's completly different. It's way later in the game, I'll give you that but it's nowhere close to being as apologetically as in his responses to Mig/Me/Kush. Can you give me a name of a game where we was mafia? I know I should be searching that stuff myself and there's a handy trick about it with clicking someone's profile but I never read old games and always forget how to search for that stuff... Explain to me what is the point of those 2 posts when they are clearly no value as you just said?
explaining that I still see the differences that some people claimed not to be there. I still haven't seen anyone link anything like the 4 posts I quoted in that post btw.
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On January 18 2014 03:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So what's different in terms of the following statement: "Sn0 thinks D1 is quite useless and his primary goal is to not go all-in for scumhunting but instead to get rid of trash".
How does his posting in this game not work towards that goal when you compare it to WC II?
You can't just take a fucking post where he calls/doesn't call someone mafia nad say "look this is totally different than what he is doing in this game". That's not meta and you should know it.
whatever, I think we're better off ignoring that for now with about 5 hours left to decide who to lynch and sn0 not bein a target, agree?
Feel free to remind me of it later on and I'll explain it again.
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the WoS filter link needs fixing, it's not pointing to his filter but to writing him a pm. Just saying
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On January 18 2014 03:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So people just let go of Sn0 because me and thrawn disagreed with your meta-analysis?
Fucking terrific. Why are you not pushing Sn0 lynch any more? You had a case that was based on meta and scummy things. Scummy things didn't go away, meta-analysis is what you yourself did, someone disagreeing with it means you are either bullshitting because you just let of it for no reason or for some other reason you have come to a conclusion Sn0 is town.
What has Sn0 done now that makes you think he is town?
I still think he's mafia and you'd know that if you read my posts. I've been in an argument with hopeless about it. I let it go because I was the only one voting him when some people where on kush, some on hopeless and now everyone's on grack.
I'm aiming for best play possible, not best play and I'm not getting sn0 lynched today, simply as that.
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On January 18 2014 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2014 03:19 Toadesstern wrote:On January 18 2014 03:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So people just let go of Sn0 because me and thrawn disagreed with your meta-analysis?
Fucking terrific. Why are you not pushing Sn0 lynch any more? You had a case that was based on meta and scummy things. Scummy things didn't go away, meta-analysis is what you yourself did, someone disagreeing with it means you are either bullshitting because you just let of it for no reason or for some other reason you have come to a conclusion Sn0 is town.
What has Sn0 done now that makes you think he is town? I still think he's mafia and you'd know that if you read my posts. I've been in an argument with hopeless about it. I let it go because I was the only one voting him when some people where on kush, some on hopeless and now everyone's on grack. I'm aiming for best play possible, not best play and I'm not getting sn0 lynched today, simply as that. Okay so what do you think of other people who agreed with Sn0 being mafia nad let go of the case as soon as someone disagreed with it? Isn't that scummy to you because you think the dude is scum? Or do you just ignore it, why?
the other people were kush/ska/mig or am I missing anyone?
But anyways not much as I haven't seen sn0 flip yet. There's a bazillion of different reasons and I don't even recall their reasons, except for kush you just mentioned it a minute ago.
On January 18 2014 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toad do you usually just sheep as town or build cases?
Depends. I don't usually do cases, sometimes I try but like I said I'm mostly focusing on peoples writing/attitude and I'm having a really hard time to express that properly in cases.
If there's someone who's blatantly town and I agree with and he's known to be good I'll just "sheep" him. It may look like sheeping from the outside but I don't usually, but if I happen to have a read that aligns with someone elses read who's already pushing it I'll "sheep" it, yes.
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On January 18 2014 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2014 03:19 Toadesstern wrote:On January 18 2014 03:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So people just let go of Sn0 because me and thrawn disagreed with your meta-analysis?
Fucking terrific. Why are you not pushing Sn0 lynch any more? You had a case that was based on meta and scummy things. Scummy things didn't go away, meta-analysis is what you yourself did, someone disagreeing with it means you are either bullshitting because you just let of it for no reason or for some other reason you have come to a conclusion Sn0 is town.
What has Sn0 done now that makes you think he is town? I still think he's mafia and you'd know that if you read my posts. I've been in an argument with hopeless about it. I let it go because I was the only one voting him when some people where on kush, some on hopeless and now everyone's on grack. I'm aiming for best play possible, not best play and I'm not getting sn0 lynched today, simply as that. Okay so what do you think of other people who agreed with Sn0 being mafia nad let go of the case as soon as someone disagreed with it? Isn't that scummy to you because you think the dude is scum? Or do you just ignore it, why?
I mean just to put this into perspective, I think calling it [and] let go of the case as soon as someone disagreed with it? is just a big misrepresentation
kush, mig and I all kept disagreeing with you for the most of d1 and sn0 had a decent amount of votes for the longest time. I certainly wouldn't call it "as soon as someone disagreed with it" either way. It could still be anything but it's just a huge clusterfuck right now and anyone claiming he can point out at what's going on is just straight up lying.
I still do believe sn0 is mafia but I'm getting cold feet about it. I don't think there's anyone who'd just be 100% certain about anything in mafia.
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On January 18 2014 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2014 03:37 Toadesstern wrote:On January 18 2014 03:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 18 2014 03:19 Toadesstern wrote:On January 18 2014 03:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So people just let go of Sn0 because me and thrawn disagreed with your meta-analysis?
Fucking terrific. Why are you not pushing Sn0 lynch any more? You had a case that was based on meta and scummy things. Scummy things didn't go away, meta-analysis is what you yourself did, someone disagreeing with it means you are either bullshitting because you just let of it for no reason or for some other reason you have come to a conclusion Sn0 is town.
What has Sn0 done now that makes you think he is town? I still think he's mafia and you'd know that if you read my posts. I've been in an argument with hopeless about it. I let it go because I was the only one voting him when some people where on kush, some on hopeless and now everyone's on grack. I'm aiming for best play possible, not best play and I'm not getting sn0 lynched today, simply as that. Okay so what do you think of other people who agreed with Sn0 being mafia nad let go of the case as soon as someone disagreed with it? Isn't that scummy to you because you think the dude is scum? Or do you just ignore it, why? I mean just to put this into perspective, I think calling it [and] let go of the case as soon as someone disagreed with it? is just a big misrepresentation kush, mig and I all kept disagreeing with you for the most of d1 and sn0 had a decent amount of votes for the longest time. I certainly wouldn't call it "as soon as someone disagreed with it" either way. It could still be anything but it's just a huge clusterfuck right now and anyone claiming he can point out at what's going on is just straight up lying. I still do believe sn0 is mafia but I'm getting cold feet about it. I don't think there's anyone who'd just be 100% certain about anything in mafia. Isn't what has happened a definition of what you bolded? You guys are not pushing for Sn0 lynch. You are not talking with him. You are not talking about him. How am i supposed to interpret this if not "letting off the case when someone disagrees with you"? Jesus, you guys think he is mafia but are not pushing his lynch...
the whole discussion with you and hopeless, disagreeing with your meta conclusion is certainly pushing him. Just because you disagree with the case doesn't mean it's not pushing it
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actually I don't think there's any reasonable way to defend Grack from a mafia point of view if he's indeed mafia. So I don't think the "I don't like how fast this wagon is building up" argument someone pointed at holds any value. Mafia would be bussing that, assuming Grack's mafia. Not the lynch I had hoped for but whatever, it's a coinflip and a useless guy at that, it's something.
##unvote
##vote Grack
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On January 18 2014 03:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Really the only difference between me and Hopeless this game is that sometimes I play like this as town and Hopeless doesn't play like this as town.
so you're saying you're a good lynch? Doesn't make it sound like you think you're town
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