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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 15:37 GMT
#361
hey rayn did you see when i asked about your thoughts on grack? or are you too busy with toad right now?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2014 15:38 GMT
#362
On January 17 2014 00:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
hey rayn did you see when i asked about your thoughts on grack? or are you too busy with toad right now?

Yeah sorry. If he does not stop trolling he is mafia. I liked his post where he said everything happened so far is dumb.
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 16 2014 15:40 GMT
#363
On January 17 2014 00:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
Toad, comment on why skanjab's case is bullshit as per rayn's discussion. One of you is wrong. Explain why.

he basicly said this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440800&currentpage=18#344

I don't think the bolded part counters anything about the careful posts that were mentioned at all. That post is something anyone could do. Besides you look for uncertainties, they're not going to show up in every post just like a mafia who slips won't slip in every post bust just one. I still like that part of the case and think rayn is talking bullshit.

Furthermore we got rayn talking about how the list post was supposed to be stupid (it was) and noone seems to have a problem with the fact that rayn's the only one who felt the need to answer it:
On January 16 2014 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 16:00 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hiii. I'd be delighted if you kittens could indulge me in a brief questionnaire, it'll only take a little of your time.

(1) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?
(2) What will you be remembered for this game?
(3) How do you react to pressure?
(4) Is your play usually emotional, or reserved?

Joke answers = Totally scum, by the way.


(1) town
(2) stupid question
(3) depends on the pressure and my alignment
(4) emo



Why does he answer that shit if he thinks it's shit, knowing that his answer is going to be shit as well? Just ignore it
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 16 2014 15:41 GMT
#364
On January 17 2014 00:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
Toad, comment on why skanjab's case is bullshit as per rayn's discussion. One of you is wrong. Explain why.

Hopeless, stop 1-liner sniping from the sidelines and do some legwork yourself.

Image macro's are worse than 1-liners. You work hard enough to find/generate an image macro but are too fucking lazy to do anything that could be construed as hunting scum. That doesn't make a ton of sense.

Unless theres a good reason you don't want to take a stance on anything in-game? Oh yeah, cuz ur scum.

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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 16 2014 15:42 GMT
#365
On January 17 2014 00:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 00:33 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:22 Toadesstern wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why not?

had nothing to do with my question, seems stupid on it's own. I can figure that kind of stuff out myself, so why feel the need to "show-off" and toss around town-reads.

By the way I hate people going around with town-reads, not just limited to you. They're easy to do, for both mafia and town, mostly because you don't have to lie as mafia and if you go around talking about them you take away the "easy" work other townies can do for themselves if they're not capable to scumhunt themselves (assuming they're believing you).

So yeah I really don't see a reason why you'd feel the need to tell me thrawn and Vayne are town except for show off or maaaaaybe annoyed but I don't think so.

Okay what the fuck are you doing this game Toad?
None of your posts say anything at all and are really ccrappy.

I just accused you of doing stupid stuff while being in the game, that's hardly nothing. My posts were done 2 hours into the game, I went to sleep and that's the first post I just did afterwards. Of course there's not going to be any diamonds in the former. You however posted later on and it was still nothing. Also instead of saying anything you just omgus without giving any concrete example because you know you can't just post a 1 hour into the game comment and call it stupid because that's nothing out of the ordinary. Don't try to paint things differently than they are by leaving out quotes.

Yet you agree with Skanjab's case.
##Unvote:
##Vote: Toadsstern

Difference being:

I am talking about his phrasing and how it's showing weakness.
You basicly accused me of not having put up a case 1 hour into the game.

The former can happen no matter if there is something in a post or not, your phrasing can always show your alignment. The conent 1 hour of the game can not and you should be smarter than this...
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 16 2014 15:43 GMT
#366
On January 17 2014 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 00:24 Skanjab1s wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
your questionnaire was stupid and a waste of time both to post and respond to.

You're stupid and a waste of time both to post and respond to.
On January 17 2014 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For someone who has Sn0 as this top suspect and has read Sn0's posts carefully this accusation should not be possible:
On January 16 2014 18:04 Skanjab1s wrote:
His contributions are all incredibly tentative, careful comments that make sure to not outright accuse anyone.


Like this is what Sn0 says:
On January 16 2014 12:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
Oke you word-lawyer'd me.

How about some COMMENTS with your commentary then?

PS: hopeless for scum. Too many "i'm totally contributing" 1-liners and easy snipes plus seems overly interested in cementing a lynch with 40 hours left in the day.

If someone consideres this as "incredibly tentative, careful comment" then i don't know what to say.

So, i stand by my words that Skanjab1s is just making shit up.

Literally every one that I quoted was tentative and careful, I wasn't calling that tentative and careful, hence why it wasn't included in the case, dear.

What do you think of Hopeless, rayn?

But you were, because you said all of his contributions....
Why are you changing your story?

I don't have a read on Hopeless yet.


All of his contributions that I quoted. My story isn't changing at all.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2014 15:45 GMT
#367
On January 17 2014 00:43 Skanjab1s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:24 Skanjab1s wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
your questionnaire was stupid and a waste of time both to post and respond to.

You're stupid and a waste of time both to post and respond to.
On January 17 2014 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For someone who has Sn0 as this top suspect and has read Sn0's posts carefully this accusation should not be possible:
On January 16 2014 18:04 Skanjab1s wrote:
His contributions are all incredibly tentative, careful comments that make sure to not outright accuse anyone.


Like this is what Sn0 says:
On January 16 2014 12:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
Oke you word-lawyer'd me.

How about some COMMENTS with your commentary then?

PS: hopeless for scum. Too many "i'm totally contributing" 1-liners and easy snipes plus seems overly interested in cementing a lynch with 40 hours left in the day.

If someone consideres this as "incredibly tentative, careful comment" then i don't know what to say.

So, i stand by my words that Skanjab1s is just making shit up.

Literally every one that I quoted was tentative and careful, I wasn't calling that tentative and careful, hence why it wasn't included in the case, dear.

What do you think of Hopeless, rayn?

But you were, because you said all of his contributions....
Why are you changing your story?

I don't have a read on Hopeless yet.


All of his contributions that I quoted. My story isn't changing at all.

So if i take one or two posts of yours where you don't say much can i say "Skanjabs has not contributed anything at all".
Does that sound like i would not be twisting what has actually happened?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2014 15:46 GMT
#368
More importantly, why do you feel like Sn0 has contributed less than Koshi, Vayne, Grackaroni and Toad?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2014 15:46 GMT
#369
Because those guys have said nothing of value.
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 15:46 GMT
#370
On January 17 2014 00:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 00:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
Toad, comment on why skanjab's case is bullshit as per rayn's discussion. One of you is wrong. Explain why.

Hopeless, stop 1-liner sniping from the sidelines and do some legwork yourself.

Image macro's are worse than 1-liners. You work hard enough to find/generate an image macro but are too fucking lazy to do anything that could be construed as hunting scum. That doesn't make a ton of sense.

Unless theres a good reason you don't want to take a stance on anything in-game? Oh yeah, cuz ur scum.


Listen, Toad is avoiding rayn's discussion and is promoting something that I find scummy. I don't know if Toad is scum or town. Asking him to do stuff is a way to discern his alignment.

Finding an image macro is a more suitable representation of my attitude towards skanjabs questionnaire and rayn telling me I should answer it.

I have taken stances. See my vote. See how Grack hasnt done a thing this game and no one gives a rats ass yet because "oh its soo super early its meaningless" bullshit.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 15:47 GMT
#371
On January 17 2014 00:40 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 00:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
Toad, comment on why skanjab's case is bullshit as per rayn's discussion. One of you is wrong. Explain why.

he basicly said this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440800&currentpage=18#344

I don't think the bolded part counters anything about the careful posts that were mentioned at all. That post is something anyone could do. Besides you look for uncertainties, they're not going to show up in every post just like a mafia who slips won't slip in every post bust just one. I still like that part of the case and think rayn is talking bullshit.

Furthermore we got rayn talking about how the list post was supposed to be stupid (it was) and noone seems to have a problem with the fact that rayn's the only one who felt the need to answer it:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 16 2014 16:00 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hiii. I'd be delighted if you kittens could indulge me in a brief questionnaire, it'll only take a little of your time.

(1) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?
(2) What will you be remembered for this game?
(3) How do you react to pressure?
(4) Is your play usually emotional, or reserved?

Joke answers = Totally scum, by the way.


(1) town
(2) stupid question
(3) depends on the pressure and my alignment
(4) emo



Why does he answer that shit if he thinks it's shit, knowing that his answer is going to be shit as well? Just ignore it
+ Show Spoiler +

On January 16 2014 16:57 thrawn2112 wrote:
oats i have no fucking clue if grack is scum or not. i never once said he's town, never, not once. I have in my notes:

"grack - null, my+hopeless+kush+sn0 actions make it hard to judge"

my reasons for unvoting were simply because i downgraded him from scummy to null because I REREAD and THOUGHT about my reasons and realized they were stupid. that does not fucking mean i'm suddenly town reading oats, take a reading comprehension class. that reason COMBINED with me not wanting to demotivate a potential townie is why I unvoted.

Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 16:00 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hiii. I'd be delighted if you kittens could indulge me in a brief questionnaire, it'll only take a little of your time.

(1) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?
(2) What will you be remembered for this game?
(3) How do you react to pressure?
(4) Is your play usually emotional, or reserved?

Joke answers = Totally scum, by the way.



town, murdering Oats IRL, depends on my mood, depends on my mood.


On January 16 2014 18:02 Koshi wrote:
Koshi is back alive.

Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 16:00 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hiii. I'd be delighted if you kittens could indulge me in a brief questionnaire, it'll only take a little of your time.

(1) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?
(2) What will you be remembered for this game?
(3) How do you react to pressure?
(4) Is your play usually emotional, or reserved?

Joke answers = Totally scum, by the way.


town. Being Batman. I am never pressured, maybe sometimes omgus. I only make well calculated decisions, and completely thought out posts.

↑ 1 thing is a lie.

On January 16 2014 21:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 16:00 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hiii. I'd be delighted if you kittens could indulge me in a brief questionnaire, it'll only take a little of your time.

(1) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?
(2) What will you be remembered for this game?
(3) How do you react to pressure?
(4) Is your play usually emotional, or reserved?

Joke answers = Totally scum, by the way.


(1) town
(2) stupid question
(3) depends on the pressure and my alignment
(4) emo

On January 17 2014 00:28 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 16:00 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hiii. I'd be delighted if you kittens could indulge me in a brief questionnaire, it'll only take a little of your time.

(1) Do you prefer to play as town or scum?
(2) What will you be remembered for this game?
(3) How do you react to pressure?
(4) Is your play usually emotional, or reserved?

Joke answers = Totally scum, by the way.

1) I generally enjoyed my town games more than my singular replacement into a maf game
2) dafuq would I know?
3) Depends is a horrible cop-out answer everybody puts forth. I usually just OMGUS cuz omgus. Or whine a lot.
4) Tears, tears everywhere

Aaaaand in other news I certainly hope you aren't counting on this or your romp through my filter as "contributions".

raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2014 15:50 GMT
#372
On January 17 2014 00:40 Toadesstern wrote:
Why does he answer that shit if he thinks it's shit, knowing that his answer is going to be shit as well? Just ignore it

Are you even reading the thread?
I am answering it because Skanjabs promised results when everyone has answered it. If everyone answers it he must keep his promise and tell those results. I wanna see what he actually does with the answers and how he considers them to be useful. Because i can't see it, and i won't know it if people do not answer because of his bullshit "i won't tell you bitch".
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Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 16 2014 15:50 GMT
#373
On January 17 2014 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 00:43 Skanjab1s wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:24 Skanjab1s wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
your questionnaire was stupid and a waste of time both to post and respond to.

You're stupid and a waste of time both to post and respond to.
On January 17 2014 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For someone who has Sn0 as this top suspect and has read Sn0's posts carefully this accusation should not be possible:
On January 16 2014 18:04 Skanjab1s wrote:
His contributions are all incredibly tentative, careful comments that make sure to not outright accuse anyone.


Like this is what Sn0 says:
On January 16 2014 12:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
Oke you word-lawyer'd me.

How about some COMMENTS with your commentary then?

PS: hopeless for scum. Too many "i'm totally contributing" 1-liners and easy snipes plus seems overly interested in cementing a lynch with 40 hours left in the day.

If someone consideres this as "incredibly tentative, careful comment" then i don't know what to say.

So, i stand by my words that Skanjab1s is just making shit up.

Literally every one that I quoted was tentative and careful, I wasn't calling that tentative and careful, hence why it wasn't included in the case, dear.

What do you think of Hopeless, rayn?

But you were, because you said all of his contributions....
Why are you changing your story?

I don't have a read on Hopeless yet.


All of his contributions that I quoted. My story isn't changing at all.

So if i take one or two posts of yours where you don't say much can i say "Skanjabs has not contributed anything at all".
Does that sound like i would not be twisting what has actually happened?

That's a different scenario, because I was referring to the quotes I posted, whereas you would be referring to everything.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2014 15:52 GMT
#374
On January 17 2014 00:50 Skanjab1s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:43 Skanjab1s wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:24 Skanjab1s wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
your questionnaire was stupid and a waste of time both to post and respond to.

You're stupid and a waste of time both to post and respond to.
On January 17 2014 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For someone who has Sn0 as this top suspect and has read Sn0's posts carefully this accusation should not be possible:
On January 16 2014 18:04 Skanjab1s wrote:
His contributions are all incredibly tentative, careful comments that make sure to not outright accuse anyone.


Like this is what Sn0 says:
On January 16 2014 12:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
Oke you word-lawyer'd me.

How about some COMMENTS with your commentary then?

PS: hopeless for scum. Too many "i'm totally contributing" 1-liners and easy snipes plus seems overly interested in cementing a lynch with 40 hours left in the day.

If someone consideres this as "incredibly tentative, careful comment" then i don't know what to say.

So, i stand by my words that Skanjab1s is just making shit up.

Literally every one that I quoted was tentative and careful, I wasn't calling that tentative and careful, hence why it wasn't included in the case, dear.

What do you think of Hopeless, rayn?

But you were, because you said all of his contributions....
Why are you changing your story?

I don't have a read on Hopeless yet.


All of his contributions that I quoted. My story isn't changing at all.

So if i take one or two posts of yours where you don't say much can i say "Skanjabs has not contributed anything at all".
Does that sound like i would not be twisting what has actually happened?

That's a different scenario, because I was referring to the quotes I posted, whereas you would be referring to everything.

You literally fucking said "His contributions are all incredibly tentative, careful comments that make sure to not outright accuse anyone.". How am i supposed to read that?

That's like quoting posts where someone defends themself and saying "this guy is not scumhunting". That's fucking twisting the facts.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2014 15:53 GMT
#375
You can't make that argument because that's not true. Even if it's true for ONE post why the fuck does it matter?
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 16 2014 15:54 GMT
#376
On January 17 2014 00:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 00:41 Sn0_Man wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:35 Hopeless1der wrote:
Toad, comment on why skanjab's case is bullshit as per rayn's discussion. One of you is wrong. Explain why.

Hopeless, stop 1-liner sniping from the sidelines and do some legwork yourself.

Image macro's are worse than 1-liners. You work hard enough to find/generate an image macro but are too fucking lazy to do anything that could be construed as hunting scum. That doesn't make a ton of sense.

Unless theres a good reason you don't want to take a stance on anything in-game? Oh yeah, cuz ur scum.


Listen, Toad is avoiding rayn's discussion and is promoting something that I find scummy. I don't know if Toad is scum or town. Asking him to do stuff is a way to discern his alignment.

Finding an image macro is a more suitable representation of my attitude towards skanjabs questionnaire and rayn telling me I should answer it.

I have taken stances. See my vote. See how Grack hasnt done a thing this game and no one gives a rats ass yet because "oh its soo super early its meaningless" bullshit.

I'll just quote this but it's about this and the next one.

I wasn't ignoring anything... it takes time to look up the quotes.

Oh yeah and messed up about the quotes. Just got home, saw it, looked who answered it and only found rayn because I was looking for that pattern. My bad. Anyways will be gone now until later the evening.
On January 17 2014 00:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 00:40 Toadesstern wrote:
Why does he answer that shit if he thinks it's shit, knowing that his answer is going to be shit as well? Just ignore it

Are you even reading the thread?
I am answering it because Skanjabs promised results when everyone has answered it. If everyone answers it he must keep his promise and tell those results. I wanna see what he actually does with the answers and how he considers them to be useful. Because i can't see it, and i won't know it if people do not answer because of his bullshit "i won't tell you bitch".

I skimmed it real quick because in a hurry. apparently too quick, my bad.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 16 2014 15:54 GMT
#377
That's selectively reading one's posts and twisting the facts to fit your case.
That's what it is, not scumhunting and figuring out one's alignment.

Now i am going to see if you were this stupid in Hogwarts game and if you were not you die.
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 15:58 GMT
#378
All skan has done is post that stupid questionnaire and then opt out of discussion until everyone answers him he's so scummy #scumhunting.
Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
January 16 2014 15:59 GMT
#379
On January 17 2014 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 00:50 Skanjab1s wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:43 Skanjab1s wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:24 Skanjab1s wrote:
On January 17 2014 00:06 Hopeless1der wrote:
your questionnaire was stupid and a waste of time both to post and respond to.

You're stupid and a waste of time both to post and respond to.
On January 17 2014 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
For someone who has Sn0 as this top suspect and has read Sn0's posts carefully this accusation should not be possible:
On January 16 2014 18:04 Skanjab1s wrote:
His contributions are all incredibly tentative, careful comments that make sure to not outright accuse anyone.


Like this is what Sn0 says:
On January 16 2014 12:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
Oke you word-lawyer'd me.

How about some COMMENTS with your commentary then?

PS: hopeless for scum. Too many "i'm totally contributing" 1-liners and easy snipes plus seems overly interested in cementing a lynch with 40 hours left in the day.

If someone consideres this as "incredibly tentative, careful comment" then i don't know what to say.

So, i stand by my words that Skanjab1s is just making shit up.

Literally every one that I quoted was tentative and careful, I wasn't calling that tentative and careful, hence why it wasn't included in the case, dear.

What do you think of Hopeless, rayn?

But you were, because you said all of his contributions....
Why are you changing your story?

I don't have a read on Hopeless yet.


All of his contributions that I quoted. My story isn't changing at all.

So if i take one or two posts of yours where you don't say much can i say "Skanjabs has not contributed anything at all".
Does that sound like i would not be twisting what has actually happened?

That's a different scenario, because I was referring to the quotes I posted, whereas you would be referring to everything.

You literally fucking said "His contributions are all incredibly tentative, careful comments that make sure to not outright accuse anyone.". How am i supposed to read that?

That's like quoting posts where someone defends themself and saying "this guy is not scumhunting". That's fucking twisting the facts.


That's not the same thing, rayn. His contributions were tentative and careful. I'm not twisting anything. The fact that there is one accusatory post does not mean that all the careful posts suddenly cease to exist. I should have added "His contributions *here* are all incredibly tentative, careful comments" but I didn't predict the confusion.

I can see where you're getting caught up, but this really shouldn't be that hard to understand.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 16 2014 16:01 GMT
#380
That is the basic idea behind what rayn is saying you did skanjab. And here you are maintaining that your case is legit and sn0 is totes scum for joking about lynching the host when there were basically no posts in thread.
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