On May 21 2014 06:13 27ninjabunnies wrote: Is this normal forum play to just vote whoever you want within the first five minutes of the game?
Cause that seems kind of redundant, and stupid.
You're redundant.
Also whats the issue of voting a bunch? Its not majority lynch the lynch matters who is ahead at the END of the day besides its fun. Also there is practical uses like it puts pressure on people to start talking and such.
On May 21 2014 06:09 WaveofShadow wrote: This is going to bed a very odd game with so many people I don't know. In other news I'm getting real sick of rolling VT in massive theme-style games (or games in general). Really fucking boring. Gonna be the same basic formula: either I suck balls and get left alive forever and get demoralized and whatnot, or I get a flash of genius and play well and get killed earlyish. The latter means I gotta try though and even then there are no guarantees. Blehhhhhhhhhhh
K so first order of business: ##vote: holyflare
Suck it. I rolled vig. Want to make sure I don't shoot you today?
On May 21 2014 06:09 WaveofShadow wrote: This is going to bed a very odd game with so many I don't know. In other news I'm getting real sick of rolling VT in massive theme-style games (or games in general). Really fucking boring. Gonna be the same basic formula: either I suck balls and get left alive forever and get demoralized and whatnot, or I get a flash of genius and play well and get killed earlyish. The latter means I gotta try though and even then there are no guarantees. Blehhhhhhhhhhh
K so first order of business: ##vote: holyflare
Sold.
##vote: holyflare
Lol now I'm honestly debating whether or not to seriously push this. If he's scum nobody's gonna lynch the guy so as much as I'd feel bad not letting him play, mebbe somebody shoot him or something just to remove all doubt?
I understand where the bolded logic comes from, in a normal game he wouldn't be lynched right away because scum wouldn't hop on the wagon. However in this game the same rules don't apply since there are more factions. I think it's very possible to see zero opposition wagons happen on scum.
That actually adds a pretty interesting element to the game. Connection speculation is less useful - or more precisely said more complicated.
I agree that's it's gonna be more complicated which is why I'd rather not use it as a heuristic for a D1 lynch, after we see a few flips we can start speculating again but right now I think it's more distracting than useful and we should focus on simple behavior based scum hunting.
Yeah, it's going to be very difficult to decide today's lynch based on voting patterns etc.
Since when are Day 1 lynches ever decided on voting patterns? What is this nonsense?
For example, in a normal game it would be suspicious if everyone's votes just piled on one wagon. It's unlikely that he would be scum. With multiple factions things like that aren't as clear.
Just cause multiple factions doesn't mean scum still won't hop on a wagon. Anyone pushing this logic is silly. They may be less likely but still likely to do so their win con is still to lynch non-scum so they will gladly lynch any faction... Pushing this further is scummy.
On May 21 2014 06:09 WaveofShadow wrote: This is going to bed a very odd game with so many people I don't know. In other news I'm getting real sick of rolling VT in massive theme-style games (or games in general). Really fucking boring. Gonna be the same basic formula: either I suck balls and get left alive forever and get demoralized and whatnot, or I get a flash of genius and play well and get killed earlyish. The latter means I gotta try though and even then there are no guarantees. Blehhhhhhhhhhh
K so first order of business: ##vote: holyflare
Suck it. I rolled vig. Want to make sure I don't shoot you today?
OH DEAR GOD NO!
With as often as you roll scum I may just have to policy shoot you. Or maybe I'll just shoot bunnies once she calls you a role. I haven't really decided quite yet. I'm just fucking stoked.
I actually roll town more on forums it sucks cause I want to work on my scum play its pretty bad currently on the forum side of things.
I agree on being stoked I wish I had a gun it would be fun. I had one last game but it was way too stressful.
On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote: Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum.
Why does more factions = more scum? Wouldn't scum numbers stay the same to keep the ratio of scum/all players balanced?
I think BH is implying there is more non-town factions thus more chances to hit non-town. BUT not all non-town are necessarily anti-town so I think your random lynch idea is still bad. And if the game was broken by random lynch it wouldn't be much of a game. Math is fun and all but I'm here to read! Pointing this out makes you more towny mr. jamp
Lol now I'm honestly debating whether or not to seriously push this. If he's scum nobody's gonna lynch the guy so as much as I'd feel bad not letting him play, mebbe somebody shoot him or something just to remove all doubt?
I understand where the bolded logic comes from, in a normal game he wouldn't be lynched right away because scum wouldn't hop on the wagon. However in this game the same rules don't apply since there are more factions. I think it's very possible to see zero opposition wagons happen on scum.
That actually adds a pretty interesting element to the game. Connection speculation is less useful - or more precisely said more complicated.
I agree that's it's gonna be more complicated which is why I'd rather not use it as a heuristic for a D1 lynch, after we see a few flips we can start speculating again but right now I think it's more distracting than useful and we should focus on simple behavior based scum hunting.
Yeah, it's going to be very difficult to decide today's lynch based on voting patterns etc.
Since when are Day 1 lynches ever decided on voting patterns? What is this nonsense?
For example, in a normal game it would be suspicious if everyone's votes just piled on one wagon. It's unlikely that he would be scum. With multiple factions things like that aren't as clear.
Just cause multiple factions doesn't mean scum still won't hop on a wagon. Anyone pushing this logic is silly. They may be less likely but still likely to do so their win con is still to lynch non-scum so they will gladly lynch any faction... Pushing this further is scummy.
Of course there will be scum on almost any wagon. It's just that connection speculation (bussing, speed of wagons forming, etc.) are a bit less reliable than they usually are. It should be more useful to focus on individual scumminess for now.
Of fair enough I understood it to mean a giant wagon doesn't mean instantly town... reading is hard though. I agree connections won't be nearly as easy to make off early wagons. I like this follow up from you.
On May 21 2014 06:48 Steveling wrote: I will now call upon my previous town game where I was the only player to vote for scum the entire game, lmao, and I played like I didn't give a fuck, like I will do in this game.
So, for everyone who has ever played with me, you should know that I'm town as town can possibly town.
Just don't give up if someone (read: Some donkey name tehpoofter) finds you suspicious as town please!
It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be?
I may have my eye on a few people.
From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town.
I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia.
Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post.
If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why. But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.
But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.
If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.
So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk.
WoS probably town, that whiny thing about the VT thing looked legit. Just because he does it each time. Steveling also town. gutread. Poofter dnu.
On May 21 2014 06:46 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: Xatalos
AND SO IT BEGINS.
Did he do the same thing like he did in the game we have banned out of our minds?
##Vote: Xatalos
I don't know.
All I know is he's waffling repeatedly and nonsensically about the same stupid thing. That'll do for now.
What do you mean "I don't know"? You were very specific about your reasons last time. Please be more specific again.
I've been perfectly specific, especially for a vote less than an hour into the game. Afraid you'll have to put up with it, dear.
It just felt like you didn't care too much about your vote. From my previous experience with you, you're very conservative and cautious at the start as town - carefully searching for a good lynch. On the other hand, you're more aggressive and lynch-happy as scum (I don't think I've ever played with you as being scum, but I went through your earlier games in one earlier game and came to that conclusion). That's why I'm afraid that you might have rolled scum this time.
Actually historically I throw my vote around more as town, although it varies from game to game. Worry all you like dear.
I'd worry more about not talking bollocks over multiple posts if I were you ^_^
Can you tell us more about your meta so we can read you correctly?
On May 21 2014 06:46 marvellosity wrote: ##Vote: Xatalos
AND SO IT BEGINS.
Did he do the same thing like he did in the game we have banned out of our minds?
##Vote: Xatalos
I don't know.
All I know is he's waffling repeatedly and nonsensically about the same stupid thing. That'll do for now.
What do you mean "I don't know"? You were very specific about your reasons last time. Please be more specific again.
I've been perfectly specific, especially for a vote less than an hour into the game. Afraid you'll have to put up with it, dear.
It just felt like you didn't care too much about your vote. From my previous experience with you, you're very conservative and cautious at the start as town - carefully searching for a good lynch. On the other hand, you're more aggressive and lynch-happy as scum (I don't think I've ever played with you as being scum, but I went through your earlier games in one earlier game and came to that conclusion). That's why I'm afraid that you might have rolled scum this time.
Actually historically I throw my vote around more as town, although it varies from game to game. Worry all you like dear.
I'd worry more about not talking bollocks over multiple posts if I were you ^_^
Can you tell us more about your meta so we can read you correctly?
On May 21 2014 06:49 Koshi wrote: [quote] AND SO IT BEGINS.
Did he do the same thing like he did in the game we have banned out of our minds?
##Vote: Xatalos
I don't know.
All I know is he's waffling repeatedly and nonsensically about the same stupid thing. That'll do for now.
What do you mean "I don't know"? You were very specific about your reasons last time. Please be more specific again.
I've been perfectly specific, especially for a vote less than an hour into the game. Afraid you'll have to put up with it, dear.
It just felt like you didn't care too much about your vote. From my previous experience with you, you're very conservative and cautious at the start as town - carefully searching for a good lynch. On the other hand, you're more aggressive and lynch-happy as scum (I don't think I've ever played with you as being scum, but I went through your earlier games in one earlier game and came to that conclusion). That's why I'm afraid that you might have rolled scum this time.
Actually historically I throw my vote around more as town, although it varies from game to game. Worry all you like dear.
I'd worry more about not talking bollocks over multiple posts if I were you ^_^
Specify "bollocks". Nobody else seems to agree with that definition of my posts (at least I don't think so).
I've seen you start the game with a half-assed vote several times as scum. When you've been town, you're usually even overly passive/cautious to begin with. That's what I don't like here.
Find me someone who will vouch for your series of posts on voting patterns and crap deciding the Day 1 lynch actually being useful, and maybe we can talk again. Toddle along now ^_^
MZ and Tehpoofter I think mentioned that they liked what I said on the topic. Not that it was something über-useful, but definitely not "bollocks". Lol
While I may have agreed with you xata, my post on the subject was actually trying to get people to drop it so it wouldn’t clutter the thread. Of course then people went and made it a thing -_-
The part about reading him correctly was sarcasm but he is offering up his own meta to defend himself which is frankly silly. Maybe if it was something someone else brought up then commenting on it would be good but just makes me roll my eyes this early in the game when someone says things like that.
On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote: yes please do
##unvote ##vote steveling
100% what I was expecting. Just like last game his throwing his mafia weight against mine, knowing that people will follow him obviously.
this should be a fun fight. So what is your read on HF that he is mafia? Can you share it with the class? because the start of this game and the start of last game are completely different in terms of his play. Use quotes and shit. If he is 100% lock mafia that shouldn't be hard cause he clearly left behind a paper trail right?
On May 21 2014 07:38 Blazinghand wrote: So Marv, you gotta admit, these whole steveling/holyflare thing is pretty silly and not worth your attention. What do you think about the possibility of an rng lynch in this setup? Could be good, yes?
As you're probably well aware, I've never RNGed, never supported RNG, and never will. Draw your own conclusions :p
I know you disagree with me philosophically about the usefulness of RNG, I just figured maybe in a massively multifactional setup you might find it alluring. Well, next time then!
On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote: Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum.
I was going to yell at you for the RNG nonsense but then I realized that you're right and even if you're scum, your plan has a decent chance of hitting other scum.
HOWEVER, this is my first game in forever so fuck yo RNG, I'm gonna choose my vote the old fashioned way.
Or Instead of the old fashioned homeopathic non-vaccinated way, you could use your vote in the scientifically correct way and vote OdinofPergo!
Vaccines cause autism tho
/s
seriously though, the story you're going with is "I realized you're right, and even if you're scum, your plan will probably work and we'll probably hit scum... but I'm not gonna follow your plan, because of ill-defind reasons"?
Actually yeah, I'm not even gonna argue with you. I play mafia for fun and us all picking an RNG then sitting back and seeing what happens doesn't seem fun to me. Plus I at least have enough faith in my own deduction and reasoning skills to think that I have just as good a chance of finding scum with analysis as RNG does.
Ok, so that's a reason. I will note though that historically, TL towns tend not to statistically significantly outperform RNG on D1. I'm not proposing RNG for no reason; I think lynching OdinofPergo is our best chance today. If nothing else, I guarantee that pulling this off will have two results
1) it will be legendary 2) it will cause a massive shitstorm because everyone hates RNG. this shitstorm will give us lots of things to base reads off of for D2
What reads do you hope to garner? Like based upon the lynch of Odin? Like who defends/pushes him? Why not just do that on someone who actually does something scummy. I think that I'd rather lose to being bad that win to RNG... I'm not playing a slot machine I'm playing mafia. RNG is bad and you should feel bad.
On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote: Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice
On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote: yes please do
##unvote ##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)
On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote: if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care
despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns
Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS.
Oh wait, except me.
^^^ case in point
anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng
And if this game had no newbies in it, I'd take your statistics under advisement. Also in games like 7 town 2 scum (which it ypically use) you'd expect a 25% chance of getting scum anyways, 40% is pretty close.
On May 21 2014 07:38 Blazinghand wrote: So Marv, you gotta admit, these whole steveling/holyflare thing is pretty silly and not worth your attention. What do you think about the possibility of an rng lynch in this setup? Could be good, yes?
As you're probably well aware, I've never RNGed, never supported RNG, and never will. Draw your own conclusions :p
I know you disagree with me philosophically about the usefulness of RNG, I just figured maybe in a massively multifactional setup you might find it alluring. Well, next time then!
On May 21 2014 07:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:36 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:38 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:32 Blazinghand wrote: Look, I know you guys all hate RNG lynch but with 4 factions there's gonna be way more scum than usual, right? This means RNG has a much higher chance than usual of hitting scum. This is possibly the best time EVER for using RNg. Everyone lynch OdinofPergo, because statistically speaking he is scum.
I was going to yell at you for the RNG nonsense but then I realized that you're right and even if you're scum, your plan has a decent chance of hitting other scum.
HOWEVER, this is my first game in forever so fuck yo RNG, I'm gonna choose my vote the old fashioned way.
Or Instead of the old fashioned homeopathic non-vaccinated way, you could use your vote in the scientifically correct way and vote OdinofPergo!
Vaccines cause autism tho
/s
seriously though, the story you're going with is "I realized you're right, and even if you're scum, your plan will probably work and we'll probably hit scum... but I'm not gonna follow your plan, because of ill-defind reasons"?
Actually yeah, I'm not even gonna argue with you. I play mafia for fun and us all picking an RNG then sitting back and seeing what happens doesn't seem fun to me. Plus I at least have enough faith in my own deduction and reasoning skills to think that I have just as good a chance of finding scum with analysis as RNG does.
Ok, so that's a reason. I will note though that historically, TL towns tend not to statistically significantly outperform RNG on D1. I'm not proposing RNG for no reason; I think lynching OdinofPergo is our best chance today. If nothing else, I guarantee that pulling this off will have two results
1) it will be legendary 2) it will cause a massive shitstorm because everyone hates RNG. this shitstorm will give us lots of things to base reads off of for D2
What reads do you hope to garner? Like based upon the lynch of Odin? Like who defends/pushes him? Why not just do that on someone who actually does something scummy. I think that I'd rather lose to being bad that win to RNG... I'm not playing a slot machine I'm playing mafia. RNG is bad and you should feel bad.
Why not someone else? Because RNG. RNG is the best and I feel good.
Obviously you don't really believe in the strategy. If someone thinks they're not better than RNG then they should just vote and leave the thread and come back in 48 hours and see how they did. But you clearly said you think you're a good player aka better than RNG so you don't even believe in an RNG lynch.
And I'm going to vote on who I think is scummy. Hopefully its right but even if its wrong then I will be happy that I had some influence over it and not just randomness Last time I'm commenting on this btw as its silly and unhelpful to town.
On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote: Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice
On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote: yes please do
##unvote ##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)
On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote: if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care
despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns
Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS.
Oh wait, except me.
^^^ case in point
anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng
And if this game had no newbies in it, I'd take your statistics under advisement. Also in games like 7 town 2 scum (which it ypically use) you'd expect a 25% chance of getting scum anyways, 40% is pretty close.
On May 21 2014 07:47 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:38 Blazinghand wrote: So Marv, you gotta admit, these whole steveling/holyflare thing is pretty silly and not worth your attention. What do you think about the possibility of an rng lynch in this setup? Could be good, yes?
As you're probably well aware, I've never RNGed, never supported RNG, and never will. Draw your own conclusions :p
I know you disagree with me philosophically about the usefulness of RNG, I just figured maybe in a massively multifactional setup you might find it alluring. Well, next time then!
On May 21 2014 07:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:36 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:38 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] I was going to yell at you for the RNG nonsense but then I realized that you're right and even if you're scum, your plan has a decent chance of hitting other scum.
HOWEVER, this is my first game in forever so fuck yo RNG, I'm gonna choose my vote the old fashioned way.
Or Instead of the old fashioned homeopathic non-vaccinated way, you could use your vote in the scientifically correct way and vote OdinofPergo!
Vaccines cause autism tho
/s
seriously though, the story you're going with is "I realized you're right, and even if you're scum, your plan will probably work and we'll probably hit scum... but I'm not gonna follow your plan, because of ill-defind reasons"?
Actually yeah, I'm not even gonna argue with you. I play mafia for fun and us all picking an RNG then sitting back and seeing what happens doesn't seem fun to me. Plus I at least have enough faith in my own deduction and reasoning skills to think that I have just as good a chance of finding scum with analysis as RNG does.
Ok, so that's a reason. I will note though that historically, TL towns tend not to statistically significantly outperform RNG on D1. I'm not proposing RNG for no reason; I think lynching OdinofPergo is our best chance today. If nothing else, I guarantee that pulling this off will have two results
1) it will be legendary 2) it will cause a massive shitstorm because everyone hates RNG. this shitstorm will give us lots of things to base reads off of for D2
What reads do you hope to garner? Like based upon the lynch of Odin? Like who defends/pushes him? Why not just do that on someone who actually does something scummy. I think that I'd rather lose to being bad that win to RNG... I'm not playing a slot machine I'm playing mafia. RNG is bad and you should feel bad.
Why not someone else? Because RNG. RNG is the best and I feel good.
Obviously you don't really believe in the strategy. If someone thinks they're not better than RNG then they should just vote and leave the thread and come back in 48 hours and see how they did. But you clearly said you think you're a good player aka better than RNG so you don't even believe in an RNG lynch.
And I'm going to vote on who I think is scummy. Hopefully its right but even if its wrong then I will be happy that I had some influence over it and not just randomness Last time I'm commenting on this btw as its silly and unhelpful to town.
I'm the best player in TL Mafia and I believe in RNG lynch because it's objectively the best tool. The definition of being a good player is basically using RNG lynch, in a setup like this. You don't just vote randomly and leave the thread, because most people don't do RNG lynch. You make sure everyone else follows you too. By your logic, if I have a scumread on someone, I should just vote them and leave the thread, my job is done.
Typical poof.
So lets say we had an RNG shot and a lynch. BUT you could only base one on RNG. Who do you find scummy in this thread so far that you would have to way in on for the non-RNG portion?
On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote: Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice
On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote: yes please do
##unvote ##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)
On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote: if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care
despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns
Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS.
Oh wait, except me.
^^^ case in point
anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng
And if this game had no newbies in it, I'd take your statistics under advisement. Also in games like 7 town 2 scum (which it ypically use) you'd expect a 25% chance of getting scum anyways, 40% is pretty close.
On May 21 2014 07:47 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:38 Blazinghand wrote: So Marv, you gotta admit, these whole steveling/holyflare thing is pretty silly and not worth your attention. What do you think about the possibility of an rng lynch in this setup? Could be good, yes?
As you're probably well aware, I've never RNGed, never supported RNG, and never will. Draw your own conclusions :p
I know you disagree with me philosophically about the usefulness of RNG, I just figured maybe in a massively multifactional setup you might find it alluring. Well, next time then!
On May 21 2014 07:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:36 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] Vaccines cause autism tho
/s
seriously though, the story you're going with is "I realized you're right, and even if you're scum, your plan will probably work and we'll probably hit scum... but I'm not gonna follow your plan, because of ill-defind reasons"?
Actually yeah, I'm not even gonna argue with you. I play mafia for fun and us all picking an RNG then sitting back and seeing what happens doesn't seem fun to me. Plus I at least have enough faith in my own deduction and reasoning skills to think that I have just as good a chance of finding scum with analysis as RNG does.
Ok, so that's a reason. I will note though that historically, TL towns tend not to statistically significantly outperform RNG on D1. I'm not proposing RNG for no reason; I think lynching OdinofPergo is our best chance today. If nothing else, I guarantee that pulling this off will have two results
1) it will be legendary 2) it will cause a massive shitstorm because everyone hates RNG. this shitstorm will give us lots of things to base reads off of for D2
What reads do you hope to garner? Like based upon the lynch of Odin? Like who defends/pushes him? Why not just do that on someone who actually does something scummy. I think that I'd rather lose to being bad that win to RNG... I'm not playing a slot machine I'm playing mafia. RNG is bad and you should feel bad.
Why not someone else? Because RNG. RNG is the best and I feel good.
Obviously you don't really believe in the strategy. If someone thinks they're not better than RNG then they should just vote and leave the thread and come back in 48 hours and see how they did. But you clearly said you think you're a good player aka better than RNG so you don't even believe in an RNG lynch.
And I'm going to vote on who I think is scummy. Hopefully its right but even if its wrong then I will be happy that I had some influence over it and not just randomness Last time I'm commenting on this btw as its silly and unhelpful to town.
I'm the best player in TL Mafia and I believe in RNG lynch because it's objectively the best tool. The definition of being a good player is basically using RNG lynch, in a setup like this. You don't just vote randomly and leave the thread, because most don't do RNG lynch. You make sure everyone else follows you too. By your logic, if I have a scumread on someone, I should just vote them and leave the thread, my job is done.
Typical poof.
So lets say we had an RNG shot and a lynch. BUT you could only base one on RNG. Who do you find scummy in this thread so far that you would have to way in on for the non-RNG portion?
The answer is HF but notice how the both of them refuse to comment on this. Game solved.
Only two scum? And HF isn't playing like last game so your read is bad unless you show me differently, Like I asked previously what did he do this game that makes him lock mafia? Or is just cause he told you to play better as town? Like I think you shouldn't do what you did last game as town (I'm going to try not to too cause I mishammered like a boss) but does me saying you should play differently make you think I'm auto lock town for it?
On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote: Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice
On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote: yes please do
##unvote ##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)
On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote: if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care
despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns
Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS.
Oh wait, except me.
^^^ case in point
anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng
And if this game had no newbies in it, I'd take your statistics under advisement. Also in games like 7 town 2 scum (which it ypically use) you'd expect a 25% chance of getting scum anyways, 40% is pretty close.
On May 21 2014 07:47 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:39 marvellosity wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:38 Blazinghand wrote: So Marv, you gotta admit, these whole steveling/holyflare thing is pretty silly and not worth your attention. What do you think about the possibility of an rng lynch in this setup? Could be good, yes?
As you're probably well aware, I've never RNGed, never supported RNG, and never will. Draw your own conclusions :p
I know you disagree with me philosophically about the usefulness of RNG, I just figured maybe in a massively multifactional setup you might find it alluring. Well, next time then!
On May 21 2014 07:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:36 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 06:42 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] Vaccines cause autism tho
/s
seriously though, the story you're going with is "I realized you're right, and even if you're scum, your plan will probably work and we'll probably hit scum... but I'm not gonna follow your plan, because of ill-defind reasons"?
Actually yeah, I'm not even gonna argue with you. I play mafia for fun and us all picking an RNG then sitting back and seeing what happens doesn't seem fun to me. Plus I at least have enough faith in my own deduction and reasoning skills to think that I have just as good a chance of finding scum with analysis as RNG does.
Ok, so that's a reason. I will note though that historically, TL towns tend not to statistically significantly outperform RNG on D1. I'm not proposing RNG for no reason; I think lynching OdinofPergo is our best chance today. If nothing else, I guarantee that pulling this off will have two results
1) it will be legendary 2) it will cause a massive shitstorm because everyone hates RNG. this shitstorm will give us lots of things to base reads off of for D2
What reads do you hope to garner? Like based upon the lynch of Odin? Like who defends/pushes him? Why not just do that on someone who actually does something scummy. I think that I'd rather lose to being bad that win to RNG... I'm not playing a slot machine I'm playing mafia. RNG is bad and you should feel bad.
Why not someone else? Because RNG. RNG is the best and I feel good.
Obviously you don't really believe in the strategy. If someone thinks they're not better than RNG then they should just vote and leave the thread and come back in 48 hours and see how they did. But you clearly said you think you're a good player aka better than RNG so you don't even believe in an RNG lynch.
And I'm going to vote on who I think is scummy. Hopefully its right but even if its wrong then I will be happy that I had some influence over it and not just randomness Last time I'm commenting on this btw as its silly and unhelpful to town.
I'm the best player in TL Mafia and I believe in RNG lynch because it's objectively the best tool. The definition of being a good player is basically using RNG lynch, in a setup like this. You don't just vote randomly and leave the thread, because most people don't do RNG lynch. You make sure everyone else follows you too. By your logic, if I have a scumread on someone, I should just vote them and leave the thread, my job is done.
Typical poof.
So lets say we had an RNG shot and a lynch. BUT you could only base one on RNG. Who do you find scummy in this thread so far that you would have to way in on for the non-RNG portion?
We don't have an RNg shot and a lynch though, we just have a lynch. Let's RNG it.
Dodging productive questions is dumb and scummy and you know it.
On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote: [quote] [quote]
despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns
Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS.
Oh wait, except me.
^^^ case in point
anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng
And if this game had no newbies in it, I'd take your statistics under advisement. Also in games like 7 town 2 scum (which it ypically use) you'd expect a 25% chance of getting scum anyways, 40% is pretty close.
On May 21 2014 07:47 Tehpoofter wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 21 2014 07:39 marvellosity wrote: [quote] As you're probably well aware, I've never RNGed, never supported RNG, and never will. Draw your own conclusions :p
I know you disagree with me philosophically about the usefulness of RNG, I just figured maybe in a massively multifactional setup you might find it alluring. Well, next time then!
On May 21 2014 07:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: [quote] Actually yeah, I'm not even gonna argue with you. I play mafia for fun and us all picking an RNG then sitting back and seeing what happens doesn't seem fun to me. Plus I at least have enough faith in my own deduction and reasoning skills to think that I have just as good a chance of finding scum with analysis as RNG does.
Ok, so that's a reason. I will note though that historically, TL towns tend not to statistically significantly outperform RNG on D1. I'm not proposing RNG for no reason; I think lynching OdinofPergo is our best chance today. If nothing else, I guarantee that pulling this off will have two results
1) it will be legendary 2) it will cause a massive shitstorm because everyone hates RNG. this shitstorm will give us lots of things to base reads off of for D2
What reads do you hope to garner? Like based upon the lynch of Odin? Like who defends/pushes him? Why not just do that on someone who actually does something scummy. I think that I'd rather lose to being bad that win to RNG... I'm not playing a slot machine I'm playing mafia. RNG is bad and you should feel bad.
Why not someone else? Because RNG. RNG is the best and I feel good.
Obviously you don't really believe in the strategy. If someone thinks they're not better than RNG then they should just vote and leave the thread and come back in 48 hours and see how they did. But you clearly said you think you're a good player aka better than RNG so you don't even believe in an RNG lynch.
And I'm going to vote on who I think is scummy. Hopefully its right but even if its wrong then I will be happy that I had some influence over it and not just randomness Last time I'm commenting on this btw as its silly and unhelpful to town.
I'm the best player in TL Mafia and I believe in RNG lynch because it's objectively the best tool. The definition of being a good player is basically using RNG lynch, in a setup like this. You don't just vote randomly and leave the thread, because most people don't do RNG lynch. You make sure everyone else follows you too. By your logic, if I have a scumread on someone, I should just vote them and leave the thread, my job is done.
Typical poof.
So lets say we had an RNG shot and a lynch. BUT you could only base one on RNG. Who do you find scummy in this thread so far that you would have to way in on for the non-RNG portion?
We don't have an RNg shot and a lynch though, we just have a lynch. Let's RNG it.
Dodging productive questions is dumb and scummy and you know it.
##Vote: Blazinghand
Contribute or die.
You think a newbie like you has a snowball's chance in hell of pushing a lynch on a vet like me? How cute
So you're someone who has played a lot of games yes? You claim to be good. You claim to be a vet. So help a poor helpless little newbie like myself who literally can't even spell mafai out and tell me who is scum and who I should vote for and why. Because I'm silly and like to use reason and logic for my reads. A trait no doubt I will be strip of once I garner your "Veteran" status.
I've probably played more mafia games than you. I want you to contribute and if you don't then you are useless to me and playing against my (town's) win condition.
On May 21 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote: What happened to completely ignoring BH?
BH is more likely town here. Putting himself in the spotlight of town would be stupid as mafia unless he has many partners or knows he can get multiple mislynches within the next couple of days if he has town support and it's worth his lynch.
But BH is pushing a losing cause here. He doesn't have much of support at all.
You've seen me play mafia before bunnies on video mafia I come out and just take over and do silly stuff because like BH here I think its very hard for me to get lynched as either alignment... clearly he is quite certain of himself and his playstyle so I think someone who has his persona might do something like this regardless of alignment because he can. Do you see that correlation?
For what its worth I like what you have to say about thrawn his posts so far have been nothing.
On May 21 2014 08:50 Holyflare wrote: ok look bh does this rng thing as any alignment so i suggest moving off of bh for a while
HF haha at least stop giving Steve more fuel to his HF/BH scum fire.
So who should we move onto HF?
I want to know what happened to that BKQ he came in with this post: + Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 06:47 bkqyrldp wrote: Nice. The game has just started and there is already many people I dislike. I guess that's to be expected in a game with 4 factions. Steveling is the first one for asking a neutral filler question, followed then by xatalos and marvelocity grabbing that opportunity to provide an easy fake contribution. From those 2 I dislike marvelocity the most, since xatalos was already there bantering, so I'll read less into his response for now. The other person is meapak_ziph.
On May 21 2014 06:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: wait there are four factions in this game?
Guess I might as well read the op then.
Wave that was a mighty suspicious post, sounds like you're trying to make excuses for future bad play...
He came into the thread with a weak confusion comment and something that didn't need to be said. Your post is basically the last line, which is pretty weak if your intent is to gather info from wave.
On May 21 2014 06:48 marvellosity wrote: bkjjgsdklfsdklfjskldfjklsdfjskldfjs, you don't get to speak to me until you can spell my name. Try again in 24h.
but he never addressed him or anyone else again. Like to me seems like "going to run in throw in some scum reads ask a question appear to be analyzing the thread then peace out" Have you played with him before? (this is to everyone) What is he like?
On May 21 2014 08:50 Holyflare wrote: ok look bh does this rng thing as any alignment so i suggest moving off of bh for a while
HF haha at least stop giving Steve more fuel to his HF/BH scum fire.
So who should we move onto HF?
I want to know what happened to that BKQ he came in with this post: + Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 06:47 bkqyrldp wrote: Nice. The game has just started and there is already many people I dislike. I guess that's to be expected in a game with 4 factions. Steveling is the first one for asking a neutral filler question, followed then by xatalos and marvelocity grabbing that opportunity to provide an easy fake contribution. From those 2 I dislike marvelocity the most, since xatalos was already there bantering, so I'll read less into his response for now. The other person is meapak_ziph.
On May 21 2014 06:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: wait there are four factions in this game?
Guess I might as well read the op then.
Wave that was a mighty suspicious post, sounds like you're trying to make excuses for future bad play...
He came into the thread with a weak confusion comment and something that didn't need to be said. Your post is basically the last line, which is pretty weak if your intent is to gather info from wave.
On May 21 2014 06:48 marvellosity wrote: bkjjgsdklfsdklfjskldfjklsdfjskldfjs, you don't get to speak to me until you can spell my name. Try again in 24h.
but he never addressed him or anyone else again. Like to me seems like "going to run in throw in some scum reads ask a question appear to be analyzing the thread then peace out" Have you played with him before? (this is to everyone) What is he like?
pretty sure he's a smurf and spelt marv's name wrong so unforgiveable
he's got one post so honestly no idea?
Fair enough it is just one post but I felt that if he really cared about his answers he would have stuck around at least 2-3 minutes.
Who do you think is scummy since BH gets the crazy person yelling pass from you.
On May 21 2014 08:26 27ninjabunnies wrote: What happened to completely ignoring BH?
BH is more likely town here. Putting himself in the spotlight of town would be stupid as mafia unless he has many partners or knows he can get multiple mislynches within the next couple of days if he has town support and it's worth his lynch.
But BH is pushing a losing cause here. He doesn't have much of support at all.
You've seen me play mafia before bunnies on video mafia I come out and just take over and do silly stuff because like BH here I think its very hard for me to get lynched as either alignment... clearly he is quite certain of himself and his playstyle so I think someone who has his persona might do something like this regardless of alignment because he can. Do you see that correlation?
For what its worth I like what you have to say about thrawn his posts so far have been nothing.
Yeah, you do silly stuff regardless of your alignment. But I understand what you mean.
So BH, if you are so good as you say you are, besides you pushing RNG, what reads do you have outside of that?
OdinofPergo is scum. Let's get him. Why all the resistance? What has he done this game to convince you he's town?
Odin hasn't spoken. And the resistance is because you could easily be pushing a ML on a possible role. Or even if he's vanilla town it's still a mislynch.
Like I said, I would rather lynch him based off his play. He hasn't spoken yet, but im willing to give him a chance. If he doesn't prove anything, I wouldn't be opposed to lynching him.
Well for now, why don't you vote him? He hasn't proved anything yet, and it's not like you can't unvote him later. It would help me with wrangling votes since everyone is like "yeah rng sounds good but you have no votes", i want them not to have an excuse.
Don't give them an excuse.
BH, I'm not some little newbie you can sway.
My vote will go on someone who I think is scum at the moment I place my vote, and not before.
I'm going to treat BH like Chompsy.
So bunnies what do you think of Yellow going along with the BH plan? You played with him before ya?
Also @Hapa I like what you said on Valenius he also since then just added on about BH's random lynch bs. Adding fluff onto fluff.
##Vote: Valenius
Maybe we can play mafia instead of slot machine's like BH wants to
On May 21 2014 09:14 geript wrote: Hey PoofyMcPoofkins. Just vote slam. He's 100% not going to flip town. I asked ABBA and ABBA agrees.
Just shoot him I can't read him ever in the history of ever. Also his wagon would be corrupt because its an easy bus for mafia and town who don't know how to read him (might be hesitant) but if you're sure then by the grace of ABBA fire away.
Speaking of ABBA I'm going to summoner austin: Come to us and preach to us the ways.
Also what are your feelings not on if that BKQ guy is a smurf but his alignment that post was hella scummy imo.
On May 21 2014 10:04 geript wrote: Like WTF people? We have guaranteed scum in Slam. It's a 100% read and I've never read him wrong. Hell last game he was under fire I flipped my read on him because of how well I understand his play despite Rayn being 100% against me. Like wtf. Just lynch Slam already.
Shoot him if you are 100% and lynch someone that gives us more info. Like if you're wrong on slam and he flips town we know 1) geript was wrong on slam or you were right on slam. If we lynch him then even if you're right mafia can play it off like "i didn't trust geripts read on slam" or pull out any of the number of weird things slam will post between now and EoD and mark it as a "town tell" they had wrong on him. So getting slam lynched I don't feel will garner us information.
Who else is scum besides Slam? Do you think marv is scum for real or you just shooting him cause he disagrees with you?
On May 21 2014 09:21 layabout wrote: There better be a load of smurfs cus i only know half of these names, if you dont know me please don't be a bitch about post count i am called layabout for a reason
#vote blazinghand on second thought i better read the thread first
Excuses about post count before anyone says anything about him, and a crossed vote on blazinghand (probably the most visible player so far) while pretending he hadn't read the thread.
So how did you pick Blazing there if you hadn't read the thread, layabout? RNG just falling on the most visible guy?
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And his most recent post just now has some contradictory ideas about RNG. Open to it in theory, but then lists stuff he hates about it. Mehhh.
I like you. I agree on your read on BKQ and this is a good point on layabout. Did you see Hapa's info on Valenius? + Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 07:54 Hapahauli wrote: Two things:
@ Holyflare
Why are you playing as if you have a stick up your butt?
On May 21 2014 06:22 Valenius wrote: 9 player day 1's normally confuse me. gg.
Sheep me sheeping marv. ezgame ezlife.
i thought you were hosting. wtf.
##vote: Koshi
Even though I am a divine being in this game. I ascended and joined the plebs. I don't have anything against plebs though, they are simple but amusing beings. I allow the smartest of them to call me Koshi. You can call me Master.
I might have meant descended. It is just hard for me to grasp going downwards.
It was such a nice post, I wasn't going to correct it for you.
On May 21 2014 06:49 Yell0w wrote: So about this whole RNG thing, aren't scum players more likely to vote for OdinofPergo if he isn't in their faction since they don't even need a reason to vote him? They can just claim they're doing it for RNG and get a lynch on someone who isn't aligned with them?
Wouldn't a better way be to each claim we are RNG voting, then use the RNG on the post in which we claimed it and then vote for whomever our own post said? So that there is no way to know if you're going to lynch someone of your own faction or not so it's riskier for scum to go by RNG? Maybe I'm completely wrong here.
I like that, I haven't thought it through - But I like it.
RNG V2
On May 21 2014 06:52 Valenius wrote: Actually, won't it cause the same theoretical situation, just with votes more spread?
On May 21 2014 07:33 Xatalos wrote: Why this change of heart?
Chalis (ハート Heart) is an antagonist in Golden Sun: Dark Dawn. Together with Blados, she is one of the commanders of a secretive military nation named Tuaparang.
All three are bad guys taunting us in the thread. I rest my case.
On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote: Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice
On May 21 2014 07:32 Holyflare wrote: yes please do
##unvote ##vote steveling
You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)
On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote: if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care
despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns
Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right? Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS.
Oh wait, except me.
^^^ case in point
anyway bh if you take out newbie games towns recently have a 40%+ chance of finding mafia day 1 by lynching and so it's obv far better not to rng
If you add in newbie games, we just lynch town/any claimed power roles. ezpz
6 posts, all of them a mixture of "+1'ing" other people and irrelevant comments. His filter reads a lot like someone who's artificially trying to insert himself in discussion.
##Vote: Valenius
I think the same thing on Vale and his posts seem fluffy. What do you think of them?
On May 21 2014 10:39 austinmcc wrote: Praise be unto ABBA for a new and glorious game. I'm all ready to play Personal Vendetta Mafia, where everyone picks a partner and snipes back and forth and doesn't drop it.
BH, on an actual serious note, if you will, what do you believe is the value of an RNG vote in GENERAL? Purely to have an x% chance of hitting mafia?
WoS possible mafia for posting THIS for Lazy Town
instead of this
Praise be to ABBA indeed. I'm with Marv ignore the fuck out of BH. What do you feel about the stuff Hapa/Bluedy have posted?
On May 21 2014 10:16 mtamburini wrote: cool im town read see you final 3 mafia remember I got the hammer.
Your stream of conscious post was super long please make shorter posts. So what do you think of Hf/Steve/Marv/geript some of the others seems like you just focused on people you know/have played with for the most part. I don't agree with your MZ read btw. I felt BKQ, Velanius and layabout were way scummier today.
On May 21 2014 10:57 geript wrote: @Snooglewoogle. I need the blessings of ABBA to shoot Marv. Please make the appropriate sacrifices.
Do you actually think Marv is scum or you just doing it cause he disagrees with you on slam? If you think scum is Slam and you shoot marv because you think hes cockblocking the lynch on slam that would be the most asinine play ever. Shoot who you think is lock scum lets find someone else scummy. What do you think of BKQ/Velanius/layabout?
On May 21 2014 10:53 BlueyD wrote: Wasn't so convinced by the case on Valenius when I read it. His posts weren't pretend-contributions of the scummy type, they were just obviously irrelevant.
Don't like how he follows it up with RNG-lynch talk, though. The whole thing is just a good place for scum to hide and not have to make any reads.
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On layabout: I'd like someone who knows him to confirm he always picks BH for an early vote...
I think the RNG-lynch talk plus the 1 upping is what made him scummy. Like no real thread interactions easily fabricated by scum with little effort and seeming like hes contributing without contributing.
@Everyone Read Valenius Filter (its short as fuck) and tell me why you think hes town.
@Marv you keep making comments but where are you at on reads. People say you're really good at giving reads and trying hard as town thus you die a lot n1 so who is scummy? Also anyone else can answer too but not a lot of reads going out plenty of fluff for scum to hide in ::cough:: + Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 09:11 geript wrote: Also @Hapa. Why aren't you reading me as the most obviously town in this game?
I do think you're town, but Steveling is more obvious. Ranking townies is a kinda silly game to play this early in the game though - what's important is that I'd lynch neither of you.
Also that push on HF was weird. It's like a really odd push from you.
What's strange about it? He wants to policy lynch my top town read, and someone he should know is obviously town.
It was the wording you used. Like I don't see how any response he could give would be alignment indicative whatsoever. Usually when there's 1:1 action there's more of a push in a different direction than "Why do you want to lynch obvious town?" Like usually when people step into town on town action they try to convince both sides that the other is town or convince both sides that there's confirmation bias. Anything really. If they think that it's Mafia on Town action the tend to try to get the mafia to explain their points on the subject and on others to force them into a catchable stance or mentality slip. So I find it odd that you're approaching HF like he's town (honestly who knows with him) but aren't really aiming towards Steveling at all. It's a very odd approach.
Geript talk to me about BKQ/Venalius/layabout.
I don't understand Slam's meta at all (honestly never seen him as scum so don't know the game) I agree his entrance was weird but I always think so. So lets talk about other people and if we can't hash out a better scum target I'll vote him EoD if you still read him as scum and don't want to shoot him for some reason.
I think Hapa is town here hes actually been focused on finding scum a rare trait in this thread. His HF thing I agree with HF pushing the policy on Steve makes me roll my eyes cause I was in the game hes talking about and I just see steve getting all mad and stuff and read it as town and wouldn't policy lynch someone I thought was townie.
@Ceph the questions you asked bunnies Can you detail how you would think she would answer them as town? Reading your case to me it seems like you asked the line of questions with the intent of calling her mafia at the end or at least they are questions that confirm a notion that she is scum vs going into it with a null read. I think you case is confirmation bias and I don't think bunnies is scum here. If she was mafia she would be WAY WAY WAY more careful with how much she talks/posts she wouldn't interject/interact with lots of people and your line of questions in court would be akin to "leading the witness"
On May 21 2014 09:11 geript wrote: Also @Hapa. Why aren't you reading me as the most obviously town in this game?
I do think you're town, but Steveling is more obvious. Ranking townies is a kinda silly game to play this early in the game though - what's important is that I'd lynch neither of you.
Also that push on HF was weird. It's like a really odd push from you.
What's strange about it? He wants to policy lynch my top town read, and someone he should know is obviously town.
It was the wording you used. Like I don't see how any response he could give would be alignment indicative whatsoever. Usually when there's 1:1 action there's more of a push in a different direction than "Why do you want to lynch obvious town?" Like usually when people step into town on town action they try to convince both sides that the other is town or convince both sides that there's confirmation bias. Anything really. If they think that it's Mafia on Town action the tend to try to get the mafia to explain their points on the subject and on others to force them into a catchable stance or mentality slip. So I find it odd that you're approaching HF like he's town (honestly who knows with him) but aren't really aiming towards Steveling at all. It's a very odd approach.
Geript talk to me about BKQ/Venalius/layabout.
I don't understand Slam's meta at all (honestly never seen him as scum so don't know the game) I agree his entrance was weird but I always think so. So lets talk about other people and if we can't hash out a better scum target I'll vote him EoD if you still read him as scum and don't want to shoot him for some reason.
I think Hapa is town here hes actually been focused on finding scum a rare trait in this thread. His HF thing I agree with HF pushing the policy on Steve makes me roll my eyes cause I was in the game hes talking about and I just see steve getting all mad and stuff and read it as town and wouldn't policy lynch someone I thought was townie.
BKQ read is dependent on who I think he is. I need to reread a Vivax game or two to double check but I'm thinking it's Vivax. Off the top of my head I thought he was town if Vivax but again. I'd need to meta a few games to be sure.
Neither Val nor Layabout have really stuck out. I don't hate Hapa's point on Val +1ing stuff but I don't find it exceptionally damning either. I've seen lots of bad town do that.
Course all this is without reading any of their filters so subject to change when I read them after work.
On May 21 2014 12:04 sqrtofneg1 wrote: @Ceph, I disagree on your case. I think bunnies is mafia. However, I don't think you're mafia. Although it's a bit strange you went straight for her, I think you're town. I would, however, like to see what your reads are, other than bunnies.
You disagree and think shes mafia? Why do you think that or was this a typo?
On May 21 2014 10:16 mtamburini wrote: cool im town read see you final 3 mafia remember I got the hammer.
Your stream of conscious post was super long please make shorter posts. So what do you think of Hf/Steve/Marv/geript some of the others seems like you just focused on people you know/have played with for the most part. I don't agree with your MZ read btw. I felt BKQ, Velanius and layabout were way scummier today.
I read 200 posts and felt like quoting things I thought were worth mentioning. Hf I wanna know if hes having fun yet and thinks hes going to be the best or not the best this game.
Geript I am not convinced 100% he is town but maybe a non threatening faction to town. Never played forum with him but I know in video he lurks a lot more, but he claims he has a gun so I can see the eagerness to get shit done now.
If steve is the guy going against HF he is in my bad boy list and would lynch today.
I need to read marvs filter before I can give an opinion.
Why do you no agree with MZ, what have you seen differently through your eyes?
BKQ? Not sure if that is a short form will look in filter. Velanius was the person who made the heart post right? I agree that was weird, if hes not that person that person is also weird.
Layabout would also be on the table for me that strikethrough bs vote on BH was like why the hell would u ever even post something like that. If that wasnt in my giant post it should be that was weird as fuck.
It looked like I was reading your notes that you were taking so it was boring tbh and didn't help me get a read on you.
Steve I think is town he acts like an emotional crazy person as town (his main beef with HF is from a previous game we were all in)
BKQ is the start of whoever made 1 post and his name BKQandabunchofrandomletters. Velanius was someone else but I've tabled him for now. The scum in this thread is Yellow
@Sqrt Look at what Yellow has said since then. Hes super on board with the random lynch and gives up on his idea. He throws dirt on Steve when someone comes in and tells him to stop shitting up the thread (I think steve is town so no on that) + Show Spoiler +
Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone?
this is the part of your case where you assume something completely wild and out of the blue cephiro that is so off tangent to the original question that it doesn't make sense and then the rest of your case is entirely based off of this
How is not considering the possibility of someone voting on you being scum completely wild? She literally ignores the possibility of me being scum voting on her, as proved by her own thought process. They were my first posts in the game and I instantly pressured/attacked her. And she didn't even think of the possibility of me being scum. Like literally, all her responses screamed that I was town to her. There is no way she could be that sure I am town by just exchanging a post or two with her by that stage.
Care to elaborate on your reasoning why it's a completely wild assumption and debunks the whole case?
The problem is there are multiple scum factions, you could both be scum and not know it.
This screams of TMI like how do you know there are multiple scum factions could be town + scum + third party shenanigans?
@yellow I voted you because of the above and other minor interjections where you're saying "wow that looks scummy of you" basically nudging a wagon into happening instead of actually pressuring someone with voting and a case sounds more like you're pointing people to be like "hey look boys X did something scummy what do we do?" like a not get your hands dirty type of play.
On May 21 2014 12:02 Tehpoofter wrote: @Ceph the questions you asked bunnies Can you detail how you would think she would answer them as town? Reading your case to me it seems like you asked the line of questions with the intent of calling her mafia at the end or at least they are questions that confirm a notion that she is scum vs going into it with a null read. I think you case is confirmation bias and I don't think bunnies is scum here. If she was mafia she would be WAY WAY WAY more careful with how much she talks/posts she wouldn't interject/interact with lots of people and your line of questions in court would be akin to "leading the witness"
What do you think of BKQ/Velanius/Yellow?
Yeah, I can provide analysis on that in a moment. The line of questions was not done with the initial thought of calling her mafia, but with one to affirm if my suspicions on her were correct. Which is exactly the reason they are put the way they are. I also tell you my expectation for each answer if she was mafia, and turns out she replies pretty much the way I expected her to.
What should she have answered to be TOWN? Like i see you did that thing as mafia but if you ask a question and there are no right answers the questions are flawed. I think thats how you played this interaction. Yellow is the first one to analyse btw. And just for the record glad you're not just making one giant post and fucking off like the other games we've played. Coming out swinging I like although I don't like this post
On May 21 2014 09:11 geript wrote: Also @Hapa. Why aren't you reading me as the most obviously town in this game?
I do think you're town, but Steveling is more obvious. Ranking townies is a kinda silly game to play this early in the game though - what's important is that I'd lynch neither of you.
Also that push on HF was weird. It's like a really odd push from you.
What's strange about it? He wants to policy lynch my top town read, and someone he should know is obviously town.
well you know.... that's the jist of a policy lynch, it's a policy.
It's also batshit retarded.
Who do you actually think is mafia?
yellow for his contradiction and only talking about rng, regardless of what people said about him in previous games, that contradiction is just too wild and looks like fitting into the flow of the game at the time
slam for his too serious to be town attitude, asking me about yellow and saying nothing about it and then going into defensive mode and agreeing with geripts meta
probably bkraltlyyl if it's vivax which i'm leaning heavily towards
He does deserve much more pressure youll get a better read of him, but he did do this shit last game and I tunneled on him hard to find him towny in 2 days
Tambo pop a Clariton or Benedryll then go read Yellow's post and tell me what you think.
@bunnies READ YELLOW is that how he plays as town? anyone else that saw that newbie game he was just in. Was a he someone who kinda threw out nudges of someone being mafia/scummy? He felt more laid back to me but I didn't read the whole thread. It seems super scummy to me.
Austin: You had the ABBA like read on Oats last game I'm getting a tingly sensation about Yellow can you comment on that?
On May 21 2014 12:13 Holyflare wrote: should be obvious/will be obvious
Hint: It's never obvious (or I suppose 'too obvious' which is why you always win as scum)
How could you ever go about proving you are town? Ever? Even in games as scum you play supertown and lynch your scumbuddies and win. There is nothing you can do to alleviate my fears which is why you die today.
You will be the sacrifice this town needs to proceed.
We're not lynching Holyflare today. You will not have much success in mafia lynching people with a 4 page filter ~6 hours into the game.
Talk about some of the other good candidates up on the block.
There are those who will try to sway me from my mission. There are those who lead the true believers astray from the path.
But srsly Hapa you think filter is in any way indicative of HF's town v scumplay? I ruv u and all, but have you seen this guy play? He is a liability waayyyyy more often than he is an asset to town and he can and will singlehandedly win games for his team. It is not a chance I want to take, so unless you can find some conclusive reason as to why we should not be lynching HF today then don't bother.
You're letting your paranoia run wild. Relax and talk about realistic and useful things. No one's going to listen to you if your justification for lynching Holyflare is because you worship his scumplay.
Besides if he wants to bus his whole team thats fine let him at it! Makes things easier for us
On May 21 2014 12:45 austinmcc wrote: Hf, do YOU think the 180 actually matters? And is there any pro-scum reason?
in the context of the thread it's following the flow of the game and merging with what people are talking about so yes, it's entirely plausible that someone new would do that
He also was around reading the thread chiming up then me and HF pushed on him and he asked for why I voted and gave reasons on him and he hasn't responded.
I think his later posts are far more damning than his earlier stuff with the RNG I think the nudging of wagons to start vs starting them yourself or building a case is more mafia.
@ foolishness/mattchew After you read a couple of the filters can you give a list of where you stand? Only responding by asking questions is lazy. Also I consider asking you guys to label who is posting what then realized Mattchew's signature will be the one with multiple cusswords.
On May 21 2014 12:53 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm not anywhere on yellow.
slam could be mafia and geript could be town
No where as in hes null or no where as in you haven't read him? What about me and HF for accusing him how does our push look like? from townie or mafia or w.e. side?
On May 21 2014 12:47 Hapahauli wrote: Honestly ceph, I read that and my eyes just glaze over. Normally I find your analysis quite good, but this just seems like an absurdly technical case that makes a few too many assumptions about certain posts.
For example, I can't figure out how her posts some how assume that you're town. I've read that conversation repeatedly, and it just seems like you're reading into it waaaaay too much.
Hes tunneling something which I respect but if he can't wake up and give reads on someone else he's not going to be very useful.
@Ceph I think your case is full of bias can you read some other people in the game for a couple hours then come back later and reread bunnies and see if you're still in the same spot I think a fresh set of eyes would help.
On May 21 2014 12:23 Tehpoofter wrote: What should she have answered to be TOWN? Like i see you did that thing as mafia but if you ask a question and there are no right answers the questions are flawed. I think thats how you played this interaction. Yellow is the first one to analyse btw. And just for the record glad you're not just making one giant post and fucking off like the other games we've played. Coming out swinging I like although I don't like this post
Alright, so again. The questions weren't aimed to directly affirm her as mafia or town, but her thought process.
The first question was about if she thinks ahead or not. Whether she does or not doesn't make her mafia or town.
The second question was to see her thought process if she thought ahead (because the first question made me assured she doesn't, not too far at least.).
If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me.
The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted.
This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you.
So again, why are you reading me as mafia?
The main point here is the interaction between the first and last statement. It can easily be seen that she thinks that I consider her mafia, which is correct.
Now, you're in a situation where a player is voting on you, asking you questions, since they think you are mafia.
1) Why would you at this point be fairly certain about that player being town, and not point out the possibility of him being scum? 2) Why is your first thought to find the reasons why you are suspected?
If I am scum in that situation, my first thought (if I don't know already) is the reason why I'm being suspected. Even if I salvage the situation, if I'm dumb enough to make the mistake again, I will get #rekt. Which is why
Step 1) Identify the reason you are being suspected Step 2) Prove why that reason is invalid Step 3) Ascertain your position by providing pro-town (or pro-town looking) content Step 4) Mislynch townies
If I'm town and I'm being called scum, I instantly know it's because:
1) Someone is making conclusions that might be logical, but still untrue 2) Scum is pushing me for mislynch, or just trying to discredit my thread presence.
Her thoughts are much more aligned with the way a scum thinks in this situation (in my opinion).
The third question is to affirm that she isn't of the downplaying kind = she doesn't intentionally hide information to make herself look a worse player than what she is. Rather the opposite, she talks about how confident she is in her mafia-playing abilities. This makes me not believe her claims of having really thought ahead (which again is irrelevant, her response on the other hand is relevant.).
These factors combined with the rest of her play like I pointed out, make me feel strongly certain about her being mafia rather than town. If you feel like I didn't elaborate on a point enough, do say and I'll explain further.
I routinely read people as town when I'm town for thinking I did something scummy and noticing it. Especially if its something I think I do as scum more than town. This game for example in Mtamb's notes that he decided to post and break my mouse wheel he pointed out that I make jokes and am more trolly and was reading me more mafia from it (a tell he has on me in Video mafia) He clearly is trying to make a correlation between someone he knows and how they play and how they might play this game. This to me makes me think Tambo is coming from a town mindset. So I disagree that just because she reads you as town she is scum.
On May 21 2014 13:07 geript wrote: Hey Banks... Why are you reading BlueyD as town? He had a really scummy post I saw in skimming while working. I just don't see the towniness (granted no filtering).
His first post was what I was thinking at the time. He was suspicious of BKQ I was the only one really talking about it (still am probably but he has one post so I understand) He also has the same feeling's on Ceph's case as me. Someone who is reading people similar to me @ the time I'm reading them they get read as town by me. You should read his filter its all about things going on and who he thinks is scum adn the current thread topics. I'd love to see more but its not a long filter so he gets town from me
On May 21 2014 12:23 Tehpoofter wrote: What should she have answered to be TOWN? Like i see you did that thing as mafia but if you ask a question and there are no right answers the questions are flawed. I think thats how you played this interaction. Yellow is the first one to analyse btw. And just for the record glad you're not just making one giant post and fucking off like the other games we've played. Coming out swinging I like although I don't like this post
Alright, so again. The questions weren't aimed to directly affirm her as mafia or town, but her thought process.
The first question was about if she thinks ahead or not. Whether she does or not doesn't make her mafia or town.
The second question was to see her thought process if she thought ahead (because the first question made me assured she doesn't, not too far at least.).
Her reply:
If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me.
The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted.
This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you.
So again, why are you reading me as mafia?
The main point here is the interaction between the first and last statement. It can easily be seen that she thinks that I consider her mafia, which is correct.
Now, you're in a situation where a player is voting on you, asking you questions, since they think you are mafia.
1) Why would you at this point be fairly certain about that player being town, and not point out the possibility of him being scum? 2) Why is your first thought to find the reasons why you are suspected?
If I am scum in that situation, my first thought (if I don't know already) is the reason why I'm being suspected. Even if I salvage the situation, if I'm dumb enough to make the mistake again, I will get #rekt. Which is why
Step 1) Identify the reason you are being suspected Step 2) Prove why that reason is invalid Step 3) Ascertain your position by providing pro-town (or pro-town looking) content Step 4) Mislynch townies
If I'm town and I'm being called scum, I instantly know it's because:
1) Someone is making conclusions that might be logical, but still untrue 2) Scum is pushing me for mislynch, or just trying to discredit my thread presence.
Her thoughts are much more aligned with the way a scum thinks in this situation (in my opinion).
The third question is to affirm that she isn't of the downplaying kind = she doesn't intentionally hide information to make herself look a worse player than what she is. Rather the opposite, she talks about how confident she is in her mafia-playing abilities. This makes me not believe her claims of having really thought ahead (which again is irrelevant, her response on the other hand is relevant.).
These factors combined with the rest of her play like I pointed out, make me feel strongly certain about her being mafia rather than town. If you feel like I didn't elaborate on a point enough, do say and I'll explain further.
I routinely read people as town when I'm town for thinking I did something scummy and noticing it. Especially if its something I think I do as scum more than town. This game for example in Mtamb's notes that he decided to post and break my mouse wheel he pointed out that I make jokes and am more trolly and was reading me more mafia from it (a tell he has on me in Video mafia) He clearly is trying to make a correlation between someone he knows and how they play and how they might play this game. This to me makes me think Tambo is coming from a town mindset. So I disagree that just because she reads you as town she is scum.
I don't think Tambo pushing that line of reasoning is in any way alignment indicative for him. I actually find it pretty odd that you push that. I will say that Banks is right in that her not finding her accuser automatically scummy doesn't mean she's scum. I've seen her not push on her accuser on video at least 3-4 times and that's just counting from D1.
I wanted an example from this game and that part was something not anyone really has called me scummy this game so I had to go with what I had to work with I agree though on Ceph. What do you think this push says of Ceph's alignment?
On May 21 2014 13:56 BlueyD wrote: I don’t like that the case on mtamburini seems to rely on a single post. It’s a really bad post due to format and scope, but the rest of the filter reads okay.
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Yellow’s is just... -a lot of rng discussion with very few reads, -that switch from “BH’s method doesn’t work well” to “okay let’s do it”, and the general fact he’s for rng lynch -mentions the fact that there are multiple scum factions twice and seems to think it’s important. - and there’s at least one gem of defensive thought right here:
On May 21 2014 06:57 Xatalos wrote: If most players randomed their votes separately, it would just end up with scum getting to choose their preferred lynch. LMAO
I disagree, if most people randomed their votes, the ones who didn't would instantly look scummy and we could lynch them tomorrow. Everyone would RNG their votes if most people did it, because they'd know how bad it would make them look otherwise.
Don’t see a better option at the moment, so...
## Vote Yellow
@Geript ^^^This is why BlueyD is town same as Hapa skips the bullshit and tries to hunt scum.
I want to hear from SQRT again about Yellow he read him early and hadn't revisited it earlier.
On May 21 2014 13:53 WaveofShadow wrote: What are people's thoughts on this bunnies character? I'm too lazy to go back and read the million posts/opinions stated thus far but first instincts tell me that anyone this excruciatingly tryhard is probably town. Cephiro had some wall on her I think...what was the TL;DR?
cephiros tl:dr
bunnies responses didn't account for his questioning and vote being from mafia because she knew he was town
no idea until she starts posting more reads on other people though because i don't agree with the ceph thing
Why is this yellow train (or any train) so hard to get started? No one has had more than 3 votes I don't think all game. I'm going to do a ghetto vote count in a second cause there hasn't been one in awhile.
On May 21 2014 13:53 WaveofShadow wrote: What are people's thoughts on this bunnies character? I'm too lazy to go back and read the million posts/opinions stated thus far but first instincts tell me that anyone this excruciatingly tryhard is probably town. Cephiro had some wall on her I think...what was the TL;DR?
cephiros tl:dr
bunnies responses didn't account for his questioning and vote being from mafia because she knew he was town
no idea until she starts posting more reads on other people though because i don't agree with the ceph thing
Why is this yellow train (or any train) so hard to get started? No one has had more than 3 votes I don't think all game. I'm going to do a ghetto vote count in a second cause there hasn't been one in awhile.
Calm your tits, hun. It's been 8 hours.
Its just interesting to me. Maybe because typical town leaders aren't doing their thing. And I know its only been 8 hours only 40 more to go!!! Also I very rarely get into a thread this early
Who should I read after I finish making a ghetto vote count?
On May 21 2014 14:13 geript wrote: Does nobody else find it odd that there aren't more people willing or wanting to lynch Slam. Like so far it's really just Myself , Kush and kinda HF. Like Mafia usually love joining his bandwagon. Why isn't that happening?
This is why I think you should shoot him. Cause he will just be lynched ez mode either way. I can't read him so I'm not reading him and there is a large chunk of people that haven't played with him I think. And you have to admit the Slam "meta" is far different than ANYONE else.
@Thrawn I understand that day 1 is a minefield of crazy shit but not putting yourself out there is not pro town even fi you happen to be wrong ab unch on day 1 who cares at least you're trying ot figure the game out. How is someone suppose to read you when you don't say anything or even try until the end of d1 if everyone played like you it would be hella boring and we might as well hop on the crazy train with BH
When does europe wake up we need more people in the thread. Who is around to talk?
On May 21 2014 14:38 geript wrote: This is going to sound really weird but it really bugs me that the best line in the game was delivered to Marv not From Marv. Like he's been petulant and dismissive, but usually when he's like that there's some valuable snarkiness there for everyone to enjoy. This game that's really been lacking.
I agree I feel MArv has played kinda lazy this game or something. Is that how he plays mafia?
Currently Holyflare is set to be lynched. Deadline is in .
Remember: Voting is mandatory and has to be done in the Voting Thread.
I was almost done writing this up myself... damnit. Thanks though
@geript I don't hate those reads. Who is Onegu? And How do you not think Hapa is town?
@Thrawn there was a case posted on you... why afk after that?
Town Hapa is usually far more active and idk, driving. It's like he's playing from the backseat this game. Usually as mafia he struggle to post and becomes obv scum because of who/how he pushes. Like I don't hate all of who he's interested in, but I expect a whole lot more especially since I think all his finals are over. Like I've just never seen this. "Back seat" Hapa before and am not quite sure what to make of it.
Like every post by him has been pushing on someone he thinks is scummy thus far.
On May 21 2014 14:40 Tehpoofter wrote: @Thrawn I understand that day 1 is a minefield of crazy shit but not putting yourself out there is not pro town even fi you happen to be wrong ab unch on day 1 who cares at least you're trying ot figure the game out. How is someone suppose to read you when you don't say anything or even try until the end of d1 if everyone played like you it would be hella boring and we might as well hop on the crazy train with BH
When does europe wake up we need more people in the thread. Who is around to talk?
I am.
Hi.
Vote Steveling.
You were in last game remember how we misslynched steve for playing like he did and reacting like he did to HF? How can you think this isn't similar town?
On May 21 2014 14:40 Alakaslam wrote: I am sort of but not long. Just finished making the newbie sorry kita
IS geript right? Why is he wrong?
Do you have reads on Yellow? Hf/Steve? Austin aka ABBA? Cephs case on bunnies? Bunnies case on thrawn?
He isn't because I am town and sometimes I feel like reading the game to further enhance my trolling/joking around and because I do actually enjoy thinking about whether or not something is alignment indicative.
KK can you answer the other stuff if you're reading
On May 21 2014 14:40 Tehpoofter wrote: @Thrawn I understand that day 1 is a minefield of crazy shit but not putting yourself out there is not pro town even fi you happen to be wrong ab unch on day 1 who cares at least you're trying ot figure the game out. How is someone suppose to read you when you don't say anything or even try until the end of d1 if everyone played like you it would be hella boring and we might as well hop on the crazy train with BH
When does europe wake up we need more people in the thread. Who is around to talk?
I am.
Hi.
Vote Steveling.
You were in last game remember how we misslynched steve for playing like he did and reacting like he did to HF? How can you think this isn't similar town?
The circumstances of that game were entirely different. Steveling had a huge air of superiority about him and even towards the end I thought he was town (damn you HF).
Steveling is playing nothing like he did in Glory. He's pandering to people, making them feel good and trying to get them to ignore him. You absolutely, 100% should lynch him today.
KK I disagree with you though I mean I don't see him "ignoring" people. Can you quote a post where he has done this? I'm gonna look at his filter in a second but I haven't seen that. He isn't pushing lynches though (he voted HF) and isn't trying to get people to vote that.
Why should I vote STeve over Yellow? Who is your 2nd choice?
On May 21 2014 14:40 Alakaslam wrote: I am sort of but not long. Just finished making the newbie sorry kita
IS geript right? Why is he wrong?
Do you have reads on Yellow? Hf/Steve? Austin aka ABBA? Cephs case on bunnies? Bunnies case on thrawn?
He isn't because I am town and sometimes I feel like reading the game to further enhance my trolling/joking around and because I do actually enjoy thinking about whether or not something is alignment indicative.
KK can you answer the other stuff if you're reading
@Marv can you explain a bit more about what you think on Thrawn? I have a hard time reading his normally small fitler.
@Everyone Can we agree to call the scummy smurf BKQ (the first three letters of his vomit of a name) just for consitancy.
@Koshi what is your read on Ceph/bunnies involving the case he had on her earlier?
@Xat you said his points were directed at scum hunting. Can you look at his first post here + Show Spoiler +
On May 21 2014 06:47 bkqyrldp wrote: Nice. The game has just started and there is already many people I dislike. I guess that's to be expected in a game with 4 factions. Steveling is the first one for asking a neutral filler question, followed then by xatalos and marvelocity grabbing that opportunity to provide an easy fake contribution. From those 2 I dislike marvelocity the most, since xatalos was already there bantering, so I'll read less into his response for now. The other person is meapak_ziph.
On May 21 2014 06:13 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: wait there are four factions in this game?
Guess I might as well read the op then.
Wave that was a mighty suspicious post, sounds like you're trying to make excuses for future bad play...
He came into the thread with a weak confusion comment and something that didn't need to be said. Your post is basically the last line, which is pretty weak if your intent is to gather info from wave.
What's up Marv, steve, MZ?
and its time in the thread? Like at face value its a good post BUT marv answers his question literally a minute later and he is gone for hours... I don't think he even readdressed these reads later. He's not follow up on them probably because he didn't care about the answers. Also what do you think of Yellow?
Also Austin if there is an ABBA cult I would like to submit an application regardless of how its aligned I will fight for ABBA.
I'm tempted to just sheep this guy until I'm more sure Hapa is town. Poofter most certainly is not "classical" mafia this game and all his reads look pretty sensible. And I'll let him off with my name because he's clearly just trolling me, which is mildly acceptable in this case.
On May 21 2014 21:10 Koshi wrote: I think Poofter is the towniest town in this game. 4 page filter. Natural conversation. Pushing things forward. Jokes. 4 page filter Also this:
Also Austin if there is an ABBA cult I would like to submit an application regardless of how its aligned I will fight for ABBA.
It is everything good combined. Good reads because I don't bluntly disagree with any of them. Jokes. Pro town stuff.
Cav on the other hand. He is so tense this game. And his read on Steve is so boring. He entered the thread too assertive. Then he was angry at Cephiro. Ten meta townreaded Holyflare because another game he did the same. Then he tunneled Steve, but it might have started with asking thread permission.
Why did I have to be town this game like my pockets would be full!
On May 21 2014 21:56 Xatalos wrote: Not sure what to think about Yell0w yet. He's oddly focused on the RNG stuff and not much else. He did point out that Slam was scummy for doing what he does as town. I kind of get what he's getting at there (doing something according to your town meta after being pressured about your meta), still it's WIFOM and not really a good basis for thinking that Slam is scum.
Ignore the 2nd half of the question I asked you in the previous post. To me what he did with Slam/Geript felt like mud slinging like seeing if what he said would really get someone scum read imo. One of the reasons my vote is on him.
On May 21 2014 21:27 Koshi wrote: After going over the playerlist I noticed that everybody in this game already said stuff except Onegu and Odin. Even stuff that I remember and I went pretty fast through the thread.
I only forgot about layabout and MysteryMeat. MysteryMeat is plynchy only.
Layabout on the other hand. Could be a scummer.
Can you explain why layabout is scummier? I thought his post stood out I'm surprised you forgot but I agree he is scummy.
Also on your Cav case is he scummy because of his push on Steve only in your eyes? Why is MysteryMeat a plynchy <<<not sure what that word means tbh.
On May 21 2014 21:57 Tehpoofter wrote: @Marv can you explain a bit more about what you think on Thrawn? I have a hard time reading his normally small fitler.
Koshi just sheeping me even on my townreads you see.
There's nothing else I can say about thrawn other than what I've said. He's not done much alignment indicative except I liked what he pointed out about ridoky's post. That's it. Wait and see
Fair enough I just worry with thrawns play every time in a game that his mafia play won't differ much from town he is setup well to skate by as mafia. Also I spelled your name wrong to troll you you were correct.
On May 22 2014 08:06 Tehpoofter wrote: Praise ABBA I have returned Glad to see all this activity while I slept
Catching up now while leaving this page open.
Anything I needs to know? Who is around?
Scumeling claimed to be Jafar in Aladdin 2. Clearly is a djinn that needs to be lynched. Also it's obvious that he's mafia because I can summarize his useful content as:
I bought Civ 5 on Wed and haven't seen sunlight until I had to work tonight.
On Page 86 catching up at work. I'll try to keep the front page refreshed while tab reading the other.
Anyone have some cliffs on what has been going on? I read the relevant posts on deaths did we really do a RNG lynch on Odin? + Show Spoiler +
Only good part is now I can just link this game if donkey BH or anyone else requests it in the future.
Night deaths were weird from where I was when I left the thread (around page 80) Koshi seemed town but I guess third party so thats good assuming he didn't win with town. BKQ was a mafia read and MZ I had as town anyone claim a shot on any of them?
On May 24 2014 07:51 Tehpoofter wrote: So I'm behind. + Show Spoiler +
I bought Civ 5 on Wed and haven't seen sunlight until I had to work tonight.
On Page 86 catching up at work. I'll try to keep the front page refreshed while tab reading the other.
Anyone have some cliffs on what has been going on? I read the relevant posts on deaths did we really do a RNG lynch on Odin? + Show Spoiler +
Only good part is now I can just link this game if donkey BH or anyone else requests it in the future.
Night deaths were weird from where I was when I left the thread (around page 80) Koshi seemed town but I guess third party so thats good assuming he didn't win with town. BKQ was a mafia read and MZ I had as town anyone claim a shot on any of them?
Im like 80% going to buy that game and its killing me inside because I need the money for school LOL. But it reminds me of my AOE 3 days but more complicated and interesting which I like. When Ill have the time to sit down for 5+ hours though beats me.
You won't need the money for school because you'll forget you need to go. Also Girls don't play video games so not sure why you would buy it.
Who should I focus on in your opinion tambo? Who is the scum?
On May 24 2014 07:51 Tehpoofter wrote: So I'm behind. + Show Spoiler +
I bought Civ 5 on Wed and haven't seen sunlight until I had to work tonight.
On Page 86 catching up at work. I'll try to keep the front page refreshed while tab reading the other.
Anyone have some cliffs on what has been going on? I read the relevant posts on deaths did we really do a RNG lynch on Odin? + Show Spoiler +
Only good part is now I can just link this game if donkey BH or anyone else requests it in the future.
Night deaths were weird from where I was when I left the thread (around page 80) Koshi seemed town but I guess third party so thats good assuming he didn't win with town. BKQ was a mafia read and MZ I had as town anyone claim a shot on any of them?
Im like 80% going to buy that game and its killing me inside because I need the money for school LOL. But it reminds me of my AOE 3 days but more complicated and interesting which I like. When Ill have the time to sit down for 5+ hours though beats me.
You won't need the money for school because you'll forget you need to go. Also Girls don't play video games so not sure why you would buy it.
Who should I focus on in your opinion tambo? Who is the scum?
The amount of hatred of you, bunnies, and geript BLIND my vision.
Based on shit thats happened since d2 start I dont know who to look at. Hapa brought up a decent case IMO about rikoty with him giving reads on me as scum but then slowly moving away from it without much reason (there should not be any reason as I did not really do anything IMO to change anyones minds about me yesterday.) He also never voted for me and only voted for layabout who was in his last scum reads with WOS if im nto mistaken. Look at what hapa has said about it i think its 2 or 3 pages back.
Roger I remember liking hapa so makes sense I'll look for it.. You should proabbly figure out who to look at though I mean there has to be some scum in the game. Also <3 u2 bbygirl.
Bleh. I read hf claim and the Austin answer. Odd way to answer if Austin is mafia. Is claiming 3p common in this type of setup? Personally the fact that Austin answers then immediately goes back to looking for scum makes me think he is not anti town or he would be more concerned with self preservation. I am really tired and only read things once but I feel with where I'm caught up to in the thread tambo is my pick she hasn't tried to scum hunt all game and eod was really bad. I'll set an alarm so hopefully I'm here eod.
If Austin is telling the truth were missing mafia for two days. I'm out of touch in the thread so I know my voice counts for little but the way Austin acted doesn't seem like caught scum to me.
I like hte idea of the 4 competing factions each trying to catch the one in front of them making like a circle Mercury > Venus > Jupiter > Mars > Mercury so there was a possibility of joint Mercury/Jupiter wins and Venus/Mars wins correct?
This game though the odds of having a perfect scum game where town is reduced super fast was really low. Was 17-6 still with 4 factions still up but at most 2 people in each faction and only 2 having KP. It would have been interesting to see the next night if 3+ kp came back and suddenly mercury was shooting again
Town could have used some alignment cop and maybe a jailer or something instead of just immune vets because if one of them got lynched and spilled the beans on their role or did was slam did it was worth it to try and just shoot thme and recruit outside.
On May 27 2014 07:05 Koshi wrote: You shot your competition aka perfect shot. Jeez. so bm. Did you catch me or how did this happen?
Its okay Koshi I was going to take it home for mercury. Those Venus/Mars scrubs stood no chance! Jupiter was okay though.
I saw bro. Was totes rooting for you. Great townread aka recruiting. I would have went for doc and then reviver like you also considered for a second but in this set-up your idea was better.
4 recruiters is kinda too much I think.
Your idea was wayyyy better. KP > everything.
Yeah no reason to be needing the medic if you're the only one with 3 guns
I was totes going to take it home for you after shooting you in YOSO. I think Blueyd was a good recruit too.
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I mean I don't see him "ignoring" people. Can you quote a post where he has done this? I'm gonna look at his filter in a second but I haven't seen that. He isn't pushing lynches though (he voted HF) and isn't trying to get people to vote that. 
