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On May 26 2014 09:02 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2014 08:56 Erandorr wrote:
All right fuck this. I am playing like shit because I can't be bothered to read through all of this crap. A fun fact is that THIS IS HELPING SCUM WIN. If people are not using any filters at all while posting and all stay at the same shit tier level it gets insanely frustrating to differentiate between godawful shit posting and actual scummy people. It is still possible, but really not much fun at all. Can people just think for a minute about what they are writing? I saw an entire page posted by someone here. No one else, just him posting 2 liners. Not only is that fucking annoying to look at, it also makes everything so much harder to follow. You wanna check someones filter and its literally 22 pages of posts at night 2. And mabye half those posts contain anything even remotely interesting.
I do not exclude myself from this , I have tried to make some points but to be honest I have not even bothered to read most of this mess. People like Foolishness sort of did not even try to keep up, and you cannot even fault him for that because its a legitimate excuse in this game. If that is the general behaviour, you encourage the bad guys to hide in that exact same shitty pattern. I have seen like 5 people post "well he looks scummy but what can you do everyone does"
I feel like I am the guy who started to get drunk too late and his usually much more responsible friends are all so fucked up that you have to start behaving like a grown up.
It's not just you who has to go through everything. There are people who have been sifting through filters. Trying to find scum. But i dont see much complaining from them. I get it. It's a huge game. But what do you expect from 30 something people. I gave my opinion, just like you have given yours. I really hope you become more active though. Frankly a hell of a lot less posts and a hell of a lot more content. Our day 1 this game was significantly bigger than the 80 player game day 1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/285690-tl-mafia-xlvii?page=92#1823. I know things have changed a bit since i stopped playing but this is retarded. tbh i am suprised slam didn't get warned for his "oh god i got shot" raping of the thread. I remember when i was just browsing tl and i stumbled across this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/282366-steamship-liquidia-tl-mafia-46 . Something about it grabbed me said shit for reasons and were held accountable. They made cases some of which were silly or convoluted but there were clear tings to focus on and deal with. Now it's super contrived mechanics and irc posting.
Is this really what tl is now?
/end rant
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naw rito says bunny has magic power (blue or mafia) or was visited*
bunny claims vanilla town.
so bunny is mafia or was targeted by mafia or a blue that hasn't said they visit bunnies (which given what we know they should have)
or rito is lying or was messed with
and that is regardless of rito's alignment
*one of the least helpful town** information roles*** imaginable in a closed setup
**but one that is super strong for mafia since it allows them to bluehunt and other team hunt
***presumably the visiting doesn't include rito himself
actually yeah how does rito's role make any sense as town?
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On May 26 2014 12:05 geript wrote:
The last Greymist game had a town role that gave checks based on what the character was from: eg biblical character, of this world, not of this world, etc. I don't find " touched by magic " to be an impossible town role. Explain that Laya.
I don't want to talk about this at night
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geript hasn't claimed his shot in this time period, another thing that doesn't add up if he is a town vig.
if his shot goes through it has to be mafia kp
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steveling tell me protected rito since he is pretty much a dt
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no fucking way would a town vig not shoot night 1, geripts excuse is total bull.
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On May 27 2014 04:58 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 04:54 layabout wrote:
geript hasn't claimed his shot in this time period, another thing that doesn't add up if he is a town vig.
if his shot goes through it has to be mafia kp It depends on the flavor of the kill.
show me where it says that
and that wouldn't change any of the many reasons geript is a liar
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On May 27 2014 05:01 Steveling wrote:
Does that mean we are 4 town less?
For fucks sake.
multiple factions working like austins would render playing the game totally pointless
+ Show Spoiler +yay! i guessed they would shoot rito
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yeah there is absolutely nowhere in shoapi's posts that mention kill flavor is relevant it's a shaky and kinda pointless assumption you are making.
in fact:
Clues:
There are no clues.
now cut it out
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On May 27 2014 05:03 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 05:02 layabout wrote:On May 27 2014 04:58 Cavalinho wrote:On May 27 2014 04:54 layabout wrote:
geript hasn't claimed his shot in this time period, another thing that doesn't add up if he is a town vig.
if his shot goes through it has to be mafia kp It depends on the flavor of the kill. show me where it says that and that wouldn't change any of the many reasons geript is a liar Geript either isn't a vig or got roleblocked again. Time to start asking questions.
he said he did't shoot n1 not that he was roleblocked read the game
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The thing with clue type stuff is that it's presence has to be made clear by the hosts.
That's why every single mafia OP has the line about clues.
You are making an assumption about kill flavor and then trying to use that to determine players roles. Are you seriously telling me you don't see the problem with that?
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where was the warning for recruiter mechanics?
4 recruiting factions isn't fair
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like that is so unfair
4 mafia that don't know each other on day1 out of 32 players.
we lynched a recruiter and he got replaced
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That was the most disgusting thread i have ever seen
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On May 27 2014 05:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
It was a pretty good game all in all.
I dont necessarily understand the spreadsheet, so not sure who all was scum...
And what was with the whole "touched by magic" stuff?
riotky's role is actually really cool
if someone is touched by maigc it's a bit complicated but anyone that isn't is conrfirmed vanilla town which would make it powerful. On the other hand recruiter mechanics fuck it up, but hey if he announces someone it's likely that multiple factions would target them and cancel out
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On May 27 2014 05:32 ShiaoPi wrote:
Day 1 indeed was the worst offender. What I thought would balance the game was firstly the winconditions of the djinn. Each had to kill one of the other factions and town. But they should be interested in killing the other scumteam first since they also recruit from town. Also the blue roles would have been powerful tools if they would have only been utilized better. Slam spilling the beans on the most important part was just terrible for town
the early game is when people play the most and is the best for reads, the longer the game goes on the more peoples commitment dips and the active town all get killed. With so many people changing alignment and the number of scum increasing as the number of town diminishes even with full set-up knowledge this game looks brutal on town.
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On May 27 2014 05:47 ShiaoPi wrote:
Judging from your opinions, maybe it is for the best that this game ends in a trainwreck,
I do know that the setup was scumfavored. But also considering the speed of the actual recruitments as they happened I thought it would be fine. Also stacking town like mad with vets did not help that much I guess. Maybe more immune blues? The thing is if one of the blues actually stole a djinn from the scumteams, they would have been a massive asset to town. I mean they could have been unlimited vigs, or even protect the entirety of town for 1 KP.
I just really wanted to try out the idea of having 4 recruiting factions trying to outsmart each other and hunting each other.
Anyway, Lessons learned:
Do not try to host another themed large game, I have funny and crazy ideas which just end in imba imba imba.
Recruitment roles are a pain in the ass to balance and I should probably stay away from them as far as possible
I do hope the game was still enjoyable to most of you.
A single recruitment role causes chaos
you had 4 that each got a 1 time replacement
Large themed games are great though.
In my opinion you should have started nuking people trashing the thread.
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On May 27 2014 05:55 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 05:54 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 27 2014 05:48 ritoky wrote:On May 27 2014 05:33 layabout wrote:On May 27 2014 05:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:
It was a pretty good game all in all.
I dont necessarily understand the spreadsheet, so not sure who all was scum...
And what was with the whole "touched by magic" stuff? riotky's role is actually really cool if someone is touched by maigc it's a bit complicated but anyone that isn't is conrfirmed vanilla town which would make it powerful. On the other hand recruiter mechanics fuck it up, but hey if he announces someone it's likely that multiple factions would target them and cancel out Lol, I made that crap up. I was VT, and I had a growing scum read on bunnies, wanted to reaction test her. I also had a doctor read on someone and wanted to eat a bullet for them. Well you were freaking wrong... Like seriously... Yeah, i figured as much when you started getting angry, and was gonna rescind. But then other people started having odd reactions to the claim on you, so I was gonna leave it out there until the day phase then rescind.
That isn't cool when it's alignment flip, when you claim blue and flip town we would have acted upon you giving correct information.
However i still like the idea of a detective that can identify vanilla town that weren't visited
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On May 27 2014 05:54 Tehpoofter wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2014 05:49 marvellosity wrote:On May 27 2014 05:48 Tehpoofter wrote:On May 27 2014 05:47 marvellosity wrote:
I fucked around because i couldn't find good lynches
because there weren't any fucking good lynches. thrawn and kush got "passes" for bad reasons imo. Koshi playaed pretty well so did HF for scum everyone else was just town though  Although Tamburini could have fooled me. kush was town on day 1. day 2 though he got the pass and people were on him.
Everyone gets a pass when there is a red check
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I don't want to write an(other) essay about the rate of posting and the absurd amount of it that was irrelevant but has this forum really changed so much that big games are like this now?
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