Golden Sun: The Lost Age Mafia Djinn Edition - Page 25

On May 21 2014 07:36 Blazinghand wrote:


seriously though, the story you're going with is "I realized you're right, and even if you're scum, your plan will probably work and we'll probably hit scum... but I'm not gonna follow your plan, because of ill-defind reasons"?

On May 21 2014 07:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

ehhhh
I understand the part about gut reads, I've had them myself and I know how frustrating it is to try and explain them. I give her (is ninja a her?) a pass for now because her posts seem very unguarded and often early game is when scum are most uptight.

On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:


If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.

But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.

If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.

So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk.

On May 21 2014 07:34 Steveling wrote:


100% what I was expecting.
Just like last game his throwing his mafia weight against mine, knowing that people will follow him obviously.

On May 21 2014 07:38 Blazinghand wrote:
So Marv, you gotta admit, these whole steveling/holyflare thing is pretty silly and not worth your attention. What do you think about the possibility of an rng lynch in this setup? Could be good, yes?

On May 21 2014 07:39 marvellosity wrote:

As you're probably well aware, I've never RNGed, never supported RNG, and never will. Draw your own conclusions :p

On May 21 2014 07:39 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:

Actually yeah, I'm not even gonna argue with you. I play mafia for fun and us all picking an RNG then sitting back and seeing what happens doesn't seem fun to me. Plus I at least have enough faith in my own deduction and reasoning skills to think that I have just as good a chance of finding scum with analysis as RNG does.

On May 21 2014 07:37 geript wrote:
So far:
Marv-- has done nothing for my peepee. Usually as town he either makes it hard because he's obviously town or I think he's obviously mafia. Considering a shot. His push on Xat is pretty awful to, like there's little reason to expect Xat to flip scum on that basis.

Bunnies--I have a decent read on her in video. She's not done anything that makes me think she's town. She's also refusing to try to correctly read Banks as anything. That's really weird and her last post was awful.

Austin--he has yet to intercede to ABBA on behalf of my shot. That's pretty clearly mafia aligned. I'm very tempted to shoot him but he promised me cuddles and to carry me over the finish line.

Kush--probably town unfortunately.

Koshi--possibly town but I expected a more fun/playful response to my "are you naked" question. That's odd to me.

Wave--I'm soul reading my wubbybumpkins town.

Steveling--maybe town. Idk I think he's decentish as scum but he doesn't really strike me as the active chipper I want to do stuff type.

HF--hasn't commented on how he's the best ever and that we should policy lynch me before I get to shoot. Like that's pretty odd if he's town I would've expected some actual dickwaging in this trolling phase.

BH-- nothing he's done makes me think he's a good player. I thought he was awful last game and he was mafia. Same vibes here. He just looks like he's trash to be disposed of.

So I'm probably shooting within my scum pool tonight if you all don't sheep me. I'd much rather get info from a good lynch first though.

On May 21 2014 07:36 marvellosity wrote:
Xatalos, I really have no idea, nor do I care, because I don't particularly strive to be consistent from game to game. Honestly the fact that you're beating away at this makes you look kinda better though, so maybe I'll unvote you if I'm feeling nice


You do realise, though, that Steve's semi-ridiculous behaviour makes it less likely he's mafia though, yes? (or traditional mafia. I'm just gonna say town for town and mafia for all the other factions until something tells me otherwise)

On May 21 2014 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you're gonna play like last game i will actually policy lynch you and i honestly don't care

On May 21 2014 07:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:


I want to point out: video mafia and forum mafia are two different aspects of mafia. Two: Just because I can read Banks well in video mafia, does not mean it transfers to forum. Also, he hasn't spoken too much for me to have a great read on him.

But some things I noticed: his vote on tamburini and his trying to get me to vote with him. These are reasons that I used when I told Jamp that he was one of the ones I was watching for as him being mafia from the first couple of pages.

On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote:

Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here:


She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post?

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On May 21 2014 07:43 Holyflare wrote:



despite me being scum in the game he was talking about we literally only won because he was doing what he was doing as town and was an easy mislynch so i'm just going to get rid of him until he learns

On May 21 2014 07:33 Blazinghand wrote:


As a member of the balance team, I can assure you that a multifactional game supports more scum than a non-multifactional game. There are a number of reasons for this. Part of it is that, say, in a 2-scum-faction game, half of the scum will push on each other for reasons unrelated to bussing, because they can't distinguish between "scum on the other scum team" and "town". They'll even shoot into each other sometimes. Town loses the ability to make some associative tells, but the amount of crosstalk from scum accidentally pushing or shooting each other makes up for it.

2+2 scum with each group having 1 kp will never be as effective as 4 scum with 2 kp working together at killing town.

That being said, you never mentioned any real objection to the concept of RNG, you just questioned my estimate of scum in this game. I can only assume you didn't object to actual RNG because you think it would be fine if more factions = more scum. So, now that I've shown that more factions = more scum, you'll vote odin, yes?

On May 21 2014 07:45 Steveling wrote:


Yes you literally only won because of my bad play as town right?
Not because NO ONE, LITERALLY NO ONE VOTED FOR A SCUM IN ALL 3 DAYS.

Oh wait, except me.

On May 21 2014 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:


I know you disagree with me philosophically about the usefulness of RNG, I just figured maybe in a massively multifactional setup you might find it alluring. Well, next time then!



Ok, so that's a reason. I will note though that historically, TL towns tend not to statistically significantly outperform RNG on D1. I'm not proposing RNG for no reason; I think lynching OdinofPergo is our best chance today. If nothing else, I guarantee that pulling this off will have two results

1) it will be legendary
2) it will cause a massive shitstorm because everyone hates RNG. this shitstorm will give us lots of things to base reads off of for D2

On May 21 2014 07:45 jampidampi wrote:

I would need some kind of hard evindence that there are multiple scum factions in this game to RNG lynch, since those additional factions could be third parties and that wouldn't necessarily increase the scum numbers.