EPTOn May 25 2014 07:25 Blazinghand wrote:
technically RNG is policy BTW
technically RNG is policy BTW
Now you finally convinced me that RNG is a good method for lynching.
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
Now you finally convinced me that RNG is a good method for lynching. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Pookie Pie, talk with me. I'm not off my rocker, but I'm not voting. And I'd rather vote other people than Da Meat, actually find some stuff, read some people. So I go and I read the people getting votes. And i see that there is kush, who I read as townie. And I see that there is mtamburini, who has some playful posts, and spends a bunch of time talking about work or Civ 5 (don't buy that game you will lose WEEKS of your life when you start playing. Also, if you're going to buy it, wait for the summer sale. They'll put Civ 5 + Brave New World on sale + a bunch of other DLC, and you can pick it all up at once. Brave New World makes some nice improvements, and with all the DLC you get so many more races and options, plus the summer sale will be happening within a couple months). There's enough lighthearted stuff that I get a little confused, because actively choosing not to help town is bad, but there are people popping heads up to go "oh yeah lynch that person" and then disappear again and blah blah blah i'm less certain than at the end of D1/start of N2. And I see that there is ritoky, who comes back N1 and says BH looked long and full of substance, which is a strange thing for a mafia to say after a lynch on a townie, because they can either complain OR shut up, but who says "man, that case on that townie that I missed and you guys mislynched was pretty good." Also, he started looking into night kills, which I like. And then there is BlueyD, who finds the tambo thing in thrawn's filter, showing that he's reading and looking for neat stuff, which I like. He also has some I-think-good reactions to people claiming things, both steve's claim and slam's stuff, rather than shutting up or asking questions or anything, kinda looks like he's really not sure why people are doing this and thinks it helps mafia. And then there is steveling who is, I am sorry, looking kind of town for being SO spammy and so paranoid about BH and slam and stuff. There was a chance he was going mocsta-style scum and being cray cray spammy just to disrupt thread, but all his crap on the claims and the roles hits too close to home for me to want to lynch him. That's EXACTLY me in early big games, thinking that maybe the flavor matters and that maybe Blazinghand burns people or freezes people or whatever. And then there's thrawn, who is the best choice so far because he's doing dick and you can craft a scum narrative for it. And then BH who isn't the lynch. Came to erandorr though and I like that lynch, at least based on Erandorr's filter and not looking at WoS yet. --> And erandorr who I could get behind because there are promises of catching up/posts and promises and promises, but the only thing of substance is him needling at BlueyD and then leaving, no vote, no more stuff, the end. I looked askance at HolyFlare initially for suggesting him over other candidates that had come up, that were scummy D1, etc, but now I actually really like that choice. Need to reread WoS, but would totally lynch Erandorr. First name I come across and feel good about. (I hadn't gotten to sqrt yet but I have him town) Also in looking at filters and votes and whatnot, I really, really dislike Jampidampi. Want to look at some past games to see if he's a very aggressive player, or if that fits a particular alignment, but his early game is just him JUMPING DOWN THROATS over very little. On May 21 2014 06:09 jampidampi wrote: Right back at you: who do you refer to by "we"? Your faction? All of us? Non-town factions? On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote: You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote: Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. He has all that stuff with ninjabunnies and MZ, seems quite scummy on ninjabunnies, but places NO vote, and returns to the thread after an absence with - + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 22:55 jampidampi wrote: So after skimming the thread I realize that I'm left with less time than I'd like to have, so I'll just make a list that will probably never be explained. Would not lynch today: Meapak Hapa Holy poofter BlueyD austin Koshi BH fool geript bkq ceph wave xatalos Preffered lynch: layabout Could lynch today: Valenius thrawn bunnies sqrt Yellow tamburini MysteryMeat No clue: slam marv steveling kitaman cavalinho If I forgot someone then I'm sorry, they belong probably to the no clue list. ##Vote: layabout For a dude who started the game crazy aggro, he never votes the read he gets off that, and the aggro is just GONE. He's still kinda bristle-y (that word doesn't look right as one word so I'm adding a hyphen), and his main defender was Koshi. Who btw, flipped not town. He comes back after the lynch to tell everyone they should feel terrible for not lynching mtamuarini, despite the fact that his initial "i'd vote mtam" says NOTHING. On May 22 2014 21:31 jampidampi wrote: And I'm okay with a tamburini lynch, it just feels that anything I could say about her would just be repeating something that has been already said. On May 22 2014 22:36 jampidampi wrote: Well if you had only read the thread up to Marvs vote on you when you posted the first post, I can definetely see you getting angry over people hopping onto you or saying they would look into you more. Hmm... That actually makes me think you're town based on how you seemed to still be angry in your ritoky case. Which seems like an emotional backlash, but it has good points in it. Could lynch him, but I think I'd rather see tamburinis head roll. ##Unvote ##Vote: mtamburini On May 24 2014 04:09 jampidampi wrote: You should all feel bad about not lynching tamburini. Just look at how reliefed he is about not getting lynched while proceeding to do nothing helpful. If a vig doesn't flip him I'll be pushing for his lynch D2. Later he drops his bit on mtam being the lynch today. The more I look at mtam seriously, the less I like straight pushing that lynch, and coming in to say "oh yeah, here's why that bro is scummy GOODBYE" doesn't rub me the right way. So anyway, very aggro although I don't know if that means anything. Doesn't seem to do what I'd expect with the aggro, which would be to vote ninjabunnies. Why push someone, dislike their responses, think they're mafia, but not vote them? His scumreads tend to just look like what the thread has popped up, and the tamburini progression gives me some bad feels. Koshi defending is a minor thing, but Koshi's filter is just a bunch of having fun, with the exception of like...one post where he +1s a Poofter post and likes Poofter's lists, his posts where he decides he actually WON'T sheep me and kind of likes ritoky, and the bit on jampidampi. Anyway, after doing some searching, I'd happily lynch erandorr or jampidampi today. Currently scumreading Foolishness still, if Fool is scum worried about Xat (haven't done a full look at Xat apart from that), and worried about peruvian. Haven't taken a good look at Cav, ceph, poofter, layabout. POOKIE PIE HOW YOU FEELIN' ABOUT ERANDORR AND JAMPI I REALLY DON'T WANT TO SPAM THREAD MORE TODAY AND I WOULD LOVE FOR OTHER PEOPLE TO SHOW AND MAYBE TALK ABOUT JAMPIDAMPI AND STILL ABOUT FOOLISHNESS. | ||
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sqrtofneg1
Canada1159 Posts
I'm not so sure about today's lynch so far. It seems like we have 3 or 4 main guys to lynch: Kush Tambo BlueyD and Meat. I have a few questions for each of you. @Kush: What have you done to help town this game? Who is your top town read? Scum read? @Tambo: What is your view on Kush and BlueyD so far? What is the most significant post of D2 so far? @BlueyD: You've made cases on Yellow and Cav so far. Who else do you see as potential scum? @Meat: Why aren't you active? Do you have anything to contribute? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Also I quite liked his research on mtamb's vote progression that was his last post (I think). Quite happy to chitchat about it though. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Erandorr Meat Jampi Foolishness Peruvian Xat With then possible folks like thrawn, cav, ceph, poofter, layabout, whoeverelseimissedanddidn'tgoreadrecently | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On May 25 2014 07:48 marvellosity wrote: That was his last post. austin: random thought having only read halfway through your post - I do actually remember jampi being surprisingly aggressive in previous games for someone who is generally so lurky. Take that with a pinch of salt, that's without checking and you can obviously verify that yourself should you wish. Also I quite liked his research on mtamb's vote progression that was his last post (I think). Quite happy to chitchat about it though. I'll go check some past games. The way that he goes about getting onto mtam, then sitting on mtam, then calling everyone bad for the OOP lynch, and just continuing to push only mtam is worrying to me. Not 100% mafia, but he's just found a dude to sit on, who is kinda scummy, and will just perch there and call him scummy for a while. In the narrative where jampi is mafia, he's a MAJOR PERCHER. TOP 10 PERCHER FINLAND. I dunno, if he REALLY thinks everyone is bad for not lynching mtam and if he REALLY wants mtam to be the lynch today, doesn't he...not say this? e was a good candidate day 1, and those reasons to lynch him still apply. There's nothing relevant to town in his filter during N1 or D2. Like shouldn't he be swinging from the trees and playing cowbell and going door to door handing out pamphlets about how mtam is mafia, not just saying "those reasons still apply, even though I also never gave them in the first place." His push on mtam feels very...detached? | ||
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Cavalinho
United States946 Posts
On May 25 2014 07:49 austinmcc wrote: And HF, if you ever return, do some list making, and tell me whether any of these dudes should be removed from a list: Erandorr Meat Jampi Foolishness Peruvian Xat With then possible folks like thrawn, cav, ceph, poofter, layabout, whoeverelseimissedanddidn'tgoreadrecently What list am I on? The supertown list? Yeah that sounds about right. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 25 2014 07:54 austinmcc wrote: That was his last post. I'll go check some past games. The way that he goes about getting onto mtam, then sitting on mtam, then calling everyone bad for the OOP lynch, and just continuing to push only mtam is worrying to me. Not 100% mafia, but he's just found a dude to sit on, who is kinda scummy, and will just perch there and call him scummy for a while. In the narrative where jampi is mafia, he's a MAJOR PERCHER. TOP 10 PERCHER FINLAND. I dunno, if he REALLY thinks everyone is bad for not lynching mtam and if he REALLY wants mtam to be the lynch today, doesn't he...not say this?Like shouldn't he be swinging from the trees and playing cowbell and going door to door handing out pamphlets about how mtam is mafia, not just saying "those reasons still apply, even though I also never gave them in the first place." His push on mtam feels very...detached? Yeah I understand what you're saying. Bear in mind though that jampidampi is this: 1) has always been pretty lurky in his games 2) has been prone to be mislynched quite a lot early on in games (partly because of #1) 3) actually quit TL mafia because he was pissed off with everything, pissed off with how games went, pissed off with being mislynched, etc. Basically what I'm sort of saying is that while yes, he probably should be swinging from the trees etc, he's a kinda frustrated player (historically) who quit mafia in part because he never did do that and got lynched for it quite a bit. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Vote Count - Day 2: kushm4sta (5): mtamburini (1): ritoky (1): layabout BlueyD (2): kitaman27, Steveling (0): Thrawn2112 (0): Blazinghand (0): Erandorr (2): Holyflare, Steveling sqrtofneg1 (0): MysteryMeat1 (1): marvellosity, Xatalos, Blazinghand Not voting: Everyone else Currently kushm4sta is set to be lynched with 5 votes! Deadline is in . Remember: Voting is mandatory and has to be done in the Voting Thread. Please contact the mods if the vote count is incorrect. Thank you! | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Nuclear he's relatively not around, got nuked for it but was immune. Wasn't aggro, but did a "why the fuck did you nuke me thing" and "oh there's a case" thing. Scumlist pops up without anything else really, although he's given reason for some of those people being scummy in the past. Town. Not aggro in I swear this is normal mini. Town. Not the same kind of questions, chatty with hapa a good bit. Seems to have history with hapa, hapa coached a newbie, hapa has jampi as town this game, would probably expect some interaction with hapa this game (check for this). Bastard Mini got cut in the middle and iGrok didn't even post a spreadsheet and I'm too lazy to go find his alignment and stuff. Newbie XLI, very aggro. Lots of quick questions, lots of why did you say this/why are you thinking this. VERY AGGRO. Also gives reads, reasons, even when he has a list because he "can't decide which scummy fucker I lynch", there are reasons and some quotes and stuff. Porkchop Sandwiches. Town. Newbie XL, blue, DT. Lotta quick questions, very aggro. One thing I'm noticing is that when he hammers on someone for not reading/answering his questions, not going fast enough, giving bad answers, he will VOTE them. Read this progression and compare it to his bunnies stuff. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 18:28 jampidampi wrote: No-ones here? I want interactions to analyse... Rainbows, when you come online you got some explaining to do. I'll be leaving now and will be back in 10 hours. On April 06 2013 04:08 jampidampi wrote: Rainbows, are you here? You haven't answeared my questions here and here. I'm not sure about your alingment and answearing these questions would help me with that. Warrent, your filter still doesn't give information what you think about anyone other than Rainbows. I'm sure you must have opinions on others. TheRavenName, I wasn't calling Rainbows for policy lynching, I was interpreting Sarafs post for him. On April 06 2013 14:00 jampidampi wrote: Rainbows you better answear my questions. NOW On April 06 2013 15:03 jampidampi wrote: ##Vote: Rainbows Rainbows is really scummy. At the start, he had the opportunity to continue discussing what was being discussed, but instead he brings up this hypotetical question. Now what purpose does it serve? Scum could post this to know what kind of behaviour we find scummy. Town could post this to generate discussion. But I don't believe that. Rainbows had already got good discussion rolling about something that matters to town (policy). But instead he brings up something that can't benefit town. And there is no followup whatsoever. Rainbows asked if Ravens was scum or VT. Blatant bluefishing. No scum would ever answear "Yes, I'm scum". If Ravens had claimed VT there, scum would know he isn't blue. Ravens may have in confusion softclaimed a powerrole there. I can't find any townie reasonin Rainbows would ask this question. Rainbows says how he likes Obzy. If you look at any mafia games posts, when someone likes someone, he thinks that guy is town. Just look at the list posts in this game: "I don't like XXX" is used in contexes, where people think XXX is scummy. Yet when I ask him to explain his liking of Obzy, he says he liked the name and that he has posted a lot, when at the time, Obzy had three posts. If look at those three posts, that is not a good basis for a town read. Rainbows thinks he is the center of the thread and that he should be talked about. This scummy since Rainbows clearly cares his image. He cares that people see him as town. He cares enough to make a point of being the center of discussion. Scum care for their image. Here is another case of Rainbows caring about his image: The only post which he brings up from nobodywonder is this one, where nobodywonder suspects Rainbows. Rainbows is hellbent in his interpretating that Saraf called him town, even when multiple people have said that was not what Saraf intented to say. If Saraf is town, what Rainbow did was scummy, because he has more reasons to potentiaaly misslynch Saraf. If Saraf is scum, it's still scummy. Rainbows appears to put pressure on Saraf and if Saraf is ever on the chopping block, Rainbows can go "oh shit, my reasoning is really dump" and save him. Anyway, aggro is not a tell for him. I don't think he's been mafia, found no games but I also didn't check chinese grammar micro. It feels GENERALLY like he backs his suspicions up more. The rainbows stuff there, in the game with aquanim he like...didn't like what was going on and votes his face. Not the most damning thing, may be overblowing the differences because I'm worried about him blah blah | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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27ninjabunnies
United States2486 Posts
Slow down people!!! Yeesh!! Anyone got a tldr? Or anything specific you want me to look at? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote: "MZ, whatchoo talking about, now I'm kinda finding YOU scummy for how you're defending bunnies here."Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here: She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post? + Show Spoiler + For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash. On May 21 2014 07:56 jampidampi wrote: MZ still maybe scummy for this bunnies/jampi/MZ interaction.It still kinda baffles me that you could ignore such a heavy contrast to your generalization about bunnies play. Makes me think that you didn't actually put that much thought into it, which makes me think you might be scum. It's soon 2 AM here, so see you all tomorrow Next post BOOM On May 21 2014 22:55 jampidampi wrote: So after skimming the thread I realize that I'm left with less time than I'd like to have, so I'll just make a list that will probably never be explained. Would not lynch today: Meapak Hapa Holy poofter BlueyD austin Koshi BH fool geript bkq ceph wave xatalos Preffered lynch: layabout Could lynch today: Valenius thrawn bunnies sqrt Yellow tamburini MysteryMeat No clue: slam marv steveling kitaman cavalinho If I forgot someone then I'm sorry, they belong probably to the no clue list. ##Vote: layabout Koshi, who defends Jampidampi and appears to be townie on him, said this On May 22 2014 19:00 Koshi wrote: But he entirely misses (and most/all of us did), that Jampi goes STRAIGHT from finding MZ kinda scummy to having him on the won't lynch list, despite still finding bunnies scummy. Given that the bunnies/MZ/jampi interaction is the whole reason MZ is scummy, if bunnies is still scummy then MZ probably SHOULD, bar any kind of explanation.I am rereading that and to me it seems jampidampi started with questioning MZ about bunnies. MZ replies that bunnies made an "unguarded" comment and is likely town. jampidampi pressures MZ and is giving bunnies a scumread for being overly defensive. He is telling MZ that the way MZ clears Bunnies is wrong and that he should revisit that read. MZ doesn't do that and jampi gives MZ a light scumread for it. This is pretty towny from Jampi tbh. quotes: ↓ + Show Spoiler + On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote: Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here: She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post? + Show Spoiler + For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash. On May 21 2014 07:56 jampidampi wrote: It still kinda baffles me that you could ignore such a heavy contrast to your generalization about bunnies play. Makes me think that you didn't actually put that much thought into it, which makes me think you might be scum. It's soon 2 AM here, so see you all tomorrow ______ From reading Jampi filter is goes like this: Jampi: Hey Bunnies I think you are scum. Let's interact. (interacting with scumread) Jampi: Hey MZ, do you agree with my scumread on Bunnies. (Interacts with MZ, gives MZ scumread for not seeing what he sees) This shows that jampi had a strong read on Bunnies at that time. Town mindset. Koshi knows jampi's filter and defends him but ... seems to miss something that I'm concerned with. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
It is definitely curious that someone with so few posts who has spent at least a couple of them shedding suspicion on someone then puts that person on to the no-lynch list. I'd quite like jampi to tell us what happened there | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I do wish there was more not-me talking today. Probably not optimal for the game. Also, this is one reason not to sit on the coin flip dude, because there are still plenty of OTHER people to pressure and whatnot. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 25 2014 08:31 austinmcc wrote: P'shaw. Even my nonsense has merit. I do wish there was more not-me talking today. Probably not optimal for the game. Also, this is one reason not to sit on the coin flip dude, because there are still plenty of OTHER people to pressure and whatnot. yeah but other people will respond if they're talked about or even if they're not talked about. I don't think mysterymeat will respond at all unless he's up for the lynch, and maybe not even then. so it's kinda worth a try you see. The idea isn't "let's all just lynch this guy and not do anything else" and you should feel ashamed if you think so :p but yeah that mz stuff is good. | ||
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Cavalinho
United States946 Posts
I have kush as scum and I don't think your reasons for letting him go are spectacular. I still want to lynch him, and kita's case on Bluey is pretty good too. Also, fun fact, I like marv's last couple of posts and I now have him as town. So that's something, I guess. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 25 2014 08:35 Cavalinho wrote: I don't really see what else there is to talk about right now. I have kush as scum and I don't think your reasons for letting him go are spectacular. I still want to lynch him, and kita's case on Bluey is pretty good too. Also, fun fact, I like marv's last couple of posts and I now have him as town. So that's something, I guess. could you just tell me what you liked so i can confirm you're not bullshitting please? that would be lovely :p | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On May 25 2014 08:35 marvellosity wrote: Let's go with shades of pot/kettle, and shades of "I think there are more productive things" and shades of "In my mind if geript is really a vigi I liked what he said earlier about townies shooting townies (see my posts in YOSO and the postgame thoughts and EVERY THEMED GAME WHERE TOWNIES SHOOT TOWNIES), therefore, geript is unlikely to just go firing at people, but because the postgame of YOSO had a lot of pushing from host-y folks for vigis to shoot lurkers, geript is LIKELY to be okay just shooting a lurker, and so mysterymeat probably gets shot." So in my mind, the problem is already solved because in the future he likely gets shot as the lurkiest of the lurk, and lynching him or voting him is a waste of keystrokes.yeah but other people will respond if they're talked about or even if they're not talked about. I don't think mysterymeat will respond at all unless he's up for the lynch, and maybe not even then. so it's kinda worth a try you see. The idea isn't "let's all just lynch this guy and not do anything else" and you should feel ashamed if you think so :p but yeah that mz stuff is good. | ||
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