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On May 24 2014 07:57 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 07:54 Xatalos wrote:On May 24 2014 07:47 mtamburini wrote:On May 24 2014 07:38 Xatalos wrote:
mtamburini: You've been here today and commented on some stuff. Could you actually scumhunt or something in that direction? Have you even caught up with the thread yet? Just trying to understand the conversations that are going on right now, not sure what to make of it. Have not caught up yet but working on it. I plan to be caught up sometime tomorrow evening around the 24 hours mark I need to go to sleep in a couple hours I have work early tomorrow morning. With this being only an allignemnt flip game Im having trouble taking into consideration why certain people die over others (IE softing roles for example) All I can base the town kills off of are the scum thought they were the most towny people playing or if a town role decided to shoot them because they thought they were scummy. As far as I know no one has claimed any shots just yet so Im going to assume Scum have a Kp of 3 so there might be only one non town aligned factioned that is non threatening. With regards to the koshi death the same logic applies with the town people dying, did another faction think they were acting really town and shot him or did a town PR shoot him thinking he was scummy. Its hard to me do decipher information by the way the posts are being written, it seems like someone is writing up minutes to a meeting of what each person said. Its feel like were all conversing at a round table and there is bickering back and forth between parties. Almost like video mafia except I cant get any body reads of facial reactions from anyone. You should make catching up and forming reads your top priority. It's not very constructive to read the latest pages and just make vague comments. I appreciate the help and advice you are giving me, unfortunately the last time I remember getting spoonfed like this I ended up in the pocket of scum 
I can assure you I'm not scum. Now gogo read stuff 
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On May 24 2014 08:33 mattisfoolish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 04:24 austinmcc wrote:
kush. Kush's filter is tiny and not too helpful, but it reads like the right amount of giving no fucks and giving out fuck yous. He complains a little about spamminess, which is fine by me. He complains when people can't understand arguments, which is fine by me. He's not DOING anything really, but in a way that strikes me as town.
This is a correct read but drawing the wrong conclusion; you've essentially given the tl;dr of my case but you didn't do the history check to see what it means for him. As I indirectly said above, what you said is indicative of his mafia play, not his town play. I think we can all agree that Kush is someone who always makes spammy, aggressive one-liners and in general just gives zero fucks. So there's not much to be garnered from that. However this is something to be garnered from how many reads he gives and thoughts about the players in the game. Let me demonstrate this by example. In our game I gathered all the posts where he directly says "I think person X is town/mafia". There's a total of two posts (maybe 3 if I missed one). + Show Spoiler +On May 22 2014 05:55 kushm4sta wrote:i think hapa is scumm because the below plus his case on valeris (or w/e) look like scum cases. Very surface level, generic, uncanny familiarity with what scum do. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:25 Hapahauli wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ok Valenius can wait. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/440546-golden-sun-the-lost-age-mafia-djinn-edition?page=33#650This is the scummiest post in this thread by far. It is extremely long, and could not be more useless. He's making a show of contributing to the town without actually providing anything in the way of analysis. There's nothing constructive posting one's "reads" in this manner. It's just a giant mind-dump with a bunch of quotes - a format that no one could possibly pick any useful information out of. On top of it, the actual content of the post just shits and shits on random things that players have said in the game. It's a very common type of post for mafia to make, and I'd like to see this guy dead. ##Unvote
##Vote mtanburini Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:On May 21 2014 11:43 27ninjabunnies wrote:
See, I don't find tamburini's post all that bad.
Sure it was only focused on certain people, one of them including me, but its nt unlikely for him to include me specifically in his reads because we play video mafia together.
Some of his reads were pretty good, and I like it questioning, though I completely agree some of it was filler. The problem with his post isn't necessarily that every little bit of info is terrible. The problem is the presentation and scope. Firstly, it's almost designed to be the least efficient/effective way of communicating one's reads/information. When a townie finds someone suspicious, they are generally direct about it "I find <xxx> town, and <yyy> suspicious, for <zzz> reason." However this post is just a clusterfuck. His reads are buried in the middle of irrelevant banter, and hell he changes his mind on reads of the course of his post! The post is not designed to be helpful - it's designed to be massive and showy. Ergo, he's trying to appear like he's contributing without actually contributing. Secondly, the scope of the post is just a mess. He just finds random things in the thread that he doesn't agree with and is really snarky about them. That's a really common mafia tactic - to find a bunch of things to critique/shit-on in the thread. It gives the effect of making one appear to contribute, when in reality, nitpicking several posters is generally easy, creates paranoia, and serves no real constructive purpose to actually finding mafia. On May 23 2014 05:49 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 05:41 marvellosity wrote:
the vets who sheeped the Odin case look the worst like me? btw i think wos requesting replacement means he is town Now I went to his filter in his town game, Normal Mini Mafia Episode 1 here and did the same thing. Keep in mind this game only last two days. + Show Spoiler +On January 20 2014 10:13 kushm4sta wrote:thrawn is scum because he's wrong lol On January 20 2014 22:23 kushm4sta wrote:
Feels
thrawn's town.
wiley is town
i think rayn is town
i think VE is town
balla is scummy for being a scumhunter extraordinaire yet doing nothing
On January 20 2014 22:45 kushm4sta wrote:
i think bum is town On January 20 2014 23:03 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2014 23:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
They won't get tucked by counterclaims because a counterclaim doesn't mean anything as there can be more than one Boxer. So there aren't going to be any counterclaims. So when is this magical moment when we suddenly know who all the boxers are Kish? godamn it is turning me on how you keep calling me kish. we know at lylo when all the claims claim. We will probably know before then because that's just what usually happens. fine i agree to disagree with you VE. Still have you as town. On January 21 2014 07:38 kushm4sta wrote:
bum is scum and he is implying that you, VE, are wrong, and therefore town. I'm not even half-way through his filter at this point... For comparison, here's a game where he's mafia. + Show Spoiler +On February 23 2014 23:34 kushm4sta wrote:
and fuck no are you obv town. i have seen you push scum teammates like that d1. LIQUID CITY On February 24 2014 22:15 kushm4sta wrote:
koshi probalby scum also.
all game all he does is tunnel me (major lynchbait), easy to make a "case" against
now he is speechless
"Cool Foolishness, you know how to data mine, but what does it mean?" Let me tell you what it means. When Kush is town, he is very open about giving his reads in his posts. He directly tells the town "this person is town here's why, this person is mafia here's why". Of course these come in the form of one-liners so the reasons aren't substantial (which is okay). This shows a town mindset, he's trying to figure out the game and he's not afraid to speak his mind which are both strong town characteristics. However these sorts of posts are absent when he's mafia. Why? He doesn't feel the need to tell the town who is town and who is mafia because he already knows. That's what is happening this game and what happens in the games he's mafia. I checked two of his other games (one town, one mafia) and they both align in this matter. Austin mentioned that Kush is complaining about spaminess, but that's not okay. He's complaining about spaminess but not doing anything to help the town. That's what mafia do and they do so well: tell the town they are sucking, running in circles, or needlessly fighting with each other. It's an easy thing to say and makes it look like they are helping when they aren't. And that's how you catch someone doing that, when they say what the town's problem is but not doing anything to help. ##Vote: Kushm4sta
I think kush has a pretty decent chance to flip scum here. I like this post and it's most likely correct. kush was just more open and contributive as town. Let's get the wagon going!
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marv has turned into this:
![[image loading]](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c4/Lleyn_sheep.jpg)
Not that I'm hugely better myself though.
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Kita is probably town based on his apparent interest in solving the game (although it's mostly focused on setup stuff, I have some difficulty imagining scum being so paranoid about faction breadcrumbs and the like)
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On May 24 2014 15:21 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 24 2014 15:14 geript wrote:
BH I would like to point out that if I had a vendetta against you, I would just egged Scumeling on towards you as much as I could. Wait a minute Someone prolly djinni Steve?
What does this mean?
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I'd really like to know what the Djinni control stuff actually does. That would make this game so much easier.
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Undecided on Yell0w. Somehow this post just feels townish:
On May 22 2014 21:57 Yell0w wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 21:52 kitaman27 wrote:On May 21 2014 13:56 BlueyD wrote:
I don’t like that the case on mtamburini seems to rely on a single post. It’s a really bad post due to format and scope, but the rest of the filter reads okay. On May 22 2014 13:51 BlueyD wrote:
##vote mtamburini
Don't think Yellow is replying to me tonight so I'll just have to put my vote on who I think is the strongest case now. ##Vote BlueyD I don't think that makes him scum, I think there was a clear progression in his filter from the case his bad, to the case is good after more points where made, to voting for tamburini.
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But these players are quite likely town:
BH
Alakaslam
Steveling
geript
Holyflare
Hapa
Foolishness
Kita
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Foolishness is probably most likely town out of the veteran players.
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BlueyD seems pretty scummy too, yeah. It's hard to argue against Kita's points. Often the players who complain about something without doing anything to help regarding the issue are just scum. And his reads really are very inconclusive.
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I could actually lynch BlueyD over kush.
##Unvote
##Vote: BlueyD
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Speaking of complaining without really doing anything about the issue >.> (if you don't count his one post + vote on mtamburini)
On May 24 2014 04:09 jampidampi wrote:
You should all feel bad about not lynching tamburini. Just look at how reliefed he is about not getting lynched while proceeding to do nothing helpful. If a vig doesn't flip him I'll be pushing for his lynch D2.
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So Yell0w, you consider BlueyD to be the scummiest player in the game? Join the wagon gogo
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On May 25 2014 00:50 Yell0w wrote:
##Vote: BlueyD
Done.
That was fast.
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Huh. I actually kind of like BlueyD's latest post (with the exception of playing the noob card). Detailed reasoning, lots of reads, and even claiming VT (making it less of a risky lynch). And I even mostly agree with his reads. Especially the one on mtamburini - it's not like mtamburini can't be scum, but his play is pretty nonsensical from scum perspective.
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I'm not sure why everyone just townreads me without giving any actual reasons for that.
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I guess it's because I've become worse as scum lately or something.
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Hmmm.... sqrtofneg1 could be scum.... It seemed a bit weird how he was very certain of Odin being town, yet only meekly announced that Odin was town and didn't *really* seem to care if he was lynched or not. Could be scum trying to look better after the flip.
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Let's try this for a change.
##Unvote
##Vote sqrtofneg1
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thrawn could also be a decent lynch. He's so apathetic so far. Or jampidampi. Or kush. Maybe BlueyD should live after his latest post.
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