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Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes. | ||
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The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content. + Show Spoiler + /mysterymachine | ||
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On January 10 2014 06:26 Giggletummy wrote: I don't like that artanis is content to just play dog. There's no real rush on the day, but whereas you messed around and tried to get other people to mess around (townie), artanis is content to do nothing more than mess around. I don't count the non-me bark as not messing around. He also has 2 brackets in his name, and we have 2 scum. After this post you joke around some more with HolyFlare who still hasn't given a read despite me pinging him. Artanis actually gave a scum read (or at least, that's what I read into his barking at Derrida as) that I agree with. At least he's playing the game while trolling. HolyFlare is still trying to recruit people into his mysteryvan. How do you read Artanis scummy over HolyFlare and Derrida? First, very early on, Derrida makes a feigning confusion post. On January 10 2014 02:16 Derrida wrote: No idea what's going on at the moment. Then he instantly bandwagons my argument the fluff without even scum-reading HolyFlare. Further, he contributes nothing new himself and just asks an open-ended question to everyone about Artanis. On January 10 2014 05:09 Derrida wrote: ^ Agreed, I am disliking this amount of fluff. We need to get back to reads. What do you guys think about Artanis playing along with the Scooby Doo scheme? This being the post that he barked at. ##Vote: Derrida | ||
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On January 10 2014 12:56 Derrida wrote: I am town you noobs, unvote me. On January 10 2014 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have read. ##Vote: GGTeMpLaR Derrida is a pretty pretty town. Holyflare most likely town for realising it. I am town you noob, unvote me. | ||
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On January 10 2014 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm pretty sure you're not. p.r.e.t.t.y counter has reached 4. Explain? | ||
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On January 10 2014 16:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why i think GGTeMpLaR is mafia: These posts: First of all, he is accusing Holyflare of promoting shitting up the thread. This is a completely inaccurate accusation. Holyflare's intentions are still unclear, so him doing what he did is a null-tell. Second, nobody is forced to play along with Holyflare's Scooby-doo game if they do not want to. But GGTeMpLaR himself enters the van. He is himself promoting the "shitting up the thread" that Holyflare can't possibly stop because Holyflare is not responsible for other people's actions. - GGTeMpLaR calls Holyflare scummy for shitting up the thread -> but the joins the shitting up the thread instead of stopping him. - GGTeMpLaR says Holyflare is responsible for shitting up the thread when nobody is forced to play the game. If someone is responsible for shitting up the thread it's all the people who +1 Holyflare's game, not Holyflare. - Both of above are incorrect logic and looks like GGTeMpLaR is just trying to find an easy target rather than find people's motives behind their actions. First, I made an educated guess about his intentions when I scumread him. Under the assumption that HolyFlare is scum, I think my guess about his intentions made perfect sense. Second, I pointed out before I don't care if people are going to troll as long as they are going to give concrete reads and play the game as well (hence why I actually approved of Artanis even though he was acting like a dog - he gave a solid scumread that lined up with my thoughts and quoted the same post I had issue with, even going so far as bolding the significant portion of the quote). My entering the van was not fluff or spam, it was a little "ok, I'll humor you if you insist on this" under the main body of my accusation and explanation of my read. I tried to meet him halfway by tossing him a bone in the hopes that he would give something concrete. I never accused HolyFlare for posts he didn't make or said he was solely responsible for shitting up the thread. Over half the game was making null-read troll posts that filled the thread with filler. I accused HolyFlare for assuming he was a townie looking for clues when all he was doing was asking other people to "look for clues" without giving any actual reads himself. If you call what I was doing "shitting up the thread" then I don't know how to play this game. You're 100% wrong to say Holyflare isn't responsible. Anyone who posts fluff is responsible for themselves posting fluff. Other people were giving reads at least while trolling. HolyFlare literally didn't give a single read until we made him tired of writing scooby doo paragraphs. I find your accusation of me and the logic behind it weak and I think you've entirely misrepresented a lot of what I said. Also, I would still love to know how you have a town-read on Derrida when he hasn't even properly responded to the thread. | ||
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Also the fact that he quite literally stated: [QUOTE]On January 10 2014 04:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Holyflare is my scumtell right now because he presumes to act like a confirmed town without having actually made any contributions to town himself. He just keeps asking for others to find clues for him. Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes.[/QUOTE] that I am his "scum tell" (odd choice of words???) but then within the NEXT POST has contradicted himself to say that: [QUOTE]On January 10 2014 05:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote: The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me. The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content. + Show Spoiler + /mysterymachine all the posts and actions done by myself so far are in fact a "null tell", this was before I had even posted half of what I had posted now!!! However, he completely drops off of me and I'm now actually a townie The silly atmosphere of general trolling read null, but your specific insistence that others look for clues when you yourself were not is what read scummy as I noted in my previous post and in my initial accusation. You too are misrepresenting the nuances of my read on you. I didn't think it was a null-tell I thought it ignoring the pressure read like you had nothing to hide and were just going to continue having fun. I thought it would be much more likely as a mafia there to stop your games and get overly defensive against my initial ping. | ||
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On January 10 2014 16:53 Holyflare wrote: Also the fact that he quite literally stated: that I am his "scum tell" (odd choice of words???) but then within the NEXT POST has contradicted himself to say that: all the posts and actions done by myself so far are in fact a "null tell", this was before I had even posted half of what I had posted now!!! However, he completely drops off of me and I'm now actually a townie because I ignored him and continued to spam... All in the meanwhile he has made a semi-case on Derrridadadada the total towny+++ and voted him without discussing with his vote target or anyone else in an IML game. Unacceptable! I hesitate to vote right now (do we even have a time limit in this game..?) because the quest to save scooby doo MUST be completed. The silly atmosphere of general trolling read null, but your specific insistence that others look for clues when you yourself were not is what read scummy as I noted in my previous post and in my initial accusation. You too are misrepresenting the nuances of my read on you. I didn't think it was a null-tell I thought it ignoring the pressure read like you had nothing to hide and were just going to continue having fun. I thought it would be much more likely as a mafia there to stop your games and get overly defensive against my initial ping. | ||
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On January 10 2014 17:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you first thought Holyflare was posting fluff (when you didn't even know his intentions behind his post about the minigame), then you called him scummy for it, and then you joined the minigame which gives him a "permission" to continue this scummy behavior. That is townie exactly how? If you thought his posts are fluff and he is mafia trying to hide behind shitposting why did you not tell him to cut the crap instead on +1'ing his crap? Also who is your top scumread and why? On January 10 2014 17:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote: First, I made an educated guess about his intentions when I scumread him. Under the assumption that HolyFlare is scum, I think my guess about his intentions made perfect sense. Second, I pointed out before I don't care if people are going to troll as long as they are going to give concrete reads and play the game as well (hence why I actually approved of Artanis even though he was acting like a dog - he gave a solid scumread that lined up with my thoughts and quoted the same post I had issue with, even going so far as bolding the significant portion of the quote). My entering the van was not fluff or spam, it was a little "ok, I'll humor you if you insist on this" under the main body of my accusation and explanation of my read. I tried to meet him halfway by tossing him a bone in the hopes that he would give something concrete. I never accused HolyFlare for posts he didn't make or said he was solely responsible for shitting up the thread. Over half the game was making null-read troll posts that filled the thread with filler. I accused HolyFlare for assuming he was a townie looking for clues when all he was doing was asking other people to "look for clues" without giving any actual reads himself. If you call what I was doing "shitting up the thread" then I don't know how to play this game. You're 100% wrong to say Holyflare isn't responsible. Anyone who posts fluff is responsible for themselves posting fluff. Other people were giving reads at least while trolling. HolyFlare literally didn't give a single read until we made him tired of writing scooby doo paragraphs. I find your accusation of me and the logic behind it weak and I think you've entirely misrepresented a lot of what I said. Also, I would still love to know how you have a town-read on Derrida when he hasn't even properly responded to the thread. I bolded it for you since you got it wrong again. I figure I shouldn't have to tell him to stop, my pinging him as scum for not giving reads despite asking others to search for scum should have sent the message. | ||
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I really don't like my arguments being misrepresented by either you or HolyFlare, but I still think the way HolyFlare reacted to my pressure read more townie than the way a mafia might react. I will say that I think HolyFlare's logic for why he is confirmed town for getting to L-1 is circumstantial evidence in my opinion. Three people scumread him and three people had nothing to say about him. I don't think that in-of-itself reads anything but null. | ||
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On January 10 2014 17:28 Holyflare wrote: Also, templar, you are clearly not reading my posts if you are insinuating that I am making everyone else do all the work by "looking for clues". I AM SCOOBY DOO THE KIDNAPPED CHARACTER. Where do you think these clues are coming from? I post fluff and magically clues appear? No. That is clearly not the case. Why don't you save scooby and velma instead for now. Ok, maybe I read into you asking people to search for clues too literally as asking people to find the mafia. If you were only saying that as a part of your game then I took that to mean more than it did so woopsies - lol | ||
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On January 10 2014 17:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are basically accusing Derrida of the same thing you did? Calling HF's minigame fluff and useless and then +1'ing it. No because I was still actually scum hunting and provided a specific accusation against a specific individual whereas he just sheeped what I said without providing anything concrete. It just turns out I read too much into him asking for us all to "search for clues" so my scum read didn't ever really make sense on Holy | ||
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Either Mocsta or Artanis bussed him (unlikely) or he's scum with any of You/Giggle/Rayn. | ||
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On January 10 2014 17:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: How is this not a specific accusation? Or a specific question or whatever? I think it pretty clearly reads he is concerned about Artanis' play and wants to know what other people think about it. no? How is asking "what do you guys think of X doing Y?" an accusation? It's an extremely safe way to look like you're contributing to the discussion without actually putting yourself out in the open for anyone to read you or committing to any viewpoints. | ||
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On January 10 2014 17:57 Holyflare wrote: You can retrieve scum reads from 8 posts of a filter? I'm am quite seriously impressed. You seem to KNOW that the guy is scum despite me linking an ACTUAL scum game of his from his last newbie game that looks nothing like this one so far. Two of the posts, especially the one we're discussing right now read very scummy to me. I'm still waiting for his actual response. Right now he is the strongest scum-tell I have. I haven't actually read through the filter of the last game and compared it to the filter from this one yet. I'm not sure how valuable it will prove with such a low sample size and the fact that people are likely to change their play from game to game, especially during their first few games, so even if it is a different style I'm not willing to clear him based on that fact alone. | ||
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On January 10 2014 18:01 Holyflare wrote: These all fall under the same category of what you attribute to Deridadadadada being scum. Yet this guy has significantly more trolly posts inbetween and a substantially larger filter. Why is he not your target instead? I don't know, now that you lay it out like that he does seem really suspicious too. Maybe it was something about the "lightning round" that made me want to trust he had good intentions LOL Ok I still think Derrida reads scummy to me but Giggletummy is scummy too now. He was the one who asked for us to pull off the votes so that the vote wouldn't pass without him responding, which actually is a pretty good way of preventing your partner from getting lynched without hard-defending them but also an easy way to look townie if by some odd chance Derrida is actually town. | ||
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On January 10 2014 18:07 Holyflare wrote: Are you claiming scum or something? You just admit to having not read his previous game and so haven't actually looked at his posting style at all yet still try and state an informed opinion on this game. These are VASTLY different styles and there are only 8 posts. So why did you feel the need to add votes to him in an IML game with 7 people before he could even respond based off only 8 posts do you have extra information that we don't? Ok well I didn't think I had to go through and read everyone's game history to have educated reads on them as the two posts in question read as scum independently of a posting history in my view. I don't know what IML stands for but I think if he is town though that it would be pretty obvious if the mafia just decided to pile on the last couple votes without letting him respond. That being said, I'd like to hear from both Giggle and Derrida before I come to a final decision as to which reads more scummy so ##Unvote | ||
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On January 10 2014 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's not about style. It's about the mindset. Derrida's mindset in this game seems totally different than in his newbie game. I'll read over it tomorrow but I still won't put much stock into it as I think people can change their play, especially when they've only got one game played it is probably very easy to change their game. | ||
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I read Derrida's new posts as scummy because it seems like he's intentionally tunneling on HolyFlare because Holy/Rayn both said "GGTeMpLaR wouldn't tunnel so hard on Derrida if he were town" so he's trying to emulate a behavior by one player that read as town to other players. On January 10 2014 21:06 Derrida wrote: Please share the alignments you have figured out so far with the help of your scheme. I'll grant him that this is true because all of the alignments HolyFlare have pointed out are based on things that are from the actual game and have nothing to do with scooby doo, despite his insistence that scooby doo game is solving the game. It does feel a little bit like he's sheeping the argument I already had against the scooby doo game though, but he brought up a lot of points that (even if I don't really agree with them) are unique. I'm less confident in my scumread on Derrida today, but I still think he's scummy. On January 10 2014 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look i try to explain. Holyflare's mini game is not a scum tell. You guys are calling it a scum tell because it distracts the thread while in fact it has promoted the most useful discussion there is. It started the scumhunting discussion. I don't know what thread you are reading if that's not your conclusion. This specific part of the post is wrong. Me going hard on Holy, then Derrida is what started the scumhunting discussion and forced people to start expressing their thoughts on the matter. On January 11 2014 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Derrida is quote obviously town and you and Mocsta should see it. So yeah, process of elimination and your unwillingness to help the town or interact with people. I disagree. Also, if you think there are 2/3 scum between Artanis/Mocsta/Giggle and Artanis confidently and fearlessly continues his troll and gives null reads on both of them, do you honestly think he's scum with one of them and doing that? It would be an extremely bold play for a mafia to make in that situation and I still think he's right to not clear Derrida as town as you and HolyFlare have. On January 11 2014 03:16 Giggletummy wrote: @ggtemplar This is a poor way to scumhunt, and is going to lead you down a lot of wrong paths. You can assume anyone is scum and find reasons that their actions are then scummy. If you're mafia, it's how you make decent-sounding scum reads. If you're town, it's how you tunnel, often incorrectly. It's not at all a good way to get scumreads, because if you're town you're doing exactly what mafia would like to be doing, and you're starting with someone being scum and then finding actions, rather than using actions to find someone scummy in the first place. Artanis's initial scumread is this: to which you responded Are you saying that you considered artanis's initial barking a concrete/solid scumread? Are you saying you presented your thoughts on derrida? Or does the bolded bit of your later quote only apply to later posts? Would like to see you back this bit up. I wasn't necessarily using that method to scumhunt. I was responding to HolyFlare that using his own logic from my perspective, a different conclusion is reached because the alignment of non-voters vs voters is proportioned differently from someone who was voting vs someone who wasn't. It's really scummy of you to completely ignore/forget the context in which I said I made that assumption. Rayne had said that "Holyflare's intentions are still unclear, so him doing what he did is a null-tell." which is a fairly obvious thing to state but I was explicitly asked what I thought HolyFlare's (I think it might have even been by you who asked this of me) intentions were and given that I already initially scumread HolyFlare, I would work from my read to guess what his intentions are. I gave explicit reasons why I thought Derrida was scum that had nothing to do with making an assumption. This is the post where I gave my reasons - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=7#140 I assumed the post fairly obviously looked scummy so when Artanis bark'd at the same post in question I had a lot of issues with, I took it to mean that we were thinking along the same line of reasoning regarding why Derrida was initially scummy. Perhaps I was wrong to assume so as his newer reasons for scumreading Derrida are different than mine, but I think we were on the same page regarding the initial scumread. | ||
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I'm currently trusting Holy/Rayn/Artanis as town. That leaves between Giggle who is slightly scummy and Mocsta who is basically lurking for the last scum. It's really risky for Mocsta to have voted on Derrida though in L-1 so it's more likely to be Giggle with Derrida (which makes sense that he defended him as well). | ||
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On January 11 2014 07:58 Giggletummy wrote: GG, how do you feel about the filters that HF posted? How do you feel about the rest of derrida's filter, other than the couple posts you mentioned in your initial vote. Pull some specific things if you would. I think he might be reading too much into Rayn's 'pretty' mini-game in light of his overall play, but regardless of that, I think Rayn's playful post made it slightly easier the scum to hide without actually obliging his pings for information because they can just ignore the request on the pretext that it's a joke post to begin with. HolyLight made the accusation much more direct though if he was right in saying that is what Rayn was getting at. I think instead of asking me what I thought of his accusations against three people who refuse to commit to reads on each other (one of which is yourself), you should actually address them yourself since they very much are against you. The very fact that you're still ignoring them and pinging me for my opinion of it reads scummy to me. If you're town in this situation you should have no problem giving your reads on Mocsta/Artanis. Artanis didn't mind at all, even if they were null/fence reads he still honestly gave them. You're stubbornly refusing/dodging the pressure while Mocsta is still lurking. Regarding the newer Derrida posts, I already gave my thoughts that they were scummy. I read Derrida's new posts as scummy because it seems like he's intentionally tunneling on HolyFlare because Holy/Rayn both said "GGTeMpLaR wouldn't tunnel so hard on Derrida if he were town" so he's trying to emulate a behavior by one player that read as town to other players. I'll grant him that this is true because all of the alignments HolyFlare have pointed out are based on things that are from the actual game and have nothing to do with scooby doo, despite his insistence that scooby doo game is solving the game. It does feel a little bit like he's sheeping the argument I already had against the scooby doo game though, but he brought up a lot of points that (even if I don't really agree with them) are unique. I'm less confident in my scumread on Derrida today, but I still think he's scummy. If you'd like me to further elaborate on his new posts, I think his saying this further feels like trying to sheep people to 'blend in' to the town. On January 10 2014 20:35 Derrida wrote: As I told you guys before, I am town. Please do not waste your precious time on analyzing my posts. Derrida confirmed town. His assumption for why HolyFlare is scum is literally the same argument I had with HolyFlare last night, except he's actually arguing what Holy/Rayn thought I was arguing when I was arguing something else. I also think it's scummy how he accused me of being with Holy for taking the most critical position against him. The only way I see him not being scum here is if he's paranoid town, and if that's the case, I'd think you are with Mocsta, which explains your unwillingness to acknowledge of HolyFlare's accusation against you by deflecting onto me and continued refusal to give any reads on the pair of Mocsta/Artanis. You just keep asking me questions about my reads without giving any of yours, and when you do critique my posts, you don't even get the context right of the arguments you use against me. When corrected by me pointing out the context, you ignore my counter-arguments and ask me more questions. ##Vote Giggle | ||
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On January 11 2014 09:12 Giggletummy wrote: My dear gg, it is difficult to ask you anything other than question. I cannot very well ask you platypi, or ask you trees. No no, that won't do. I'm afraid I'll stick to asking questions. Did you read derrida's filter from his newbie game? What are your thoughts on whether or not I read derrida's filter from his newbie game? How would a "yes" answer from me lead you to read me compared to a "no" answer from me? And more importantly, how is this relevant to your read on Mocsta/Artanis? | ||
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I'm going over it right now though. | ||
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I'm not going to townread him based on that fact alone but he's not my vote for today anyways. | ||
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-While he is correct to note that Holy's main accusation is a meta-read, I think how Mocsta keeps filling his posts with excuses and filler content is extremely scummy. The only good point I like about Mocsta's initial accusation against HF is just a sheep'd read that HF shouldn't have cleared Derrida as town as quickly as he did. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=20#382 -I actually agree that HF's metaread in-of-itself is weak, but the only reads Mocsta are giving here are unrelated to it are just the backlash against "HF/Rayn for using said metaread", and that "Artanis is town here for sticking to his guns". These are extremely weak reasoned reads. I was scumreading Mocsta for these reasons until he did the self-vote shit. I don't really know if I should read it as a null-tell or what but at the very least I find it pretty bm. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=19#367 -I think Giggletummy actually made decent points against Rayn, especially his noting how Rayn's early arguments against Artanis were weak. He also brings up solid points on the inconsistency of which players posting history are being looked at vs which are being ignored, especially after how much shit I got for not looking into Derrida's posting history. I don't like how Rayn still accuses Giggle of not taking a stance on Mocsta/Artanis when he literally talks about them in the few posts above - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=19#373 I am town-reading Giggle and scum-reading Rayn for these reasons. ##Unvote http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=23#442 -I will say though that I hate when anyone uses "policy lynch" as a reason for voting in any situation. Giggle is actually being really hypocritical here because in policy lynching someone you think is town for "making the game less fun by giving up", he himself is in a sense giving up as well and making the game less fun for the rest of us. That being said, aside from this, I've really liked Gummi as town since the last time I checked into the thread. His hard policy-lynch conviction doesn't necessarily read town, but it seems genuine to me, even if it's total bullshit hypocrisy. If you are holding yourself to the same standards you hold others to, you scumhunt, not policy lynch people you think are town. Voting someone else you think is town is just as BM as voting yourself as town. Between Rayn and Mocsta, I'm honestly more suspicious of Rayn than Mocsta at the moment mainly for these reasons- -Rayn so quickly read Derrida as town (like he had perfect information and was looking for an easy pocket) and went hard onto me for disagreeing when I felt there were excellent reasons to read him as scum -It very much felt like Rayn's reads on Artanis (saying he was trolling and not playing the game - which was incorrect) was extremely inconsistent with his reads of HF -This point is speculation but it honestly feels like Rayn pressuring Giggle over his policy-vote is setting himself up to go hard on Giggle tomorrow when Mocsta flips green (which is another reason you should never policy-lynch someone you think is town Giggle) -And lastly, I've grown less sure of HF and I'm actually thinking that they both pocketed the shit out of me, especially with the Backho BW reference and Scooby Doo stories (which I actually thought were hilarious even though I misread HF's "clue searching encouragement" initially) So this is where I'm at ##Vote Rayn | ||
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On January 12 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: This game is filled with really fucking stupid people. thanks | ||
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On January 12 2014 09:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sorry. :/ GGTeMpLaR or Artanis is mafia. Both can be lynched whoever dies. Doctor do not protect these guys. Giggletummy's posts make no sense from scum perspective if it was a bus. Derrida & Holyflare are quite town. I don't like this line of reasoning because I know I'm town and I still read Artanis as town as well. He was one of the first to vote on Mocsta. I don't think you can look into his unvote off Mocsta as scummy since he never really tried to get it onto anyone else. | ||
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On January 12 2014 09:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: You can say what you want, it does not make it any less true. Independent of Mocsta flipping red, this is the scummiest post of the entire thread. | ||
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On January 12 2014 09:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah he voted for Mocsta at the start of the game. Cool story. When Mocsta was in serious danger of being lynched he in fact did not want to vote for Mocsta. Why exactly do you read Artanis as town? I actually forgot that he had done that early on in the game. I honestly think of it as a null read though. It would look much more suspicious of Artanis if he actually tried to significantly defend Mocsta or pushed hard to move the votes elsewhere, which he did not. I haven't cleared Artanis as confirmed town but he's definitely not my top scum for reasons I've stated in my previous posts. | ||
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HolyFlare's misinterpretation of his clue scheme which he has set up from the start as a frame job against me is an obvious sign of his guilt. Unfortunately, I'm a better detective than he realized and instantly saw through this charade. First, HF fails to mention what kind of an organization the Knights Templar were. A Christian Holy Order. How convenient. Let's continue. When did HolyFlare create his TL.net account? On the 28th of November, 1999 - wait for it - a Sunday, the Holy day. Do you know the significance of the November? November is two months after September, the month the first episode of "Scooby-Doo, Where Are You!" aired in 1969. Do you know what else is two? HF's average posts per day on his TL.net profile. There is more. If you look closely at the background image hidden behind the text linked, it strongly resembles a "badge-like" ornament that one might pin onto a vest. It is no coincidence he specifically called it a "symbol", which just so happens to be what a "badge" is. Ring any bells? Badges like these are used in the cult classic "Office Space" as a decorative ornament commonly referred to as flair throughout the movie. It's been right there in front of our eyes the entire time. ![[image loading]](http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/dvd/fox/officespace/Office6_L.jpg) Jennifer Anniston has probably been called an angel thousands of times in her life. What are angels? They are Holy. Jennifer Anniston only used the bare minimum amount of flair. Look back, he created his account on the 28th, which just so happens to be the 'bare minimum' amount of days in the month of February. February is the month that this very same movie was released. Coincidence? I think not. The connections are there and the clues point to none other than "HolyFlare". Case closed. | ||
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I'm going off my reads elaborated in the previous pages which currently point to Rayn as the likely scum and Artanis as likely town. | ||
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On January 12 2014 16:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) Yeah because i can actually read people. 2) No you are wrong. Artanis quoted posts and said they look scummy. That's not playing. Holyflare was playing the game by giving actual reads that are based on something. 3) Can't possibly be true because Mocsta was mafia. 4) Can't possibly be true because Mocsta was mafia Try again scum.. 1) If you're reading me as scum, then you clearly can't 2) No you're wrong. At the time Artanis actually quoted scummy posts at least and gave reads on people. Holyflare was spamming scooby-doo for the first two pages before he gave an actual read (aside from calling Derrida confirmed town without any reasons) | ||
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On January 12 2014 16:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Btw your excellent reasons for reading Derrida scum are so excellent he is town now for you. Makes sense? Because I ever came out and said I was reading him as town. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_fallacy | ||
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On January 12 2014 18:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote: 1) If you're reading me as scum, then you clearly can't 2) No you're wrong. At the time Artanis actually quoted scummy posts at least and gave reads on people. Holyflare was spamming scooby-doo for the first two pages before he gave an actual read (aside from calling Derrida confirmed town without any reasons) Regarding 2, I mean first two pages of his filter alone. It was far more than the first 2 pages of the actual game. | ||
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In light of the fact that you and HF can't be mafia together at this point, I'm just going to work on the assumption that since you two have such a strong history of playing with each other (to my understanding) that one of you wouldn't confirm the other as town if you weren't absolutely certain. At this point, I'm going to have to say it's between Derrida or Giggle. They both had pretty crappy reasons for voting on Mocsta, who had practically buried himself. In fact, I don't even think Derrida gave a reason, he just hammered the vote and claimed confirmed town for doing it. Meanwhile, Giggle simply claimed it was a policy lynch. I liked a lot of what Giggle contributed on D1 so that just leaves Derrida. From my perspective, if you and HF are correct about each other, this game is autowin because we just lynch Derrida/Giggle and one of them will be scum. If you waste a misslynch on me however, you'll have to discern between which one of them the scum is (again, assuming that you two are right to confirm each other as town). I'd still look at Derrida over Giggle, but I haven't gone and done any real analysis of the player filters since Mocsta flipped red. | ||
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On January 13 2014 16:52 Holyflare wrote: You display all the patterns of a scum whose partner was getting lynched, your attitude at the start was sending crazy mixed messages. The shot on artanis could realistically only come from you. Your reads are beyond the normal town flip flopping and now you try and blame the games demise on one of me and rayn instead of trying to further solve the game or actually determine whether me or rayn were wrong about each other. You are scum, you played well for your second game of scum. Sleep easy young babe for it shall all be over soon. My attitude in the beginning was to get the game to start. Nothing mixed about it. I can't really remember any serious reads before my first post. Independent of that fact, how was my attitude at the start of the game relevant to the pattern of a "scum whose partner was just lynched" anyways? I'd love for you to explain the Artanis shot conclusion as I don't see why it's incompatible for anyone's play to have shot him. I guess if that's true about my reads, then I just flip flop more than the ordinary player. There is no "games demise" for me to blame anyone for right now. We're in a really good position having lynched the first scum D1. I'm just saying if you or Rayn flip scum this game and the town of you misshammers in final 3, should you even be alive, that person will be to blame for the town loss, especially if they just go into the day like you did blind-voting without any hesitation or second-guessing. Lastly, it's pretty-pretty-pretty ironic of you to accuse me of not trying to further solve the game when I was the first person to put any actual thought into the game since D2 started. I put some trust into you two as veterans to re-evaluate each other today and if you still vouch for each other with certainty, it has to be between Derrida or Giggle. I am not scum and this is my first town game. Perhaps you should use your filter comparison skills you used to clear Derrida as town on me and tell me what the results are. | ||
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Also, Rayn is acting as mad as someone who just had their partner get lynched who voted themselves D1. This is the second time he's lost his temper (the first when I voted him over Mocsta) and acted bm-as-fuck responding with ad hominem to people's arguments and completely ignoring them. Then again, HF ignored all of my arguments as well after I asked him to back up some of his baseless accusations. I'm honestly fine with voting either of them at this point because I'd rather lose to lurker mafia than bm mafia who isn't even playing the game. And even if they're town, they're bad town. I don't want to go to final 3 with either of them because they will throw if they play like they did today. ##Vote Rayn I don't care if that makes me look scummy for flip flopping - in light of new information, my reads will change. Aside from the point about Office Space, Giggle just made the only townie post since the day started. Even if he's wrong about me, at least he's giving unique reasons for his reads. | ||
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On January 14 2014 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care if it's sarcasm or not. I am tired of people making bullshit arguments. Or bullshit posts. You've made more bullshit arguments and bullshit posts than anyone this game. | ||
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On January 14 2014 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: his reads change every second for no reason. | ||
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On January 14 2014 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: FYI getting mad over stupidity is not a scumtell. You're the only one acting stupid here. | ||
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On January 14 2014 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah that's exactly what you do and that's why you are scum. It's not. I have given reasons every time my reads have shifted. | ||
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On January 14 2014 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: No. This is literally what you do: "rayn and Holyflare are scum" (when one mafia has flipped) I point out your bad logic. "oh, rayn i scum, artanis so town, holyflare maybe scum" then artanis dies "oh rayn is town, holyflre town" then someone makes some bullshit arguments, i call them out of it "oh but rayn is scum" That's so bullshit. so so very bullshit there is no way you are town. ggnore. Where exactly did you point out my "bad logic" again? I haven't made a bullshit argument yet. I'm playing the game, giving reads, and asking for information. This very post of yours is, ironically, itself a bullshit argument. You're either the worst town I've seen or mafia ##Vote Rayn ##Vote Rayn ##Vote Rayn ##Vote Rayn ##Vote Rayn | ||
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On January 14 2014 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: like i don't even care to argue with you because your löogic for your reads can't possible come from a townie and everyone who reads your filter can see it. You aren't arguing with me anyways, you're just spewing ad hominem out of your mouth. | ||
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On January 14 2014 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: You have me as your scumread. Artanis has me as his scumread. Artanis gets killed. I am suddenly your townread. There is no logic. That wasn't why I said you were town. I said I was willing to make an assumption based on the veterancy of HF and yourself and your certain reads of each other but the way you've both played today has called into question the safeness of that assumption from my perspective. If there's a shortcut I can make use of I'd like to use it. If that reads scum then w/e | ||
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On January 14 2014 06:30 Holyflare wrote: How can you say that I've been playing bad when i literally lynched scum yesterday? Lolol you funny. Now you are annoyed that I've brought up your name and posted why you are scum and 2 other people agree? Are we all scum? I could make a case but i don't need to because other people have eyes and some have some resemblance of brains. I'm also studying for my exams which were today and tomorrow. Your vote on rayn is.... Yeh Giggle why did you not vote templar when you just posted all of that? Yesterday is not today, I never said you played poorly D1 (aside from the scooby doo spam at the start, you played fine). D2, you made a ton of spam posts, gave baseless accusations for why I'm scum, and when I responded with counterarguments, you ignored them. You haven't played well today at all. I just said I actually think Giggle is town because he gave unique reasons for me being scum that I honestly would see eye-to-eye with if I was in his shoes, so no you aren't all scum. | ||
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On January 14 2014 06:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no reason to change your read from N1 when nothing has changed besides Artanis dying. Stop squirming scum. I red you and Mocsta both as scummy, but didn't necessarily draw a hard connection between the two of you being scum together. When Mocsta flipped red, that eliminates the possibility of you being paired with HF. Why wouldn't any town change their reads in light of said new information? | ||
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On January 14 2014 06:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are avoiding the issue. You read me scum. Artanis read me scum. Artanis flipped. This, to you, if you are town, should point me being scum MORE. You read me town. Again, there is no logic. Nothing else happened between. No you are ignoring my logic. I hadn't ever considered you as a lone scum at that point because of the surety of HF's townread on you. I considered you might be with him, but when Mocsta flips red, you being with HF ceases to be possible. I actually think it would be much more mafia of me to bring up the night death and who their scumread is. "Hey guys, the guy who scumread Rayn died last night. He's probably scum" That's literally the easiest read to make in the history of ever. How does it read townie for someone to point that out? It's more an observation than anything as it's blatantly obvious to everyone who died and what their reads were already. I follow the reasoning behind it but my reads were based on other things less obvious. | ||
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On January 14 2014 06:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, GGTeMpLaR is mafia nad we should end the game. No, you are tunneled mafia and are gonna have a lot of fun explaining why you're town tomorrow if I get lynched today. | ||
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On January 14 2014 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: scumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscum. I understand why you think I have no reasons for flipping now. You literally are ignoring them. That's a pretty good mafia strategy - just ignore peoples reasons and then call them scum for not giving any. such amaze | ||
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On January 14 2014 06:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: How can mafia be tunneled? Easy. Just look at what you've done today. | ||
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I haven't once called you scum for reading me as scum (even though you haven't even said why you think I am scum). If you would like to be reminded how town plays this game, see Giggle's post. Those are logical reasons a town might read someone as mafia. | ||
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On January 14 2014 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: So lay out every reason why i am mafia and why my behavior comes more likely from mafia perspective than from town perspective and i demolish them. go! I've yet to see anything like this from you since D2 started and it was pretty scarce even on D1. You can't just give bullshit accusations without reasons and ask everyone to repeat their reasons again and again. How about you go back and reread my filter. The reasons I think you're scum are all there. | ||
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On January 14 2014 06:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have posted the same case three times. Who is not reading? I've refuted that same case three times. Clearly you aren't for ignoring my responses. | ||
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On January 14 2014 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1. OMGUS 2. I get mad over stupidity as town. Not alignment indicative 3. See (2) 4. You don't even call me scum, you don't even care who is lynched between me and HF. 5. Implies you don't even think me/HF is scum, you just don't want us alive. What was your case again? 1. Not OMGUS. I'm not calling you scum because you read me as scum. I've backed off a reason I town-read I had assumed I could make for both of you. 2/3. Fine. 4. I voted you over HF, it's clear I care. 5. No such implication is made. It's merely a pre-emptive acknowledgement that I'm not saying you're confirmed scum. Some people like to misuse the word "certain" and "confirmed" and others don't. | ||
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On January 14 2014 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are not even calling me scum!!! You are scum. | ||
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1. First actual post with reads On January 10 2014 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have read. ##Vote: GGTeMpLaR Derrida is a pretty pretty town. Holyflare most likely town for realising it. You sheep HF's read on Derrida that didn't even have any reasons behind it to begin with. You then vote on me for no reason aside from going hard on someone you've cleared as town without any reason. 2. Next actual real post with any reads - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=11#203 You pocket HF by giving a biased argument centered around me and everyone else being responsible for shitting up the thread, and say HF isn't responsible when the first two pages of his filter are spam. HF hasn't even given a read on the game at this point (aside from saying Derrida is confirmed town), yet you know he's town. How's that scum? | ||
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Your response to it? On January 12 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: This game is filled with really fucking stupid people. How about you actually look at it instead of ignoring it and calling me fucking stupid? scumbag | ||
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On January 14 2014 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have answered that post and it was all about "rayn is mafia because Mocsta is town". Can we stop this bullshit already? I don't know, can you? If you actually read it you'd know I never called Mocsta town. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/speculation?s=t | ||
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On January 14 2014 07:41 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I don't know, can you? If you actually read it you'd know I never called Mocsta town. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/speculation?s=t literacy is a good skill toi have | ||
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On January 14 2014 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you voted me because you were "speculating a possible scenario you can back off if needed". That's like textbook scum play, not commiting on a read, leaving yourself outs left and right. GGTeMpLaR is so mafia it comes out from his ears, can you guys please just vote for him so we can end this gmae? wow I don't even the bold part wat? I'll just bold why I voted for you to make it easiest on us both | ||
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On January 12 2014 07:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=19#367 -I think Giggletummy actually made decent points against Rayn, especially his noting how Rayn's early arguments against Artanis were weak. He also brings up solid points on the inconsistency of which players posting history are being looked at vs which are being ignored, especially after how much shit I got for not looking into Derrida's posting history. I don't like how Rayn still accuses Giggle of not taking a stance on Mocsta/Artanis when he literally talks about them in the few posts above - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=19#373 I am town-reading Giggle and scum-reading Rayn for these reasons. ##Unvote Between Rayn and Mocsta, I'm honestly more suspicious of Rayn than Mocsta at the moment mainly for these reasons- -Rayn so quickly read Derrida as town (like he had perfect information and was looking for an easy pocket) and went hard onto me for disagreeing when I felt there were excellent reasons to read him as scum -It very much felt like Rayn's reads on Artanis (saying he was trolling and not playing the game - which was incorrect) was extremely inconsistent with his reads of HF -This point is speculation but it honestly feels like Rayn pressuring Giggle over his policy-vote is setting himself up to go hard on Giggle tomorrow when Mocsta flips green (which is another reason you should never policy-lynch someone you think is town Giggle) I didn't bold the last bit just for you Scummy-Scummy-Doo <3 | ||
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On January 14 2014 08:00 Holyflare wrote: You literally adopted the policy that rayn was town because i said so and referred to me being a vet so i know my stuff. Why did you not then accept my town read of derrida? Normally I wouldn't even consider these things as it's borderline http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_authority It wasn't ever that you were a vet, but that you have a long history of games with rayn together. It's a risky shortcut I felt comfortable making before. I don't feel comfortable making it anymore though and I think you're just wrong on rayn who is probably the remaining scum. | ||
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You were really scummy early on, but what's even more scummy is how Rayn literally sheeped your every move and pretended to be in on it. I think you got pocketed hardcore. | ||
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On January 14 2014 11:45 Holyflare wrote: Templar i had you as scum day 1 that clue i sent to rayn was legit reads. If you guys kept playing it would have gotten so much better! The thing that convinced me you were scum was that post you called scummy in your qt, i just couldn't spend time making cases because a) people didn't listen day 1 and b) i have exams. You shouldn't be afraid to call out your team mate as scummy when he does something genuinely scummy like that. which one? | ||
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On January 14 2014 12:11 Holyflare wrote: The one where mocsta self voted and you said he might be scum but rayn is more scummy the one with all the links to posts Oh yea, I was like "well shit" when Derrida hammered him. | ||
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