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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 07 2014 07:26 GMT
#4
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2014 19:46 GMT
#108
Holyflare is my scumtell right now because he presumes to act like a confirmed town without having actually made any contributions to town himself. He just keeps asking for others to find clues for him.

Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2014 20:02 GMT
#111
The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me.

The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content.

+ Show Spoiler +
/mysterymachine
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2014 20:13 GMT
#115
Could be either, there is flexibility there.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2014 20:18 GMT
#117
I like Artanis because I think he just sniffed out the second scum.

I'll be back in a few hours.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2014 22:28 GMT
#140
On January 10 2014 06:26 Giggletummy wrote:
I don't like that artanis is content to just play dog. There's no real rush on the day, but whereas you messed around and tried to get other people to mess around (townie), artanis is content to do nothing more than mess around. I don't count the non-me bark as not messing around. He also has 2 brackets in his name, and we have 2 scum.


After this post you joke around some more with HolyFlare who still hasn't given a read despite me pinging him.

Artanis actually gave a scum read (or at least, that's what I read into his barking at Derrida as) that I agree with. At least he's playing the game while trolling. HolyFlare is still trying to recruit people into his mysteryvan. How do you read Artanis scummy over HolyFlare and Derrida?

First, very early on, Derrida makes a feigning confusion post.

On January 10 2014 02:16 Derrida wrote:
No idea what's going on at the moment.


Then he instantly bandwagons my argument the fluff without even scum-reading HolyFlare. Further, he contributes nothing new himself and just asks an open-ended question to everyone about Artanis.

On January 10 2014 05:09 Derrida wrote:
^ Agreed, I am disliking this amount of fluff. We need to get back to reads. What do you guys think about Artanis playing along with the Scooby Doo scheme?


This being the post that he barked at.

##Vote: Derrida
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2014 23:36 GMT
#148
C
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 09 2014 23:54 GMT
#154
A
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 10 2014 00:33 GMT
#178
I don't follow your logic for clearing him as confirmed town, but I'm glad you're playing the game now.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 10 2014 00:36 GMT
#182
I was reading you as trolly town after you refused to give a fuck about my pressure and kept making giant scooby doo stories when I gave good reasons for why you might have been scum and should stop.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 10 2014 06:57 GMT
#196
On January 10 2014 12:56 Derrida wrote:
I am town you noobs, unvote me.



On January 10 2014 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have read.
##Vote: GGTeMpLaR

Derrida is a pretty pretty town. Holyflare most likely town for realising it.


I am town you noob, unvote me.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 10 2014 07:03 GMT
#200
On January 10 2014 16:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm pretty sure you're not.
p.r.e.t.t.y counter has reached 4.


Explain?
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 10 2014 08:12 GMT
#212
On January 10 2014 16:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why i think GGTeMpLaR is mafia:

These posts:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 04:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Holyflare is my scumtell right now because he presumes to act like a confirmed town without having actually made any contributions to town himself. He just keeps asking for others to find clues for him.

Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes.


Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 05:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me.

The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content.

+ Show Spoiler +
/mysterymachine

First of all, he is accusing Holyflare of promoting shitting up the thread. This is a completely inaccurate accusation. Holyflare's intentions are still unclear, so him doing what he did is a null-tell.

Second, nobody is forced to play along with Holyflare's Scooby-doo game if they do not want to. But GGTeMpLaR himself enters the van. He is himself promoting the "shitting up the thread" that Holyflare can't possibly stop because Holyflare is not responsible for other people's actions.

- GGTeMpLaR calls Holyflare scummy for shitting up the thread -> but the joins the shitting up the thread instead of stopping him.
- GGTeMpLaR says Holyflare is responsible for shitting up the thread when nobody is forced to play the game. If someone is responsible for shitting up the thread it's all the people who +1 Holyflare's game, not Holyflare.
- Both of above are incorrect logic and looks like GGTeMpLaR is just trying to find an easy target rather than find people's motives behind their actions.


First, I made an educated guess about his intentions when I scumread him. Under the assumption that HolyFlare is scum, I think my guess about his intentions made perfect sense.

Second, I pointed out before I don't care if people are going to troll as long as they are going to give concrete reads and play the game as well (hence why I actually approved of Artanis even though he was acting like a dog - he gave a solid scumread that lined up with my thoughts and quoted the same post I had issue with, even going so far as bolding the significant portion of the quote). My entering the van was not fluff or spam, it was a little "ok, I'll humor you if you insist on this" under the main body of my accusation and explanation of my read. I tried to meet him halfway by tossing him a bone in the hopes that he would give something concrete.

I never accused HolyFlare for posts he didn't make or said he was solely responsible for shitting up the thread. Over half the game was making null-read troll posts that filled the thread with filler. I accused HolyFlare for assuming he was a townie looking for clues when all he was doing was asking other people to "look for clues" without giving any actual reads himself. If you call what I was doing "shitting up the thread" then I don't know how to play this game.

You're 100% wrong to say Holyflare isn't responsible. Anyone who posts fluff is responsible for themselves posting fluff. Other people were giving reads at least while trolling. HolyFlare literally didn't give a single read until we made him tired of writing scooby doo paragraphs.

I find your accusation of me and the logic behind it weak and I think you've entirely misrepresented a lot of what I said.

Also, I would still love to know how you have a town-read on Derrida when he hasn't even properly responded to the thread.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 10 2014 08:23 GMT
#216
[QUOTE]On January 10 2014 16:53 Holyflare wrote:
Also the fact that he quite literally stated:

[QUOTE]On January 10 2014 04:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Holyflare is my scumtell right now because he presumes to act like a confirmed town without having actually made any contributions to town himself. He just keeps asking for others to find clues for him.

Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes.[/QUOTE]

that I am his "scum tell" (odd choice of words???) but then within the NEXT POST has contradicted himself to say that:

[QUOTE]On January 10 2014 05:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me.

The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content.

+ Show Spoiler +
/mysterymachine
[/QUOTE]

all the posts and actions done by myself so far are in fact a "null tell", this was before I had even posted half of what I had posted now!!! However, he completely drops off of me and I'm now actually a townie


The silly atmosphere of general trolling read null, but your specific insistence that others look for clues when you yourself were not is what read scummy as I noted in my previous post and in my initial accusation. You too are misrepresenting the nuances of my read on you.

I didn't think it was a null-tell I thought it ignoring the pressure read like you had nothing to hide and were just going to continue having fun. I thought it would be much more likely as a mafia there to stop your games and get overly defensive against my initial ping.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 10 2014 08:24 GMT
#217
#FIX of the above mispost

On January 10 2014 16:53 Holyflare wrote:
Also the fact that he quite literally stated:

Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 04:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Holyflare is my scumtell right now because he presumes to act like a confirmed town without having actually made any contributions to town himself. He just keeps asking for others to find clues for him.

Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes.


that I am his "scum tell" (odd choice of words???) but then within the NEXT POST has contradicted himself to say that:

Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 05:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me.

The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content.

+ Show Spoiler +
/mysterymachine


all the posts and actions done by myself so far are in fact a "null tell", this was before I had even posted half of what I had posted now!!! However, he completely drops off of me and I'm now actually a townie

Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 09:36 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I was reading you as trolly town after you refused to give a fuck about my pressure and kept making giant scooby doo stories when I gave good reasons for why you might have been scum and should stop.


because I ignored him and continued to spam... All in the meanwhile he has made a semi-case on Derrridadadada the total towny+++ and voted him without discussing with his vote target or anyone else in an IML game. Unacceptable!




I hesitate to vote right now (do we even have a time limit in this game..?) because the quest to save scooby doo MUST be completed.


The silly atmosphere of general trolling read null, but your specific insistence that others look for clues when you yourself were not is what read scummy as I noted in my previous post and in my initial accusation. You too are misrepresenting the nuances of my read on you.

I didn't think it was a null-tell I thought it ignoring the pressure read like you had nothing to hide and were just going to continue having fun. I thought it would be much more likely as a mafia there to stop your games and get overly defensive against my initial ping.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 10 2014 08:26 GMT
#219
On January 10 2014 17:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you first thought Holyflare was posting fluff (when you didn't even know his intentions behind his post about the minigame), then you called him scummy for it, and then you joined the minigame which gives him a "permission" to continue this scummy behavior. That is townie exactly how?

If you thought his posts are fluff and he is mafia trying to hide behind shitposting why did you not tell him to cut the crap instead on +1'ing his crap?

Also who is your top scumread and why?


On January 10 2014 17:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2014 16:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why i think GGTeMpLaR is mafia:

These posts:
On January 10 2014 04:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Holyflare is my scumtell right now because he presumes to act like a confirmed town without having actually made any contributions to town himself. He just keeps asking for others to find clues for him.

Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes.


On January 10 2014 05:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me.

The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content.

+ Show Spoiler +
/mysterymachine

First of all, he is accusing Holyflare of promoting shitting up the thread. This is a completely inaccurate accusation. Holyflare's intentions are still unclear, so him doing what he did is a null-tell.

Second, nobody is forced to play along with Holyflare's Scooby-doo game if they do not want to. But GGTeMpLaR himself enters the van. He is himself promoting the "shitting up the thread" that Holyflare can't possibly stop because Holyflare is not responsible for other people's actions.

- GGTeMpLaR calls Holyflare scummy for shitting up the thread -> but the joins the shitting up the thread instead of stopping him.
- GGTeMpLaR says Holyflare is responsible for shitting up the thread when nobody is forced to play the game. If someone is responsible for shitting up the thread it's all the people who +1 Holyflare's game, not Holyflare.
- Both of above are incorrect logic and looks like GGTeMpLaR is just trying to find an easy target rather than find people's motives behind their actions.


First, I made an educated guess about his intentions when I scumread him. Under the assumption that HolyFlare is scum, I think my guess about his intentions made perfect sense.

Second, I pointed out before I don't care if people are going to troll as long as they are going to give concrete reads and play the game as well (hence why I actually approved of Artanis even though he was acting like a dog - he gave a solid scumread that lined up with my thoughts and quoted the same post I had issue with, even going so far as bolding the significant portion of the quote). My entering the van was not fluff or spam, it was a little "ok, I'll humor you if you insist on this" under the main body of my accusation and explanation of my read. I tried to meet him halfway by tossing him a bone in the hopes that he would give something concrete.

I never accused HolyFlare for posts he didn't make or said he was solely responsible for shitting up the thread. Over half the game was making null-read troll posts that filled the thread with filler. I accused HolyFlare for assuming he was a townie looking for clues when all he was doing was asking other people to "look for clues" without giving any actual reads himself. If you call what I was doing "shitting up the thread" then I don't know how to play this game.

You're 100% wrong to say Holyflare isn't responsible. Anyone who posts fluff is responsible for themselves posting fluff. Other people were giving reads at least while trolling. HolyFlare literally didn't give a single read until we made him tired of writing scooby doo paragraphs.

I find your accusation of me and the logic behind it weak and I think you've entirely misrepresented a lot of what I said.

Also, I would still love to know how you have a town-read on Derrida when he hasn't even properly responded to the thread.


I bolded it for you since you got it wrong again.

I figure I shouldn't have to tell him to stop, my pinging him as scum for not giving reads despite asking others to search for scum should have sent the message.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 10 2014 08:39 GMT
#225
I didn't read his opening post as town at all. This is actually my second forum game too but you didn't see me trying to use that to gain favor in my intro post, I actually started trying to find scum. I still think Derrida is likely scum until he responds to my concerns or provides something that reads more town to me.

I really don't like my arguments being misrepresented by either you or HolyFlare, but I still think the way HolyFlare reacted to my pressure read more townie than the way a mafia might react.

I will say that I think HolyFlare's logic for why he is confirmed town for getting to L-1 is circumstantial evidence in my opinion. Three people scumread him and three people had nothing to say about him. I don't think that in-of-itself reads anything but null.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 10 2014 08:43 GMT
#226
On January 10 2014 17:28 Holyflare wrote:
Also, templar, you are clearly not reading my posts if you are insinuating that I am making everyone else do all the work by "looking for clues". I AM SCOOBY DOO THE KIDNAPPED CHARACTER. Where do you think these clues are coming from? I post fluff and magically clues appear? No. That is clearly not the case.

Why don't you save scooby and velma instead for now.


Ok, maybe I read into you asking people to search for clues too literally as asking people to find the mafia.

If you were only saying that as a part of your game then I took that to mean more than it did so woopsies - lol
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 10 2014 08:51 GMT
#230
On January 10 2014 17:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you are basically accusing Derrida of the same thing you did?
Calling HF's minigame fluff and useless and then +1'ing it.


No because I was still actually scum hunting and provided a specific accusation against a specific individual whereas he just sheeped what I said without providing anything concrete.

It just turns out I read too much into him asking for us all to "search for clues" so my scum read didn't ever really make sense on Holy
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
January 10 2014 08:55 GMT
#232
That might work for you but from my perspective the probability is flipped.

Either Mocsta or Artanis bussed him (unlikely) or he's scum with any of You/Giggle/Rayn.
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