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On a more serious note, here it is folks, the damning evidence that reveals the mafia who has been standing in front of us all along, leading us along this mummer's farce as puppets.
HolyFlare's misinterpretation of his clue scheme which he has set up from the start as a frame job against me is an obvious sign of his guilt. Unfortunately, I'm a better detective than he realized and instantly saw through this charade.
First, HF fails to mention what kind of an organization the Knights Templar were. A Christian Holy Order. How convenient. Let's continue.
When did HolyFlare create his TL.net account? On the 28th of November, 1999 - wait for it - a Sunday, the Holy day. Do you know the significance of the November? November is two months after September, the month the first episode of "Scooby-Doo, Where Are You!" aired in 1969. Do you know what else is two? HF's average posts per day on his TL.net profile. There is more.
If you look closely at the background image hidden behind the text linked, it strongly resembles a "badge-like" ornament that one might pin onto a vest. It is no coincidence he specifically called it a "symbol", which just so happens to be what a "badge" is.
Ring any bells? Badges like these are used in the cult classic "Office Space" as a decorative ornament commonly referred to as flair throughout the movie. It's been right there in front of our eyes the entire time.
![[image loading]](http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/dvd/fox/officespace/Office6_L.jpg)
Jennifer Anniston has probably been called an angel thousands of times in her life. What are angels? They are Holy. Jennifer Anniston only used the bare minimum amount of flair. Look back, he created his account on the 28th, which just so happens to be the 'bare minimum' amount of days in the month of February. February is the month that this very same movie was released. Coincidence? I think not.
The connections are there and the clues point to none other than "HolyFlare".
Case closed.
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But really, I'm not clearing anyone based on the flip. Mocsta clearly didn't want to play anyways so setting up a bus in the QT would be a great way to ride through the next day without suspicion and make it to final 3 (barring a medic save).
I'm going off my reads elaborated in the previous pages which currently point to Rayn as the likely scum and Artanis as likely town.
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On January 12 2014 16:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +
1) Rayn so quickly read Derrida as town (like he had perfect information and was looking for an easy pocket) and went hard onto me for disagreeing when I felt there were excellent reasons to read him as scum
2) It very much felt like Rayn's reads on Artanis (saying he was trolling and not playing the game - which was incorrect) was extremely inconsistent with his reads of HF
3) This point is speculation but it honestly feels like Rayn pressuring Giggle over his policy-vote is setting himself up to go hard on Giggle tomorrow when Mocsta flips green (which is another reason you should never policy-lynch someone you think is town Giggle)
4) And lastly, I've grown less sure of HF and I'm actually thinking that they both pocketed the shit out of me, especially with the Backho BW reference and Scooby Doo stories (which I actually thought were hilarious even though I misread HF's "clue searching encouragement" initially)
1) Yeah because i can actually read people. 2) No you are wrong. Artanis quoted posts and said they look scummy. That's not playing. Holyflare was playing the game by giving actual reads that are based on something. 3) Can't possibly be true because Mocsta was mafia. 4) Can't possibly be true because Mocsta was mafia Try again scum..
1) If you're reading me as scum, then you clearly can't
2) No you're wrong. At the time Artanis actually quoted scummy posts at least and gave reads on people. Holyflare was spamming scooby-doo for the first two pages before he gave an actual read (aside from calling Derrida confirmed town without any reasons)
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On January 12 2014 16:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Btw your excellent reasons for reading Derrida scum are so excellent he is town now for you.
Makes sense?
Because I ever came out and said I was reading him as town.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man_fallacy
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On January 12 2014 18:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 16:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
1) Rayn so quickly read Derrida as town (like he had perfect information and was looking for an easy pocket) and went hard onto me for disagreeing when I felt there were excellent reasons to read him as scum
2) It very much felt like Rayn's reads on Artanis (saying he was trolling and not playing the game - which was incorrect) was extremely inconsistent with his reads of HF
3) This point is speculation but it honestly feels like Rayn pressuring Giggle over his policy-vote is setting himself up to go hard on Giggle tomorrow when Mocsta flips green (which is another reason you should never policy-lynch someone you think is town Giggle)
4) And lastly, I've grown less sure of HF and I'm actually thinking that they both pocketed the shit out of me, especially with the Backho BW reference and Scooby Doo stories (which I actually thought were hilarious even though I misread HF's "clue searching encouragement" initially)
1) Yeah because i can actually read people. 2) No you are wrong. Artanis quoted posts and said they look scummy. That's not playing. Holyflare was playing the game by giving actual reads that are based on something. 3) Can't possibly be true because Mocsta was mafia. 4) Can't possibly be true because Mocsta was mafia Try again scum.. 1) If you're reading me as scum, then you clearly can't 2) No you're wrong. At the time Artanis actually quoted scummy posts at least and gave reads on people. Holyflare was spamming scooby-doo for the first two pages before he gave an actual read (aside from calling Derrida confirmed town without any reasons)
Regarding 2, I mean first two pages of his filter alone. It was far more than the first 2 pages of the actual game.
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On January 12 2014 18:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So who exactly are you calling scum? And why?
In light of the fact that you and HF can't be mafia together at this point, I'm just going to work on the assumption that since you two have such a strong history of playing with each other (to my understanding) that one of you wouldn't confirm the other as town if you weren't absolutely certain.
At this point, I'm going to have to say it's between Derrida or Giggle. They both had pretty crappy reasons for voting on Mocsta, who had practically buried himself. In fact, I don't even think Derrida gave a reason, he just hammered the vote and claimed confirmed town for doing it. Meanwhile, Giggle simply claimed it was a policy lynch. I liked a lot of what Giggle contributed on D1 so that just leaves Derrida.
From my perspective, if you and HF are correct about each other, this game is autowin because we just lynch Derrida/Giggle and one of them will be scum. If you waste a misslynch on me however, you'll have to discern between which one of them the scum is (again, assuming that you two are right to confirm each other as town). I'd still look at Derrida over Giggle, but I haven't gone and done any real analysis of the player filters since Mocsta flipped red.
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Also, if one of you (Rayn/HF) is mafia, then the town out of you basically threw this game and I don't even feel bad if we lose.
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On January 13 2014 16:52 Holyflare wrote:
You display all the patterns of a scum whose partner was getting lynched, your attitude at the start was sending crazy mixed messages. The shot on artanis could realistically only come from you. Your reads are beyond the normal town flip flopping and now you try and blame the games demise on one of me and rayn instead of trying to further solve the game or actually determine whether me or rayn were wrong about each other.
You are scum, you played well for your second game of scum. Sleep easy young babe for it shall all be over soon.
My attitude in the beginning was to get the game to start. Nothing mixed about it. I can't really remember any serious reads before my first post. Independent of that fact, how was my attitude at the start of the game relevant to the pattern of a "scum whose partner was just lynched" anyways?
I'd love for you to explain the Artanis shot conclusion as I don't see why it's incompatible for anyone's play to have shot him.
I guess if that's true about my reads, then I just flip flop more than the ordinary player.
There is no "games demise" for me to blame anyone for right now. We're in a really good position having lynched the first scum D1. I'm just saying if you or Rayn flip scum this game and the town of you misshammers in final 3, should you even be alive, that person will be to blame for the town loss, especially if they just go into the day like you did blind-voting without any hesitation or second-guessing.
Lastly, it's pretty-pretty-pretty ironic of you to accuse me of not trying to further solve the game when I was the first person to put any actual thought into the game since D2 started. I put some trust into you two as veterans to re-evaluate each other today and if you still vouch for each other with certainty, it has to be between Derrida or Giggle.
I am not scum and this is my first town game. Perhaps you should use your filter comparison skills you used to clear Derrida as town on me and tell me what the results are.
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The Scooby gang would be disappointed in you.
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So with Rayn/HF both tunneling on me, I don't care if they're veterans or not. Their judgment obviously isn't good enough to clear each other as confirmed town based on the fact of how bad their read is on me, especially when they aren't even trying to address my arguments.
Also, Rayn is acting as mad as someone who just had their partner get lynched who voted themselves D1. This is the second time he's lost his temper (the first when I voted him over Mocsta) and acted bm-as-fuck responding with ad hominem to people's arguments and completely ignoring them.
Then again, HF ignored all of my arguments as well after I asked him to back up some of his baseless accusations. I'm honestly fine with voting either of them at this point because I'd rather lose to lurker mafia than bm mafia who isn't even playing the game. And even if they're town, they're bad town. I don't want to go to final 3 with either of them because they will throw if they play like they did today.
##Vote Rayn
I don't care if that makes me look scummy for flip flopping - in light of new information, my reads will change. Aside from the point about Office Space, Giggle just made the only townie post since the day started. Even if he's wrong about me, at least he's giving unique reasons for his reads.
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On January 14 2014 06:15 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't care if it's sarcasm or not. I am tired of people making bullshit arguments.
Or bullshit posts.
You've made more bullshit arguments and bullshit posts than anyone this game.
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Like this for example
On January 14 2014 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
his reads change every second for no reason.
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On January 14 2014 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FYI getting mad over stupidity is not a scumtell.
You're the only one acting stupid here.
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On January 14 2014 06:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2014 06:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Like this for example On January 14 2014 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
his reads change every second for no reason. yeah that's exactly what you do and that's why you are scum.
It's not. I have given reasons every time my reads have shifted.
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On January 14 2014 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No. This is literally what you do:
"rayn and Holyflare are scum" (when one mafia has flipped)
I point out your bad logic.
"oh, rayn i scum, artanis so town, holyflare maybe scum"
then artanis dies
"oh rayn is town, holyflre town"
then someone makes some bullshit arguments, i call them out of it
"oh but rayn is scum"
That's so bullshit. so so very bullshit there is no way you are town.
ggnore.
Where exactly did you point out my "bad logic" again?
I haven't made a bullshit argument yet. I'm playing the game, giving reads, and asking for information.
This very post of yours is, ironically, itself a bullshit argument. You're either the worst town I've seen or mafia
##Vote Rayn
##Vote Rayn
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On January 14 2014 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
like i don't even care to argue with you because your löogic for your reads can't possible come from a townie and everyone who reads your filter can see it.
You aren't arguing with me anyways, you're just spewing ad hominem out of your mouth.
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I'm not even trying to be BM here, but I can't even read that last post. Can you use specific names so I know what point you're trying to make? The grammar of it is weird.
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