A Quiet Game of Mini Mafia

On January 05 2014 01:37 gumshoe wrote:
/in XD please dont kill me

On January 07 2014 09:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Town here hi Iamp :p

On January 07 2014 09:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I don't think antagonizing him further is a good idea when he's actually trying to improve himself.

On January 07 2014 09:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

A calm quiet atmosphere of peace and prosperity, where there is ample food for everyone and we live joyful, fulfilling lives.

On January 07 2014 09:42 Corazon wrote:
I'm sad Iamp, I would've given it a 5/10 at least.

On January 07 2014 09:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I'm just a man that enjoys peace and prosperity. Why would you infer such a person being scum rather than benevolent? Is this what the world is turning into?

On January 07 2014 10:01 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Any violence is unfortunate, regardless of if the reasons are just. I wish those who seek to destroy our lands would instead build towards a greater future where we may all live in prosperity. It is unfortunate that this is not the case.

On January 07 2014 10:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Negative, but I'm enjoying it.

On January 07 2014 10:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Negative.

On January 07 2014 10:30 yamato77 wrote:

lol

On January 07 2014 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
ohai ladies.
I town, just for a change.

Anything interesting happening?

On January 07 2014 11:22 Corazon wrote:
I'm worried about Iamp. He seems to be attacking everyone nonsenically. Reminds me of scum Xatalos in Titanic II.
He's just trying to throw shit on people and see what sticks.

On January 07 2014 14:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
honestly no

On January 07 2014 18:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

iamperfection how is this different than what gumshoe does in his scumgames? If this is a meta-read you should probably elaborate on that too because it's kinda.. the point of a meta-read, what someone does differently as town/scum.

If this is not a meta-read why are you faking it as one?

On January 07 2014 23:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who's scummy iamp?

On January 07 2014 23:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yeah that one i forgot.
Let's lynch yamato, bugs and JAT and call it a gg?

On January 07 2014 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really.

He didn't say "hi" to the thread. That's like a scumclaim. j/k, i dunno about JAT.

Actually no, i think yamato is town. There is some sort of a process going on in his head on his read on me. When he is scum there is no process, he just posts some stuff and tryhard reads or does not post anything.

Dunno about bugs either, have never played with him.

I have some super secret scumreads but i am waiting for all people to post.

On January 07 2014 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
From this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439654&currentpage=12#236
..onwards in his filter. There is something happening, i just dunno what that something is, but i don't really care, because it's enough for me.

On January 08 2014 00:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I don't think I've played with a yamato scum since like 2010 or something.

On January 08 2014 00:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I am a man of wonders. I think I'm remembering Pandain.

On January 08 2014 10:13 kushm4sta wrote:


No thanks. I think everyone's understanding of yamato's meta is outdated.
Let me simplify yamato's current meta.
He is quite a busy guy. As town, early game he jokes around a lot. He gets more invested later.

Scum meta is tryhard in the beginning, then falling off hard day 2. He usually makes a couple try hard posts d1 to look town.

On January 08 2014 10:18 kushm4sta wrote:
that last post was so unbelievable contentless. ive never seen WoS post like that as town.

On January 08 2014 10:20 Corazon wrote:

It's easy for scum to fake that. His logic was not even good. He started calling me dumb because I asked him to actually contribute when he said he wouldn't until I did. He blatantly admitted to not have read the thread and he decided to attack kush, who at the time had 0 posts, and called him stupid until he did some random 180 and called kush town (while keeping his vote on him). He then OMGUSs me when I call him out for it.

To me, it looks faked and it looks like he just wants to survive.

On January 08 2014 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote:

I'd lynch him atm actually.
##Vote: yamato
I'm used to WAY more effort from him on any given D1 at this point. Too much one-liner, too much shutting down of discussion and negativity---and while he's capable of this as town, he's also capable of better play and I don't mind punishing him. Seriously threatening him is also often a good way to get something good out of him one way or another; see LXIII or LXI for examples. Yamato LOVES being tha D1 lynch.

On January 08 2014 12:18 thrawn2112 wrote:


I take back artanis because I am undecided. Probably Corazon too.

Anyone wanna kill rayn?

On January 08 2014 12:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay so this is exactly what scum!thrawn does.
##Vote: thrawn

On January 08 2014 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
That's not what he is saying.

On January 08 2014 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He is saying he played intentionally slowly (which =/= scummy) and that your reasoning for votehopping from yamato -> WoS -> yamato looks like you are looking for a lynch target rather than figuring out what people's alignments are.

I actually agree with him to some extent, especially because of your actions regarding voting / unvoting WoS.

On January 08 2014 23:37 yamato77 wrote:

I'm still here.

Post invalidated.

On January 08 2014 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Your vote on WoS was reasonable because i thought the same thing you and kush did when you reacted to his post. The thing i find scummy is when WoS interacted with people after that you retracted from the vote back to yamato for reasons that were "well at least WoS is here talking but yamato is not".

If you really thought WoS is scummy why didn't you keep your vote on him and pressure him about his scummy post(s)? This is exactly what i was trying to say to WBG, you did the exact thing i was worried about people voting for yamato when he earlier on promised to contribute when he had more time.

To me that seems like you did not even care about WoS' alignment, because why would you not keep your vote on him if you think he did something scummy? Why did you not want to hear more from him? If you give him a "free pass" by rectracting your pressure/vote what does that achieve?

On January 08 2014 23:40 yamato77 wrote:

Was watching agdq, now going to dentist. We'll sort this out later. In the mean time, you should be thinking about other people you'd rather see lynched, because at the moment, I'm less interested in lynching you.

On January 08 2014 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iamp and bugs, talk to me about thrawn.

On January 08 2014 18:12 thrawn2112 wrote:


The points you brought up about WoS are outweighed by the effort put into the rest of his filter. I'm not sure what the case against iamp is other than him being lazy and not explaining his reasons. That doesn't make me think iamp's scum at all because town iamp likes his short and lazy posts. But in this game, the case is that he's slightly less coherent? I don't see a big enough distinction between his play in this game and in his past town games to accept this read.

On January 09 2014 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'd lynch Cheesecake or Corazon over you 100% even if yamato somehow redeems himself.

On January 09 2014 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean, if townie posts would outweigh scummy ones probably ~90% of players would by default never be lynched. If you are so bad as scum you continuously make over 50% scummy posts of your total posts you should reconsider if mafia is the right game for you.

I also know for a fact hat's not how thrawn usually thinks, in fact i have never seen such a bad argument for answering a case from him.

On January 09 2014 00:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Did you even read my post? It wasn't about you because that was reasonable and after that i went to look at your past games and i know that's what you do as town.

I wanted your opinion on how thrawn didn't comment on stuff i thought was scummy from WoS but instead basically said "he has done more townie things so these scummy things do not matter".

On January 09 2014 00:12 wherebugsgo wrote:
Anyway I think this convo between you guys is pretty fruitless. I also think there's almost no chance we lynch thrown today (or anyone other than Yamato, really)

We need to get people onto Yamato. I'll be around sporadically, but I'm going to lunch and a movie so I don't know how much time I can commit for the next few hours. I should hopefully be done a few hours before lynch.

I highly encourage everyone to read my two posts on Yamato following his "vote" on iamperfection. I'm on my phone, otherwise I'd link them. We need to consolidate on Yamato now, before it becomes too hectic close to the lynch to have anything reasonably thought-out or predictable. We need to be prepared for Yamato to be kicking and screaming regardless of alignment. How he does it will determine his alignment.

On January 09 2014 00:55 kushm4sta wrote:
can anyone point to a case against yamato?

On January 09 2014 01:04 kushm4sta wrote:
it's really annoying to me how people think they can separate a case into 100 all liners and be okay with that

On January 09 2014 01:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd be willing to lynch Yamato but I'd rather get CC.

On January 09 2014 01:08 kushm4sta wrote:
sorry but I am not interesting in playing a conversational style of mafia this game. I will not read through your epically long conversations.

anyway yamato is lynch bait these days

On January 09 2014 01:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Have you looked at CC?

On October 07 2011 04:50 Qatol wrote:
The game is typically very active, so the thread will get big quickly. However, it is essential to read the thread to play the game. If you do not have the time or patience to read the whole thread, do not play. I will not compensate for ignorance.

On January 09 2014 01:20 kushm4sta wrote:
i disagree with that suggestion

On January 09 2014 01:25 Corazon wrote:
Phone post

I explained my vote because I wanted to add in what I did. Yeah, I know it was a lot of what was said before, but I felt it was necessary to avoid people going "Cora is just jumping on the Yamato lynch", as people who don't read the thread (WBG) would senselessly attack me for.

On January 09 2014 07:00 Corazon wrote:
Im only detrimental because you guys made me so.

On January 09 2014 07:05 Corazon wrote:
I don't care anymore. Rayn has browbeaten me into submission. This is my last post. GG

On January 09 2014 07:16 kushm4sta wrote:
that's definitely not a scumclaim. he does it like every game doesn't he? martyr like that.

On January 09 2014 07:20 kushm4sta wrote:

he quit as town last game he played. null tell I think.

On January 09 2014 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:

At least i did not let you lynch yamato. ^_^

On January 10 2014 00:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
Overall I agree that it wasn't bad, but you have to ask:

How many people after the lynch thought CC was scum?

How many people did we have in the pool to lynch?

If one of Artanis/CC died at some point do you think the players who would be left alive would have killed the other, after how they attacked each other?

From a per-player standpoint it wasn't anything to cry home about. Aside from about 5 players everyone else didn't really do anything. JAT spent the entire game sort of weakly sheeping people, it wasn't really clear to me that he was town. Artanis and CC were mostly afk and while that makes Artanis more likely to be scum, his level of activity dropped to a point where anybody could argue that he was just neglectfully inactive.

Kush did nothing as usual except aggravate half the town by existing.

Aside from the players I mentioned before I can't remember anything that the rest did. To read them properly I'd have to go back to my notes to remember what was the thing in their filter that swung the strongest.

Did you have strong town reads on all of them?

On January 10 2014 01:05 wherebugsgo wrote:




And again, precedent exists for this. Similar thing to this game happened in June with GM's smurf mini. Scum got replaced instead of mod killed and the town didn't lynch the replacements...because they were replacements.

On January 10 2014 01:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
wait what is this game over?

On January 10 2014 01:30 wherebugsgo wrote:


Sure, maybe I need to explain myself a bit better.

It's a matter of coin flip whether the scum team ends up having good players or crappy ones. I think the forum has consistently shown that most players have very little interest in playing scum, and because the majority of the playerbase doesn't really see good play all that often they can't emulate it either. (And that goes for both alignments)

Supposing the next time if town is similar to this and the coin ends up flipping an average scum team the game will be awful. I've been there, and the most often it's happened is in the last year (most of my recent mini games, I have not enjoyed).

I stopped playing large games because I didn't like how many people would afk in large games or just not really provide reads. That mentality has pushed into all games by now I feel.