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Your mere presence does not invalidate my post, in fact it does the exact opposite.
You responded so fast to me that it suggests you've been actively lurking this entire time. That's even worse, since it means rather than neglect/being afk (which would actually make you look more townie-if you legitimately did not have time) you actually knew that your vote didn't count, you did not respond to iamperfection, and you CHOSE not to further your case.
All things that are even scummier than my original points because it displays that you were present yet unwilling to push your case.
The fact that your best argument against what I am saying is your mere presence in the thread is pathetic.
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like all i did was basically call you bad for a page yamato that makes me town? Im getting more of the sense you just want to not lynch me because you know it wont work and our just desperate to survive rather than figuring out alignments.
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Also rayn what iamperfection did with WoS closely followed my own thought process on WoS at the time. Nothing I found there seemed particularly off. Initially WoS had some really bad posts and then quickly afterward he started making more sense. The only difference was that lamp voted him, and I chose not to.
Now ofc I'm defending that on the basis that I am town and it makes sense from my perspective. I'd probably do a similar thing as scum but I think that only speaks to my play and is not really indicative at all of iamp's alignment (which, based on the other things he's done, is likely to be town IMO. If he's not, it'd be really bad, but there's no indication that we need to be paranoid)
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stay the course men i'm extremely confident this a scum lynch. yamato isnt trying to figure alignments and thinking about it more it makes sense that he would drop his "case" on me since all be pretty much confirmed town when he flips.
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On January 08 2014 16:59 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 16:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:@ yamato (mainly);
On January 08 2014 13:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 08 2014 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn:
Well then you should not post when you are under influence. I stopped posting drunk when i realized that's a fucking terrible idea. yamato even asked you to stop posting last night when you told us you are stoned.
WoS:
I try to elaborate as well as i can onto yamato. What yamato does as mafia is two things. He does not play for an all game plan. He plays for (1) survival, usually lurks, and (2) fuels arguments between townies. 1 and 2 are important, usually lurking is something that's not so important as he is able to change that if he wants to.
1) This can be seen in GoT, where i played scum with him. We had a game plan from the beginning but yamato's mindset was pretty much "i won't get lynched on D1". I don't remember he was doing much else than trying to survive D2.
2) This can be seen from 4 Persona, where yamato's pure purpose was to fuel me vs you argument until it ended up in a townie lynch. After that he discredited me for all D2, but when i basically solved the game on N2 he had no other option than to night kill me, even though i lynched a cop on D1 and had a red check on me. That's how "confident" yamato feels his scumplay is.
What he has done in this game is neither of those things. Would you not consider his last couple of posts 'confident' in him not getting lynched today? I dunno Rayn it's like I said to WBG, I am not particularly good at meta, and I very rarely see it getting used well so I can't really take reads solely based on meta into account. I see what yamato has done in this game, and it's scummy. I think atm this is the only post/argument that could make WoS scum. He does not explain how what yamato has done in this game is scummy. Because yamato hasn't done anything besides argued with me up to this point. So where the scumread is based on? Lurker lynch? No, because WoS said yamato is scummy. Meta? No, because WoS said he's not good at meta so he does not use it. So exactly why is what yamato has done up to this point of the game scummy?
I agree with your read on iamp to some extent. Not confident enough to say he is scum but want to see more from him - especially now that you started contributing. That's a good point against WoS, and many just reinforces my claim that he's mafia having a really hard time talking his way on top my wagon without looking super suspicious doing it. I do want to see more from iamp, but I'm predicting a future where he comes in and continues to call me mafia, only now it's because of my attack on him. Repeat this for Corazon, neither player does anything else today but try to get me lynched. I may like WoS as a lynch more now that you bring up that point.
yamato why are you indeed dropping your read on iamp, you said a while ago you predict that's what scum!iamp would do and that's exactly what he did.
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On a sidenote i really don't think WoS has made a lot of sense.
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iamp and bugs, talk to me about thrawn.
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##unvote;
##Vote: yamato77
Yeah the quote i brought up is really terrible.
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On January 08 2014 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On a sidenote i really don't think WoS has made a lot of sense.
As much as I enjoy vague blanket statements about my play, dare I ask what you're referring to this time?
Be back in 30 min-ish.
And I have stuff to say.
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Not really WoS, no. You're not getting lynched today either way so i'd rather not waste time on it now instead of the people i see possibly getting lynched.
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..besides, that's all in thread.
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On January 08 2014 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not really WoS, no. You're not getting lynched today either way so i'd rather not waste time on it now instead of the people i see possibly getting lynched.
I'm not?
You and yamato seem pretty keen on steering this way based on all you've said thus far, though I do admit I find it curious neither of you bothered to vote for the stronger of your shared scumreads during your little circlejerk session.
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On January 08 2014 23:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iamp and bugs, talk to me about thrawn.
hes okis null maybe town read i would say some thoughts out there i like his last post here
On January 08 2014 18:12 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn comments on WoS and iamp cases? The points you brought up about WoS are outweighed by the effort put into the rest of his filter. I'm not sure what the case against iamp is other than him being lazy and not explaining his reasons. That doesn't make me think iamp's scum at all because town iamp likes his short and lazy posts. But in this game, the case is that he's slightly less coherent? I don't see a big enough distinction between his play in this game and in his past town games to accept this read.
Shows some crital thinking skills there
dont really like that he brought up that he playing the game baked because i dont see how its relevant. but i would guess town.
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I'd lynch Cheesecake or Corazon over you 100% even if yamato somehow redeems himself.
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This is basically what i was looking for getting an answer to:
On January 08 2014 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2014 18:12 thrawn2112 wrote:On January 08 2014 17:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn comments on WoS and iamp cases? The points you brought up about WoS are outweighed by the effort put into the rest of his filter. I'm not sure what the case against iamp is other than him being lazy and not explaining his reasons. That doesn't make me think iamp's scum at all because town iamp likes his short and lazy posts. But in this game, the case is that he's slightly less coherent? I don't see a big enough distinction between his play in this game and in his past town games to accept this read. This is something i really dislike. Even the worst scumplayer in the world does not slip in every post and has townie posts. You can't just sweep scummy stuff under the rug and say "but he has done townie things too". This is also not how you usually operate, so care to explain why you are doing this here?
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To be frank I really don't understand why people think fuba is town, or why him "making sense" is indicative of him being town, when he really isn't making sense, and the way his activity and suspicions have gone really do not make me think he is town. Granted, he could just be really, really bad, but I hate making the assumption that someone is bad when their play makes more sense from a scum perspective than a town one.
I want to wait on the flip but fuba's reentrance conveniently came shortly after Yamato posted. He said Yamato "made sense" which indicates a cursory opinion. Sure, Yamato filterdove three players and did nothing much more than a summary of the scummy plays of those three players. You could literally pick anyone in the game and do exactly the same thing and the case would make sense. How do I know that? Cause I do it myself all the fucking time as scum. And people will actually lynch otherwise really obvious townies if all you do is repeatedly reiterate the same scummy points.
In this case fuba really did not provide anything other than a one line justification for voting Cora over Yamato. Pretty weak either way, but worse is that he didn't do any sort of following up on his post (and no one held him accountable to his opinions by questioning him, either)
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On January 09 2014 00:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'd lynch Cheesecake or Corazon over you 100% even if yamato somehow redeems himself.
wat
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I mean, if townie posts would outweigh scummy ones probably ~90% of players would by default never be lynched. If you are so bad as scum you continuously make over 50% scummy posts of your total posts you should reconsider if mafia is the right game for you.
I also know for a fact hat's not how thrawn usually thinks, in fact i have never seen such a bad argument for answering a case from him.
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