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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2014 08:44 GMT
#1284
Well then stop posting and try to look for them. Right now you are not helping much.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2014 08:51 GMT
#1285
kushm4sta:

I know you are perfectly capable of making good logical arguments and reads as town. In 4 Persona you were the town MVP from N2 onwards. In Titanic 2 i shot you over Blazinghand/Artanis/Xatalos/three other people because you looked so town and because i thought you were most likely to solve the game after DarthPunk.

I also know you are not capable of making good logical arguments as mafia, because you just can't put yourself into the right mindset which is pretty evident from Extractor game.

Therefore your alignment is pretty easy to figure out and now, when the thread is not moving fast is a perfect time to prove your alignment if you are town. So please do so, for me.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2014 09:04 GMT
#1286
I think Artanis has a fair chance of flipping scum as well:
He has a case on Cheesecake. I ask him to contribute to thrawn/WoS/Corazon. He says Corazon is the scummiest of those three people, gives a few scumpoints to WoS aswell, and doesn't understand thrawn's "scumminess". In this post:
On January 08 2014 21:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 17:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
But when i make a case on thrawn, he (cora) does not apparently even read the case (or if he does - he misrepresents it totally - which makes him scum). He calls the case OMGUS and the argument between me and thrawn a "shitstorm which will ruin the town". This is totally not the case.

I like this point.
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 17:51 mkfuba07 wrote:
I was kinda hoping for his response too, but it never came. If he's really a townie who feels like people are misconstruing his play, wouldn't he at least comment on something that's been brought up repeatedly?

I also like this point. Scumpointsᵀᴹ to Cora.

Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 16:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
@ yamato (mainly);


On January 08 2014 13:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
On January 08 2014 13:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
thrawn:
Well then you should not post when you are under influence. I stopped posting drunk when i realized that's a fucking terrible idea. yamato even asked you to stop posting last night when you told us you are stoned.

WoS:
I try to elaborate as well as i can onto yamato. What yamato does as mafia is two things. He does not play for an all game plan. He plays for (1) survival, usually lurks, and (2) fuels arguments between townies. 1 and 2 are important, usually lurking is something that's not so important as he is able to change that if he wants to.
1) This can be seen in GoT, where i played scum with him. We had a game plan from the beginning but yamato's mindset was pretty much "i won't get lynched on D1". I don't remember he was doing much else than trying to survive D2.
2) This can be seen from 4 Persona, where yamato's pure purpose was to fuel me vs you argument until it ended up in a townie lynch. After that he discredited me for all D2, but when i basically solved the game on N2 he had no other option than to night kill me, even though i lynched a cop on D1 and had a red check on me. That's how "confident" yamato feels his scumplay is.

What he has done in this game is neither of those things.

Would you not consider his last couple of posts 'confident' in him not getting lynched today?
I dunno Rayn it's like I said to WBG, I am not particularly good at meta, and I very rarely see it getting used well so I can't really take reads solely based on meta into account. I see what yamato has done in this game, and it's scummy.

I think atm this is the only post/argument that could make WoS scum.

He does not explain how what yamato has done in this game is scummy. Because yamato hasn't done anything besides argued with me up to this point. So where the scumread is based on? Lurker lynch? No, because WoS said yamato is scummy. Meta? No, because WoS said he's not good at meta so he does not use it.

So exactly why is what yamato has done up to this point of the game scummy?

I agree here though I'd need to filter dive WoS again. I'm not sure this is something he'd do as town especially after being so active.

I can't really comment on the Thrawn case because I have no idea what the effects of drugs are as I've never really used them myself. In a vacuum it looks scummy as shit and I haven't really been impressed by the rest of his play.

Dunno when I'll be back, but I'll try to find time before the deadline.

He agrees with my reasoning for WoS to possibly be mafia (as he gives him scumpoints). The reasoning is WoS' "bullshit stance" on yamato which is quite clear from my post. However, when the thread sentiment leans towards lynching Corazon here's what Artanis does:
On January 09 2014 01:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd be willing to lynch Yamato but I'd rather get CC.

Bang, like a scumclaim.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2014 09:06 GMT
#1287
Actually this puts Artanis as my top scumread. Slightly above thrawn.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2014 12:51 GMT
#1294
lol
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2014 12:54 GMT
#1298
Insta re-roll roles and go?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-09 13:11:51
January 09 2014 13:09 GMT
#1302
It was me and JAT but tbh we misread Artanis' posts.

If you can post 2 posts / day phase and have time for no more do not fucking use that time to argue about semantics or something irrelevant, read the thread and make one coherent case on your top scumread and try to push it. That's it, even if you are wrong or miss some other stuff or fail to consolidate it shows you have a clear opinion and you stand behind it. If you give 8 half-assed reads which are not even reads or are not explained or that make no sense given what's actually happened in the game you are not trying to get scum lynched, you are trying to do something you can't possibly achieve if you are town. Who cares who is your #4 scumread, who cares if you do not like player X. You are here to lynch mafia and not for telling who is a cool guy and who is not.

This is what bothered me about Cheesecake and not at all about fuba/gumshoe.
I was planning on making kush contribute on N1 which would have probably succeeded in figuring out his alignment.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-09 13:18:54
January 09 2014 13:17 GMT
#1305
Right marv. What outed him was the stance on my case on thrawn, that was a big nono.
+ one secret special tell i won't reveal ^^
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2014 13:23 GMT
#1308
I made a case on thrawn - Corazon told me to drop it "because it will cause a shitstorm in thread" without saying anything about the actual case. Then he said thrawn is town for his good contributions to scumhunting, i asked him to show those contributions (i honestly think there were none at that point) and he refused to do so. 24h later he said he lied about it because he did not want to get accused for it.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2014 13:24 GMT
#1310
On January 09 2014 22:23 iamperfection wrote:
Glorious Victory?

At least i did not let you lynch yamato. ^_^
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2014 13:31 GMT
#1317
On January 09 2014 22:26 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 22:23 iamperfection wrote:
Glorious Victory?

At least i did not let you lynch yamato. ^_^

pretty sure i decided to not lynch yamato.

I am pretty sure if bugs' "suggestion" on "everyone vote for yamato nao - no other discussion kthxbye" would have gone through yamato would have gotten mad and raged himself lynched considering he was already depressed from the Extractor trick game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2014 13:31 GMT
#1318
On January 09 2014 22:30 marvellosity wrote:
As an aside, bugs posted a lot of weird shit this game.

yeah, i noticed that too.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2014 13:33 GMT
#1321
Goddamn marv, why didn't you play, we had basically the exact same thoughts on those players you talked about.
We could have been singing Kumbayaa and lynching maffyaa..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2014 13:47 GMT
#1325
thrawn i would really like to hear what was the intention behind saying this:
On January 09 2014 15:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 15:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 09 2014 04:36 thrawn2112 wrote:
wbg are you here? I'm about to leave for this phase and would like your thoughts on yamato

Why does it matter what WBG thinks of yamato?

On January 09 2014 04:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are not planning on lynching WBG it shouldn't mean shit to you what he thinks at this point.

Now it's time to answer this thrawn.


It mattered because I was about to go to work, I didn't know who to leave my vote on because everyone was so concerned with policy lynch arguments and not with alignments. I figured even if bugs is scum he'd probably give better advice than anyone I was currently talking to.

That looked really bad.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2014 13:50 GMT
#1326
On January 09 2014 22:39 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Goddamn marv, why didn't you play, we had basically the exact same thoughts on those players you talked about.
We could have been singing Kumbayaa and lynching maffyaa..

bugs this game kinda had what I call Palmaritis

Where you talk far too much about how the game "should" be played and don't take into account human emotion/reactions.

As an example, after the flip - yamato was really happy and was going around calling himself almost confirmed town, saying the wagon can't have been scum/scum, basically strutting about in a pretty cute way.

bugs called this "very scummy". Well... maybe in isolation, because maybe a mafia could do that. But generally speaking, yamato's tone and confidence in his own townieness strongly indicated that he was town. What yamato was doing was not 'very scummy' at all, in fact it was a reasonably strong town indicator. Towns are generally more likely to be confident in their own towniness. Even more than this, townies are more likely to think they look townier than they are for the wrong reasons (Toad is the perfect example of someone who always does this)

Same with what bugs said about gumshoe, bugs calling him "scummy as shit" for coming in last minute, doing some silly long reads post and not voting Cora. See yeah, on the surface that's pretty bad. But actually gumshoe was so blitheringly, moronically (no offence) unaware of what was going on, what gumshoe did was more likely to come from town. What mafia player, when he sees his scumbuddy claim scum, doesn't think his scumbuddy is claiming scum? That's a really unnatural mindset. Far more likely to be dopey townie.

Yeah, exactly +1000 on gumshoe read.

yamato has a towntell:
On January 07 2014 23:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
From this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439654&currentpage=12#236
..onwards in his filter. There is something happening, i just dunno what that something is, but i don't really care, because it's enough for me.

He basically can't do that as mafia. Or maybe he can, after this game..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-09 13:54:10
January 09 2014 13:52 GMT
#1328
Wave i literally laughed my ass off when you posted about kush. haha.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2014 14:04 GMT
#1333
My apologies Cheesecake if you feel like i was too rude towards you. I never intend to attack people but their arguments. I'm sorry if you felt insulted.

My condolences
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2014 17:24 GMT
#1386
Like your last post i quoted seemed like you were implying you wanted "advice" from WBG, "even if he is scum". That didn't make sense to me. Asking opinions is fine.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2014 17:30 GMT
#1388
Okay.
Well i found Artanis and was going to convince a possible vigi to shoot him but then the game ended.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
January 09 2014 18:49 GMT
#1390
I really like your playstyle Bugs, when you started giving your thoguhts about pressuring people i felt like "wtf is this me posting or what". Hope i'll be seeing you in other games aswell.
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