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kitaman27
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On January 25 2014 00:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2014 07:19 Foolishness wrote:
Austin and sandroba might as well be afk until 3 pages ago, but since coming to the thread both have had strong appearances. I'm okay with them right now because they have brought things to the thread This is the post that still bothers me the most about Foolishness when he groups austin and sandroba in his null reads. Foolishness, I know you stated several times that you were treating sandroba as wait and see, but what are the "strong appearances" and "things brought to the thread" that you are referring to with sandroba's posts. I mentioned earlier that I disagreed with his assessment, but you didn't reply. Could you please point out what you were seeing?
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kitaman27
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Oh you responded, nevermind XD
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Hmm I think Foolishness is mafia. Post incoming!
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 25 2014 09:46 kitaman27 wrote:
Hmm I think Foolishness is mafia. Post incoming!
Before you post, you might want to read my previous posts.
Saving you effort and humility. Also might save you from getting lynched down the line (cause I think you're town at the moment).
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I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1.
I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba?
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Like, if the scumteam is you/Holy/Sandroba then the closest I see to that (other than you at deadline) is Holy's chainsawing all day but that can barely be called actively trying to deflect votes off of you considering at what point in the day it was done and how he essentially called you scummy to do it.
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kitaman27
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On January 25 2014 09:52 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 09:46 kitaman27 wrote:
Hmm I think Foolishness is mafia. Post incoming! Before you post, you might want to read my previous posts. Saving you effort and humility. Also might save you from getting lynched down the line (cause I think you're town at the moment).
Humility? I thought you were town yesterday, I'm thinking you're mafia today.
100% CHANCE OF BEING RIGHT AT SOME POINT IN THERE.
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Foolishness
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On January 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba?
As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town.
I win games.
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Vote Count - Deadline at Saturday, Jan 25 10:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
WaveofShadow (2): Toadesstern, Foolishness
VisceraEyes (1): gonzaw, marvellosity
Foolishness (1): WaveofShadow
Toadesstern (0): gonzaw
Not voted (5): gonzaw, VisceraEyes, austinmcc, kitaman27, Promethelax
Please inform us if there are any mistakes!
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On January 25 2014 10:06 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba? As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town. I win games.
Silly question then in regards to your last post:
Which two of the four of us are scum?
And 'it doesn't matter' doesn't cut it because there is no way in hell the rest of the players in this game will simply follow your instructions and lynch those 4 without considering all options.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 24 2014 06:01 kitaman27 wrote:
Finally, we have Foolishness. Based on the way the votes went down, I'm struggling to see who the third scum buddy would be if he is mafia. I don't think he would be with Holy due to the reasons I mentioned earlier. Does VE or WoS really leave Foolishness out to dry by leaving the thread when he is in trouble? marv has too many interactions with him, unless they are trying to put on a show. Prom seems unlikely. gonzaw and Hapa look town, unless there is something I'm really overlooking. That really only lives Foolishness/sandroba/austin. I suppose that could be a possibility with austin being on the "anyone but Foolishness" side of things. It might also explain why austin was reluctant to vote prom when he seemed to be one of his preferred targets a bit before the swap since it would mean all three scum players would be on the same player, which could get ugly late game. I'm somewhat concerned with the fact that he doesn't seem to consider that I could be mafia at any point in the game. From my experience, I usually get called town by the mafia players, while town players are a bit more paranoid. sandroba and austin are also guilty of that this game. I'm probably still leaning town on him, though less so than others.
Kitaman, I'm going to try something new with you. Instead of trying to prove to you that I am innocent using my own words and logic and information, I am going to do it with your own words and logic and information that you have brought to the thread. I will start with the above paragraph I quoted.
Then, even if you still think I am mafia I will have indisputable evidence that you are mentally insane <3
+ Show Spoiler +I mean that last sentence in the best possible way of course
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Foolishness
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On January 25 2014 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 10:06 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba? As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town. I win games. Silly question then in regards to your last post: Which two of the four of us are scum? And 'it doesn't matter' doesn't cut it because there is no way in hell the rest of the players in this game will simply follow your instructions and lynch those 4 without considering all options.
That's not a silly question. I believe it is you and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE.
Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time).
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On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 10:06 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba? As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town. I win games. Silly question then in regards to your last post: Which two of the four of us are scum? And 'it doesn't matter' doesn't cut it because there is no way in hell the rest of the players in this game will simply follow your instructions and lynch those 4 without considering all options. That's not a silly question. I believe it is you and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE. Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time).
And what makes me the most likely scum candidate over someone like VE or Toad?
What have I done in this game to deserve the 'Most objectively scummy award?'
And you know, as an aside something gonzaw mentioned really strikes home with me here. You keep pushing the lynch on four of us---if Toad is scum as I surmise, then you win simply because you mislynch the other three, and you hope to gain the sweet lovely towncred you crave. Even IF I somehow go down today (which isn't happening), immediately upon my flip the thread realizes something is up and your 'lynch 4 and win' plan never comes to fruition.
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kitaman27
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A town Foolishness is well known for his trademark analysis posts. They are long, well thought-out, and when you're finished reading them, it's pretty obvious that he is town. Here are a few examples, but there are plenty more:
TL Mafia XLIV
TL Mafia XXX
Personality Mafia 2
Responsibility Mafia
The single most important part of this argument is the way Foolishness has been pushing lynches this game.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2014 07:19 Foolishness wrote:The thing about Promethelax is that his first post is a big pile of words and nobody said anything about it besides WoS which was just a passing remark. Here's the post again: + Show Spoiler +On January 21 2014 11:35 Promethelax wrote:
Okay broskis, this is just silly. We know how to start a game and it isn't this Mafia Scum inspired baseless lynches shall we discuss policy? Why yes we shall because you all will actually have to commit to something.
Since we aren't the run of the mill hokey dory TL types I think its time we set a few ground rules: there should be no discussion of policy lynching lurkers. We simply lynch them. If everyone is good enough to be shadowed everyone is good enough to play the game and we cannot tolerate lurkers.
It is my hope that this particular policy doesn't come into play since, obviously, we are the best that TL has so we should play the best as well and lurking simply isn't the best. We are all good enough to carry a town and I would like us all to be that good this game. Play your hearts out gentlemen.
I would also like a non-aggression pact. That is we all agree to play nice since I'd rather like to be good role models for our newbies.
And yes, I know I'm scummy for posting this, does someone want to come out and say it so that I can defend myself and we can move on with this game and make actual cases on each other and find scum.
Unlike WoS I was excited to roll scum in this game, I figured I'd have an excuse to be steamrolled but if I did a good job it would be a huge accomplishment but no, I'm town, I have to figure things out. I would much rather lie to you all but fuck me, I don't get to lie to you. I gotta work for my money.
So get it together boys, we are policy lynching lurkers, we aren't going to be mean to each other and we are going to catch scum. And we'll start with Hapa making a case on me, why? Because its tradition is why. Promethelax even admits that his post is awful and that we should call him out on it. Sounds great to me! This kinda bait is definitely a mafia trait and if he thinks he's posting bad then we should definitely lynch him for it. The reason being, if he knows his post his bad why is he making it in the first place? His initial post accomplishes nothing and says nothing and only adds fluff to the thread. I am also bothered by his most recent thread post: Show nested quote +On January 21 2014 22:42 Promethelax wrote:On January 21 2014 19:25 marvellosity wrote:On January 21 2014 13:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's just one of those things that may or may not end up adding up to something. Prome's thing is worse to me because he literally made up reasoning to respond to me. It doesn't make any sense to me at all. Fluffy? What does that even mean? You don't think Prome is being typical arch-bullshitter as per usual? Sometimes it worries me that you and I know each other so well when it comes to this game. Sometimes it makes me warm and fuzzy. People I don't like: Foolishness (total lack of justification and his total dismissal of VE/Hapa as townie v townie, both of them are totally capable of what they have done so far as scum and to just not be interested in them at all is scummy) Kita (said "I don't call people scummy early because it makes people listen to me less later" which isn't true and so totally wired that it rings scummy since I cannot figure out what it gives a town Kita while it does provide some benefit to a scum Kita.) People who are Gonzaw but haven't posted Gonzaw like posts after fluff o'clock : Gonzaw Because all his reads feel very convenient. There is nothing in his filter that gives us new information or his original thoughts.
Remember Foolishness's first huge post about the game? Lets take away all the quotes and town reads, which are incredibly easy to throw around like candy. This is what it looks like if we're just looking at his Prom case:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 22 2014 07:19 Foolishness wrote:
The thing about Promethelax is that his first post is a big pile of words and nobody said anything about it besides WoS which was just a passing remark. Here's the post again:
Promethelax even admits that his post is awful and that we should call him out on it. Sounds great to me! This kinda bait is definitely a mafia trait and if he thinks he's posting bad then we should definitely lynch him for it. The reason being, if he knows his post his bad why is he making it in the first place? His initial post accomplishes nothing and says nothing and only adds fluff to the thread. I am also bothered by his most recent thread post:
Because all his reads feel very convenient. There is nothing in his filter that gives us new information or his original thoughts.
This is an incredibly limited amount of content in regards to scum hunting. For a post that large, it shows that a limited amount of effort was actually put on scum hunting. He attacks Prom for using a bile of words and saying nothing, yet he is the one spending more time explaining why people like hapa or myself are town or saying that lurkers that haven't posted are null.
Now lets take a look at how he pushes the case:
On January 23 2014 05:07 Foolishness wrote:
3) Promethelax is scum.
Err....ok then. Anything to add?
On January 23 2014 05:31 Foolishness wrote:
I don't see any arguments that show that Promethelax is pushing the town in the right direction or pushing a pro-town agenda. He's responded sure, but where's the conviction and the push to get something done?
Hmm, well alright. So are you even going to push the player that you state as scum as if it's a fact?
On January 23 2014 05:57 Foolishness wrote:
I already said that I'm prefectly okay with HolyFlare getting lynched. And by perfectly okay, I really mean okay. As in, if guys are that convinced that Promethelax needs another chance then please let me know now so I can move my vote.
Apparently not. Lets see how he pushes the case when it comes to crunch time.
On January 23 2014 06:39 Foolishness wrote:
The problem is is that Promethelax is mafia and there is solid information on why. What's the information saying sandroba is mafia? oh he's inactive.
There is apparently solid information, yet raise of hands: who is convinced by this post? He hasn't even mentioned Prom since his first large post 24 hours ago. He doesn't feel the need to highlight any of the posts.
On January 23 2014 07:11 Foolishness wrote:
sandroba is not a good lynch when Promethelax and HolyFlare are still alive.
On January 23 2014 07:52 Foolishness wrote:
Should just do the Promethelax lynch cause that's a lynch for mafia.
Sandroba is still iffy
Again, where are the compelling key points that show Prom is mafia?
On January 23 2014 07:54 Foolishness wrote:
Perhaps I'm just that sure on Promethelax, and in these situations my reads get messed up in my head because of all the pressure. So I default to my strongest read before going on crazy goose chases.
Take a look at Foolishness's original case. Now pretend you're Foolishness. After reading those statements, do you think it's likely that a town Foolishness is as confident as he is based on those points?
I don't.
Now lets look at his actions this cycle. I feel the vote analysis can be made by a player of either alignment. There isn't any part of this that makes you think he has to be town aligned.
In the end, vote analysis is going to be trumped by scum hunting, so here is what we get today:
On January 24 2014 04:52 Foolishness wrote:
What is disturbing about this is his wishy-washy behavior about me. He says he doesn't agree with my case on Promethelax, and that's fine in itself, and he also says he wants to "lynch me less". Then before voting for me says that my answers were "good enough" and that they "fit for a lack of a better term", and that it's my "early play that doesn't make sense to me". If my answers are fitting and good enough why are you voting for me? Just cause you don't agree with me on a person being mafia does not make me mafia. I was actually really surprised when he dropped his vote on me, who tells someone that they have good answers but they are still lynching them?
What is also interesting is that he's entirely sheeping a read and admitting to it. Admitting to sheeping a read does not exempt you from sheeping a read. Does it seem like he has his own opinion on the matter? Does it seem like he has an idea of who to vote for? No. Look through his posts, he never really accuses anyone, and never says that he thinks person X would be a good lynch (as I said above, he never said that directly about me either). He dances around a lot of people, myself, marvellosity, Promethelax, etc.
Sure, he threw his vote down and knew he wasn't going to be here before the deadline, and there is nothing wrong with that. The problem is that he had no opinion on who should be lynched before the vote. Also his vote started a landslide, since there were already 2 votes on me, and at the time the next closest persons had 1 vote. This is a critical vote because it started the pile up on me, and when people came back and saw this they started piling on (even though those people piling on are likely town cause they all jumped ship to sandroba).
There are essentially three points he is making here. The third point isn't a reason why Wave is scum, it's a summery of game events. His first and second point don't address what differentiates a town Wave with a lack of confidence from a mafia player who is pushing a mafia agenda. That's the most important part, yet instead he goes with the generic case that could be used in just about any game.
Again, lets look at the followup to his preferred lynch target:
On January 24 2014 11:26 Foolishness wrote:
WoS or VE today.
##Vote: WaveOfShadow
Where is the aggressive tone or the powerful analysis that we should expect? I may have suggested that gonzaw's meta analysis cannot be applied to the first 3 posts of the game, but it certainly can be applied now.
Rather that contributing the the scum hunting effort with he latest most. He gives us more vote analysis to argue that Prom is town.
As Foolishness likes to say, WHO CARES?
Finally, lets look at his final argument:
On January 24 2014 05:07 Foolishness wrote:
From what we know of day 1 if the four of you die then the town wins.
On January 25 2014 09:35 Foolishness wrote:
Town wins if WaveOfShadow, VisceraEyes, Kitaman, and Toad all die.
This does absolutely no good for us today. He lists four different players and suggest that we kill one. In fact, he has called VE and myself obvious town, he still thinks I'm town, he hasn't provided a strong analysis on VE who he thought was obvious town, and hasn't mentioned toad. As a town player, I'd always watching for the player that is getting overlooked. He shows absolutely no signs of this.
Instead of scum hunting we get, meh "VE or Wave" toodles!
I did comment that I don't know who the third mafia would be. However, it's not clear who the third mafia is with any lynch target. I don't feel it's impossible for him to be paired with VE, WoS, Toad, or even austin.
Players that go against him are "incredibly paranoid", pushing a "conspiracy", about to "lose the game for town" or are going to be "humiliated" afterwards. That's just a way to bully someone into looking elsewhere.
Foolishness is mafia
##Vote Foolishness
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
Probably looking at VE next.
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On January 25 2014 10:29 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 10:06 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba? As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town. I win games. Silly question then in regards to your last post: Which two of the four of us are scum? And 'it doesn't matter' doesn't cut it because there is no way in hell the rest of the players in this game will simply follow your instructions and lynch those 4 without considering all options. That's not a silly question. I believe it is you and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE. Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time). And what makes me the most likely scum candidate over someone like VE or Toad? What have I done in this game to deserve the 'Most objectively scummy award?' And you know, as an aside something gonzaw mentioned really strikes home with me here. You keep pushing the lynch on four of us---if Toad is scum as I surmise, then you win simply because you mislynch the other three, and you hope to gain the sweet lovely towncred you crave. Even IF I somehow go down today (which isn't happening), immediately upon my flip the thread realizes something is up and your 'lynch 4 and win' plan never comes to fruition.
Me explaining why you are mafia and should be lynched:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=53#1056
What I said about VE on day 1 still applies:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=23#447
But as I said I would be fine lynching either of you.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=63#1246
Now that I gave you indisputable evidence that Promethelax is town (regardless of what you think I am) who is your mafia team?
As a side note, for the list of reasons I want to lynch you we can also add "diverting the town with strange conspiracy theories about what happened on the day 1 lynch".
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Foolishness
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Wait, how is it bullying someone into looking elsewhere when it's the truth?
That's like saying someone who says, "there's no way the government would plan the attack on 9/11", is bullying you into becoming a slave to society.
But also, your analysis fails to comment upon the numerous vote information I brought to the thread during the night (all made before your post keep in mind), the clear evidence that Promethelax is town, the mindset the mafia had during day 1 and the first lynch, and an outline of a plan for the town to win the game based on the lynch, votes and interactions.
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On January 25 2014 10:49 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2014 10:29 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 10:15 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:On January 25 2014 10:06 Foolishness wrote:On January 25 2014 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:I think it is even more apparent through the entirety of day 1 as a whole. Where is my mafia team to save me? Are they just afk (we all know mafia games on TL are never that easy)? The only one trying to deflect votes off of me was me. Sure, kitaman and austin both said I was town, but there was never a hard push. It seemed like their attitude was, "yeah Foolishness is town I'm sure, but I got nothing better to propose". Kitaman's push on Promethelax was mediocre at best (in terms of aggressiveness, not content). I was 100% on my own for all of day 1. I see absolutely zero reason why this section of your post is relevant, and I've said it multiple times before. I don't ever see mafia members actively trying to push lynches off their scumbuddies. However if you actually do think this way, maybe it explains why you as scum were trying to save sandroba? As I said above, if you and kitaman want to run down the conspiracy theory hole even after there's a boatload of evidence proving my innocence and very little evidence proving yours (and VE's, and Toad's, and Kitaman's) then that's cool when you lose the game for the town. I win games. Silly question then in regards to your last post: Which two of the four of us are scum? And 'it doesn't matter' doesn't cut it because there is no way in hell the rest of the players in this game will simply follow your instructions and lynch those 4 without considering all options. That's not a silly question. I believe it is you and Toad. Though I go back and forth on whether it's Toad or VE. Kitaman went after sandroba a lot on day 1. He called him out early, voted on him (twice) and pushed his case. I don't see him doing that to his own scumbuddy (moreso since sandroba was inactive so his case just kept looking better over time). And what makes me the most likely scum candidate over someone like VE or Toad? What have I done in this game to deserve the 'Most objectively scummy award?' And you know, as an aside something gonzaw mentioned really strikes home with me here. You keep pushing the lynch on four of us---if Toad is scum as I surmise, then you win simply because you mislynch the other three, and you hope to gain the sweet lovely towncred you crave. Even IF I somehow go down today (which isn't happening), immediately upon my flip the thread realizes something is up and your 'lynch 4 and win' plan never comes to fruition. Me explaining why you are mafia and should be lynched: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=53#1056What I said about VE on day 1 still applies: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=23#447But as I said I would be fine lynching either of you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=439137¤tpage=63#1246Now that I gave you indisputable evidence that Promethelax is town (regardless of what you think I am) who is your mafia team? As a side note, for the list of reasons I want to lynch you we can also add "diverting the town with strange conspiracy theories about what happened on the day 1 lynch".
Best of luck with that. I'm not getting lynched today, and certainly not for the reasons you have posted,as I have already explained why they're shit. And hey look, kita just did too!
Like really? Diverting the town? Sure let's ignore everything else I've done all day. My scumteam atm is you and Toad and has been since earlier today; if you read me you should know that.
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On January 25 2014 10:54 Foolishness wrote:
Wait, how is it bullying someone into looking elsewhere when it's the truth?
That's like saying someone who says, "there's no way the government would plan the attack on 9/11", is bullying you into becoming a slave to society.
But also, your analysis fails to comment upon the numerous vote information I brought to the thread during the night (all made before your post keep in mind), the clear evidence that Promethelax is town, the mindset the mafia had during day 1 and the first lynch, and an outline of a plan for the town to win the game based on the lynch, votes and interactions.
I brought vote information to the thread too, you simply don't agree with it.
Offering clear evidence that Prome is town doesn't catch us scum.
Your outline to 'win the game' as has been said multiple times by multiple people doesn't necessarily win anything at all, and anyone with a basic idea of what's going on in this thread should know that, including you. We don't just 'assume you're town.'
You want confidence instead of wishy-washy? Here it is. Vote Foolishness. He should have been lynched yesterday and i am confident now my vote was in the right place even though it wasn't originally directed there myself.
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kitaman27
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On January 25 2014 10:54 Foolishness wrote:
Wait, how is it bullying someone into looking elsewhere when it's the truth?
That's the point you decide to cherry pick?
On January 25 2014 10:54 Foolishness wrote:
But also, your analysis fails to comment upon the numerous vote information I brought to the thread during the night (all made before your post keep in mind), the clear evidence that Promethelax is town, the mindset the mafia had during day 1 and the first lynch, and an outline of a plan for the town to win the game based on the lynch, votes and interactions.
Your vote analysis isn't equivalent to scum hunting. You decide to spend your time informing the thread that Prom is town. I'm pretty sure I think prom is town, gonzaw thinks prom is town, marv thinks Prom is town, austin thinks Prom is town. What value is there in that? Instead, you've failed to provide a compelling case, aside from process of elimination.
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